Death penalty

Do you guys believe in the death penalty? If SO, why? If not, why not?

For those of you who DO believe in the death penalty, which crimes are considered "justifiable" for the death penalty?

Personally, I don't agree with the death penalty at all. This whole "eye for an eye" mindset is probably the very reason the person ended up behind bars in the 1st place. The death penalty for persay someone who killed someone:
1. Does NOT bring that person who was killed back
2. Does NOT bring the family to any more closure than was already had
3. Does NOT help in rehibilitating the prisoners
4. Costs way MORE than keeping a prisoner alive

Plus, there's always the possibility that someone is really innocent. That is 1 of the reasons I'm happy they don't immediatly kill prisoners as soon as they're sentenced to the death penalty. The criminal justice system needs to REMEMBER that there are new advances in forensic technology/science every single day, thus it's especially important NOT to execute any prisoners who were persay convicted 30 years ago BEFORE DNA testing was even heard of.

I don't think the death penalty is even worth it. Yes, alot of prisoners say they'd rather die than spend their lives in prison, BUT I don't agree with some lawyer or random juror determining whether or not I have the right to live. It's 1 thing to determine whether or not I committed a crime, BUT to tell me whether or not I have the right to continue living is the same as abortion. It's wrong. Letting those prisoners spend their entire lives in prison is bad enough. Hell if anything, the death penalty is the EASY way out! So if the family members of the victims want the convicted to suffer the most, killing them defeats the purpose of that goal!

Plus, I don't understand how it works. For instance, someone who killed 1 person may get the death penalty BUT YET another person who killed 3 people may just get life w/o the possibility of parole. Um? If anything, wouldn't it make sense to execute the person whose taken the MOST lives? Ugh the system is so screwed up

In Order
excutetions for

Anyone who has any kind of sex with or who harms a child.

Cold Blooded murder the kind I would do, thought out and then excuted

Rape:

acts of terrorism

Slavery own or selling people and holding people in bondage.

and perhaps being a card caring member of DXP.

To me no-one has the right to take a life. It seems so hypocritical to punish death by death. Yes there are evil people out there and there always will be. The fact there is a death penalty yet people still do these crimes show that some people just dont give a fuck!

I my opinion death is a release. It's much more of a punishment to make that person live and face up to what they have done. Everyday having to live with what they have done, not being able to see their friends/family, knowing loved ones have moved on. Yes some of the people (sociopaths) will probably not care about what they have done, but still why give them the release of death?

Like already mentioned there are so many wrong convictions! There was a guy in the UK who had a mental disorder who the police got to admit to a crime he didnt do! Luckly there is no death penalty here in the UK but the man spent around 30 years (cant remember exact amount) in prison and wasnt until the actual murderer did another crime and they checked the DNA that they released him! You get a lump sum payout but that doesnt bring back your 30 lost years, or your life if you have been put to death!

And also there are the guys who get away with it. "Its not what you know its what you can prove in court" there are plenty of murderers running free while innocent people are being put to death. The whole system is flawed.

^I agree,
The problem is the term Capital Punishment. We shouldn't look at it as a punishment but as a means of dealing with people that are a threat to society.

I tried to find the abortion thread I guess it was erased.
But I find it strange that someone can be aganist the death penalty and for abortion.
May be its just me who's priorities are fucked up.

I saw a bumper sticker yesterday that summed up my opinion of the death penalty perfectly. It said: "SO WE KILL PEOPLE WHO KILLED PEOPLE TO SHOW PEOPLE THAT KILLING IS WRONG?! RIGHT, LIKE THAT MAKES ANY SENSE!"

Unless our system is completely rid of any flaws or "oops"/mistakes, the death penalty shouldn't be enforced. And I say that ESPECIALLY for those who were prosecuted way back before Dna testing/other forensic science advances were even heard of.

I get that some people feel the death penalty is justified persay someone kills another person, BUT here's what I don't understand:
1. A woman who hired a hitman to kill her husband got the death penalty even though she was NOT the 1 to pull the trigger. YET, people like Charles Manson, who is responsible for DOZENS of deaths didn't get the death penalty?! Woww, like that makes any sense.

