@eliza0012
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From Eliza - I?ve been thinkin? about this a lot lately?.. after readin ? Da Vinci code? and watchin? da movie a lot of people around me have been troubled with this question.. ?was Jesus Christ really married—? I don?t understand why does that bother people a lot?? Even if he was married? so wat?? Does that matter?? Does that make him less divine?? Does marriage make him less God and more Human? NO it sure doesnt!!!
?Hi Eliza'...The Davinchi code is just another attempt by the forces of evil to deceive humanity.
Why is it people, are so ready to listen to what other people say about the bible, Jesus and God himself,
without reading it for themselves? ( Speaking of humanity as a whole), not pointing my finger at you when I say that.
?The Lord makes it clear that His word is complete. yet humanity always wants to add or take away from it.
They just can't accept it as what it is. In doing so, they call God a liar.
Everyone is so quick to believe the opinions and claims of people, yet never see if it lines up with scripture.
This should be the basis for the truth, not what people claim to have or seen.
? Ephesians 4:14 that we may no longer be children, tossed back and forth and carried about with every wind of doctrine,
by the trickery of men, in craftiness, after the wiles of error. 18 being darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardening of their hearts.
? Nowhere in scripture does it say anything about Jesus marrying anyone.
God says His word is complete, yet people are always trying to add to it, claiming to have some knew information.
? The Davinci code is a farce, plain and simple. Yep, Just another grandios deception, with no proof.
Why would God create a Male and a Female?? Is that because there?s a God and also a Goddess?
? The bible only speaks of God the father, Jesus, the son, and the HolySpirit,...
There is no such thing as a goddess in God's kingdom. Satan's yes,...God's no.
It sure does make me think? why wouldn?t god just make men??....
if God is our father in heaven, then do we also have a mother in heaven—
? Again, God, Jesus Christ, The HolySpirit,...That's all folks ( :
? God created male and female because they are a reflection of his image and personality.
Both male and Female reflect some of his attributes. Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.
De
?Hi Eliza'...The Davinchi code is just another attempt by the forces of evil to deceive humanity.
Why is it people, are so ready to listen to what other people say about the bible, Jesus and God himself,
without reading it for themselves? ( Speaking of humanity as a whole), not pointing my finger at you when I say that.
?The Lord makes it clear that His word is complete. yet humanity always wants to add or take away from it.
They just can't accept it as what it is. In doing so, they call God a liar.
Everyone is so quick to believe the opinions and claims of people, yet never see if it lines up with scripture.
This should be the basis for the truth, not what people claim to have or seen.
? Ephesians 4:14 that we may no longer be children, tossed back and forth and carried about with every wind of doctrine,
by the trickery of men, in craftiness, after the wiles of error. 18 being darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardening of their hearts.
? Nowhere in scripture does it say anything about Jesus marrying anyone.
God says His word is complete, yet people are always trying to add to it, claiming to have some knew information.
? The Davinci code is a farce, plain and simple. Yep, Just another grandios deception, with no proof.
Why would God create a Male and a Female?? Is that because there?s a God and also a Goddess?
? The bible only speaks of God the father, Jesus, the son, and the HolySpirit,...
There is no such thing as a goddess in God's kingdom. Satan's yes,...God's no.
It sure does make me think? why wouldn?t god just make men??....
if God is our father in heaven, then do we also have a mother in heaven—
? Again, God, Jesus Christ, The HolySpirit,...That's all folks ( :
? God created male and female because they are a reflection of his image and personality.
Both male and Female reflect some of his attributes. Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.
De
Deceiver
Have you ever heard of the Aposle's Creed? Do you know anything about the history of the early church? The arguments over Easter and the significance of these arguments? No you don't.
There is actually just as much proof that he was married as there is that he wasn't.
You blindly follow a faith you have not researched and whose history you do not know.
Have you ever heard of the Aposle's Creed? Do you know anything about the history of the early church? The arguments over Easter and the significance of these arguments? No you don't.
There is actually just as much proof that he was married as there is that he wasn't.
You blindly follow a faith you have not researched and whose history you do not know.
Have you ever heard of the Aposle's Creed? Do you know anything about the history of the early church? The arguments over Easter and the significance of these arguments? No you don't.
? ?posles creed isn't found in the bible. If it was, it would carry some weight, but it doesn't.
Therefore it must be considered not of God. Why do you people insist on trying to add to God's word, and then call it of God?
Anything outside of the word of God, is a lie...period!
? Hmmm...To say that I havn't done my research is rather assumptive on your part. Do you know me?
Do you know what I have researched and havn't? Do you know how long i've been in the faith?...No, you don't.
I've done my research. If you are going to talk Christianity, then you must base all arguments from the Bibles perspective.
If you don't, you don't have Christianity, you have religion from man's perspective,...period!
There is actually just as much proof that he was married as there is that he wasn't.
? If you can find it in the word of God, then it's true, if not,..it is a lie!
