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David Briscoe and George Buck refer to June 9, 1978 as "Black Friday" because this was the day that Mormon leaders announced the death of the anti-black doctrine (see Utah Holiday, July 1978, page 33). Prior to that time blacks of African lineage were not allowed to hold the Priesthood nor go through the temple even though they lived exemplary lives. The Mormon position concerning blacks was clearly stated in a letter written by the First Presidency on July 17, 1947:
"From the days of the Prophet Joseph even until now, it has been the doctrine of the Church, never questioned by any of the Church leaders, that the Negroes are not entitled to the full blessings of the Gospel." (Letter from the First Presidency, quoted in Mormonism and the Negro, by John J. Stewart and William E. Berrett, pp.46-47)
Bruce R. McConkie, who now serves as an Apostle in the Mormon Church, wrote the following in a book published in 1958:
"Negroes in this life are denied the priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty. The gospel message of salvation is not carried affirmatively to them...
"Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain spiritual blessings are concerned..." (Mormon Doctrine, 1958, page 477)
In the July 1978 issue of the Salt Lake City Messenger we pointed out that in the past Mormon leaders have taught that the doctrine could not be changed. President Brigham Young, for instance, emphatically affirmed that blacks could not hold the Priesthood until AFTER the resurrection:
Don?t believe it..?? read the rest
http://www.xmission.com/~country/reason/black_2.htm<BR>
"From the days of the Prophet Joseph even until now, it has been the doctrine of the Church, never questioned by any of the Church leaders, that the Negroes are not entitled to the full blessings of the Gospel." (Letter from the First Presidency, quoted in Mormonism and the Negro, by John J. Stewart and William E. Berrett, pp.46-47)
Bruce R. McConkie, who now serves as an Apostle in the Mormon Church, wrote the following in a book published in 1958:
"Negroes in this life are denied the priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty. The gospel message of salvation is not carried affirmatively to them...
"Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain spiritual blessings are concerned..." (Mormon Doctrine, 1958, page 477)
In the July 1978 issue of the Salt Lake City Messenger we pointed out that in the past Mormon leaders have taught that the doctrine could not be changed. President Brigham Young, for instance, emphatically affirmed that blacks could not hold the Priesthood until AFTER the resurrection:
Don?t believe it..?? read the rest
http://www.xmission.com/~country/reason/black_2.htm<BR>
ya i know people call LDS racists... yes they didnt give the priesthood to Blacks back then and they had an explanation for that...( they say they come from the seed of cain who was cursed)... but ya whatever the reasons it was a racist thing to do but then all religions treated blacks bad back then.....LDS arent the only ones...
"Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain spiritual blessings are concerned..."
i've read that before and totally disagree with it....
i've read that before and totally disagree with it....
Brigham Young, for instance, emphatically affirmed that blacks could not hold the Priesthood until AFTER the resurrection:
i have to admit, Brigham young was a racist...
i have to admit, Brigham young was a racist...
Hitler said the same about Jews and the whole world gone mad at him?
Now why support the same stuff I the name of religion ??
Now why support the same stuff I the name of religion ??
but thats the history ...... Today the mormons give the priesthood to every guy regardess of his race/ skin color or whatever....
I told you.. behind that false smiling image of Mormons there is an ugly face ?!
Now why support the same stuff I the name of religion ??
i dont know... im not otlerating it but do you know how many BLACK people are mormons—?
and infact back in joseph smith's time i rememeber i read somewhere that they made an exception and gave a black guy the priesthood coz he was a very righteous man 🙂
i dont know... im not otlerating it but do you know how many BLACK people are mormons—?
and infact back in joseph smith's time i rememeber i read somewhere that they made an exception and gave a black guy the priesthood coz he was a very righteous man 🙂
o ya and one more thing.. all these leaders and prophets are just Imperfect men... they always have their own opinions which they say is thw ill of the lord... if something doesnt make sense to me i DONT blindly follow 🙂
thw ill
the Will of God
the Will of God
" and infact back in joseph smith's time i rememeber i read somewhere that they made an exception and gave a black guy the priesthood coz he was a very righteous man"
What an honour?? they've made an exception..!! jee? wow?.
