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That first part of Matthew 18: 6-7 says: "But who so shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me"

What if that little one doesn't believe in him? Is that open territory to defile, then? It says, "which believe in me". I didn't believe in God when I was eight, so in this theory, when I was raped by the babysitter, this is acceptable.

This didn't offend God, because I didn't believe in him. The Bible has a forked tongue, it talks from both sides of the mouth at the same time.

That's like the weather man saying, "It might be clear after it rains this afternoon, which has the possiblity of freezing before turning to all snow." Which one is it?

If the child hasn't been Christened/Baptised, and believes not in Christ - then the person can put their hands on the child in a sexual manner and suffer no consequences . . . Matthew 18:6-7 says so and the Bible is the absolute truth, right?

I understand that every person has their own belief system and I'm not argueing whether or not someone has a right to believe as they choose - my bitch is . . . how can anyone allow theirselves to be so ignorant to faithfully follow only half a sentence. Just pick out the part that sounds good and disregard the rest, like it's not relevant. Does anybody really live thier lives this way? Pick and choose, so you can sleep good at night?

Ok, so the pedophile asshole, picked out the first part of that sentence to believe faithfully, and only put his filthy hands on a child who didn't believe in God - and that man has not offended God.

Who are you, or anybody else to say that the pedophile MUST only listen to how you interpret that passage? Uh?

Still, you can't see the hypocracy? This is the goal of control that james and I were talking about, you know. Keep you blind, so you won't recognize the truth.

Under the Banners of Heaven: A Story of a Violent Faith is a fantastic book by Jon Krakauer on Mormon Fundamentalists who practice polygamy.

"Whoever causes one of these little ones ..."

Is believed to be a reference to the Disciples.

Message posted by: little_sparrow on 7/13/2006 2:27:34 PM ip: xxx.xxx.xxx.16
"Whoever causes one of these little ones ..."

Is believed to be a reference to the Disciples.


I'm not sure what you are meaning by this Little Sparrow.

ARe you saying that ONLY to the disciples that this applies? So, any man who isn't a disciple of Christ does NOT have to obey?

Please clarify, so I can understand.

no no no think in the begianing somebody came up with the Idea of a god no one dare disput so he pulls it off may be the egypitans who knows, then another group or person see it working so he comes up with his god and so on and so on . you have all these religions and not one piece of solid evedence that there is a god.

Eliza, you do realize by now that when I use the term "you", I am talking about everyone, not you specifically.

These views are encapsulating ALL people, not just you. I say "you" because I am talking TO, not about you.

I just wanted to clarify that, so you wouldn't take what I say personally.

Go figure, right james?

Yet, we have all kinds of evidence that UFO's are real, like Area 51. A gathering of 100 more people all see a UFO at the same time and nobody believes them - mass hallucination?

We only believe what we are programmed into believing, the programming coming from whatever source, beit, media, society, gospell

We might as well be robots, droids.

In the story at that point, a child is held up as a model for the disciples who ask who is the greatest in Heaven. The child is the greatest, not because of their supposed innocence, but because of their dependence on their parent. In this way, the disciples are to become dependent on God.

There are a few refernence to the disciples as little one so it is believed he is talking about the Disciples.

The sin in referece is causing someone else to weaken and lose faith. Kind of like knowing your friend is on a diet and offering them a doughnut.

18 8-9 deal with sexual sin. They differ from the first 18 6-7 which deal with causing another person to sin, for they concern the causes oneself to sin and have nothing to do with causing another person to lose faith.

you are wrong. A lot of people, the majorty of people, do not think we are alone. Its the governments that deny the UFO'S not the people. Most people in England know they are for real. Where they come from we don't know, could be other worlds, who knows but we know they are there.

Is believed to be a reference to the Disciples.

ya i agree this scripture is refering to his disciples

Under the Banners of Heaven: A Story of a Violent Faith is a fantastic book by Jon Krakauer on Mormon Fundamentalists who practice polygamy.




thats the book on FLDS ( fundamentalist church of jesus christ).. they are not mormons..

you have all these religions and not one piece of solid evedence that there is a god.


fine.. you give me one solid evidence that there is NO god.. and i will believe you 🙂

P-angel


if you want to learn about mormon beliefs dont read all the anti material coz ofcourse itz going to talk trash about them... if im interested in a religion than i turn to their sacred books and not read anti-literature....