Basically, I'm done arguing with foolish nonsense. You want to know the truth about Christianity, then go to the word of God.
Otherwise it's like educating yourself with an auto manual to work on an aircraft O_o
Please people,..use some common sense.
De
? ?posles creed isn't found in the bible. If it was, it would carry some weight, but it doesn't.
Therefore it must be considered not of God. Why do you people insist on trying to add to God's word, and then call it of God?
Anything outside of the word of God, is a lie...period!
? Hmmm...To say that I havn't done my research is rather assumptive on your part. Do you know me?
Do you know what I have researched and havn't? Do you know how long i've been in the faith?...No, you don't.
I've done my research. If you are going to talk Christianity, then you must base all arguments from the Bibles perspective.
If you don't, you don't have Christianity, you have religion from man's perspective,...period!
There is actually just as much proof that he was married as there is that he wasn't.
? If you can find it in the word of God, then it's true, if not,..it is a lie!
Basically, I'm done arguing with foolish nonsense. You want to know the truth about Christianity, then go to the word of God.
Otherwise it's like educating yourself with an auto manual to work on an aircraft O_o
Please people,..use some common sense.
De
Guyz i respect ur opinions but i think differetly...
DE... ur talkin' about da bible— and that it doesnt mention a mother in heaven??.. well the bible is VERY confusing... WHY— coz itz been translated over a MILLION times... how do u know that wen God revealed his word to his prophetz.. he didnt mention a heavenly mother— now dont get me wrong im not sayin that the Bible is not the word of god... i KNOw itz da word of god BUT coz itz been translated by IMPERFECT people it has itz share of ERRORS......
i believe with all my heart the doctrines da bible teaches BUT the topics it doesnt touch.. i cant of a cretainty say itz false doctrine 🙂
DE... ur talkin' about da bible— and that it doesnt mention a mother in heaven??.. well the bible is VERY confusing... WHY— coz itz been translated over a MILLION times... how do u know that wen God revealed his word to his prophetz.. he didnt mention a heavenly mother— now dont get me wrong im not sayin that the Bible is not the word of god... i KNOw itz da word of god BUT coz itz been translated by IMPERFECT people it has itz share of ERRORS......
i believe with all my heart the doctrines da bible teaches BUT the topics it doesnt touch.. i cant of a cretainty say itz false doctrine 🙂
?posles creed isn't found in the bible.
duh?
The Apostle's Creed happened around 150. That was when the New Testement was written or
more accurately , the text for the New Testament were selected AND WHICH WERE DROPPED. None of the books in the New Testement were written by anyone who knew Jesus. Other books, that were dropped for POLITICAL REASONS, were written by those who knew Jesus.
You see, without understanding what happened, your faith is defined by lies. It was not God who wrote the bible honey, it was man.
There is nothing tricky about it. It is history. Early European History.
It does not matter how long you walked in *the Faith*. Your faith is unfounded because you do not understand what happened.
duh?
The Apostle's Creed happened around 150. That was when the New Testement was written or
more accurately , the text for the New Testament were selected AND WHICH WERE DROPPED. None of the books in the New Testement were written by anyone who knew Jesus. Other books, that were dropped for POLITICAL REASONS, were written by those who knew Jesus.
You see, without understanding what happened, your faith is defined by lies. It was not God who wrote the bible honey, it was man.
There is nothing tricky about it. It is history. Early European History.
It does not matter how long you walked in *the Faith*. Your faith is unfounded because you do not understand what happened.
'...God created male and female because they are a reflection of his image and personality.
Both male and Female reflect some of his attributes. Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness....'
EXACTLY....God said 'let US make man in OUR own image'... he made the Male after his own image.. but what about the female?? why is she physically different from a man?? HOW do you know that itz not been ommitted from the bible that ' a heavenly mother' knew about this plan too.... Ofcourse the father, the son and the Holyghost are the members of the Godhead and they created this earth and i belive that with all my heart and soul but juz coz the bible doesnt mention a mother in heaven .. i cant rule out the possiblities that there is one.. coz few signz denote one 🙂
DB... i know wat u mean..... i know alot of people who are troubled about that and it sure does make a HUGE different in their Faith if he was married or not... but to me it doesnt...i jus ignore these silly thingz..
DE, for me the most important thing is that christ came to this earth to atone for me..hes our Mediator...
i started this thread coz alot of my Catholic friend's faith has been shaken and i continually tell them that it makes no difference....it has NOTHING to do wid my salvation...They dont even want to turn to the bible coz they say itz an imperfect book... and so all i can say to them is ' why is his marital status bothering them sooo much'— ( i know itz HARD to swallow and people kindda toss and turn with EVERY wind of doctrine)......
i often wonder why r we bothered by NON-sense and cant live the simple doctrine.. to love god and our fellowmen as urself..... there r some truths that are not revealed to us coz of our LACK of faith.. if we cant keep the small commandments how are we expecting GREAT treasures of knowledge from god—
our HUman perspective and way of thinkin is SOOOOOO limited... we always rationalize thingz and can never understand wat God's waysss... no dobt why he said ' my ways are not your ways, neither are my thoughts ur thoughts...'