And no I haven?t met any Mormon black guys in Norway.. with all their missionary stuff?. Every one I met (passing by) were young American white guy so far?.
What an honour?? they've made an exception..!! jee? wow?.
And no I haven?t met any Mormon black guys in Norway.. with all their missionary stuff?. Every one I met (passing by) were young American white guy so far?.
And no I haven?t met any Mormon black guys in Norway.. with all their missionary stuff?. Every one I met (passing by) were young American white guy so far?.
well you have to be in the states to see Black mormons... let me see if i can find any pixxx 😛😛 ...
well you have to be in the states to see Black mormons... let me see if i can find any pixxx 😛😛 ...
Well? they maybe prophets and leaders to some?. I respect that, but to me they all are bunch of impostors digging for their benefits?.
Ron Hubbard and his UFO's, JS with his man on the moon stuff and so on?
Ron Hubbard and his UFO's, JS with his man on the moon stuff and so on?
Those pictures wont help any Eliza?. A leopard never change its spots?!Pay attention please.
"There have been 3,913 changes made to the Book of Mormon since the original 1830 edition."
176 years and 3,913 changes?.. make any sense..?? like you say something and editing what you've said later on, is that something that people should trust it as a religion..??
"There have been 3,913 changes made to the Book of Mormon since the original 1830 edition."
176 years and 3,913 changes?.. make any sense..?? like you say something and editing what you've said later on, is that something that people should trust it as a religion..??
But I admire your persistencies on this subject
what the mormons have to say about the changes:
' "It is true that when the Book of Mormon was printed the printer was a man who was unfriendly. The publication of the book was done under adverse circumstances, and there were a few errors, mostly typographical - conditions that arise in most any book that is being published - but there was not one thing in the Book of Mormon or in the second edition or any other edition since that in any way contradicts the first edition, and such changes as were made were made by the Prophet Joseph Smith because under those adverse conditions the Book of Mormon was published. But there was no change of doctrine.
"Now, these Sons of Belial who circulate these reports evidently know better. I will not use the word that is in my mind." (The Improvement Era, December, 1961, pp. 924-925)
the famous Mormon Historian B. H. Roberts has already stated that the first edition of the Book of Mormon was "singularly free from typographical errors" and that the printer could not be blamed for the many mistakes that are found in the Book of Mormon:
"That errors of grammar and faults in dictation do exist in the Book of Mormon (and more especially and abundantly in the first edition) must be conceded; and what is more, while some of the errors may be referred to inefficient proof-reading, such as is to be expected in a country printing establishment, yet such is the nature of the errors in question, and so interwoven are they throughout the diction of the Book, that they may not be disposed of by saying they result from inefficient proof-reading or referring them to the mischievous disposition of the 'typos' or the unfriendliness of the publishing house. The errors are constitutional in their character; they are of the web and woof of the style , and not such errors as may be classed as typographical. Indeed, the first edition of the Book of Mormon is SINGULARLY FREE FROM TYPOGRAPHICAL ERRORS." (Defense of the Faith, by B. H. Roberts, pp. 280-281; reprinted in A New Witness For Christ in America, by Francis W. Kirkham, Vol. 1, pp. 200-201)
' "It is true that when the Book of Mormon was printed the printer was a man who was unfriendly. The publication of the book was done under adverse circumstances, and there were a few errors, mostly typographical - conditions that arise in most any book that is being published - but there was not one thing in the Book of Mormon or in the second edition or any other edition since that in any way contradicts the first edition, and such changes as were made were made by the Prophet Joseph Smith because under those adverse conditions the Book of Mormon was published. But there was no change of doctrine.
