Protesters who chant I can't breath are lying.

Protesters who chant I can't breath are lying.

Garner had been previously arrested and was out on bail for selling untaxed cigarettes, driving without a license, marijuana possession, and false impersonation. Garner had a criminal record that includes more than 30 arrests dating back to 1980 on charges such as assault, resisting arrest, and grand larceny. An official said the charges include multiple incidents in which he was arrested for selling unlicensed cigarettes.[26][27][28]
Source - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Eric_Garner<BR>
Kelly Thomas was born April 5, 1974, to Ron Thomas, a former Orange County Sheriff's deputy,[14] and Cathy Thomas.[15] Thomas, who was diagnosed with schizophrenia, was a "fixture" among Fullerton's homeless population.[16] The death of Thomas has sparked debate about systemic reforms in treatment of the mentally ill.[17]

Between 1990 and 2011, Thomas had 92 encounters with the police. These encounters ranged from minor infractions such as trespassing to a guilty plea in an assault with a deadly weapon case sixteen years prior.[18][19]

Source - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Kelly_Thomas<BR>
Child Abuse, PTSD (trauma), Alcohol and Drug Abuse

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/06/060614120625.htm<BR>

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/profile-an-icon-anxious-and-shy-rodney-king--as-he-awaits-a-new-trial-of-the-police-who-beat-him-rodney-king-has-become-a-hero-a-demon-and-a-gold-mine-phil-reeves-reports-1474406.html<BR>


A gunman demanding to see Stacey C. Koon, the former Los Angeles police sergeant convicted in the Rodney G. King beating, burst into Mr. Koon's halfway house here today and killed a hostage before being shot to death by sheriff's deputies, the authorities said.

The man, Randall Craig Tolbert, 34, of Rubidoux, wounded two people in the halfway house where Mr. Koon lives, in this unincorporated area of Riverside County, before calling the authorities and several television stations to say he would kill hostages if Mr. Koon did not return.

Mr. Koon, a white officer convicted of violating the civil rights of Mr. King in a racially charged beating, was away visiting his family at the time, said his lawyer, Ira Salzman.

Mr. Tolbert, who is black, fired a shot at a 33-year-old unidentified resident, grazing his head, and struck the man's friend, Maria Artalejo, 48, with his pistol, officials said. Both escaped through a back door.

http://www.nytimes.com/1995/11/24/us/gunman-seeking-convicted-ex-officer-is-slain.html<BR>

http://articles.latimes.com/1995-11-24/news/mn-6703_1_halfway-house

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Posted by MrFirebird
Garner had been previously arrested and was out on bail for selling untaxed cigarettes, driving without a license, marijuana possession, and false impersonation. Garner had a criminal record that includes more than 30 arrests dating back to 1980 on charges such as assault, resisting arrest, and grand larceny. An official said the charges include multiple incidents in which he was arrested for selling unlicensed cigarettes.[26][27][28]
Source - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Eric_Garner<BR>

Let's start here MrBird:

The protesters you speak of, the ones that have been crusading through the streets of our cities, are not protesting because they refuse to believe Eric Gardner was not a criminal. Even is own wife confirmed his past, and said she wished he had chosen a different route. The protesters are not lying about this mans past. It's there for all to see.

What they are protesting, is that a man lost his life due to the misconduct of a police officer(s). And that officer was not held accountable of his/her actions.

This man was not being illegally detained because he was selling cigarettes on the sidewalk. He was detained and falsely arrested because of his past. A past that he had already served his punishment for, or was in the process of court proceedings that would determine guilt, or lack there of.

This mans life was taken away, because someone not minding their own business (literally, and figuratively). They called the police in an attempt to remove a public nuisance, via threat to their constitutional rights.

Eric Gardner was not found with anything on his persons even resembling the likes of a cigarette. He was wrongfully accused of committing a crime, by an anonymous citizen (who may or may not had ill intent), and law enforcement illegally detained and falsely attempted to arrest an innocent man on the street.