Both male and Female reflect some of his attributes. Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness....'
EXACTLY....God said 'let US make man in OUR own image'... he made the Male after his own image.. but what about the female?? why is she physically different from a man?? HOW do you know that itz not been ommitted from the bible that ' a heavenly mother' knew about this plan too.... Ofcourse the father, the son and the Holyghost are the members of the Godhead and they created this earth and i belive that with all my heart and soul but juz coz the bible doesnt mention a mother in heaven .. i cant rule out the possiblities that there is one.. coz few signz denote one 🙂
DB... i know wat u mean..... i know alot of people who are troubled about that and it sure does make a HUGE different in their Faith if he was married or not... but to me it doesnt...i jus ignore these silly thingz..
DE, for me the most important thing is that christ came to this earth to atone for me..hes our Mediator...
i started this thread coz alot of my Catholic friend's faith has been shaken and i continually tell them that it makes no difference....it has NOTHING to do wid my salvation...They dont even want to turn to the bible coz they say itz an imperfect book... and so all i can say to them is ' why is his marital status bothering them sooo much'— ( i know itz HARD to swallow and people kindda toss and turn with EVERY wind of doctrine)......
i often wonder why r we bothered by NON-sense and cant live the simple doctrine.. to love god and our fellowmen as urself..... there r some truths that are not revealed to us coz of our LACK of faith.. if we cant keep the small commandments how are we expecting GREAT treasures of knowledge from god—
our HUman perspective and way of thinkin is SOOOOOO limited... we always rationalize thingz and can never understand wat God's waysss... no dobt why he said ' my ways are not your ways, neither are my thoughts ur thoughts...'
'..Jesus's wife would be an important part...one would think.....'
DB the world thingz marraige and sex is a sin.. i dont think so.... marraige is ordained of god and sex is not wrong in bondz of marraige.. infact it strengthens a relationship...
and why wasnt it mentioned?? coz u their was a council held in constantine's time .. called the 'First Council of Nicaea'.. here it was decided wat gosples should be included in the bible.. wat not... wat day eater shud be celebrated.. etc....
I never said i accept the doctine that chrict was married... but even if he was.. it doesnt matter to me... and why wud the church wanna hide it?? coz they think that a married man wouldnt be the perfect messiah to deliver the jews from spiritual bondage.. hey im an israelite and i know our doctrine... but no prophet of the old testament ever said messiah wud neva marry...
DB the world thingz marraige and sex is a sin.. i dont think so.... marraige is ordained of god and sex is not wrong in bondz of marraige.. infact it strengthens a relationship...
and why wasnt it mentioned?? coz u their was a council held in constantine's time .. called the 'First Council of Nicaea'.. here it was decided wat gosples should be included in the bible.. wat not... wat day eater shud be celebrated.. etc....
I never said i accept the doctine that chrict was married... but even if he was.. it doesnt matter to me... and why wud the church wanna hide it?? coz they think that a married man wouldnt be the perfect messiah to deliver the jews from spiritual bondage.. hey im an israelite and i know our doctrine... but no prophet of the old testament ever said messiah wud neva marry...
'...a looser standard compared to De...'
its not a looser standard.. itz coz the thingz that are NOT explained i cannot senselessly believe in them.. i need sumthin that i can turn to, to back me up and wen i dont have it.. i dont profess it to be a TRUE HARD doctrine..
YES i dont believe chirst's wife doctrine but i cant prove it coz all facts are saying he had one.. so here u have to depend on ur faith DB... believe wat ur heart tells u 🙂 and mine says it not true but others says it is and u cant prove otherwise 😢
its not a looser standard.. itz coz the thingz that are NOT explained i cannot senselessly believe in them.. i need sumthin that i can turn to, to back me up and wen i dont have it.. i dont profess it to be a TRUE HARD doctrine..
YES i dont believe chirst's wife doctrine but i cant prove it coz all facts are saying he had one.. so here u have to depend on ur faith DB... believe wat ur heart tells u 🙂 and mine says it not true but others says it is and u cant prove otherwise 😢
'..Women came from Adam's rib...right there, you are NOT equal....'
thats where ur SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong DB.. u KNOW NOTHING about our judaism... we dont belive a woman is below men... we belive that a woman is an equal COZ God didnt choose to take a part out of Adam's feet to create a woman.. neither did he take sumthin from his head so that she'd be a superior.. but he took it drom his side (his rib) so that she wud b an equal... walk hand in hand with her man...
people always mistake men for been superior in judiam but thats FALSE doctrine... a man can never do that...continiuosly the lord has commanded men of israel to neva mistreat his wife...some might.. but that aint right
thats where ur SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong DB.. u KNOW NOTHING about our judaism... we dont belive a woman is below men... we belive that a woman is an equal COZ God didnt choose to take a part out of Adam's feet to create a woman.. neither did he take sumthin from his head so that she'd be a superior.. but he took it drom his side (his rib) so that she wud b an equal... walk hand in hand with her man...
