What is Whiteness?

TLDR; Whiteness, within sociology, is defined as a set of characteristics and experiences that are attached to the white race and white skin. In the U.S. and European contexts, whiteness marks ones as normal, belonging, and native, while people in other r
IxionJanuary 9, 2018 11:04pm
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  • Ixion
    Possessor of low-cunning and great dance moves.
    Posted by nikkistar
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    The debate about the civil war being based on slavery or states' rights will forever be split, and another topic that neither side will agree on imo.


    Thats fine but the record is settled @nikkistar...even by most military historians.


    Not really.

    There is an ongoing debate within even historians about that very fact. It is has not been settled at all. I am not trying to argue about this, but subjects like your OP and the civil war will be debated forever, with no real conclusion.


    I heard your opinion i disagree especially considering multiple points of verification even taking into account criticisms... it's not a debate truthfully.


    I often wonder if you would rather fight to be right, then be subjective about something.

    There is not anywhere where you can quote that 100% of historians believe it is based on slavery, same as states' right. It has been debated for 100+ years, and still is. I have taken multiple courses in US history at college levels, and almost everyone agrees that this will forever be debated on because no one agrees 100% . Therefore a definitive answer as to the cause of the civil war, will never be reached.
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    Existence of dissent doesn't mean that the dissent is valid...especially as a result of the overwhelming consensus around this. The loud but frankly small (and arguably misguided) resistance is not representative of the field:

    https://academic.oup.com/jah/article/99/2/415/860501

    The acknowledgment of the facts allows the conversation that we are having around race to be had...the majority of professional historians understand this.
  • nikkistar
    My moral compass acts like its in the Bermuda Triangle
    Posted by Ixion
    Posted by nikkistar
    Posted by Ixion
    Posted by nikkistar
    Posted by Ixion


    The debate about the civil war being based on slavery or states' rights will forever be split, and another topic that neither side will agree on imo.


    Thats fine but the record is settled @nikkistar...even by most military historians.


    Not really.

    There is an ongoing debate within even historians about that very fact. It is has not been settled at all. I am not trying to argue about this, but subjects like your OP and the civil war will be debated forever, with no real conclusion.


    I heard your opinion i disagree especially considering multiple points of verification even taking into account criticisms... it's not a debate truthfully.
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    I often wonder if you would rather fight to be right, then be subjective about something.

    There is not anywhere where you can quote that 100% of historians believe it is based on slavery, same as states' right. It has been debated for 100+ years, and still is. I have taken multiple courses in US history at college levels, and almost everyone agrees that this will forever be debated on because no one agrees 100% . Therefore a definitive answer as to the cause of the civil war, will never be reached.
  • Ixion
    Possessor of low-cunning and great dance moves.
    Posted by nikkistar
    Posted by Ixion
    Posted by nikkistar
    Posted by Ixion


    The debate about the civil war being based on slavery or states' rights will forever be split, and another topic that neither side will agree on imo.


    Thats fine but the record is settled @nikkistar...even by most military historians.


    Not really.

    There is an ongoing debate within even historians about that very fact. It is has not been settled at all. I am not trying to argue about this, but subjects like your OP and the civil war will be debated forever, with no real conclusion.
    click to expand


    I heard your opinion i disagree especially considering multiple points of verification even taking into account criticisms... it's not a debate truthfully.
  • nikkistar
    My moral compass acts like its in the Bermuda Triangle
    Posted by Ixion
    Posted by nikkistar
    Posted by Ixion


    The debate about the civil war being based on slavery or states' rights will forever be split, and another topic that neither side will agree on imo.


    Thats fine but the record is settled @nikkistar...even by most military historians.
    click to expand


    Not really.

    There is an ongoing debate within even historians about that very fact. It is has not been settled at all. I am not trying to argue about this, but subjects like your OP and the civil war will be debated forever, with no real conclusion.
  • Ixion
    Possessor of low-cunning and great dance moves.
    Posted by nikkistar
    Posted by Ixion


    The debate about the civil war being based on slavery or states' rights will forever be split, and another topic that neither side will agree on imo.
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    Thats fine but the record is settled @nikkistar...even by most military historians.
  • Posted by Ixion


    I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time save Slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy Slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or destroy Slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that. What I do about Slavery and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save this Union, and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views. I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty, and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men, everywhere, could be free. Yours,

    A. LINCOLN.


    Will you believe the guy who initiated it or this army dude, the face of the system that by your own admission isn't truthful or just to you?

