What is Whiteness?

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The debate about the civil war being based on slavery or states' rights will forever be split, and another topic that neither side will agree on imo.

Thats fine but the record is settled @nikkistar...even by most military historians.

Not really.

There is an ongoing debate within even historians about that very fact. It is has not been settled at all. I am not trying to argue about this, but subjects like your OP and the civil war will be debated forever, with no real conclusion.

I heard your opinion i disagree especially considering multiple points of verification even taking into account criticisms... it's not a debate truthfully.

I often wonder if you would rather fight to be right, then be subjective about something.

There is not anywhere where you can quote that 100% of historians believe it is based on slavery, same as states' right. It has been debated for 100+ years, and still is. I have taken multiple courses in US history at college levels, and almost everyone agrees that this will forever be debated on because no one agrees 100% . Therefore a definitive answer as to the cause of the civil war, will never be reached.

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Existence of dissent doesn't mean that the dissent is valid...especially as a result of the overwhelming consensus around this. The loud but frankly small (and arguably misguided) resistance is not representative of the field:

https://academic.oup.com/jah/article/99/2/415/860501

The acknowledgment of the facts allows the conversation that we are having around race to be had...the majority of professional historians understand this.

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Posted by nikkistar

Posted by Ixion

The debate about the civil war being based on slavery or states' rights will forever be split, and another topic that neither side will agree on imo.

Thats fine but the record is settled @nikkistar...even by most military historians.

Not really.

There is an ongoing debate within even historians about that very fact. It is has not been settled at all. I am not trying to argue about this, but subjects like your OP and the civil war will be debated forever, with no real conclusion.

I heard your opinion i disagree especially considering multiple points of verification even taking into account criticisms... it's not a debate truthfully.

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I often wonder if you would rather fight to be right, then be subjective about something.

There is not anywhere where you can quote that 100% of historians believe it is based on slavery, same as states' right. It has been debated for 100+ years, and still is. I have taken multiple courses in US history at college levels, and almost everyone agrees that this will forever be debated on because no one agrees 100% . Therefore a definitive answer as to the cause of the civil war, will never be reached.

Posted by nikkistar

Posted by Ixion

Posted by nikkistar

Posted by Ixion

The debate about the civil war being based on slavery or states' rights will forever be split, and another topic that neither side will agree on imo.

Thats fine but the record is settled @nikkistar...even by most military historians.

Not really.

There is an ongoing debate within even historians about that very fact. It is has not been settled at all. I am not trying to argue about this, but subjects like your OP and the civil war will be debated forever, with no real conclusion.

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I heard your opinion i disagree especially considering multiple points of verification even taking into account criticisms... it's not a debate truthfully.

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Posted by nikkistar

Posted by Ixion

The debate about the civil war being based on slavery or states' rights will forever be split, and another topic that neither side will agree on imo.

Thats fine but the record is settled @nikkistar...even by most military historians.

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Not really.

There is an ongoing debate within even historians about that very fact. It is has not been settled at all. I am not trying to argue about this, but subjects like your OP and the civil war will be debated forever, with no real conclusion.

Posted by Soul
I already gave a solution to that, but no one wanted to listen.

The reason is because slum lords come into a community then strat flipping homes with cheap materials then sell it for more then it's worth. Only wealthy people can afford it, so the poor get closer and closer to eachother, no one has anything to actually care about, and crime rates go up as the middle class fluctuate to poor.

Here is the solution. Start making your schools teach more trades. Make them teach useful skills no one can take from them. Skills to actually do the work themselves. Get groups of people together and start flipping homes, but for an affordable price, then the poor will fluctuate back into the middle class. People will have more to show for, making the community more happy and stable. Then you are taking your community back, and can place whoever you want where ever you want. People will then be useful, and feel useful. All because everyone shut the treetrunk up and actually did some hard work for a change. Like I said, everyone wants the world to change yet no one wants to change themselves. Because let's be real, it's much easier to sit back and watch the world burn and do nothing about it. If you want an actual change though you need to get your hands dirty. Sitting around mentioning a bunch of problems and a broken system does nothing but make people feel hopeless. You want a better system? Go outside and fix that butter. No one is going to do it for you.

I agree with the gentrification part

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Posted by Ixion

The debate about the civil war being based on slavery or states' rights will forever be split, and another topic that neither side will agree on imo.

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Thats fine but the record is settled @nikkistar...even by most military historians.

Posted by Ixion

I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time save Slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy Slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or destroy Slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that. What I do about Slavery and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save this Union, and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views. I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty, and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men, everywhere, could be free. Yours,

A. LINCOLN.

Will you believe the guy who initiated it or this army dude, the face of the system that by your own admission isn't truthful or just to you?

@canceronthecusp
@ixion

People following your debate about history and economics are going to have a hard time figuring out which of you is right. So cited sources will probably go a long way.

Posted by Ixion

The debate about the civil war being based on slavery or states' rights will forever be split, and another topic that neither side will agree on imo.

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Posted by Ixion
Neo Colonialism which was built on the advantages of the old colonial system and the inequality of wealth caused by it allows whites (using the mechanisms of naked unregulated capitalism (for a few centuries)

You need to be more careful with your use of terms.
Merchantilism was the economic system dominant in Europe through the Rennaissance until the 18th century. It was hardly the "naked unregulated capitalism" your statement implies, assuming that you are using "capitalism" as a euphemism for free markets.
Additionally, you stated that Europe during colonization disrupted the "global eeconomic system". There was no such thing until the industrial revolution and economies began to shift towards the ideas of Smith and Hume.

Ah dude is full of it. He actually talks as if everywhere were poor innocents that never ever saw war until the evil Yuropean brought it upon them.

The distortions of history in this thread are treetrunking laughable.

He is regurgitating what he has been taught.
I notice a lot of the posts are heavily laden with critical theory pap.

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I was wondering when you would show up. Now we're only missing DJ and Mr. Firebird. Can you text them? We're taking attendance and we need all our dxp racists accounted for.

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No you didn't but you desperately tried to using inelegant opinion.....any way you have 60+ pgs to review

hahahaha okay don't be deluded. You've been taught history in an echo chamber. Get real lol....

But that's besides the point....i want to tell you something:

Let's take you for example, smart (if we forget the echo chamber), you have that skill that all politicians need, ie articulation of bs to the point the uneducated lap it up, you are by your own words a community organizer, which if i'm not mistaken was Obama's job too prior to presidency.

You could be someone, but you're busting your bros out of (unlawful) jail. This is how the system keeps you down and the sooner you realize it the better it will be. You are literally wasting yourself in what i imagine are heaps of red tape when you go to the county jail. (i assume that's where you go)

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Posted by DeadInside
why this thread still booming

The same reason there is still a civil problem in America.

Everyone has a problem, and ignore actual solutions. Because it's much easier to complain about a problem then to go out and work hard for results. Goes back to what I posted earlier. Everyone wants to change the world, yet no one wants to change themselves. If you can't even change yourself you will never change the world.

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this earth is doomed

Posted by DeadInside
why this thread still booming

The same reason there is still a civil problem in America.

Everyone has a problem, and ignore actual solutions. Because it's much easier to complain about a problem then to go out and work hard for results. Goes back to what I posted earlier. Everyone wants to change the world, yet no one wants to change themselves. If you can't even change yourself you will never change the world.

why this thread still booming