people always mistake men for been superior in judiam but thats FALSE doctrine... a man can never do that...continiuosly the lord has commanded men of israel to neva mistreat his wife...some might.. but that aint right
'..Women are the reason for origional sin...Influenced the good Adam..b/c you listened to the snake....This is the origion of your faith...and NO, I would not think there was a heavenly mother omitted.....'
i dont believe in the original sin.. another false doctrine...men are accountable for there on sinz and not for adam's and eve's trangression.. come on... my common sense says that makes NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO sense 🙂
i dont believe in the original sin.. another false doctrine...men are accountable for there on sinz and not for adam's and eve's trangression.. come on... my common sense says that makes NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO sense 🙂
'..There was a reason it was omitted...b/c it makes Jesus too HUMAN. And maybe people would only look at him as a prophet, not a SON of GOD.....'
agree... thats wat i've been sayin'.. if it is omitted then thats da very reason...i mean how can the son of god be taking care of his wife all the time and neglecting da work of god.. doesnt make sense at all to my COMMON SENSE... but people believe it and u cant do anything to make them see thingz ur way... YES.. sometimes u cn but most of the time u cant...
agree... thats wat i've been sayin'.. if it is omitted then thats da very reason...i mean how can the son of god be taking care of his wife all the time and neglecting da work of god.. doesnt make sense at all to my COMMON SENSE... but people believe it and u cant do anything to make them see thingz ur way... YES.. sometimes u cn but most of the time u cant...
'..lol...then you are being an aqua.. You pick and chose what you like...no pun intended...'
coz i KNOW our father in heaven is a just god and not a respector of persons... all are equal in his sight and all those who belive otherwise make him an unjust god who favors some people and not all... and thats WRONG...
coz i KNOW our father in heaven is a just god and not a respector of persons... all are equal in his sight and all those who belive otherwise make him an unjust god who favors some people and not all... and thats WRONG...
'..Then why wasn't eve created just like Adam was? That would be equal...Adam came from God, you came from a man. This is pecking order...you're just being sucked into the modern age religion that covers up the old meanings...you were never an equal.....'
see god knowz how delicate his daughters are... so wen he was done with the earth and adam .. he made eve the last to come enjoy the comfortz 🙂
helloooo... ur doctrine is waaaaaay twisted... just coz god made adam before eve doesnt make him superior... he wanted to show adam the value his woman.. im nhot denyin' that men are stronger physically and better in somethingz then women but then women r better in other thingz...
i hate this men V/S women topics coz no on is better than the other.. they both have their own roles and people juz make it a big deal and compete with each other.. hence alot of breakupz and CRAZinessssssss
see god knowz how delicate his daughters are... so wen he was done with the earth and adam .. he made eve the last to come enjoy the comfortz 🙂
helloooo... ur doctrine is waaaaaay twisted... just coz god made adam before eve doesnt make him superior... he wanted to show adam the value his woman.. im nhot denyin' that men are stronger physically and better in somethingz then women but then women r better in other thingz...
i hate this men V/S women topics coz no on is better than the other.. they both have their own roles and people juz make it a big deal and compete with each other.. hence alot of breakupz and CRAZinessssssss
'...God told you not to look around, but you did, b/c it was in your nature and you turned to a pillar of salt.....'
naive and me— im sorry ur the 'NAIVEST' person eva... ur tellin me about Lot's wife turinin' into a pillar of salt— that was just her... doesnt mean all women are the same... we have some VERY strong jew women who saved the whole nation... wat about Esther?? had it not beeen for her da jews wud have been wiped out.... wat about Virgin Mary?/ why did god choose her and only her with jospeh's help to send his son to this earth.. coz a worth of a virtuos, righteous woman is above that of the rubies..precious in the sight of god
naive and me— im sorry ur the 'NAIVEST' person eva... ur tellin me about Lot's wife turinin' into a pillar of salt— that was just her... doesnt mean all women are the same... we have some VERY strong jew women who saved the whole nation... wat about Esther?? had it not beeen for her da jews wud have been wiped out.... wat about Virgin Mary?/ why did god choose her and only her with jospeh's help to send his son to this earth.. coz a worth of a virtuos, righteous woman is above that of the rubies..precious in the sight of god
'..Women in the Old testiment were second place...'
women neva were second place... neither now nor back then....and the men who treated them that way were wrong... men hold da priesthood and they administered all the ordinances coz they had the authority...
tell me one single eaxmple from da bible where it says women are second class and i will believe you... it doesnt!!!!
women neva were second place... neither now nor back then....and the men who treated them that way were wrong... men hold da priesthood and they administered all the ordinances coz they had the authority...
tell me one single eaxmple from da bible where it says women are second class and i will believe you... it doesnt!!!!