It dives into the history of the Mormon Church and the life of Joseph Smith. It does focuses on the FLDS ... which is a brach of Mormonism although not accepted by mainstream Mormonism today.

The truth is Joseph Smith did believe in a lot of interesting things.

I've no interest in Mormons.

It's doubtful that I even believe in God.

I believe we were put here, most likely by aliens when Maldek exploded and become the asteriod belt we now see where there is a missing planet in our solar system.

'...believe we were put here, most likely by aliens...'


you seriously believe that p-angle— your kidding right—... how can a pisces not believe in God....

The truth is Joseph Smith did believe in a lot of interesting things.


ya he did... well all leaders taught interesting things.. he was no different...

Eliza, I've seen UFO's with my own eyes . . .

Not Aliens, but, their vessels. Besides, it seems more reasonable then a blind leap of faith into something that has no proof. Proof of spacecraft has been proven to me.

On the other hand, I have felt an inner movement, or tremor, vibration, or something that my senses pick up that feels like it's some kind of power, plus, I've seen ghosts. So, there must be something to that too.

This is why I am undecided.

read the true believer by eric hoffman

the true believer has nothing to do with ufo's it has to due with the gullible people those who believe what ever is told to them. They pay no attention to fact they believe what has no base because they want to.

you are right, they are seen all over the world.

we have had a lot of citings and other events here that lead most people to believe. I saw a show on the telly about what happen in Dallas Texas in 1897 where a ufo crashed the people recovered the body from it a reporter wrote an artical about it and he said it was not of this world and they buried it in a local cemtary.

AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

people are goofey

I watched a program not long ago about crop circles and they (don't remember who "they" were) determined that these circles were a sixth theory in math.

It's said that there are only 5 theories, that we know of. Even Einstien had no knowledge of this 6th element, that it is beyond our understanding. But, after intense investigation of these cirlces all over the world, it has finally dawned on our smartest people that there are actually a mathematcial theory. Therefore, it is impossible that humans could be doing them. We just aren't smart enough, even Hawkins isn't bright enough.

So, with this in mind, it HAS to be a form of communication. Makes me think that they WANT to communication with us and are using the simpliest of forms they can use and still they're just too fucking smart for our pea-brains.

Ehehe?.

Mormons?lol?

Mormon (plural: Mormons)

A person who belongs to one of the Christian religious groups related to the religion founded by Joseph Smith, Jr.. This religion founded by Joseph Smith Jr., is known as The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

An American—..of course a Zionist too ?..hehe

From Wiki?

In religious belief they've told us that there will be 3 major assholes around before the end of the day.. Morons? errr.. Mormons are one of those idiots. Next is Jehovah witnesses.


This Joseph dude and his religion is as ridiculous as his predecessors...

A Christianity that doesn't believe in Christianity.. one religion.. one book? 1000 meanings..

Aint that funny..??

A Christianity that doesn't believe in Christianity


how do u know that?? they are very chirstian... i dont know why people have a problem with JW and mormons—... why cant you just be tolerant...just live and let live....

Eliza?

I have my own reason to not accept or respect the mormoms along with JW's and so on..

As long as each man has his own personal code of honour to follow there'll be no need to follow any instructions/scriptures conducted by authorities be it Christian/Muslims/Judaism/Mormons/Jw's/Scientologer?etc.

Do you believe in scientology..?? if may I ask..??

Its really simple?

Book of Mormons has no (independent) archaeological evidences thus can not be trusted.
It?s a white men religion made in USA ?take a Mormons book and study it carefully what you see in their everyday life is just an image, there is a lot beneath that false images.

Like Judaism and their Talmud. Judaism without Talmud has no meaning.

Like Islam and their Sharia. Islam without Sharia has no meaning.


These are not words of GOD.. but words of men.

Back to the Mormons?

? There have been 3,913 changes made to the Book of Mormon since the original 1830 edition.

? Not one piece of independent, non-Mormon archeological evidence supports the Book of Mormon.

? There are 9 versions of the First Vision. They significantly contradict each other on major issues. The last official version was published in Times and Seasons 20 years after the First Vision and contains information which was not in any contemporaneous diaries. This information should have been in numerous contemporaneous diaries due to its significance.

