Tipping culture

Needs to die lol please

Why? I love tipping my local businesses. I give a 25% tip every time, and my food is always 100% extra. Like you don't realize it, but give a local business a 25% tip every single time and see how much extra they throw in over time.

I'm speaking for the US.

Posted by Stony
You gotta get people to stop fighting against their own interests first

What do you mean by that?

Posted by Soul
Why? I love tipping my local businesses. I give a 25% tip every time, and my food is always 100% extra. Like you don't realize it, but give a local business a 25% tip every single time and see how much extra they throw in over time.


I'm speaking for the US.

It's gotten to the point where servers/similar type employees feel entitled to getting a tip even if they don't go out of their way for their guests. They get handed tips for just doing their job, and if they don't get tipped, they raise a fuss towards the guest who didn't tip them because they put the responsibility on the customers to pay them a living wage instead of complaining to their employer about it or just applying for a different job that pays better.

I learned that in some countries tipping is expected to improve on a low loan. In Scandinavia the situation is different: local law ensures that, as a rule, waiters and waitresses, for instance, are paid well. That is particularly true in Iceland and Norway, but also applies to Denmark, Sweden and Finland. Therefore, the expectation for tipping in the Nordic Countries does not exist.

Guests aren't responsible for these workers' wages. Their employees are. It's ridiculous that servers/hosts/whatever get pissed off at their guests if they don't leave a tip, especially if the service wasn't anything special.

I went out for dinner last night and while the food being subpar and overly expensive wasn't the server's fault, she wasn't welcoming to my partner and me and didn't even stop by our table to ask us how our food was. I get that the restaurant was busy but if you're only going to do the bare minimum for your job, don't expect a tip. The entitlement is annoying. And yes, I get that food service workers get a lot of shit from customers but that doesn't mean that customers are responsible for helping subsidize their pay. What if the customer can't afford to tip? That doesn't mean they shouldn't go out to eat at all; they have every right to do what they want with their money. If a server were to go out of their way to make my experience enjoyable, then yeah I might leave a tip. But that's going out of your way, which no one does anymore because they know they don't have to do shit and they get tips anyways. Restaurants should just include a service charge or raise the prices of their food if they're so concerned about overhead and upkeep costs. I hate having to go to the kiosk and pick how much tip to give while my server is staring at me lolol and it's the chefs who I'd tip anyway because they're the ones who actually make the food. Why are we tipping the servers when their only responsibility with the food is to put it on the table?

Also why are we starting to have to tip delivery drivers before they even do their job we're tipping them for? There's already a delivery fee, and the driver isn't even responsible for making or packing the food. Jfc

We don't tip the plumber who fixes the piping in our living spaces, we don't tip the mailman who walks in all sorts of weather to deliver our mail, we don't tip the garbage man for taking our garbage out, etc. So why do we have to tip servers when they don't even make our food??

Posted by StubbornSagittarius
It doesn't even exist where I live. I always found it stupid. People need to be paid by their employers properly. Otherwise it would hsve to include every possible service kind of job to be tipped as well...which is ridiculous. Sometimes we leave small tips and that's it. Everyone does it like that. I used to be a waitress while I was in college and tips would depend on the place I worked at. Highest would be in a club ofc and no tips at all in a company Café. Sure tipping is nice but it shouldn't be considered as an obligation or s rule

Are you in Europe?? I remember when I was in London (and probably in Germany too) I tipped once and the waitress was kind of disgusted with me and then I realized it's because it's almost insulting to tip servers over there since they already get paid well enough for their work. I wish the US was like this. I hate it here lolol

People thinking convenience is owed to them needs to die. Tips are essential for workers and I was really sad to hear my local Starbucks doesn’t get tipped well—and their drive thru is usually PACKED. It’s like these lazy people can’t be bothered to walk ten steps inside, and they don’t think “hey this is convenient! Maybe I should show my appreciation!” Sure, if service workers got paid more, they wouldn’t have to rely on tips. But that’s not the case.

If I misunderstood what Tipping Culture, I apologize. Cows are safe lol.

Tipping culture originated shortly after slavery. Restaurant owners refused to pay black-people after the Emancipation so tipping was created to support wages.

Once Corporate businesses took over, they fell in love with this business model and began withholding wages from all servers or people in the hospitality field. Regardless, if you're working in fine dining and come out ahead with tipping, overall it is exploitation of labor. Especially in circumstances where there's a tipping pool.

I'm sure tipping has existed in some other form in history, but it's rooted in racism in the United States.