'...It's in your NATURE...Old tesiment...'
in womens' nature — this is juz one example of a woman and i can give u MILLIONS of men from da scriptures 🙂
in womens' nature — this is juz one example of a woman and i can give u MILLIONS of men from da scriptures 🙂
'..It's inconsistent...same God, but some how God's personality changes...imagine that...women have more respect...imagine that...I wonder why it happened...lol
Religion changes for the time.....'
nothing changed....god's always been the same... even in the old testament the lord'z two most important commandments were to love god and fellowmen.... and if they didnt they wud have to b chastised...
Religion changes for the time.....'
nothing changed....god's always been the same... even in the old testament the lord'z two most important commandments were to love god and fellowmen.... and if they didnt they wud have to b chastised...
'..lol...temper temper...so much for being detached......'
LMAO.. wat makes u think i'm all mad and furious here 🙂 honestly im not... infact i find it interestin' ....
LMAO.. wat makes u think i'm all mad and furious here 🙂 honestly im not... infact i find it interestin' ....
'..But then again, I can just point to the source EVE...and it covers all of Man's downfalls...'
why was man sooooo NAIVE to listen to the woman... seeeeeeeeeeeeeee ur naive DB.. itz in ur blood.. men are always NAIVE... they may b the head.. but the woman is the NECK.. she can turn him where ever she wantz cutie 🙂
why was man sooooo NAIVE to listen to the woman... seeeeeeeeeeeeeee ur naive DB.. itz in ur blood.. men are always NAIVE... they may b the head.. but the woman is the NECK.. she can turn him where ever she wantz cutie 🙂
'..There is nothing in the bible to say that Mary did not have more children and there is a quote somewhere that Jesus' brothers and sister came to meet him. There would be nothing wrong with Mary having more children...'
o ya he did have brothers n sisters... and infact one of the gosples is written by his brother 🙂 he was also an apostle.. and hey that not me talkin' its HISTORICAL fact 🙂
o ya he did have brothers n sisters... and infact one of the gosples is written by his brother 🙂 he was also an apostle.. and hey that not me talkin' its HISTORICAL fact 🙂
yep the gosple of james is written by his half brother 🙂 ( i mean mary's and joeph's son ) 🙂
'..But there is a similar tale told in another oriental religion that is too similar to the ones you guys are discussing...'
i know.. alot of religions have similar doctrines to chriatianity... it amaez.. i sometimes wonder is that coz ' our forefathers were all taught da same thing' but they all deviated from da rite path.. belivein wat they taught was rite... u noh.. pretty much like today where we ahve all these sects in christianity n every one tries to prove the other wrong wen at the end of the day.. they all hav the truth in bitz n peices...🙂
i know.. alot of religions have similar doctrines to chriatianity... it amaez.. i sometimes wonder is that coz ' our forefathers were all taught da same thing' but they all deviated from da rite path.. belivein wat they taught was rite... u noh.. pretty much like today where we ahve all these sects in christianity n every one tries to prove the other wrong wen at the end of the day.. they all hav the truth in bitz n peices...🙂
'..and learning he was married, learning he had brothers and sisters, makes people think he was just a man....'
u have a point there... but people r soooooo naive if they let that trouble them... coz all that has nothing to do wid his divinity.. but my Bro agrees wid ya.. we have been debatin' on the same thing for like hourz today .... n i still dont know why its heck of a BIG deal—?
u have a point there... but people r soooooo naive if they let that trouble them... coz all that has nothing to do wid his divinity.. but my Bro agrees wid ya.. we have been debatin' on the same thing for like hourz today .... n i still dont know why its heck of a BIG deal—?
'..It's the purity of Mary...she is a virgin...Virgin Mary...that all I heard it as...She was pure...which was good enough to give birth to the savior...and she would remain pure in order to maintain her status.....'
u said u aint a christian.. now ur sounding like a DEVOTE catholic...hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
u said u aint a christian.. now ur sounding like a DEVOTE catholic...hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
'..how do you know he is the son of God? How do you know he wasn't just a man preaching his own ideas about faith...claiming he is the son of God?....'
i told ya i belive the bible to be the word of god ( he doctrines it contains r true)...and it says he was a son of god.... no man can suffer all that.. die and rise again on the third day... hes definitely more then a human...
yes he was human coz his mother was a mortal being.. and so he cud feel pain, hunger, thirst... but from his father whose DIVINE and a God he inherited the power to take his life up again.. as simple as that 🙂
i told ya i belive the bible to be the word of god ( he doctrines it contains r true)...and it says he was a son of god.... no man can suffer all that.. die and rise again on the third day... hes definitely more then a human...
yes he was human coz his mother was a mortal being.. and so he cud feel pain, hunger, thirst... but from his father whose DIVINE and a God he inherited the power to take his life up again.. as simple as that 🙂
Here is a good place to start. This is pretty much all known ancient Christain writings. They are pretty much in the order accepted by modern bible scholars/historians.