? Old and new archeological discoveries support the Bible. There is zero independent archeological evidence supporting the Book of Mormon.

? The Smithsonian Institution does not use the Book of Mormon for reference. Their statement on this matter is available for the asking.

? Strong historical evidence points to the historical story line of the Book of Mormon being taken from a manuscript written by Solomon Spalding called Manuscript Found, which was missing from the printer in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Sidney Rigdon lived near Pittsburgh and knew the printer, J. Lambdin.

? The Book of Mormon contains some 27,000 words from the King James Bible, approximately 25,000 from the Old Testament and approximately 2,000 from the New Testament. If the King James Bible was published 1,190 years after Moroni buried the gold plates in 621, how did Moroni incorporate the 1611 King James Bible (including two Hebrew to English translation errors) into his gold plates?

? Joseph Smith predicted himself by adding to the King James Translation of the Bible at the end of Genesis (Genesis 50:26) and extending Genesis out to verse 33 in the Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible.


And many more?.

Jesus never said to build the church, where the hell that idea coming from..?? According to Jesus teaching every human has its own temple inside and not outside of his/her body.

Who says that Joseph smith were a prophet.?? If he is a prophet to you then L. Ron Hubbard should be prophet too with his obnoxious religion!

Like I said above?

Christianity that does not believe in Christianity?..same belief as JW's?.


Now you asking me to respect them..?? Why..?? Christianity is based on unity but Mormons wanted to split themselves from the main, question is? are they Christian or something else..??


Logical Conclusion:

? All Mormons agree that the Book of Mormon is the foundation of the Mormon religion.

? All Mormons agree that without the Book of Mormon, there is no basis for the Mormon religion.

? Based on the historical and archaeological facts and evidence, it's clear that the Book of Mormon is a work of fiction, heavily plagiarized from books freely available at the time. In fact, it's simply a rework of a stolen manuscript (Manuscript Found) that was meant to be nothing more than a romantic fiction novel of the American Indians.

? The Book of Mormon is not the translation of an ancient document, regardless of any feelings, emotions, "burning in your bosom," or testimony. "Knowing" that it's true doesn't correlate with the historical and archaeological facts and evidence. Wanting it to be true doesn't change the facts and evidence.

? The Book of Mormon was not from God.



Again...

? "Mormonism, as it is called, must stand or fall on the story of Joseph Smith. He was either a prophet of God, divinely called, properly appointed and commissioned, or he was one of the biggest frauds this world has ever seen. There is no middle ground." Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, Page 188.

And Eliza?

I don?t want to fight against and I agree with you about live and let live doctrine, but truth must be told, weather we like it or not.

? "I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet" (History of the Church, Vol. 6, pp. 408, 409).

? Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: 17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, 19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.



Does it mean he " Joseph Smith" was superior to Jesus.?

Hmmmm?

Little Known Facts about the Mormon Religion:


? FACT #1. The Mormon Church teaches ALL other Churches are WRONG; ALL their creeds are an ABOMINATION in the sight of God; and ALL their teachers are CORRUPT. One of the Mormon Books of scripture, The Pearl of Great Price, says this about non-LDS churches: "...they were ALL WRONG; and the Personage who addressed me said that ALL their creeds were an ABOMINATION in his sight; that those professors were ALL CORRUPT;. . ." (Joseph Smith, 2:19)

? FACT #2. Mormonism teaches there is no salvation outside the Mormon Church and no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. Apostle Bruce R. McConkie makes this statement: "If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation. There is no salvation outside The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." (Mormon Doctrine, p.670) The Bible, on the other hand, teaches salvation is in Jesus alone; "Neither is there salvation in any other [Jesus]: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." (Acts 4:12)

? FACT #3. Mormons are taught to doubt the reliability of the Bible and their leaders have consistently attacked its accuracy. Joseph Smith claimed: "... it was apparent that many important points touching the salvation of men, had been taken from the Bible, or lost before it was compiled." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.10) The Bible answers this attack: "The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand forever." (Isaiah 40:8)

? FACT #4. A basic tenant in Mormonism today is that Jesus Christ is the brother of Satan. Milton R. Hunter explains it like this: "The appointment of Jesus to be the Savior of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God. He was called Lucifer,. . .this spirit-brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the Savior of mankind." (The Gospel Through The Ages, p.15) Nowhere in the Bible does it indicate that Lucifer attempted to become the Savior: In fact, Jesus created Satan, so they can't be brothers. Colossians 1:16 indicates that Jesus created "all things," whether "in heaven," or "in earth, visible or invisible."