2. A woman drowned 4 of her kids too death but yet didn't get the death penalty, BUT YET a woman killed her maid (1 PERSON) got the death penalty. If the system is going to rely on the death penalty they can AT LEAST make the rules fair for EVERYONE! It amazes me that nearly half of the serial killers still living & who are in prison did NOT get the death penalty YET so many others who have killed LESS people have already been executed for the same kind of crime. It just doesn't make sense.

If they're going to execute 1 person for killing another then they need to execute ALL the people who've killed someone simply b/c they'd ALL share 1 thing in common: They killed someone! So if simply killing someone makes you eligible for the death penalty then how come some people that commit the SAME crime(s) are executed while others aren't? That's almost like saying only SOME people who kill people actually get prison time, while some don't. Ridiculous

Just to put a different spin on things, If the punishment for murder is the death penalty then why stick to just one murder? After you have killed someone if you know you are getting the death penalty then whats to stop you going off and killing every other person you hate before they catch you?

If for example I've just walked in and caught my husband cheating and in the heat of the moment kill my husband (all hypothetical 🙂 ) I might aswell kill the whore thats sleeping with him too, and that guy down the road who once cheeked me, and the postman since he didnt say good morning to me that morning. If im going down im going down swinging!

@LibraSun: Well that's the problem 1. Different states carry different laws regarding the death penalty which can explain why some serial killers are executed while in other states, some are not. And 2. Even if for instance California has a law that says anyone who kills someone elderly will get the death penalty, the problem is that they'll execute 1 person who killed an elderly person while yet NOT executing the next person who did the exact same thing.

And some states justify the death penalty depending on each specific type of crime (1st degree murder for example). BUT the problem is that the death penalty is often not a decision that's up to the prosecutor or judge or even the jury. Sometimes it's the personalities & personal opinions of 12 random jurors that decide whether or not someone should die. And that sucks considering with another 12 jurors in a completely DIFFERENT case where the same crime was committed, 12 new people may vote AGAINST the death penalty even though the case the day before involved a person who got the death penalty for the same crime. It doesn't make any sense.

No matter WHAT crime someone commits, I don't think there is ANYTHING that justifies taking the life of another person. After all, isn't that why communities get SO outraged to the point of wanting a criminal to be executed?! They get so outraged b/c even the community recognizes that murder is wrong for WHATEVER reason whether it's out of retaliation, self-defense, conspiracy to kill another person or straight up cold-blooded killing someone.

Sure you might kill your husband all b/c you walked in on him cheating, BUT murder is murder. And although some jurors might lighten your sentence all b/c they see your crime as a crime of passion, that still does NOT take away the fact that you committed a murder. Especially considering there are another 4 million women who walked in on the SAME thing but yet did NOT kill their partners. Truth is, most people who have murdered someone else had/have some "sob story" or childhood background reason for why they decided to take a certain path in life. BUT murder is murder regardless of the reason.

Posted by Days22
Well the first thought after someone kills in the moment is how to get away with it so they dont face any charges. Not hey i should become a serial killer.

maybe its just me then.....lol

Instead of the Death Penalty, use convicted murderers for medical experiments, instead of innocent animals who never hurt anyone. Im serious.....

Posted by LoveBucket

Posted by Days22
Well the first thought after someone kills in the moment is how to get away with it so they dont face any charges. Not hey i should become a serial killer.

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Maybe there's not enough fear b/c the punishments in this country for certain crimes are not worth a damn. Hell, half the time it's easy for someone who actually DOES commit a crime to even get a good enough punishment for it. Sometimes criminals get off simply b/c they have great lawyers (Cough: OJ Simpson). Sometimes criminals get plea bargains or get the minimum sentence even though someone else who committed the very same crime in the same state got the maximum.

Plus, it's no secret that alot of prisoners still have the same access & priveleges to ways of life that they did before they went to jail. Hell, maybe that's why some criminals would rather be in prison than live in the real world. They're still fed, can watch tv, don't have to pay any bills, are rid of responsibilities, still have access to drugs/alcohol & in some cases, some can even still get their "sexual desires" fulfilled lol (Ahem...don't drop the soap).