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/
'..I wonder what doctrine you hold...since you say the Book is God's words, but then say man wrote it, there are flaws, then say I don't believe in the story of Eve...
It must be the Eliza's favorite picks from the Bible.....'
Lmao... no there r not... u totally misunderstood me... i believe the doctrines taught in the bible but the ones that r NOT touched i cant say anything about them...... and Eve's doctrine.. i believe it but no where in the bible does it say that its da original sin and that we are all condemned coz of her decision—
christ came to this earth for us... coz of our OWN sins we r condemned... not for adam/eve's sin 🙂
It must be the Eliza's favorite picks from the Bible.....'
Lmao... no there r not... u totally misunderstood me... i believe the doctrines taught in the bible but the ones that r NOT touched i cant say anything about them...... and Eve's doctrine.. i believe it but no where in the bible does it say that its da original sin and that we are all condemned coz of her decision—
christ came to this earth for us... coz of our OWN sins we r condemned... not for adam/eve's sin 🙂
'..What do you think about the other Holi Books out there Eliza?....'
god speaks to all righteous men... and he might have spoken to them.. in the bible chirst said' there are other sheep which are not of this fold ( not israelites)whom i will go to'... they might be all da other religions... so i cant say they are all wrong... coz NO religion teaches hatred... buddists, hindus, taoism.. judaism... etc..... all teach peace n love...
god speaks to all righteous men... and he might have spoken to them.. in the bible chirst said' there are other sheep which are not of this fold ( not israelites)whom i will go to'... they might be all da other religions... so i cant say they are all wrong... coz NO religion teaches hatred... buddists, hindus, taoism.. judaism... etc..... all teach peace n love...
'..one thing I really disapprove of is when people start point scoring by quoting passages from the bible....'
i noh.. i dont like the ' Holier than thou' attitude either... respect every one... and hey quoting scriptures wont make people belive u.. itz sooo easy for them to say they are 'written by men'...
like wud u eva believe a taoist or jew or hindu or buddist if he starts quoting his/her scriptures??/ coz u wud say... who cares thatz not da word of god...so itz useless debatin wid ur scriptures.. bible bashin' takes ya no where...
i have bible bashed before wen i was 17.. and wid christians who belived in the bible but still they took every part soooooooo differently.. every1 interpretz da doctrine da way they like... we NEED a PROPHET 🙂
i noh.. i dont like the ' Holier than thou' attitude either... respect every one... and hey quoting scriptures wont make people belive u.. itz sooo easy for them to say they are 'written by men'...
like wud u eva believe a taoist or jew or hindu or buddist if he starts quoting his/her scriptures??/ coz u wud say... who cares thatz not da word of god...so itz useless debatin wid ur scriptures.. bible bashin' takes ya no where...
i have bible bashed before wen i was 17.. and wid christians who belived in the bible but still they took every part soooooooo differently.. every1 interpretz da doctrine da way they like... we NEED a PROPHET 🙂
'.."..What do you think about the other Holi Books out there Eliza?...."
lol...that's great...she didn't answer you......'
i think u missed my WISE reply...u betta turn to page 4 for it DB ...LMAO
lol...that's great...she didn't answer you......'
i think u missed my WISE reply...u betta turn to page 4 for it DB ...LMAO
'..faith has been passed down by generations originally from people who had met Jesus and were willing do die to defend their right to believe so it's not just about a book...'
CGILWL... people from every religion have died for their faith.. i dont think thatz reason enuff to believe in the bible...u cant stand on borrowed light... conversion to christ n his godple is not only a spiritual one but it has to be an intellectual one or else u will toss n turn wid every wind of doctrine and that aint right..... but still spiritual one is better than none a t all 🙂
CGILWL... people from every religion have died for their faith.. i dont think thatz reason enuff to believe in the bible...u cant stand on borrowed light... conversion to christ n his godple is not only a spiritual one but it has to be an intellectual one or else u will toss n turn wid every wind of doctrine and that aint right..... but still spiritual one is better than none a t all 🙂
'..they see their religion as the purest religion...'
every one considers their religion 2 b the purest... the jehovah's witnesses say they are the TRUE ones... so do the many different sects in islams... the sunis and she'ites both profess to be the true 'PURE' ones.... so i think we shud let people believe wat they believe as long as they are not FANATICS... like the talabans.... jeeeezzzz... thats definitely not a religion of God.. i can without my heart and common sense say itz not a TRUE one....WHY— coz God NEVER forces his doctrine upon his people... and all those that do are deff. not of god...
every one considers their religion 2 b the purest... the jehovah's witnesses say they are the TRUE ones... so do the many different sects in islams... the sunis and she'ites both profess to be the true 'PURE' ones.... so i think we shud let people believe wat they believe as long as they are not FANATICS... like the talabans.... jeeeezzzz... thats definitely not a religion of God.. i can without my heart and common sense say itz not a TRUE one....WHY— coz God NEVER forces his doctrine upon his people... and all those that do are deff. not of god...
