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Temperament: What if Keirsey’s Idealists (NFs) really did rule the world?
Our issue of the day is asking what the world would be like if Keirsey’s NF Idealists truly ruled it. In last week’s blog I did my best to describe Keirsey’s NF Idealists on his terms. Bear in mind as you read this that I am assuming in order to keep it simple, that there is no important effect of Extraversion/Introversion or of Sensing/Perceiving. That could not be true in the real world but adding those in would complicate this thought experiment beyond any reasonable bounds. A second assumption is that these NFs are purely that. They would answer all N/S questions in the direction of N (Intuition), and all F/T questions in the direction of F (Feeling). This is possible, as I have seen such answers on our own Harkey-Jourgensen scale, but it certainly would be rare in the real world. Below is last week’s summary of this Idealist description.
IN SUMMARY: The NF Idealist and Abstract Cooperator is abstract in word, in language, and in a passion for the future. If a person could be said to be abstract in deed, also, this would be the model. They are passionate communitarians, caring more for the needs and feelings of every individual than for any hard fought group decision.h. Whether it is the best decision is less important than whether it is the decision that promotes consensus and minimizes disharmony. Anger and conflict are deeply painful and avoided at almost all costs. According to Keirsey, their greatest intellectual strength is Diplomacy with Strategy as a close second.
NF interests focus on people with positions in teaching, counseling and mentoring very common. Related to this they are often excellent in personnel positions, in hiring, training, and skills development. Others find their finest roles as activists in human rights and related political social areas. Careers in commerce or science are relatively infrequent. College majors are generally in the humanities and social sciences, though art also is of interest.
Their self-image is built on genuinely being a caring and benevolent person. It is nurtured both by the bonds they feel with others and the kindesses they extend to others and by the relfection of this in how they are treated by others.
In the present they are oriented toward ways to improve life for self and others, and the future is where they see these coming to fruition, believing always that better things are coming. Their special place is on the pathway to wisdom, understanding and a better future. With this, their time is always tomorrow.
Our issue of the day is asking what the world would be like if Keirsey’s NF Idealists truly ruled it. In last week’s blog I did my best to describe Keirsey’s NF Idealists on his terms. Bear in mind as you read this that I am assuming in order to keep it simple, that there is no important effect of Extraversion/Introversion or of Sensing/Perceiving. That could not be true in the real world but adding those in would complicate this thought experiment beyond any reasonable bounds. A second assumption is that these NFs are purely that. They would answer all N/S questions in the direction of N (Intuition), and all F/T questions in the direction of F (Feeling). This is possible, as I have seen such answers on our own Harkey-Jourgensen scale, but it certainly would be rare in the real world. Below is last week’s summary of this Idealist description.
IN SUMMARY: The NF Idealist and Abstract Cooperator is abstract in word, in language, and in a passion for the future. If a person could be said to be abstract in deed, also, this would be the model. They are passionate communitarians, caring more for the needs and feelings of every individual than for any hard fought group decision.h. Whether it is the best decision is less important than whether it is the decision that promotes consensus and minimizes disharmony. Anger and conflict are deeply painful and avoided at almost all costs. According to Keirsey, their greatest intellectual strength is Diplomacy with Strategy as a close second.
NF interests focus on people with positions in teaching, counseling and mentoring very common. Related to this they are often excellent in personnel positions, in hiring, training, and skills development. Others find their finest roles as activists in human rights and related political social areas. Careers in commerce or science are relatively infrequent. College majors are generally in the humanities and social sciences, though art also is of interest.
Their self-image is built on genuinely being a caring and benevolent person. It is nurtured both by the bonds they feel with others and the kindesses they extend to others and by the relfection of this in how they are treated by others.
In the present they are oriented toward ways to improve life for self and others, and the future is where they see these coming to fruition, believing always that better things are coming. Their special place is on the pathway to wisdom, understanding and a better future. With this, their time is always tomorrow.
They value enthusiasm as a daily way of being, trust their own intuition, especially about other people, yearn for romance as “idealized love”, and passionately seek identity as an understanding of the self–generally a life-time quest. Very similar to this is their search for the ultimate meaning of life. They most prize being really seen (recognized) by another as the unique individual that they see in themselves, and aspire to be a true sage, ever questing after knowledge and understanding.