Posted by AbbyNormal
People thinking convenience is owed to them needs to die. Tips are essential for workers and I was really sad to hear my local Starbucks doesn’t get tipped well—and their drive thru is usually PACKED. It’s like these lazy people can’t be bothered to walk ten steps inside, and they don’t think “hey this is convenient! Maybe I should show my appreciation!” Sure, if service workers got paid more, they wouldn’t have to rely on tips. But that’s not the case.


If I misunderstood what Tipping Culture, I apologize. Cows are safe lol.

Starbucks is a good example of when I don't tip, and find it annoying that its being asked of me. I'm doing all the service work, (even if I don't order on the app) I walk up to you, tell you my order, and walk back up to get my order. There is no additional service beyond what the establishment is providing, If I went to McDonald's I wouldn't tip either.

Now, if you come to me, take my order, explain the menu, give me recommendations, insure I have all the utensils and accompanied condiments for my meal, keep my drink filled, and close out my check. 20% + every time. That's what I tip for.

I agree with you. It isn't customer's responsible to pay the waiter's wages. Tipping should be optional.

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Posted by AbbyNormal
People thinking convenience is owed to them needs to die. Tips are essential for workers and I was really sad to hear my local Starbucks doesn’t get tipped well—and their drive thru is usually PACKED. It’s like these lazy people can’t be bothered to walk ten steps inside, and they don’t think “hey this is convenient! Maybe I should show my appreciation!” Sure, if service workers got paid more, they wouldn’t have to rely on tips. But that’s not the case.

If I misunderstood what Tipping Culture, I apologize. Cows are safe lol.

Starbucks is a good example of when I don't tip, and find it annoying that its being asked of me. I'm doing all the service work, (even if I don't order on the app) I walk up to you, tell you my order, and walk back up to get my order. There is no additional service beyond what the establishment is providing, If I went to McDonald's I wouldn't tip either.


Now, if you come to me, take my order, explain the menu, give me recommendations, insure I have all the utensils and accompanied condiments for my meal, keep my drink filled, and close out my check. 20% + every time. That's what I tip for.

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Wow, as someone who worked for Starbucks and other service jobs, that is the problem—It’s the entitlement. The fact you don’t think that someone had to make that coffee for you. Even if it’s just grinding the beans and pushing the button for it to brew—you didn’t have to. I got there at 4am to open—did you have to wake up early to make yourself coffee? No, you just walked up there. I know I had my regulars drinks memorized so the time they were paying, I had their drink ready. It’s not the workers fault the company doesn’t pay them more or keeps jacking up prices to the consumer, but instead of helping the workers you’re choosing to help the company. If you even tipped them a quarter, it would mean a lot in the end. But you’ll shill out $ 5 for their coffee?! Bye.

meh i tip at least 30% coz i feel people at service work don't make enough which i suppose is the real issue

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Posted by AbbyNormal
People thinking convenience is owed to them needs to die. Tips are essential for workers and I was really sad to hear my local Starbucks doesn’t get tipped well—and their drive thru is usually PACKED. It’s like these lazy people can’t be bothered to walk ten steps inside, and they don’t think “hey this is convenient! Maybe I should show my appreciation!” Sure, if service workers got paid more, they wouldn’t have to rely on tips. But that’s not the case.

If I misunderstood what Tipping Culture, I apologize. Cows are safe lol.

Starbucks is a good example of when I don't tip, and find it annoying that its being asked of me. I'm doing all the service work, (even if I don't order on the app) I walk up to you, tell you my order, and walk back up to get my order. There is no additional service beyond what the establishment is providing, If I went to McDonald's I wouldn't tip either.


Now, if you come to me, take my order, explain the menu, give me recommendations, insure I have all the utensils and accompanied condiments for my meal, keep my drink filled, and close out my check. 20% + every time. That's what I tip for.

Wow, as someone who worked for Starbucks and other service jobs, you are the problem. It’s the entitlement. The fact you don’t think that someone had to make that coffee for you. Even if it’s just grinding the beans and pushing the button for it to brew—you didn’t have to. I got there at 4am to open—did you have to wake up early to make yourself coffee? No, you just walked up there. I know I had my regulars drinks memorized so the time they were paying, I had their drink ready. It’s not the workers fault the company doesn’t pay them more or keeps jacking up prices to the consumer, but instead of helping the workers you’re choosing to help the company. If you even tipped them a quarter, it would mean a lot in the end. But you’ll shill out $ 5 for their coffee?! Bye.

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I don't mean any disrespect to you or anyone else who works at a coffee shop. But why does the person working at a coffee shop deserve a tip and the person working at McDonnalds not?