Mary had sex. Where do you think Jesus? siblings come from? I have heard that virgin meant something different at that time. It had to do with not being married and had nothing to do with sexual ?purity?.
In early, Christian teachings men and women were equal.
The Pillar of Salt is an interesting story. The intrepation that I hear and that I believe to be true ? it may be Gnostic, I am uncertain ?. Was the pillar of salt she dissolved into was tears.
Sophia is the principle of God?s Wisdom and typically portrayed to be female. She/Eve (since Eve bites into the apple of Wisdom? Speculating it has been a long time) is very central to Gnostic doctrine.
The Gospel according to James found in the new testament was NOT written by his brother. James went on to found the Jerusalem Church an early faction of Christianity.
I believe it was the Council of Niceaca were the vote on whether Jesus was the son of God took place. Before that many factions of the Christian Church, including the Adoptionists, believed he was just a man.
In early, Christian teachings men and women were equal.
The Pillar of Salt is an interesting story. The intrepation that I hear and that I believe to be true ? it may be Gnostic, I am uncertain ?. Was the pillar of salt she dissolved into was tears.
Sophia is the principle of God?s Wisdom and typically portrayed to be female. She/Eve (since Eve bites into the apple of Wisdom? Speculating it has been a long time) is very central to Gnostic doctrine.
The Gospel according to James found in the new testament was NOT written by his brother. James went on to found the Jerusalem Church an early faction of Christianity.
I believe it was the Council of Niceaca were the vote on whether Jesus was the son of God took place. Before that many factions of the Christian Church, including the Adoptionists, believed he was just a man.
'..I read it...I was being sarcastic with your response...if I WAS a christian, I would have argued with you....'
u wouldnt have succeeded though.. coz hey im pretty gud wid scriptures.. i have 'em on my fingertips.......( ouuuuuuuuuuuuuu da scorpio's is ready to STING... wheres my water...LMAO...)
BTW wat is there to argue— the muslims koran is all taken from the Jews... mohamed's wife, Khatija was a jew and coz he was illerate she helped him 🙂....
hindus doctrine about krisna is similar to christ... even the name... i bet alll religionz came out from ONE religion coz there is BUT one god...
u wouldnt have succeeded though.. coz hey im pretty gud wid scriptures.. i have 'em on my fingertips.......( ouuuuuuuuuuuuuu da scorpio's is ready to STING... wheres my water...LMAO...)
BTW wat is there to argue— the muslims koran is all taken from the Jews... mohamed's wife, Khatija was a jew and coz he was illerate she helped him 🙂....
hindus doctrine about krisna is similar to christ... even the name... i bet alll religionz came out from ONE religion coz there is BUT one god...
'..Wasn't that about Lot's wife?
ya it was lots wife...
ya it was lots wife...
Here is a really brief history for you.
*The New Testament* did not exist until the Apostle?s Creed. I believe that was 150. And yes, it was about what was left out not removed. (but that really depends on how you look at it as things were removed after. Origen of Alexandria excluded the Epistles of James and Jude.) This is pretty standard AND accepted European History.
The Apostle's creed was developed to distinguish between Roman Paulists and other Christian groups.
For example, the Nostic Christians lived by the Gospel of Thomas and had a 13 book Bible, but they were considered heretics by the Roman Paulist Sect.
The history of the Roman Church falsifying documents and altering history, to my knowledge, starts around the Theory of Apostolic Succession. Paul was not an apostle. Doctrine was changed, at this time, making Peter and Paul co-founders of the Roman Church. Peter, however, never endorsed any Paulist sect, which under the theory of Apostolic Succession makes the Paulist Church of Rome not of the true faith.
There were several branches of faith Montanists, Gnostics, Adoptionists, Marcionists, among others.
*The New Testament* did not exist until the Apostle?s Creed. I believe that was 150. And yes, it was about what was left out not removed. (but that really depends on how you look at it as things were removed after. Origen of Alexandria excluded the Epistles of James and Jude.) This is pretty standard AND accepted European History.
The Apostle's creed was developed to distinguish between Roman Paulists and other Christian groups.
For example, the Nostic Christians lived by the Gospel of Thomas and had a 13 book Bible, but they were considered heretics by the Roman Paulist Sect.
The history of the Roman Church falsifying documents and altering history, to my knowledge, starts around the Theory of Apostolic Succession. Paul was not an apostle. Doctrine was changed, at this time, making Peter and Paul co-founders of the Roman Church. Peter, however, never endorsed any Paulist sect, which under the theory of Apostolic Succession makes the Paulist Church of Rome not of the true faith.
There were several branches of faith Montanists, Gnostics, Adoptionists, Marcionists, among others.
'..The Pillar of Salt is an interesting story. The intrepation that I hear and that I believe to be true ? it may be Gnostic, I am uncertain ?. Was the pillar of salt she dissolved into was tears...'
pillar of salt wasnt literal.. i read wat historians said about this scripture and they interpreted it as ' she went to get her riches n material wealth and died'...
itz figurative...
pillar of salt wasnt literal.. i read wat historians said about this scripture and they interpreted it as ' she went to get her riches n material wealth and died'...
itz figurative...