In the first scenario, here, I am assuming that all human beings on planet earth are NFs as they have been described above, and that this has been true from the beginning of human life. I will follow the same set of questions used for SPs and SJs.
What would education and commerce be like. That is really two questions–one easy and one hard. I would think that the equivalent of our K-12 schooling would be very loose and free, with much emphasis on learning at your own pace, and exploring the things that interest you. I would expect a great deal of emphasis on creativity, and learning about ideas of all sorts. What I am suggesting was perhaps best described by A. S. Neill, the founder of Summerhill, who “believed that the happiness of the child should be the paramount consideration in decisions about the child’s upbringing, and that this happiness grew from a sense of personal freedom. He felt that deprivation of this sense of freedom during childhood, and the consequent unhappiness experienced by the repressed child, was responsible for many of the psychological disorders of adulthood”.*
Later education would probably be heavily weighted toward the humanities. Whatever the areas might be called they would surely focus on sociology, psychology, philosophy, history, religion or religious history and theory, and related areas. Perhaps to a lesser degree there would be thriving studies in music, dance and artistic endeavors of all sorts. Even at this level, it would be likely that group discussion would dominate over lecture, and much learning would be self-paced.
Presumably physics, engineering, chemistry and other hard sciences would be relatively minor areas of interest, although one question arises there about biology and medicine. Warmheartedness and interpersonal caring should drive even NFs (at least some of them) toward studying the nature of illness and the potential cures. But would this lead to a rigorous study of biology, anatomy and human chemistry? It is a little hard to imagine. Alternatively it might lead more to what we think of as alternative medicine–noninvasive ways to reduce pain and tension, and Yoga-like, meditation-like methods to reduce stress and promote healing. My own guess is that the alternative approach would dominate and courses would be offered in these areas.
In the first scenario, here, I am assuming that all human beings on planet earth are NFs as they have been described above, and that this has been true from the beginning of human life. I will follow the same set of questions used for SPs and SJs.
What would education and commerce be like. That is really two questions–one easy and one hard. I would think that the equivalent of our K-12 schooling would be very loose and free, with much emphasis on learning at your own pace, and exploring the things that interest you. I would expect a great deal of emphasis on creativity, and learning about ideas of all sorts. What I am suggesting was perhaps best described by A. S. Neill, the founder of Summerhill, who “believed that the happiness of the child should be the paramount consideration in decisions about the child’s upbringing, and that this happiness grew from a sense of personal freedom. He felt that deprivation of this sense of freedom during childhood, and the consequent unhappiness experienced by the repressed child, was responsible for many of the psychological disorders of adulthood”.*
Later education would probably be heavily weighted toward the humanities. Whatever the areas might be called they would surely focus on sociology, psychology, philosophy, history, religion or religious history and theory, and related areas. Perhaps to a lesser degree there would be thriving studies in music, dance and artistic endeavors of all sorts. Even at this level, it would be likely that group discussion would dominate over lecture, and much learning would be self-paced.
Presumably physics, engineering, chemistry and other hard sciences would be relatively minor areas of interest, although one question arises there about biology and medicine. Warmheartedness and interpersonal caring should drive even NFs (at least some of them) toward studying the nature of illness and the potential cures. But would this lead to a rigorous study of biology, anatomy and human chemistry? It is a little hard to imagine. Alternatively it might lead more to what we think of as alternative medicine–noninvasive ways to reduce pain and tension, and Yoga-like, meditation-like methods to reduce stress and promote healing. My own guess is that the alternative approach would dominate and courses would be offered in these areas.
Commerce: Logic leads me to think that NFs would not develop a capitalist economy. I can imagine people being asked to contribute fairly to community needs, from growing food to building homes, but doing so in their areas of greater interest or talent, and certainly not for personal profit. (This might be one source of unavoidable conflict though. No doubt most Idealist members would prefer teaching, lifelong scholarship, mentoring and counseling, but in an all NF world, somebody has to pick the fruit.)
Work groups, similar to our pre-industrial guilds, might be one offshoot, but without a sense of competition between members or member guilds. For more remote groups trade and barter would be probable mechanisms, but you would expect this to remain fair and communal for these purest of NF Idealists.