So for even the most hardened criminal, prison is sometimes seen as like a break...Not to mention, those who are spending the rest of their lives w/o parole in prison often feel that they have nothing else to lose. So it's no wonder they'll even resort to criminal acts in prison (robbing, murder, drug trafficking, etc.)

I say give the murdererers solitary confinement 23 hours a day! To me that's WORSE than the death penalty. If you confine all murderers, they can't hurt any of the other prisoners. And if they ever feel like hurting someone, they will eventually just hurt/kill themselves. That prisoner STILL deserves to live BUT if they kill themselves, atleast it was THEIR own choice to do so, not some random juror or bunch of needle-happy prison staff

I think I like Dogs Idea yes its starting to grow on me.

Posted by dogsbody
Instead of the Death Penalty, use convicted murderers for medical experiments, instead of innocent animals who never hurt anyone. Im serious.....

What about the people who are wrongly convicted? Cant take back an experiment thats gone wrong. The guys life has been ruined because the system got it wrong.

This is what the problem with all punishments are, unless the person pleads guilty then there is never 100% proof that someone did something. I remember seeing a case where CCTV footage wasnt even enough as it only showed a guy going into the house and they couldnt prove he had kiled the guy once he had entered the house!

and like krys said good lawyers and plea bargains will always be around, "you snitch on your mates and even though you did the same as them we will give you less time" WTF!

You guys seen the film Law Abiding Citizen, that film is a perfect example of how flawed the system is!

If it is proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the crime has been committed, then death. They are predators.
And the insanity defense is horse shit. It takes base cruelty and cunning to repeatedly reap the suffering and blood these maniacs do. OFF WITH THEIR HEADS.
It is not for the dead, they are beyond care and strife. It is retribution for the living. To know the craven beast that did this to their loved one is a stain, blotted from the human chain. That it can be done never again to another family who huddles in confusion and pain, suffering the unending well of grief.

two wrongs don't make a right.
Your right
!st wrong murder
2nd wrong (in your eyes) death penalty
side benny there is no 3ed wrong he or she is dead can't kill again

Posted by Samiamascorpio
Two wrongs don't make a right.

I agree!

and death is such an easy option. I would rather be dead then be locked away for life. Look at all the people that kill someone and then kill themselves because they do not want to have to live with what they have done, by giving the death penalty we are doing them a favour!

@Venusian: Problem is, the death penalty isn't only paid for by those injecting the lethal poisoning. It's paid for by ALL tax payers, which means that even those who are 100% AGAINST the death penalty have to give their money to a cause they don't morally support.

The way I see it, if the state wants to execute someone so bad, then THEY need to take that money out of their OWN pockets to pay for it. That's like asking me, someone whose completely AGAINST abortion to help fund a charity that's pro abortion. I simply wouldn't do it. And I think tax payers SHOULD have a say so on whether or not they contribute to SOME things.

That would be far too simple krys. That would mean something is making sense in this world.

Posted by venusianbull
That would be far too simple krys. That would mean something is making sense in this world.

Sad but true. In a way, the whole legal system is based on trying to make sense out of nonsense. Technically there is NO punishment for ANY crime that ALL parties will see as justifiable. Whereas 1 part of the court might feel the punishment is justifiable, the other side might completely disagree. Problem is, BOTH people on both sides ALL have their rights; it's just a matter of WHOSE rights are taken into consideration 1st/more. And usually, it's society's/the victim's & the communities rights before the criminals rights.

And I don't really feel bad for that UNLESS we're talking about those who have been wrongly convicted & whom have experienced all the "injustice."

I don't think there will EVER be any sole punishment that is considered 100% fair to all parties. SOMEBODY has to lose whether it's the victim, the criminal, the prosecutors/defense teams, or society/the community. SOMEBODY is bound to lose 1 way or another. If they execute someone, the victim's family might finally feel at peace & like they've won. BUT, sadly while 1 family is celebrating, another is grieving. None of it is technically fair 😢

No, it is not. 😢