I would LOVE, LOVE to talk about this more as this is one of my deep, deep passions. But I really have to pack to move next week. 😢
Unless you all want to fly here and we can discuss while you help me pack. I'll provide wine!
Unless you all want to fly here and we can discuss while you help me pack. I'll provide wine!
'..The Gospel according to James found in the new testament was NOT written by his brother. James went on to found the Jerusalem Church an early faction of Christianity....'
and where does that say—? references please—
and where does that say—? references please—
Go read the link I just posted a few pages back. There has been TONS written on the subject.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594770433/sr=8-4/qid=1147726535/ref=pd_bbs_4/002-3666161-1308842?% 5Fencoding=UTF8
I really have to go. damn it!
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594770433/sr=8-4/qid=1147726535/ref=pd_bbs_4/002-3666161-1308842?% 5Fencoding=UTF8
I really have to go. damn it!
'..I don't think they did, but they were definitely influenced by each other. As time passed by.....'
theres a wensite wich is devoted to this doctrine... i mean this theory that it is the same person... i'll let u know in a minute..
dang!!! this is hard keepin up wid DXP and my 2 friendz on yahoo IM 😢
theres a wensite wich is devoted to this doctrine... i mean this theory that it is the same person... i'll let u know in a minute..
dang!!! this is hard keepin up wid DXP and my 2 friendz on yahoo IM 😢
'..My point is all religions were originally not written in a book. They were based on word of mouth....'
i agree...we have to have faith in the words of the prophets coz we didnt actually se GOD speaking to them face to face 🙂
i agree...we have to have faith in the words of the prophets coz we didnt actually se GOD speaking to them face to face 🙂
'...its very valuable content on James the relative of Jesus....'
well they are not sure if hes his brother or relative... they cant base that on the fact that he turned away from the church... brothers can get ENVIOUS and against their brotherz... aint a strong prove though... will have to read this bood though.. soundz a gud 1 🙂
well they are not sure if hes his brother or relative... they cant base that on the fact that he turned away from the church... brothers can get ENVIOUS and against their brotherz... aint a strong prove though... will have to read this bood though.. soundz a gud 1 🙂
'..and we are really all aliens....the facts speak for themselves ...'
aliens to wat?? i didnt get that—?
aliens to wat?? i didnt get that—?
'...That was a little joke Eliza ..... tongue in cheek humour..I'm from the UK we are a little warped you know ....'
LOL....
ya cappies are idealistic optimists and that wat i really like about u 🙂
LOL....
ya cappies are idealistic optimists and that wat i really like about u 🙂
'...Well it's better to be realistic. I end up disappointed too often....'
well i think u shud b balanced ..both an idealistic opitmist n a lil' realistic...then u wont b dissapointed and even if u are.. atleast u didnt spend all that precious time worrying about thingz that wud neva cum to pass... i mean itz better to b an optimist than a pessimist 🙂
well i think u shud b balanced ..both an idealistic opitmist n a lil' realistic...then u wont b dissapointed and even if u are.. atleast u didnt spend all that precious time worrying about thingz that wud neva cum to pass... i mean itz better to b an optimist than a pessimist 🙂
'..I guess I was talking about men Eliza....they are such disappointing creatures...'
o ya they are.. but then not all of them really... i have juz learned NOT to expect alot from them... coz u will be dissapointed...
o ya they are.. but then not all of them really... i have juz learned NOT to expect alot from them... coz u will be dissapointed...
i think we expect alot from guyz... we want them to be PERFECT.. but reality is they are not perfect... neither are we... they might think the same about us women...
i think wen we accept the fact that men are different and always will b different we will always be happy and neva dissapponited...
i think wen we accept the fact that men are different and always will b different we will always be happy and neva dissapponited...
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When God created Adam and eve he commanded them to ?multiply and replenish the earth??Jesus Christ is the SON of God.... he knowz the father?s plan and so if he married Mary Magdelene?( I?m not saying he did marry her 100% and has kidz coz I feel kindda strange about his kidz doctrine? but EVEN IF he did) he was following da lord?s command?..he didn?t sin in doing that?.
Why would God create a Male and a Female?? Is that because there?s a God and also a Goddess?? Who knowz? ?
I typed ?mother in heaven? in google and found this interesting song??.
?I have learned to call thee father, thru thy spirit from on high,
but until the key of knowledge was restored I knew not why,
in the heavens are parents single, no the thought makes reason stare,
truth is reason, truth eternal , tells me I?ve a mother there?.?
It sure does make me think? why wouldn?t god just make men??....if God is our father in heaven, then do we also have a mother in heaven—.... ( OK thatz the Aqua in me questionin? EVERTHING?)
But whatever the truth?I don?t find christ?s marital status affect my faith in him and his doctrine 🙂