Physical inventions/Mental inventions. Intuition gives the Idealist a large push in toward creativity in any direction, but given the lack of interest in science and engineering you would expect the focus to be far more intellectual and spiritual than physical. Physical inventions that provide comfort, food, entertainment, as for example musical intstruments, should certainly be developed, but all those things that require a prolonged interest in logical and analytical study of the sciences do not seem likely. As was true for SPs, this has nothing to do with innate intelligence, but everything to do with what is and is not interesting to the NF. Idealists in today’s world use, and no doubt love, all the techy gadgets from e-readers to Smart Phones–items that allow them to delight in communication with others and give access to all sorts of information. But–alone in an NF world–would they have developed the long line of technology that made these instruments possible? Some form of the printing press I feel confident they would have developed, because that technology did not build on a long tedious line of scientific discoveries. But the iPad? All you NFs out there may want to flood me with angry comments, but I am not even certain that the electric light would have appeared in a people who did not delight in science.
Mental inventions? Absolutely!. By this I mean really complex philosophical theories about life and its meaning, perhaps forms of psychotherapy we cannot even imagine, forms of personal intercommunication we can’t imagine, and ways of enhancing memory that we have not thought of at all.
What would the social culture be like? I recall a saying (approximately) that faculty members argue and fight so much precisely because there is so little to fight about. I don’t think these ideal Idealists would literally “argue and fight”, but I do think that relatively small issues would lead to interminable meetings, searching for the consensus that would make new projects possible, and would also heal the endless small wounds that sensitive NFs encounter.
Work groups, similar to our pre-industrial guilds, might be one offshoot, but without a sense of competition between members or member guilds. For more remote groups trade and barter would be probable mechanisms, but you would expect this to remain fair and communal for these purest of NF Idealists.
Physical inventions/Mental inventions. Intuition gives the Idealist a large push in toward creativity in any direction, but given the lack of interest in science and engineering you would expect the focus to be far more intellectual and spiritual than physical. Physical inventions that provide comfort, food, entertainment, as for example musical intstruments, should certainly be developed, but all those things that require a prolonged interest in logical and analytical study of the sciences do not seem likely. As was true for SPs, this has nothing to do with innate intelligence, but everything to do with what is and is not interesting to the NF. Idealists in today’s world use, and no doubt love, all the techy gadgets from e-readers to Smart Phones–items that allow them to delight in communication with others and give access to all sorts of information. But–alone in an NF world–would they have developed the long line of technology that made these instruments possible? Some form of the printing press I feel confident they would have developed, because that technology did not build on a long tedious line of scientific discoveries. But the iPad? All you NFs out there may want to flood me with angry comments, but I am not even certain that the electric light would have appeared in a people who did not delight in science.
Mental inventions? Absolutely!. By this I mean really complex philosophical theories about life and its meaning, perhaps forms of psychotherapy we cannot even imagine, forms of personal intercommunication we can’t imagine, and ways of enhancing memory that we have not thought of at all.
What would the social culture be like? I recall a saying (approximately) that faculty members argue and fight so much precisely because there is so little to fight about. I don’t think these ideal Idealists would literally “argue and fight”, but I do think that relatively small issues would lead to interminable meetings, searching for the consensus that would make new projects possible, and would also heal the endless small wounds that sensitive NFs encounter.
Keirsey tells us that his Idealist NFs are just incurable romantics. He comments that “Romance, in the sense of idealized love, is not something which NFs can take or leave; it is vital to their growth and happiness, a nourishment they cannot live without, just as its opposite, the uninspiring, commonplace relationship, is flat and stale and lifeless.” Accepting this as part of the package, I assume you would have a sexual scene in which there are many partners over time, but more as a pattern of serial monogamy than as happy one-night stands. If that is a sound interpretation, then I would suppose that there are many, many rejected and distraught partners along the way, and still more reasons for many hours of group and personal therapy. (Or perhaps they would have invented a way around this problem that I cannot imagine).
Child care and development would be a very strong area of focus, with the mental and psychological health of the child being of central concern. Similar to what I suggested about early education, I think the philosophy would be purposefully permissive, as equalitarian as possible at each given age, and with great concern for the child’s own self-regard.
You would expect that violent crime would just be non-existent for these Idealists. Most problems could be expected to be what we would consider less than criminal–failing to do your full day’s work, trysting with someone else’s romantic partner, or speaking ill of someone else in a hurtful way. Is that really possible? Well, This is a hypothetical model, so I suppose if there could be such a thing as a 100% Idealist there could be such a world.