"Now, these Sons of Belial who circulate these reports evidently know better. I will not use the word that is in my mind." (The Improvement Era, December, 1961, pp. 924-925)
the famous Mormon Historian B. H. Roberts has already stated that the first edition of the Book of Mormon was "singularly free from typographical errors" and that the printer could not be blamed for the many mistakes that are found in the Book of Mormon:
"That errors of grammar and faults in dictation do exist in the Book of Mormon (and more especially and abundantly in the first edition) must be conceded; and what is more, while some of the errors may be referred to inefficient proof-reading, such as is to be expected in a country printing establishment, yet such is the nature of the errors in question, and so interwoven are they throughout the diction of the Book, that they may not be disposed of by saying they result from inefficient proof-reading or referring them to the mischievous disposition of the 'typos' or the unfriendliness of the publishing house. The errors are constitutional in their character; they are of the web and woof of the style , and not such errors as may be classed as typographical. Indeed, the first edition of the Book of Mormon is SINGULARLY FREE FROM TYPOGRAPHICAL ERRORS." (Defense of the Faith, by B. H. Roberts, pp. 280-281; reprinted in A New Witness For Christ in America, by Francis W. Kirkham, Vol. 1, pp. 200-201)
they have a very interesting explanation for the changes which makes sense to people 🙂
thats the site: http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/3913intro.htm
thats the site: http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/3913intro.htm
The Mormon Church teaches the following:
1) There are many Gods and that people (some of us for example) can progress to become Gods and Goddesses. (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, by Joseph Fielding Smith, pp. 349, 370, 373; Gospel Principles, by the Mormon Church, 1986 and older editions, pp.190-191; Achieving A Celestial Marriage, by the Mormon Church, pp.129-132; History of the Church, 6:306 (Vol 6, page 306); Teachings of the Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, pp. 28, 51-53.)
2) Those who become Gods will each have his own world and with his wife (wives?) procreate spirits who will be raised to maturity and go into bodies on the new world. These new people will worship those who procreated their spirits, in the same way we worship God the Father. (Gospel Principles, by the Mormon Church, 1986 and older editions, pp. 9, 190-191.)
3) God the Father has a father. He was once a man like us who died and was resurrected as part of his progressing to godhood. He has a body of flesh and bones. The Father, Son and Holy Ghost are three separate Gods. (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, by Joseph Fielding Smith, pp. 345-347, 370; Mormon Doctrine, by Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, pp. 321, 576-577, 589; Doctrine and Covenants 130:22; "The Restoration of Major Doctrines Through Joseph Smith," The Ensign, January 1989, p. 28; Doctrines of the Gospel, Student Manual, Religion 231 and 232, p. 7.)
4) Jesus Christ is our elder brother, the first spirit born to God the Father and Mother in Heaven. His physical body was conceived physically by the Father and his earthly mother, Mary, just as ours was by our parents. This was part of Jesus Christ's progression to become a God. Mormon doctrine also teaches that Jesus Christ and Lucifer are spirit brothers, both were born of God the Father and Mother in Heaven and raised to maturity in a pre-mortal pre-existence. (Gospel Principles, by the Mormon Church, 1986 and older editions, pp.15-16; Mormon Doctrine, by Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, pp. 192, 546-547, 589-590, 742; Gospel Through The Ages, Milton R. Hunter, p. 15; "The Restoration of Major Doctrines Through Joseph Smith," The Ensign, January 1989, p. 28-29; "Whom Say Ye That I Am", Family Home Evening Manual, published by the Mormon Church, 1972, pp. 125-126.)
1) There are many Gods and that people (some of us for example) can progress to become Gods and Goddesses. (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, by Joseph Fielding Smith, pp. 349, 370, 373; Gospel Principles, by the Mormon Church, 1986 and older editions, pp.190-191; Achieving A Celestial Marriage, by the Mormon Church, pp.129-132; History of the Church, 6:306 (Vol 6, page 306); Teachings of the Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, pp. 28, 51-53.)
2) Those who become Gods will each have his own world and with his wife (wives?) procreate spirits who will be raised to maturity and go into bodies on the new world. These new people will worship those who procreated their spirits, in the same way we worship God the Father. (Gospel Principles, by the Mormon Church, 1986 and older editions, pp. 9, 190-191.)