Past crimes are not an arrestable offense. An anonymous tip from a concerned citizen is not an arrestable offense.

The smear campaigns are getting old. Have more respect for the dead and their families. Try putting yourself in the shoes of those families.

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This thread is about the protesters, NOT Garner.
Ironically, the nonsense could easily be repackaged as a anti

This thread is about the protesters, NOT Garner.
Ironically, the nonsense could easily be repackaged as a anti-smoking protest campaign.
After all, the Surgeon General has determined that smoking can be hazardous to your health.
Resisting arrest can be hazardous, too.

It's not about civil rights. It's about using common sense.
When people toy with the law, they risk getting themselves hurt.

Not until people start respecting the law, will they be left alone.
So far as the dead are concerned, Brown, Garner, Martin, Thomas, King, Bonnie and Clyde and all the rest..., they made their choices and they are quite dead. It's the living who are too damned
stupid to not learn from the dumb mistakes of others that could have kept them out of trouble.
There is no shortage of stupid people and no shortage of graves waiting for them.
No amount of protesting, whining, moaning and groaning will deter the inevitable that awaits.

Read the title. Notice, my original post is blank.

Garner's death is Garner's fault. He made a STUPID choice.

The protesters are marching in the name of Stupidity.
When they say "I Can't Breathe", they are lying. Why? Because
if they couldn't breathe, they'd drop dead of asphyxiation.

The Constitution? The reality is these people are relying on
the white man to dictate the laws that govern their lives.
They vote for people who don't even know them. That don't make
much sense to me.

You're free to do whatever you want, but you're enslaved to the
consequential accountability for whatever you do.
First freedom, then chaos, then tyranny.

You say it's about the protesters & not Eric Garner but you talk extensively about his record, which has nothing to do with what we saw on film. Btw, selling loosies is a ticketable but not arrestable offense. Therefore, they had no legal right to approach him like that. Those of us who are taking the streets to protest the non-indictment realize this is also about racial profiling, police brutality and complete exoneration from their abuses of power, and institutional racism. Factoid to illustrate. More whites than blacks use drugs but blacks are 4 times more likely to be arrested for it. The cops abused their power. They were using an ILLEGAL chokehold and people like you still defend them.

"If you sell an illegal cigarette, you can lose your life. If you sell an illegal mortgage, you get a bonus." Chris Rock.

Ethan Couch, the 16 year old white youth from Texas killed 4 people in a drunk driving accident, defended himself as suffering from "affluezna" and spent no time in jail for taking the lives of 4 people. But we're more concerned about a poor black man selling a loosie and not acting like a prostate sheep before cops who had no legal right to approach him like that. And over a loosie!

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"If you sell an illegal cigarette, you can lose your life. If you sell an illegal mortgage, you get a bonus." Chris Rock

Now that I agree with. Jon Corzine, former Senator from and Governor of New Joisey, and money raiser for Democrats, walks a free man after 1.6 billion of client money disappeared at MF Global.

Those are the people the public should be focusing on.

As for the protesters, their chant should be "I can't think'.

Posted by CancerOnTheCusp

Posted by Este8

"If you sell an illegal cigarette, you can lose your life. If you sell an illegal mortgage, you get a bonus." Chris Rock

As for the protesters, their chant should be "I can't think'.

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Why is it that the people who exercise their 1st amendment rights to call out a social injustice are the ones who can't think? If you ask me, the ones who live on the coach, watch Fox News and eat junk food watching sports they'll never be able to play are the ones who can't think.

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Posted by CancerOnTheCusp

Posted by Este8

"If you sell an illegal cigarette, you can lose your life. If you sell an illegal mortgage, you get a bonus." Chris Rock

As for the protesters, their chant should be "I can't think'.

Why is it that the people who exercise their 1st amendment rights to call out a social injustice are the ones who can't think?

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They can exercise their 1st amendment rights all they like, but I see them and the rioters being about as effective as those who live their life on the couch.
The bit that kills me are the college students who managed to parlay attending the protest into putting off finalexams, but I'm sure that's just a misunderstanding on my part.

