What's your gripe with

Religion—

Atheist: Religious people are always telling others about their religion & pushing it onto others.

Me: When you believe in something, you're SUPPOSED to rep it to the world. You're supposed to tell others about it. You're supposed to talk about. You're supposed to want to engage mostly with those who believe in the same things you do. When you truly believe in being kind, loving others & not causing harm to others, are you supposed to suddenly STOP believing in your pre-set moral code all b/c you may have made a few mistakes & been a hypocrite before?! Should you suddenly stop trying to achieve something b/c you've failed or made plenty of mistakes along the way??

When you passionately believe in something, there is nothing uncommon about wanting others to know about it & shouting it to the world.

Apple believes in its product. That's why they make 1,000 commercials & advertisements about it. They want you to know why their product is better than the others. They want their advertisements on the international tv screens, phones, & in the minds of an audience.

Anything that even 1 person (let alone MILLIONS of people) is passionate about is supposed to be marketed!!! That's NOT something only attributed to religion. You gripe about religion being "forced in your face," but yet you DON'T complain about almost every single corporation in the world repping their product/beliefs not only for you to see/hear, but for the rest of the world to hear/see too!?!?! The REAL hypocrite is the person who's all for the aspect of marketing 1 minute, but then curses the name of marketing the next

It's ok for a relationship book or for your mother to tell you to be kind to others & love thy neighbor but yet when a religious person taps you on the shoulder & tells you the very SAME thing, suddenly it's "UGH! Stop trying to impose your beliefs on me—!!"

Atheist: Religious people are judgemental

Me: People are people FIRST before they are anything else. Every religious text in the world told you that. Not 1 religious text says that all people are perfect & come without flaws so why are you putting words in the mouth of a text that even had in BOLD WRITING that all people are flawed & messed up?! All people are hypocrites. That doesn't mean some people don't want to change or get their lives together. That doesn't mean that people should just give in, say F it & stop trying to be a better person just b/c they've made mistakes before

My problem is with fanatics.

As for me I lean towards agnosticism.

The whole, "Religion is fake b/c the people practicing it are flawed" is a very WEAK argument, considering 1 of the many reasons people lean on the religion in the 1st place to try to CORRECT those flaws as best they can. Do they fail many times? Yes. But how dare you accuse all religious people of being hypocrites b/c they point out the flaws of others (as if people aren't allowed to dislike things) & yet YOU go & do the same thing to religious people— Well isn't that the pot calling the kettle black!

Atheist love pointing out how they just loathe religion, constantly pick out the flaws of "religious" people & just HAVE to let you know every second of the day why they believe other's beliefs are flawed, naive, misinformed & illogical.

Hmmm....so when you see me talking about "God" you're quick to call me stupid, brainwashed & illogical but yet you DON'T LIKE JUDGEMENT—?? You don't like people making you feel bad for your beliefs all though you just tried to make me feel bad for mine—!!! lol Riiiiiiiiiight So it's ok for you to tap me on the shoulder & call me "brainwashed" b/c I am a Christian, but if I tap you on the shoulder & call you brainwashed for NOT believing in Christ, suddenly I'M the only hypocrite? Suddenly I'M the only 1 pushing my beliefs onto someone—!!!

You don't mind Apple, pizza hut, the NFL or cancer centers repping THEIR products/beliefs & speaking about their beliefs passionately, but yet the person repping their religion & living to tell you about it is being "forceful in their beliefs—?!!!!"

You don't like religion b/c you don't like hypocrites but yet almost everything you say/do is hypocritical, almost everything you spew at religious people is judgement, etc. but yet YOU DON'T LIKE HYPOCRITES—?!!! YOU HATE THE ASPECT OF JUDGEMENT THOUGH—! Again, that's the pot calling the kettle black

How do you not realize that the very traits you don't like in religious people ALSO lie within YOU?!

If you don't believe in religion, FINE!!!

There is nothing uncommon or unrealistic about every single person on earth not believing in the same things.

My only problem with atheists is that 1. They also can't prove that their beliefs are 100% true/verifiable either, but yet call religious people stupid for believing in something they can't prove. If neither of us can scientifically proof what we believe in, how are YOU any more intelligent or smarter than me?!

My other problem with atheists is that they claim to be against the very same thing that they do too. Religious people aren't the only hypocrites. Plenty of atheists are too, but yet they're the main ones advocating for unhypocritical people.

I don't have a problem with religious people, or even them talking to others about it.