You're putting the blame for your dissatisfaction on me the customer and not the company. the Legacy of tipping in America goes back to the Civil War when slaves were freed, and employers didn't want to pay Black People a fair wage.

If I paid 5 $ for a coffee, I've paid enough to cover the employee's wage to make that coffee. I'm paying a more than fair price, But I'm to blame?

Posted by AbbyNormal

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Posted by AbbyNormal
People thinking convenience is owed to them needs to die. Tips are essential for workers and I was really sad to hear my local Starbucks doesn’t get tipped well—and their drive thru is usually PACKED. It’s like these lazy people can’t be bothered to walk ten steps inside, and they don’t think “hey this is convenient! Maybe I should show my appreciation!” Sure, if service workers got paid more, they wouldn’t have to rely on tips. But that’s not the case.

If I misunderstood what Tipping Culture, I apologize. Cows are safe lol.

Starbucks is a good example of when I don't tip, and find it annoying that its being asked of me. I'm doing all the service work, (even if I don't order on the app) I walk up to you, tell you my order, and walk back up to get my order. There is no additional service beyond what the establishment is providing, If I went to McDonald's I wouldn't tip either.

Now, if you come to me, take my order, explain the menu, give me recommendations, insure I have all the utensils and accompanied condiments for my meal, keep my drink filled, and close out my check. 20% + every time. That's what I tip for.
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Wow, as someone who worked for Starbucks and other service jobs, that is the problem—It’s the entitlement. The fact you don’t think that someone had to make that coffee for you. Even if it’s just grinding the beans and pushing the button for it to brew—you didn’t have to. I got there at 4am to open—did you have to wake up early to make yourself coffee? No, you just walked up there. I know I had my regulars drinks memorized so the time they were paying, I had their drink ready. It’s not the workers fault the company doesn’t pay them more or keeps jacking up prices to the consumer, but instead of helping the workers you’re choosing to help the company. If you even tipped them a quarter, it would mean a lot in the end. But you’ll shill out $ 5 for their coffee?! Bye.

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I think we're confusing duty with exceptional service. You're not obligated to tip someone based on showing up to work and preparing someone's coffee, which may or may not be in the correct format. Tipping pools shed light on this. You're busting your ass to make sure customers are happy, and someone else could careless, yet the tips are distributed evenly.

Good service is going beyond your minimum requirement to sustain the job. It's effectively communicating with the customer to ensure their needs are met.

Could someone wake up early to make their own coffee? Sure.. but accessibility is the issue here. They don't have to. Now, a transaction happens to where someone else makes it. You pay the company and then the company pays the person. How much this is, is where we get into the gray area. I'd also like to add in, you're not obligated to work at Starbucks. It's optional, but you feel if someone does, they need a tip. Every member at Starbucks is not providing exceptional service. It's impossible.

The root of this issue is centered in greed, exploitation and apathy.

Posted by LuckyLibra7
Tipping culture originated shortly after slavery. Restaurant owners refused to pay black-people after the Emancipation so tipping was created to support wages.


Once Corporate businesses took over, they fell in love with this business model and began withholding wages from all servers or people in the hospitality field. Regardless, if you're working in fine dining and come out ahead with tipping, overall it is exploitation of labor. Especially in circumstances where there's a tipping pool.


I'm sure tipping has existed in some other form in history, but it's rooted in racism in the United States.

That's literally what my Gem told me yesterday, yeah.

Posted by TXCowboy
I always tip well, my brother used to work in the restaurant business. Good service, bad service - I still toss down 15 - 25% .

And you have every right to tip as you do.

Posted by ATGR
In the UK it’s pretty much restaurant staff, hairdressers and food delivery drivers that get tips (I don’t tip delivery drivers).


In restaurants 10% is the norm. There’s a minimum wage here of £10.42/hour ( $ 13) so the staff are getting paid something at least. I understand some states have no minimum wage so I can see why the staff would be annoyed at no tip if they’re on $ 3/hour or something.

Oh I was in the UK when I tipped and got this weird look from my server for tipping her.. hm.

And we have a minimum wage here, but like I said earlier, it's not the customer's responsibility to subsidize that in any way lol

I came across this in script for an audition and I found it pertinent to our conversation here:

“If you eat in a restaurant in the US, you're expected to tip. It's just the right thing to do.