? FACT #5. Mormonism continues to teach that God the Father is a glorified, resurrected Man, and men and women may become Gods and Goddesses. Apostle Bruce R. McConkie makes this claim: "God himself, the Father of us all, is a glorified, exalted, immortal, resurrected Man!" (Mormon Doctrine, p. 643) Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism taught: "...you have to learn how to be Gods ourselves...the same as all Gods have done before you,..." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 346) The Lord Himself answers this teachings by pronouncing: "...I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God." (Isaiah 44:6)

? FACT #6. Mormons consider Polygamy a righteous principle which will be practiced in heaven. Although there is nothing in the Bible that will support this thinking, current Mormon scripture has this to say: "...if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse another, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no adultery. . . . And if he have TEN VIRGINS given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery. . . ." (Doctrine and Covenants 132:61,62)

? FACT #7. Mormons today believe God the Father is married and past leaders have taught both God the Father and Jesus Christ are polygamists. Apostle Orson Pratt makes these unbelievable statements: "...the great Messiah who was the founder of the Christian religion, was a Polygamist. . . .the Messiah chose to take upon himself his seed; and by marrying many honorable wives himself, show to all future generations that he approbated the plurality of Wives under the Christian dispensation. . . .God the Father had a plurality of wives....the Son followed the example of his Father....both God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ inherit their wives in eternity as well as in time;..." (The Seer, p. 172) Nowhere in the Bible does it indicate that God the Father and Jesus Christ are married or polygamists.

? FACT #8. The majority of the activity in the Mormon Temples is work done in behalf of the DEAD. Joseph Smith offers this explanation: "The greatest responsibility in this world that God has laid upon us is to seek after our DEAD." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 356). Although many Mormons are attempting to save their dead relatives, the Bible indicates: "None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him." (Psalms 49:7)

? FACT #9. To the Mormon, the ultimate test that Mormonism is true is an "inner feeling." Mormons often refer to this feeling as a "burning in the bosom." They believe their scripture (Doctrine and Covenants 9:8) gives the best test for determining truth. This test reads: ". . .study it out in your mind; then you must ask me [the Lord] if it be right, and if it is right I will cause that your bosom shall burn within you; therefore, you shall FEEL that it is right." The Bible, on the other hand, tell us: "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." (II Timothy 2:15)

? FACT #10. Mormon leaders demand total obedience regardless whether they are right or wrong. The ward teacher's message for June, 1945, stated: "When our leaders speak, the thinking has been done. When they propose a plan--it is God's plan. When they point the way, there is no other which is safe. When they give direction, it should mark the end of controversy. God works in no other way. To think otherwise, without immediate repentance, may cost one his faith, may destroy his testimony, and leave him a stranger to the kingdom of God." (Improvement Era, June 1945, p. 354) Herber C. Kimball, First Councilor to Brigham Young, clarifies further: "But if you are told by your leader to do a thing, do it. None of your business whether it is right or wrong." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.32) The Bible warns us in I John 4:1: "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."

? FACT #11. Mormon leaders have consistently attacked the Biblical doctrine of Salvation by God's Grace through Faith alone. In Apostle James Talmage's book, The Articles of Faith, twice he refers to justification by Faith alone as a "pernicious doctrine," and further declares: "The Sectarian Dogma of Justification by Faith Alone has exercised an influence for evil." (pp. 107,480) The Bible responds: "Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ."

? FACT #12. Mormon Apostle Bruce R. McConkie has warned his people against a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus. McConkie made these shocking statements at a speech given at BYU. "...gaining a special, personal relationship with Christ that is both improper and perilous. . . . Now, I know that some may be offended and the counsel that they should not strive for

for a special and personal relationship with Christ. . . .But you been warned, and you have heard the true doctrine taught." (Church News, week ending March 20, 1982, p.5) In opposition to this, Jesus gives us a personal invitation: "Come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest." (Matthew 11:28)

? FACT #13. Joseph Smith founder of the Mormon Church, boasted of doing a greater "work" than the Lord Jesus. Joseph Smith made this incredible boast: "I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet." (History of the Church, Volume 6, Chapter 19, Page 408) No true Prophet of God ever spoke such words as these.