What frustrates me is when they try to mix it into law or public policy in general. If you think abortion is sinful, fine. Don't get one. No one's forcing you to.

But don't force everybody to abide by the rules of YOUR religion.

^ general "you"

Posted by arietteheart2
Comparing religion to Apple products.

*snort*

Oh I'm sorry, I should've known that some people aren't capable of going in depth on certain things.

Apple & every other corporation in the world does the very SAME thing that religious people do:
-Market their beliefs/products
-Invite others to come join in on their beliefs & to try it for themselves
-Give what they call to be "evidence" & proof that they have good reason to believe in the very thing they're selling/marketing
-Cling especially to those who also share the same beliefs in their products (You have a better chance at meeting & being invited by the CEO when you are passionately FOR what they believe in vs. against it)
-Feel that there's some irrationality to those who blatantly refuse to give it a chance unless they've tried it 1st
-Have thousands of people employed/encouraged to spread the word in hopes that what they're marketing will fall on the ears of all ages, races, sizes & classes of people

Half of all the things you own are in your possession b/c the person/company marketing it & spreading the word about it got to YOUR ears, YOUR eyes, YOUR tv screen & YOUR friends through word of mouth. But yet religious people who are marketing their beliefs to the world are forceful—

Posted by krysrenee7

Atheist: Religious people are always telling others about their religion & pushing it onto others.

Me: When you believe in something, you're SUPPOSED to rep it to the world. You're supposed to tell others about it. You're supposed to talk about. You're supposed to want to engage mostly with those who believe in the same things you do.

There's a difference between pushing and repping ..... I see you've spent over 5,000 characters here to describe how you can't tell the difference, while attempting to make the reader guilty for your inability to recognize.

Are we talking about religion? Or is this about faith?

Very important to distinguish between the two because they are not necessarily one in the same.

Posted by munchkin
I don't have a problem with religious people, or even them talking to others about it.

What frustrates me is when they try to mix it into law or public policy in general. If you think abortion is sinful, fine. Don't get one. No one's forcing you to.

But don't force everybody to abide by the rules of YOUR religion.

I get it. I'm not surprised that there are hypocritical religious folks. My problem is that atheists are surprised & act like people shouldn't practice something or have strong beliefs in something just b/c they are technically flawed inside.

Huge difference.

you sure are whiney

Posted by TMV
Are we talking about religion? Or is this about faith?

Very important to distinguish between the two because they are not necessarily one in the same.

Both. Atheists attack both. They attack anything they don't believe in, while at the same time attacking others for being just as vocal about not believing in their beliefs.

More caps lock please for emphasis.

Posted by krysrenee7

Posted by munchkin
I don't have a problem with religious people, or even them talking to others about it.

What frustrates me is when they try to mix it into law or public policy in general. If you think abortion is sinful, fine. Don't get one. No one's forcing you to.

But don't force everybody to abide by the rules of YOUR religion.

I get it. I'm not surprised that there are hypocritical religious folks. My problem is that atheists are surprised & act like people shouldn't practice something or have strong beliefs in something just b/c they are technically flawed inside.

Huge difference.

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I'm not fond of condescending atheists either. Oddly enough, they essentially *make* atheism a religion.

Posted by P-Angel


you sure are whiney

*Points to the door*

But oh wait, you won't take it. I forgot. You're the kind of person that likes to hang out at places & around people you don't like b/c you have too much time on your hands & would rather try convincing others that character assassination is really the same as bringing a constructive argument to the table. And yet I'm the one who doesn't make sense lmao

Not replying to you anymore. Toodles =)

Posted by munchkin

Posted by krysrenee7

Posted by munchkin
I don't have a problem with religious people, or even them talking to others about it.

What frustrates me is when they try to mix it into law or public policy in general. If you think abortion is sinful, fine. Don't get one. No one's forcing you to.

But don't force everybody to abide by the rules of YOUR religion.

I get it. I'm not surprised that there are hypocritical religious folks. My problem is that atheists are surprised & act like people shouldn't practice something or have strong beliefs in something just b/c they are technically flawed inside.

Huge difference.

I'm not fond of condescending atheists either. Oddly enough, they essentially *make* atheism a religion.

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YES! YES! AND YES! I'm not defending the religious people who are condescending. I'm getting the point across that condescending atheists are no better

Posted by krysrenee7

Posted by TMV
Are we talking about religion? Or is this about faith?

Very important to distinguish between the two because they are not necessarily one in the same.

Both. Atheists attack both. They attack anything they don't believe in, while at the same time attacking others for being just as vocal about not believing in their beliefs.