3) God the Father has a father. He was once a man like us who died and was resurrected as part of his progressing to godhood. He has a body of flesh and bones. The Father, Son and Holy Ghost are three separate Gods. (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, by Joseph Fielding Smith, pp. 345-347, 370; Mormon Doctrine, by Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, pp. 321, 576-577, 589; Doctrine and Covenants 130:22; "The Restoration of Major Doctrines Through Joseph Smith," The Ensign, January 1989, p. 28; Doctrines of the Gospel, Student Manual, Religion 231 and 232, p. 7.)
4) Jesus Christ is our elder brother, the first spirit born to God the Father and Mother in Heaven. His physical body was conceived physically by the Father and his earthly mother, Mary, just as ours was by our parents. This was part of Jesus Christ's progression to become a God. Mormon doctrine also teaches that Jesus Christ and Lucifer are spirit brothers, both were born of God the Father and Mother in Heaven and raised to maturity in a pre-mortal pre-existence. (Gospel Principles, by the Mormon Church, 1986 and older editions, pp.15-16; Mormon Doctrine, by Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, pp. 192, 546-547, 589-590, 742; Gospel Through The Ages, Milton R. Hunter, p. 15; "The Restoration of Major Doctrines Through Joseph Smith," The Ensign, January 1989, p. 28-29; "Whom Say Ye That I Am", Family Home Evening Manual, published by the Mormon Church, 1972, pp. 125-126.)
5) The Holy Ghost is a personage of spirit, and as the Father and Son, is not omnipresent (all places at one time). (Gospel Principles, by the Mormon Church, 1986 and older editions, p. 34; Doctrines of Salvation, by Joseph Fielding Smith, 1:38, 49-50; Doctrines of the Gospel, Student Manual, Religion 231 and 232, pp. 8, 11; Doctrine and Covenants 130:22.)
6) Jesus Christ atoned for the sins of mankind in the Garden of Gethsemane, not on the cross alone. (Gospel Principles, by the Mormon Church, 1986 and older editions, p. 58.)
7) The grace of God and attaining exaltation in the highest level of the Celestial Kingdom only comes by works, not as a free gift from God (as in Ephesians 2:8-9). (2 Nephi 9:23, 25;23; Moroni 10:32; #3 Articles of Faith; Gospel Principles, by the Mormon Church, 1986 and older editions, p. 291-292; Mormon Doctrine, by Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, pp. 339-671.)
8) The Bible has been tampered with, parts removed and parts changed, so it is not reliable, as a result additional scriptures are needed. (Doctrines of Salvation, by Joseph Fielding Smith, 3:190-191; 1 Nephi 13:26-29; 2 Nephi 29:2-3, 6-8; Church News, June 20, 1992, p. 3, a letter from the first presidency of May 22, 1992; The Ensign, January 1992, p. 5.)
9) There was a great and total apostasy of the Church established by our Lord Jesus Christ shortly after he died and that truths lost needed to be restored, as done through Joseph Smith. (Gospel Principles, by the Mormon Church, 1986 and older editions, p. 100-101; Mormon Doctrine, by Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, p. 44; Doctrines of Salvation, by Joseph Fielding Smith, 3:265-291.)
Dose this look like a Grammatical/typographical failures to you?.??
6) Jesus Christ atoned for the sins of mankind in the Garden of Gethsemane, not on the cross alone. (Gospel Principles, by the Mormon Church, 1986 and older editions, p. 58.)
7) The grace of God and attaining exaltation in the highest level of the Celestial Kingdom only comes by works, not as a free gift from God (as in Ephesians 2:8-9). (2 Nephi 9:23, 25;23; Moroni 10:32; #3 Articles of Faith; Gospel Principles, by the Mormon Church, 1986 and older editions, p. 291-292; Mormon Doctrine, by Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, pp. 339-671.)
8) The Bible has been tampered with, parts removed and parts changed, so it is not reliable, as a result additional scriptures are needed. (Doctrines of Salvation, by Joseph Fielding Smith, 3:190-191; 1 Nephi 13:26-29; 2 Nephi 29:2-3, 6-8; Church News, June 20, 1992, p. 3, a letter from the first presidency of May 22, 1992; The Ensign, January 1992, p. 5.)