? FACT #14. In 1835 Joseph Smith prophesied concerning the coming of the Lord. At a meeting called by Joseph Smith he instructed the Latter day Saints that it was "the will of God" to go forth and "prune the vineyard for the last time, or the coming of the Lord, which was nigh even fifty six years should wind up the scene." (History of the Church, vol. 2, p. 182) Eight years later he reinforced this by stating: "I prophesy in the name of the Lord God, and let it be written; the Son of Man will not come in the clouds of heaven till I am eighty five years old." (History of the Church, vol.5, p. 336)

? FACT #15. Mormons are taught to "shake hands" with a messenger to determine if he is from God or if he is the devil. The following information is found in Mormon scripture: "When a messenger comes saying he has a message from God, offer him your hand and request him to shake hands with you. If he be an angle he will do so, and you will feel his hand. . . .If it be the devil as an angel of light, when you ask him to shake hands he will offer you his hand, and you will not feel anything; you may therefore detect him." (Doctrine and Covenants 129:4,5,8) Rather that trusting in "feelings" the Bible commands us to "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."

? FACT #16. Brigham Young claimed that these who leave the Mormon Church would turn "wrinkled" and "black." The following curse was pronounced by Brigham Young: ". . .but let them apostatize, and they will become gray-haired, wrinkled, and black, just like the Devil." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 5, p. 332) There have been tens of thousands of people leave the Mormon Church -- Where are the "black and wrinkled" ones?

? FACT #17. Joseph Smith taught the moon was inhabited by people who dressed like Quakers and lived to be about 1000 years old. In the Mormon publication, The Young Woman's Journal, pp. 263 & 264, O.B. Huntington gives this interesting information: "As far back as 1837, I know that he [Joseph Smith] said the moon was inhabited by men and women the same as this earth, and that they lived to a greater age than we do -- that they live generally to near the age of 1000 years. He [Smith] described the men as averaging near six feet in height, and dressing quite uniformly in something near the Quaker style ." Now that man has walked on the Moon, there can be no doubt that there aren't any 6 foot tall Quakers roaming its surface.

Matt 24:23-25, New Living Translation: "Then if anyone tells you, `Look, here is the Messiah,' or `There he is,' don't pay any attention. For false messiahs and false prophets will rise up and perform great miraculous signs and wonders so as to deceive, if possible, even God's chosen ones. See, I have warned you."

Now? suit yourself

peace

Neither Paul, John, Peter nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I.


hahahahahaha..... joseph smith was a typical capricorn 😛😛 =wiht the 'ME, ME and ONLY ME attitude' 😛😛

Does it mean he " Joseph Smith" was superior to Jesus.?


come on alot of people brag and JS was imperfect... i dont care if he was a prophet or not......maybe he was.. maybe not.. let God judge... i persoanlly have nothing against any the mormons or any other religion as long as they arent fanatics

ALL their creeds were an ABOMINATION in his sight; that those professors were ALL CORRUPT;. .



well thats true... isnt it—? look at all the churches, they call them self Christains and yet they cant stand other 'christian' sects—? thats VERY christlike 😛😛😛

that Jesus Christ is the brother of Satan.


ofcourse we dont believe that coz we arent mormons but it says so in their holy scripture, pearl of great price, which according to them was written by father abraham while he was in Egypt 🙂

"...gaining a special, personal relationship with Christ that is both improper and perilous. . . . Now, I know that some may be offended and the counsel that they should not strive for


hwat the HEXK— thats false doctrine... you definitely got that off from an anti mormon site who are just playing with bruce's words... i'll have to check on that.... coz i know mormons are contantly encouraged and taught to have a personal relationship with god...

this is all CRAP that these anti mormons have written.... BS... complete BS

Mormon Temples is work done in behalf of the DEAD.






paul talks about the work for the dead... even early christinas did work on behalf of the dead....they were baptized for the dead....

'Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?' (1 Corinthians 15:29)


ya ya i know there are alot on controversies on that... but people interpret the scriptures the way they want to 🙂

God the Father and Jesus Christ are married or polygamists.


i really hope they arent 😢😢... but what if they are—? itz a mystery.. the bible doesnt touch alot of topics....