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Posted by Este8

"If you sell an illegal cigarette, you can lose your life. If you sell an illegal mortgage, you get a bonus." Chris Rock

As for the protesters, their chant should be "I can't think'.

Why is it that the people who exercise their 1st amendment rights to call out a social injustice are the ones who can't think?

They can exercise their 1st amendment rights all they like, but I see them and the rioters being about as effective as those who live their life on the couch.
The bit that kills me are the college students who managed to parlay attending the protest into putting off finalexams, but I'm sure that's just a misunderstanding on my part.

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It took people taking to the streets, and it got messy at times, for us to fight for and win women's rights and civil rights. There were many gains made in the 60s and yet our government and institutions have chipped away at those rights since then. One way we see this play out is the mass incarceration of black men. And this is due to our BS "war on drugs." Most people of color are in for drug offenses and as noted before people of color are FAR more likely to get arrested/convicted than their white counterparts. We criminalize addiction. Throw people in jail and treat them like shit and then they can't get a decent job b/c they have a record. Why bother jailing people if you're going to hold it against them for the rest of their lives?

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Posted by Este8
You say it's about the protesters & not Eric Garner but you talk extensively about his record, which has nothing to do with what we saw on film. Btw, selling loosies is a ticketable but not arrestable offense. Therefore, they had no legal right to approach him like that.

Depending on the amount, it actually is, and yes, they did.

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/nycode/TAX/37/3/1814<BR>
He was arrested for the same thing before, aside from other offenses.

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You know nothing about life in America but what you see on TV. Go watch some hockey and drink cheap beer. This isn't your fight. Stay out of our politics.

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Posted by Este8

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Posted by Este8
You say it's about the protesters & not Eric Garner but you talk extensively about his record, which has nothing to do with what we saw on film. Btw, selling loosies is a ticketable but not arrestable offense. Therefore, they had no legal right to approach him like that.

Depending on the amount, it actually is, and yes, they did.

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/nycode/TAX/37/3/1814<BR>
He was arrested for the same thing before, aside from other offenses.

You know nothing about life in America but what you see on TV. Go watch some hockey and drink cheap beer. This isn't your fight. Stay out of our politics.

My concern was purely with the point that I quoted, nothing more.

And just in general, if someone keeps getting busted for the same crime, time and again, then they should probably stop doing that. He kept doing it and was arrested for it on a number of occasions.

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His criminal record is beside the point and to bring it up is to defend cops choking him the fuck out and using an ILLEGAL choke hold. And all this over small fry. He did his crimes and paid the time. But again, this isn't your fight and I'm not wasting any more time on a person who knows nothing about life in the inner cities and how our legal system really works, Buttinski.

His criminal record - notably his pasts arrests for the same crime - addresses the issue of whether police "rightfully" approached him, which you think they didn't, when they actually did. That was the first point of clarification.

He did his crimes and paid the time...

but he kept doing the crimes. That's kind of a big problem.

The second point of clarification is that while I agree completely that the chokehold was indeed illegal and that the jury erred (though I have no idea what material they considered and made their ruling on), Garner could have avoided all this by:

a) not continuing to commit the crimes for which he kept getting busted, and

b) not resisting arrest.

There are several points of responsibility in these situations, ranging from the individual citizen (i.e., the subject of police attention in this case) to the police officers involved. In every case, bar none, the first instance of responsibility rests with the individual and how they choose to conduct themselves, moment to moment, no matter any other considerations. Had Garner simply not resisted arrest (which he should not have resisted in the first place) he'd be alive today to make the arguments (in general) that you are making, such that they are.

The first big crossroads during these encounters usually has to do with Common Sense. While Garner was being choked, common sense was already dead, unfortunately.



AGAIN, YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT LIFE OVER HERE. MIND YOUR OWN FUCKING BIZ.

im not a protester, just a poster, and this thread is helping me breathe real good

*YAWNS*