  • nikkistar
    My moral compass acts like its in the Bermuda Triangle
    Posted by Ixion


    The debate about the civil war being based on slavery or states' rights will forever be split, and another topic that neither side will agree on imo.
  • RedemptionSong
    Pisces sun Virgo moon
    female
    Posted by CancerOnTheCusp
    Posted by Mr_Pinchy
    Posted by CancerOnTheCusp
    Posted by Ixion
    Neo Colonialism which was built on the advantages of the old colonial system and the inequality of wealth caused by it allows whites (using the mechanisms of naked unregulated capitalism (for a few centuries)

    You need to be more careful with your use of terms.
    Merchantilism was the economic system dominant in Europe through the Rennaissance until the 18th century. It was hardly the "naked unregulated capitalism" your statement implies, assuming that you are using "capitalism" as a euphemism for free markets.
    Additionally, you stated that Europe during colonization disrupted the "global eeconomic system". There was no such thing until the industrial revolution and economies began to shift towards the ideas of Smith and Hume.



    Ah dude is full of it. He actually talks as if everywhere were poor innocents that never ever saw war until the evil Yuropean brought it upon them.

    The distortions of history in this thread are treetrunking laughable.



    He is regurgitating what he has been taught.
    I notice a lot of the posts are heavily laden with critical theory pap.
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    I was wondering when you would show up. Now we're only missing DJ and Mr. Firebird. Can you text them? We're taking attendance and we need all our dxp racists accounted for.

    💅

  • Ixion
    Possessor of low-cunning and great dance moves.
  • Posted by Ixion


    No you didn't but you desperately tried to using inelegant opinion.....any way you have 60+ pgs to review


    hahahaha okay don't be deluded. You've been taught history in an echo chamber. Get real lol....

    But that's besides the point....i want to tell you something:

    Let's take you for example, smart (if we forget the echo chamber), you have that skill that all politicians need, ie articulation of bs to the point the uneducated lap it up, you are by your own words a community organizer, which if i'm not mistaken was Obama's job too prior to presidency.

    You could be someone, but you're busting your bros out of (unlawful) jail. This is how the system keeps you down and the sooner you realize it the better it will be. You are literally wasting yourself in what i imagine are heaps of red tape when you go to the county jail. (i assume that's where you go)


  • DeadInside
    they'll bend the knee
    Posted by Soul
    Posted by DeadInside
    why this thread still booming


    The same reason there is still a civil problem in America.

    Everyone has a problem, and ignore actual solutions. Because it's much easier to complain about a problem then to go out and work hard for results. Goes back to what I posted earlier. Everyone wants to change the world, yet no one wants to change themselves. If you can't even change yourself you will never change the world.

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    this earth is doomed
  • Posted by DeadInside
    why this thread still booming


    The same reason there is still a civil problem in America.

    Everyone has a problem, and ignore actual solutions. Because it's much easier to complain about a problem then to go out and work hard for results. Goes back to what I posted earlier. Everyone wants to change the world, yet no one wants to change themselves. If you can't even change yourself you will never change the world.

  • DeadInside
    they'll bend the knee
    why this thread still booming
  • Ixion
    Possessor of low-cunning and great dance moves.
    Posted by Mr_Pinchy
    Posted by Ixion


    That's an opinion. But what we have given you are facts. If you want to debunk em go ahead and try but like we said you have an uphill battle to do so....not that you could....since you know.....the data follows from the factual and historical truth...


    What uphill battle? I debunked the butter out of your history two days ago and then debunked a few others' versions of history too.

    I have a question....why did the US civil war happen?


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    No you didn't but you desperately tried to using inelegant opinion.....any way you have 60+ pgs to review
  • Posted by CancerOnTheCusp

    Yup. If they were truly serious, section 702 should never have been renewed based on what is coming out about the dossier and the abuse of FISA warrants. Makes one wonder who else has been compromised by the use of illegal surv eillance.


    Ya, that's never gonna happen, especially now with the threat of world de-dollarization and the anticipated return of excess dollars back to the US which will cause a spike in inflation and the simultaneous tightening of the FED which will shock the stock market.

    Plebs gotta be kept in check. White, black, yellow, brown, purple....check, check, check....

    One day you will wake up in a police state.

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