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I don't know which religion you follow but in mine we're taught a bunch of stuff about forgiveness and turning the other cheek and whatnot. Just nod & smile and keep it moving. If you're confident in your faith you have no reason to feel offended by the ignorance of others.

@TMV: I get what you're saying.

I was just giving my opinion on something. My faith in God hasn't swayed 1 single bit. There are billions of people who don't believe in Christ, but I still do lol That will never change.

This post isn't about getting people to believe in God or to follow my religion or any religion that they don't want to.

@Munchkin said it perfectly. A condescending "I'm gonna shout my LACK of belief in God at you" atheist is NO different or better than the religious people that do the same...the very thing these atheists supposedly hate.

It goes both ways. If I'm pushing my beliefs on you when I'm telling you why I believe in something or why you should believe in something, then technically the person on the other end of the table is being just as forceful when they tell me why they don't believe in something or why I shouldn't believe in what I believe in. WORKS BOTH WAYS.

If an atheist wants their right to not be judged for speaking out against what they don't believe in, then a religious person has the right to not be judged for speaking out about what they do believe in. Again, works both ways

I don't believe in religions and I've no problem with religious people..some of my exes were religious and I've friends with religions.. my motto is that if I have a right not to believe/not to have religions, then they've got a right to believe/or to have religions..I will respect your right, and I just ask you to respect mine in return..simple as that ..just don't try come force on me with your or any body's belief/religion/view .. (and especially several times even when I thoroughly expressed my opinion, i.e., 'no') .. that's when & only I wouldn't tolerate..all's fine as long as we respect each other.. certainly, I don't go out attacking religious people or be condescending towards them.. follow what you think that makes you happy and whole, because that's what I'm doing with my life - it's all fine if religion is what makes your life fulfilled and whole..please go for it.. but what you think makes you happy & whole (may) does not always equate to that which makes others happy & whole.. I only hope some people note that..and if someone says 'thank you, but I just don't think that's what I need' then I only hope they would understand, nod, smile & keep it moving.. live and let live

(and here the pronoun 'you' means the general you, not pointed or meant the op..just clarifying in order to avoid a possible misunderstooding 🙂)

=))

Posted by fishinamaize
bla bla bla..

One last thing though, and this also really annoys me. The fallacious challenge that I have to prove gods doesn't exist in order to say I don't believe in them. This is supreme stupidity.

"I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
...Stephen F Roberts

Funny story with that quote Pisces..I was on a train ride at some point..it was a 7 hour trip boring as fuck and the guy in my compartment starts talking to me and tells me that quote. Loved it.

Let's just say that time flew by. 😄

Posted by fishinamaize
Huh. Alright then.

Huh, you were talking to me? 🙂

It was one of the best discussions of my life and I still don't know that guy's sign ugh.

Come to think about it a lot of interesting stuff happened for me on one way of transport or another.

I got immediately paranoid that I typed in Romanian so went back to check.

Damn you! lol

i don't have a gripe. I'm just glad i am not married to a die-hard religious man. lol

i like a sense of "freedom" and so does my husband.

*whew* can't imagine if i were married to one. i'd go cray cray. (that would be under the assumption i'd be in an arranged marriage -- eww. no thanks.)

i like paving my own way -- even if the way was terrible in the past. I wouldn't have changed that destiny. God always has a plan for everyone.

Christian: "I believe in God & I feel that anyone who doesn't has been brainwashed, is not logical & is lost."

Atheist: "I don't believe in God & I feel that anyone who does has been brainwashed, hasn't done their research & is not thinking logically."

If BOTH people feel passionate about their beliefs, don't mind telling others what they believe, see things about others that they dislike & voice their dislike for those things/people, sometimes feel that those who don't share their same beliefs are lost, not thinking logically or have been brainwashed, & feel they have a right to their own opinion & to argue with anyone challenging their beliefs, then how is it fair to ONLY shun the Christian or religious person who does this—

If 2 people are both doing the SAME things, 1 group can't be the only hypocrite, problem or wrong doers. Both are in the wrong, IF what either are doing is even wrong in the 1st place

As a Christian, me telling you that I believe in God is me "forcing" my beliefs on you. But if an atheist tells me they don't believe in God, they are simply "giving their opinion?" UNFAIR. Semantics.

Posted by Lucciferi
I MEANT TO CAPS ALL OF THAT. SON OF A BUG SCRAPER! AND I HAD TO MAKE ANOTHER POST!

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