9) There was a great and total apostasy of the Church established by our Lord Jesus Christ shortly after he died and that truths lost needed to be restored, as done through Joseph Smith. (Gospel Principles, by the Mormon Church, 1986 and older editions, p. 100-101; Mormon Doctrine, by Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, p. 44; Doctrines of Salvation, by Joseph Fielding Smith, 3:265-291.)
Dose this look like a Grammatical/typographical failures to you?.??
Qbone,
who wud mind changes like these—😛😛😛
"... These last records ... shall make known to all kindreds, tongues, and people, that the Lamb of God is the Eternal Father and the Savior ... " (Book of Mormon, 1830 edition, page 32)
In the 1964 edition it reads as follows:
"... These last records ... shall make known to all kindreds, tongues, and people, that the Lamb of God is the Son of the Eternal Father, and the Savior ..." (Book of Mormon, 1964 edition, 1 Nephi 13:40)
who wud mind changes like these—😛😛😛
"... These last records ... shall make known to all kindreds, tongues, and people, that the Lamb of God is the Eternal Father and the Savior ... " (Book of Mormon, 1830 edition, page 32)
In the 1964 edition it reads as follows:
"... These last records ... shall make known to all kindreds, tongues, and people, that the Lamb of God is the Son of the Eternal Father, and the Savior ..." (Book of Mormon, 1964 edition, 1 Nephi 13:40)
Jesus Christ atoned for the sins of mankind in the Garden of Gethsemane, not on the cross alone.
thats true.... he bled from every pore in gethsemane.. so ya he felt the load in the garden of gethsemane...
thats true.... he bled from every pore in gethsemane.. so ya he felt the load in the garden of gethsemane...
Qbone,
whats anti-christian in mormon beliefs?? they sound very christain to me ... you proved it with your posts 🙂
whats anti-christian in mormon beliefs?? they sound very christain to me ... you proved it with your posts 🙂
I haven't said that they are anti-Christian?.. !
ya you didnt say that but you said they are not christains 🙂
define a christian ?? a person who follows christ.... so that makes them very chirstian 🙂
define a christian ?? a person who follows christ.... so that makes them very chirstian 🙂
Well? since you ask, care to explain this?
? Brigham Young said that the "Christian God is the Mormon's Devil..." (Journal of Discourses, Volume 5, page 331).
? John Taylor said that Christianity was "hatched in hell" (Journal of Discourses, Volume 6, page 176) and "a perfect pack of nonsense...the Devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work..." (Journal of Discourses, Volume 6, page 167).
? Bruce R. McConkie said, "What is the church of the devil in our day, and where is the seat of her power?.... It is all of the systems, both Christian and non-Christian, that perverted the pure and perfect gospel.... It is communism; it is Islam; it is Buddhism; it is modern Christianity in all its parts. It is Germany under Hitler, Russia under Stalin, and Italy under Mussolini." (The Millennial Messiah, pp. 54-55.)
According to these statements above what ever they are, they are not Christian, tell me how many Christ do we have..??
? Brigham Young said that the "Christian God is the Mormon's Devil..." (Journal of Discourses, Volume 5, page 331).
? John Taylor said that Christianity was "hatched in hell" (Journal of Discourses, Volume 6, page 176) and "a perfect pack of nonsense...the Devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work..." (Journal of Discourses, Volume 6, page 167).
? Bruce R. McConkie said, "What is the church of the devil in our day, and where is the seat of her power?.... It is all of the systems, both Christian and non-Christian, that perverted the pure and perfect gospel.... It is communism; it is Islam; it is Buddhism; it is modern Christianity in all its parts. It is Germany under Hitler, Russia under Stalin, and Italy under Mussolini." (The Millennial Messiah, pp. 54-55.)
According to these statements above what ever they are, they are not Christian, tell me how many Christ do we have..??
See? communism again?.! Use of the words to suppress all other the ideas about a single entity called GOD in their benefits?.
Again?.
I am not against Mormons or any other belief system? as I said it earlier.. if a human is happy with what he/she believe so be it? whether is Mormons or Muslims or Christianity or whatever?.