Yet another puzzling social issue concerns what would become of Idealist self-image and values. Keirsey tells us that it is very important that one part of their self-image comes from seeing that they are authentically caring and empathic toward others, and that this is reflected back to them from others. In terms of important NF values, finding their own unique self is a major lifelong quest, and what they prize most in relation to this is recognition by another or others, of this unique self. In a world, absolutely full of wonderful NFs wouldn’t it be really hard to find your unique self, and even harder to find someone else who sees your uniqueness compared to all other NFs?
Child care and development would be a very strong area of focus, with the mental and psychological health of the child being of central concern. Similar to what I suggested about early education, I think the philosophy would be purposefully permissive, as equalitarian as possible at each given age, and with great concern for the child’s own self-regard.
You would expect that violent crime would just be non-existent for these Idealists. Most problems could be expected to be what we would consider less than criminal–failing to do your full day’s work, trysting with someone else’s romantic partner, or speaking ill of someone else in a hurtful way. Is that really possible? Well, This is a hypothetical model, so I suppose if there could be such a thing as a 100% Idealist there could be such a world.
Yet another puzzling social issue concerns what would become of Idealist self-image and values. Keirsey tells us that it is very important that one part of their self-image comes from seeing that they are authentically caring and empathic toward others, and that this is reflected back to them from others. In terms of important NF values, finding their own unique self is a major lifelong quest, and what they prize most in relation to this is recognition by another or others, of this unique self. In a world, absolutely full of wonderful NFs wouldn’t it be really hard to find your unique self, and even harder to find someone else who sees your uniqueness compared to all other NFs?
What would government be like? My hunch is that it would be structured as a democracy in some form–possibly as a true democracy rather than a republic or representative structure. However, this would present serious philosophical problems for Idealists since all forms of democracy have winners and losers. Based on that thought the only form I can imagine is a theoretical democracy with a sort of endless consensus process. The governing body meets, discusses, finds disagreements and refers the issue to committee. The committee meets, discusses, finds disagreements and divides various aspects of the issue into sub-issues and refers these to different subcommittees. This continues until there is no one else to refer the problem or its parts to, so the bottom-feeding committees meet and discuss until, like a nearly hung jury, anything that will resolve the issue or sub-issue begins to look good. At this point they send a ‘consensus’ decision back up to the next level and the process repeats until there is consensus at the top. With long experience with this, many lesser issues probably get resolved at the top simply out of a sense of “whatever”.
Would they be warlike? The short and simple answer here is absolutely not. In a totally NF world it is hard to imagine any reason for a war, let alone a willingness to plunge into that kind of violence. If, of course there are other planets with warlike creatures and scientific bents, of course, then there would be a whole new problem. Even then, however, I think the NF answer would be surrender.
And if NFs became in charge of a world already full of SPs, NTs and SJs, well, I am not sure it would be very different from some of the more advanced social democracies in Europe right now, except that if they remained 100% pure Idealists, I doubt that they could hold on to the reins of power for long.
ADDENDUM TO KEIRSEY’S MODEL: Unlike Keirsey’s model for the other temperaments, where there are at least a few shortcomings showing, I personally feel that he has described the NFs as too self-less. I would agree that NFs long for harmony, avoid conflict like the plague, and value relationships with others almost above all else. However, I see no reason to think that NFs in our real world want what they want any less than any other temperament. No doubt many are truly kind, considerate and caring, but I suspect that many other NFs simply fight for what they want in less overt ways, using anything from persuasion and gifts of friendship to outright manipulation. In the government by consensus model, described earlier, I suspect the less good-hearted NFs are very busy before committee meetings getting their votes in line!
Would they be warlike? The short and simple answer here is absolutely not. In a totally NF world it is hard to imagine any reason for a war, let alone a willingness to plunge into that kind of violence. If, of course there are other planets with warlike creatures and scientific bents, of course, then there would be a whole new problem. Even then, however, I think the NF answer would be surrender.
And if NFs became in charge of a world already full of SPs, NTs and SJs, well, I am not sure it would be very different from some of the more advanced social democracies in Europe right now, except that if they remained 100% pure Idealists, I doubt that they could hold on to the reins of power for long.
