What is Whiteness?

Posted by nikkistar

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The debate about the civil war being based on slavery or states' rights will forever be split, and another topic that neither side will agree on imo.

Thats fine but the record is settled @nikkistar...even by most military historians.

Not really.

There is an ongoing debate within even historians about that very fact. It is has not been settled at all. I am not trying to argue about this, but subjects like your OP and the civil war will be debated forever, with no real conclusion.

I heard your opinion i disagree especially considering multiple points of verification even taking into account criticisms... it's not a debate truthfully.

I often wonder if you would rather fight to be right, then be subjective about something.

There is not anywhere where you can quote that 100% of historians believe it is based on slavery, same as states' right. It has been debated for 100+ years, and still is. I have taken multiple courses in US history at college levels, and almost everyone agrees that this will forever be debated on because no one agrees 100% . Therefore a definitive answer as to the cause of the civil war, will never be reached.

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Existence of dissent doesn't mean that the dissent is valid...especially as a result of the overwhelming consensus around this. The loud but frankly small (and arguably misguided) resistance is not representative of the field:

https://academic.oup.com/jah/article/99/2/415/860501

The acknowledgment of the facts allows the conversation that we are having around race to be had...the majority of professional historians understand this.

Posted by Ixion

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Posted by nikkistar

Posted by Ixion

The debate about the civil war being based on slavery or states' rights will forever be split, and another topic that neither side will agree on imo.

Thats fine but the record is settled @nikkistar...even by most military historians.

Not really.

There is an ongoing debate within even historians about that very fact. It is has not been settled at all. I am not trying to argue about this, but subjects like your OP and the civil war will be debated forever, with no real conclusion.

I heard your opinion i disagree especially considering multiple points of verification even taking into account criticisms... it's not a debate truthfully.

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I often wonder if you would rather fight to be right, then be subjective about something.

There is not anywhere where you can quote that 100% of historians believe it is based on slavery, same as states' right. It has been debated for 100+ years, and still is. I have taken multiple courses in US history at college levels, and almost everyone agrees that this will forever be debated on because no one agrees 100% . Therefore a definitive answer as to the cause of the civil war, will never be reached.

Posted by nikkistar

Posted by Ixion

Posted by nikkistar

Posted by Ixion

The debate about the civil war being based on slavery or states' rights will forever be split, and another topic that neither side will agree on imo.

Thats fine but the record is settled @nikkistar...even by most military historians.

Not really.

There is an ongoing debate within even historians about that very fact. It is has not been settled at all. I am not trying to argue about this, but subjects like your OP and the civil war will be debated forever, with no real conclusion.

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I heard your opinion i disagree especially considering multiple points of verification even taking into account criticisms... it's not a debate truthfully.

Posted by Ixion

Posted by nikkistar

Posted by Ixion

The debate about the civil war being based on slavery or states' rights will forever be split, and another topic that neither side will agree on imo.

Thats fine but the record is settled @nikkistar...even by most military historians.

click to expand

Not really.

There is an ongoing debate within even historians about that very fact. It is has not been settled at all. I am not trying to argue about this, but subjects like your OP and the civil war will be debated forever, with no real conclusion.

Posted by nikkistar

Posted by Ixion

The debate about the civil war being based on slavery or states' rights will forever be split, and another topic that neither side will agree on imo.

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Thats fine but the record is settled @nikkistar...even by most military historians.

Posted by Ixion

I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time save Slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy Slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or destroy Slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that. What I do about Slavery and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save this Union, and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views. I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty, and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men, everywhere, could be free. Yours,

A. LINCOLN.

Will you believe the guy who initiated it or this army dude, the face of the system that by your own admission isn't truthful or just to you?

Posted by Ixion

The debate about the civil war being based on slavery or states' rights will forever be split, and another topic that neither side will agree on imo.

Posted by Ixion


No you didn't but you desperately tried to using inelegant opinion.....any way you have 60+ pgs to review

hahahaha okay don't be deluded. You've been taught history in an echo chamber. Get real lol....

But that's besides the point....i want to tell you something:

Let's take you for example, smart (if we forget the echo chamber), you have that skill that all politicians need, ie articulation of bs to the point the uneducated lap it up, you are by your own words a community organizer, which if i'm not mistaken was Obama's job too prior to presidency.

You could be someone, but you're busting your bros out of (unlawful) jail. This is how the system keeps you down and the sooner you realize it the better it will be. You are literally wasting yourself in what i imagine are heaps of red tape when you go to the county jail. (i assume that's where you go)

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Posted by DeadInside
why this thread still booming

The same reason there is still a civil problem in America.

Everyone has a problem, and ignore actual solutions. Because it's much easier to complain about a problem then to go out and work hard for results. Goes back to what I posted earlier. Everyone wants to change the world, yet no one wants to change themselves. If you can't even change yourself you will never change the world.

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this earth is doomed

Posted by DeadInside
why this thread still booming

The same reason there is still a civil problem in America.

Everyone has a problem, and ignore actual solutions. Because it's much easier to complain about a problem then to go out and work hard for results. Goes back to what I posted earlier. Everyone wants to change the world, yet no one wants to change themselves. If you can't even change yourself you will never change the world.

why this thread still booming

Posted by Mr_Pinchy

Posted by Ixion


That's an opinion. But what we have given you are facts. If you want to debunk em go ahead and try but like we said you have an uphill battle to do so....not that you could....since you know.....the data follows from the factual and historical truth...

What uphill battle? I debunked the butter out of your history two days ago and then debunked a few others' versions of history too.

I have a question....why did the US civil war happen?

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No you didn't but you desperately tried to using inelegant opinion.....any way you have 60+ pgs to review

Posted by CancerOnTheCusp

Yup. If they were truly serious, section 702 should never have been renewed based on what is coming out about the dossier and the abuse of FISA warrants. Makes one wonder who else has been compromised by the use of illegal surv eillance.

Ya, that's never gonna happen, especially now with the threat of world de-dollarization and the anticipated return of excess dollars back to the US which will cause a spike in inflation and the simultaneous tightening of the FED which will shock the stock market.

Plebs gotta be kept in check. White, black, yellow, brown, purple....check, check, check....

One day you will wake up in a police state.

Posted by Mr_Pinchy

Everyone focused on it and the OMG horrible implications of it, but in the background, on the down low, the law which warrants surveillance and wire tapping over US citizens wasn't repealed by the House or Senate, forgot which exactly.....which really carries much more sinister applications than Trump's bs. Ppl getting played by the peeps in charge.....

Yup. If they were truly serious, section 702 should never have been renewed based on what is coming out about the dossier and the abuse of FISA warrants. Makes one wonder who else has been compromised by the use of illegal surv eillance.