I am not against Mormons or any other belief system? as I said it earlier.. if a human is happy with what he/she believe so be it? whether is Mormons or Muslims or Christianity or whatever?.
i'll get back to you in a bit...🙂
Brigham Young said that the "Christian God is the Mormon's Devil..." (Journal of Discourses, Volume 5, page 331).
? John Taylor said that Christianity was "hatched in hell" (Journal of Discourses, Volume 6, page 176) and "a perfect pack of nonsense...the Devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work..." (Journal of Discourses, Volume 6, page 167).
? Bruce R. McConkie said, "What is the church of the devil in our day, and where is the seat of her power?.... It is all of the systems, both Christian and non-Christian, that perverted the pure and perfect gospel.... It is communism; it is Islam; it is Buddhism; it is modern Christianity in all its parts. It is Germany under Hitler, Russia under Stalin, and Italy under Mussolini." (The Millennial Messiah, pp. 54-55.)
the problem is that these people quote only a part of what these men said and not te whole thing....LOL... how pathetic...
BY by sayin' "Christian God is the Mormon's Devil..." meant that mormons dont believe in a God whose a a 'ball of light' but hes a perfect being who has feelings and we are made in his image.....
? John Taylor said that Christianity was "hatched in hell" (Journal of Discourses, Volume 6, page 176) and "a perfect pack of nonsense...the Devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work..." (Journal of Discourses, Volume 6, page 167).
? Bruce R. McConkie said, "What is the church of the devil in our day, and where is the seat of her power?.... It is all of the systems, both Christian and non-Christian, that perverted the pure and perfect gospel.... It is communism; it is Islam; it is Buddhism; it is modern Christianity in all its parts. It is Germany under Hitler, Russia under Stalin, and Italy under Mussolini." (The Millennial Messiah, pp. 54-55.)
the problem is that these people quote only a part of what these men said and not te whole thing....LOL... how pathetic...
BY by sayin' "Christian God is the Mormon's Devil..." meant that mormons dont believe in a God whose a a 'ball of light' but hes a perfect being who has feelings and we are made in his image.....
Qbone,
if you are not a mormon you wont understand their talks.. they werent meant for us.... all these surmons were for the mormons coz only they know what their leaders were talkin about... ( i dont get them, neither do you nor other christians) Mormon's perspective of seeing things is different from us... and only they can understand what their leader meant when he said this or that.... us christains like to interpret their talks the way we want to but that doesnt make it reality 🙂
if you are not a mormon you wont understand their talks.. they werent meant for us.... all these surmons were for the mormons coz only they know what their leaders were talkin about... ( i dont get them, neither do you nor other christians) Mormon's perspective of seeing things is different from us... and only they can understand what their leader meant when he said this or that.... us christains like to interpret their talks the way we want to but that doesnt make it reality 🙂
from EX Mormons to start with
been to their site... pretty much like all the other anti sites....
i dont care what they think of mormons... everyday 100s of people leave catholism, hinduism, islam, mormonism, JW coz they feel they arent right....to each his own.... whatever floats their boat....
been to their site... pretty much like all the other anti sites....
i dont care what they think of mormons... everyday 100s of people leave catholism, hinduism, islam, mormonism, JW coz they feel they arent right....to each his own.... whatever floats their boat....
Well....there is DNA proof disqualifying links between native americans to the middle east,the closest race in dna similiarities we share is with asians-that one has proof and its not just natives and jews "saying" or "believing" its not true due to mormoms.Its the blood bank testers noticing they can tell the differences in races blood that proved it false.Thats my native american view.You don't like the muslims cause they "beat" women,I don't like mormons cause it involves my race and culture falsely.I know how my culture works alot better than they ever will by reading that crap and it closes them off from ever learning the truth.In turn causing intolerance in themselves when we don't live up to thier expectations😉
all B.S.
all B.S.
everything is BS for ya.......
everything is BS for ya.......
no just this thread
REALLY?? only this thread?? 😛😛😛
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hahahahahaha... thanx for the warning Qbone 😛😛....but i dont blindly follow people, i use my common sense 😛😛😛