ADDENDUM TO KEIRSEY’S MODEL: Unlike Keirsey’s model for the other temperaments, where there are at least a few shortcomings showing, I personally feel that he has described the NFs as too self-less. I would agree that NFs long for harmony, avoid conflict like the plague, and value relationships with others almost above all else. However, I see no reason to think that NFs in our real world want what they want any less than any other temperament. No doubt many are truly kind, considerate and caring, but I suspect that many other NFs simply fight for what they want in less overt ways, using anything from persuasion and gifts of friendship to outright manipulation. In the government by consensus model, described earlier, I suspect the less good-hearted NFs are very busy before committee meetings getting their votes in line!
Posted by tizianiYou worry me, child.
World full of NTs = The Gathering in Highlander. A pack of isolated nutcases go about killing one another for no other reason than some outdated rule about there being only one. Good times.
I was looking for the INTPs too..I know so many in this type.
Posted by WhiteChocolateNo, it's the NF's (INFP / INFJ/ ENFP/ ENFJ)
What fresh hell is this?
Another personality type?
Stay calm there, NT type.
Posted by twodrinkmaximumYeah, that was my exact vibe.
Sounds awesome and sad at the same time because we basically don't fit into real life at al...only this imagined ideal life
Posted by tizianiIt's only a question of insufferability between the two, where INTJ wins over INTP in that field.Posted by DamnataSometimes I get INTJ other times INTPPosted by tizianiYou worry me, child.
World full of NTs = The Gathering in Highlander. A pack of isolated nutcases go about killing one another for no other reason than some outdated rule about there being only one. Good times.
I was looking for the INTPs too..I know so many in this type.click to expand
There can be only ONE!
Posted by DamnataPosted by tizianiIt's only a question of insufferability between the two, where INTJ wins over INTP in that field.Posted by DamnataSometimes I get INTJ other times INTPPosted by tizianiYou worry me, child.
World full of NTs = The Gathering in Highlander. A pack of isolated nutcases go about killing one another for no other reason than some outdated rule about there being only one. Good times.
I was looking for the INTPs too..I know so many in this type.click to expand
Lol
You're more P than J tiz, you need strong fixed placements for J.
That or a total unwillingness to welcome change outside of a predetermined mindset.
If you perceive some things as they go along..you're totally P.
That or a total unwillingness to welcome change outside of a predetermined mindset.
If you perceive some things as they go along..you're totally P.
Posted by YellowSubmarineyou're also a mutable sun.Posted by DamnataI'm fixed dominant but I always get P
You're more P than J tiz, you need strong fixed placements for J.
That or a total unwillingness to welcome change outside of a predetermined mindset.
If you perceive some things as they go along..you're totally P.
ENTP or INTP, depending on the day.. usually.click to expand
i notice a lot of J with fixed water or fixed earth.
Let's just be happy we're not all living in an INTJ world.
The amount of egg shells I'd have to walk on...
Love you insufferable ones.
The amount of egg shells I'd have to walk on...
Love you insufferable ones.
I think the worst part about the NF society would be the total paralysis when tragedy hits.
Days and days of national mourning, nothing would get done. We'd all walk around compassionately but everything else would be at a stand still.
Days and days of national mourning, nothing would get done. We'd all walk around compassionately but everything else would be at a stand still.
oh capricorns are also a very "j" type.
don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
Posted by YellowSubmarine-.-Posted by DamnataFair enough, fair enough.Posted by YellowSubmarineyou're also a mutable sun.Posted by DamnataI'm fixed dominant but I always get P
You're more P than J tiz, you need strong fixed placements for J.
That or a total unwillingness to welcome change outside of a predetermined mindset.
If you perceive some things as they go along..you're totally P.
ENTP or INTP, depending on the day.. usually.
i notice a lot of J with fixed water or fixed earth.
Yeah, my fixed is from air and water.. I lack earth in my chart.click to expand
Posted by AndsAcquisitionsi'm 85% sure you are an S.
i'm a NT or a ST.
sensors mistype as intuitives more than intuitives as sensors
the way you go about life and smells and textures..that's an S thing through and through.
ISTJ would sound right imo.
Posted by YellowSubmarineI was going to say "you must be doing something to overcome that lack of earth". if that something you're doing is virgos..that's cool to me. lolPosted by DamnataThat's why you Virgos round me out.. or at least, that's my theory and I'm stickin' to it lolPosted by YellowSubmarine-.-Posted by DamnataFair enough, fair enough.Posted by YellowSubmarineyou're also a mutable sun.Posted by DamnataI'm fixed dominant but I always get P
You're more P than J tiz, you need strong fixed placements for J.