But what if I told you that tipping has a racist past? And it’s not just because black waiters get

smaller tips than their white co-workers, or that the tipped minimum wage just makes the poor

poorer. It’s that the custom of tipping in America was racist from the very beginning, and it goes

all the way back to slavery. Tipping started among European aristocrats in the 17th century. Rich

Americans adopted the practice in the mid-1800s, and it spread throughout the country after the

Civil War. Here's why: According to research by activist Saru Jayaraman, newly freed slaves

were flocking to major cities to find work. But they were only hired for jobs that were considered

“unskilled,” mostly in restaurants. Racist restaurant owners embraced tipping as a way to hire

freed slaves without actually having to pay them any wages. And customers were down with this

new practice because they believed it was natural to tip their “inferiors.” Racism and classism

run deep.

By the late 1880s, black workers accounted for nearly half of the hospitality industry.

Then in the ‘20s, restaurants that were losing money because of Prohibition laws encouraged

tipping, making it even more popular. Over time, tipping became the norm. And thanks to the

powerful lobbying of the restaurant industry in 1938, Congress passed America's first

minimum-wage law, allowing states to set a lower wage for tipped workers. In 1996, the

then-head of the National Restaurant Association Herman Cain convinced a Republican-led

Congress to set a two-tiered wage system for tipped and non-tipped workers. The tipped

minimum wage was set at $ 2.13 per hour. Today in 17 states, the legal minimum wage for

tipped workers? Still only $ 2.13 per hour. A century later, the inherent racism of tipping persists.

Non-white restaurant workers take home 56% less than their white peers. And now, there's a

new demographic that's suffering: women. According to Jayaraman, almost 66% of the 6 million

tipped workers in America are women. Europe, where this whole thing began, has long moved

past tipping to pay restaurant workers a full wage. So maybe it's time for America to change its

tipping culture too.”

I think we are basically trying to say the same thing—the system needs to change. I’m really excited for these younger people going into to government and hopeful that they can make some of these changes. It’s not enough to bitch about it, you have to do something. So, what do you do?? Do you write your city or state law makers? How do you help influence change like this? Bc I’m all down for ending tipping culture if that means that service workers get paid more.

Posted by AbbyNormal
I came across this in script for an audition and I found it pertinent to our conversation here:


“If you eat in a restaurant in the US, you're expected to tip. It's just the right thing to do.


But what if I told you that tipping has a racist past? And it’s not just because black waiters get


smaller tips than their white co-workers, or that the tipped minimum wage just makes the poor


poorer. It’s that the custom of tipping in America was racist from the very beginning, and it goes


all the way back to slavery. Tipping started among European aristocrats in the 17th century. Rich


Americans adopted the practice in the mid-1800s, and it spread throughout the country after the


Civil War. Here's why: According to research by activist Saru Jayaraman, newly freed slaves


were flocking to major cities to find work. But they were only hired for jobs that were considered


“unskilled,” mostly in restaurants. Racist restaurant owners embraced tipping as a way to hire


freed slaves without actually having to pay them any wages. And customers were down with this


new practice because they believed it was natural to tip their “inferiors.” Racism and classism


run deep.


By the late 1880s, black workers accounted for nearly half of the hospitality industry.


Then in the ‘20s, restaurants that were losing money because of Prohibition laws encouraged


tipping, making it even more popular. Over time, tipping became the norm. And thanks to the


powerful lobbying of the restaurant industry in 1938, Congress passed America's first


minimum-wage law, allowing states to set a lower wage for tipped workers. In 1996, the


then-head of the National Restaurant Association Herman Cain convinced a Republican-led


Congress to set a two-tiered wage system for tipped and non-tipped workers. The tipped


minimum wage was set at $ 2.13 per hour. Today in 17 states, the legal minimum wage for


tipped workers? Still only $ 2.13 per hour. A century later, the inherent racism of tipping persists.


Non-white restaurant workers take home 56% less than their white peers. And now, there's a


new demographic that's suffering: women. According to Jayaraman, almost 66% of the 6 million


tipped workers in America are women. Europe, where this whole thing began, has long moved


past tipping to pay restaurant workers a full wage. So maybe it's time for America to change its


tipping culture too.”


I think we are basically trying to say the same thing—the system needs to change. I’m really excited for these younger people going into to government and hopeful that they can make some of these changes. It’s not enough to bitch about it, you have to do something. So, what do you do?? Do you write your city or state law makers? How do you help influence change like this? Bc I’m all down for ending tipping culture if that means that service workers get paid more.

Oh I'm all for service workers getting paid more - they definitely should be paid a living wage so that they don't have to rely on tips in order to survive, and that consequentially would also get rid of the burden on customers to pay extra out of their wallets.