That or a total unwillingness to welcome change outside of a predetermined mindset.
If you perceive some things as they go along..you're totally P.
ENTP or INTP, depending on the day.. usually.
i notice a lot of J with fixed water or fixed earth.
Yeah, my fixed is from air and water.. I lack earth in my chart.click to expand
Posted by AndsAcquisitionsyou're sarcastic right?Posted by Damnatayeah i wasn't a smell and texture person back when i tested NT.Posted by AndsAcquisitionsi'm 85% sure you are an S.
i'm a NT or a ST.
sensors mistype as intuitives more than intuitives as sensors
the way you go about life and smells and textures..that's an S thing through and through.
ISTJ would sound right imo.
click to expand
you're a taurus, smell and texture was always there.
i blame the taurus placements with the aries for him typing as an S
Posted by tizianiupgrades?Posted by VanishINTX hahaPosted by tizianiYou're my fellow INTX 😄Posted by DamnataSometimes I get INTJ other times INTPPosted by tizianiYou worry me, child.
World full of NTs = The Gathering in Highlander. A pack of isolated nutcases go about killing one another for no other reason than some outdated rule about there being only one. Good times.
I was looking for the INTPs too..I know so many in this type.
I dont feel alone anymore! 😄
Sounds like we're upgrades from Skynetclick to expand
better keep that ego in check.
Pisces infurriate me too.
Doesn't matter, I'll still bail them out of prison at the end of the evening.
Doesn't matter, I'll still bail them out of prison at the end of the evening.
Posted by YellowSubmarineYou people are seriously something else..smh.Posted by DamnataHahah
Pisces infurriate me too.
Doesn't matter, I'll still bail them out of prison at the end of the evening.
Good on you, much appreciated 😆
You reliable Virgos... it's my favourite thing about y'all. Say what you will, you guys are reliableclick to expand
My pisces friend didn't even notice we were flying off the highway, he just thought the road got a lot smoother.
He only noticed when we went BAM into the ground.
I get out, Pisces goes "did we have a crash?".
At least the laughter cleared out the shock on me.
I imagine an SP world would be very loosely organized. I vote the SP's build camps on cliff walls. Go back to hunter gatherer and small tribes with war parties. Only needing minimal sleep because we wouldn't be expected to do any complex problem solving. Screw that shit. A lot of death but a more satisfying life.
Posted by YellowSubmarineIt's moments like this that I really don't feel very Virgo. I get the job done but I'm not happy doing boring repetitive shit. I don't stick around in boring situations. I've had people complain I'm unreliable. But they were boring me.Posted by DamnataHahah
Pisces infurriate me too.
Doesn't matter, I'll still bail them out of prison at the end of the evening.
Good on you, much appreciated 😆
You reliable Virgos... it's my favourite thing about y'all. Say what you will, you guys are reliableclick to expand
Posted by BlackMambaI didn't say it was their problem. My solution has been to have a job that doesn't bore me, not to study subjects that bore me and spend time with people who interest me. Boredom was a problem in HS where you don't get much say in these things.Posted by SquirrelFromTheNuthousewell that's your problem though right ...why is it anothers fault for your boredomPosted by YellowSubmarineIt's moments like this that I really don't feel very Virgo. I get the job done but I'm not happy doing boring repetitive shit. I don't stick around in boring situations. I've had people complain I'm unreliable. But they were boring me.Posted by DamnataHahah
Pisces infurriate me too.
Doesn't matter, I'll still bail them out of prison at the end of the evening.
Good on you, much appreciated 😆
You reliable Virgos... it's my favourite thing about y'all. Say what you will, you guys are reliableclick to expand
I like the NF world as described in the article. I'm INFJ.
I can strain and be INTJ-like if I must, but I can physically feel it if I do, kind like my entire upper body has a tension headache. Conditioning when I was in school made it more likely I would force myself to squeeze out the T qualities, if I wanted to get good grades. It never made me happy.
I can strain and be INTJ-like if I must, but I can physically feel it if I do, kind like my entire upper body has a tension headache. Conditioning when I was in school made it more likely I would force myself to squeeze out the T qualities, if I wanted to get good grades. It never made me happy.
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