Hiroshima and Nagasaki

Posted by TachiMichi
today, remember Hiroshima.
69th anniversary of the
genshi bakudan... atomic bomb
Wasurenai.

i say prayers for all of the
people who died senselessly.
all the children, women, men, young
and old who had nothing to do with war.
for all of you, I dedicate senbazuru.
Wasurenai.

Fat Man and Little Boy

August 6 and 9

8+6+1+9+4+5 = 33

8+9+1+9+4+5 = 36 (3+6=9)

33+36=69

Aug. 6
Aug. 9

6 and 9

69

Harry Truman was a 33 deg Mason.

Both Hiroshima and Nagasaki were strategically legitimate targets.
Both Military and Industrial complexes existed at both sites which supported the Japanese war effort.
Civilians supported the war effort.
Had the atomic bombs not been dropped, conventional incendiary bombing would have continued. Then
the ground invasion.

Truth be told, had History been reverse, Japan would have used the bombs all the same.
War is hell.
It is what it is.
War and Peace cannot coexist.
Never did, never will.

To think, otherwise, is the product of a deranged reprobate mind.
And such a mind is fit to be dead.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki are prime examples of what happens when man makes a man a god.
Pity, man so soon forgets.

Posted by TachiMichi
there is what is
taught in american
history, then there
is truth. yes, we
attacked pearl harbor,
yet, why did we bomb
it? provocation.
this subject is
very touchy and is
bound to get messy.
we both have our sides.
so let's just end it
with a rest in peace
to the victims.

Check that out...

As if the Japanese are 100% "innocent".

As many as 246,000 Japanese dead.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki<BR>

Nanking Massacre - as many as 300,000 were killed by Japanese.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre<BR>
For Nanking and Pearl Harbor, the consequence was Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Truth: Don't start a war that you cannot finish. Don't fight a war that you cannot win.

Posted by TachiMichi
if you took it as
i said the japanese
were 100% innocent,
that's your problem,
not mine. it's funny
that you stand by a
government that took
your land and treated
your own native american
people like garbage, and
still do til this day.

if you want to be believe
the lies your government
tells you, that's your own
issue, not mine. i will not
get into the wars america
started and lied about from
day one til this very day.
i will not go back and forth
with you. try someone else.
i will remember my people
of my country regardless,
no matter what gaijin say.
looking for a war of words?
try elsewhere with someone
else. i bid you and dxpnet
goodnight. my baby and i
need rest.

LOL, I take it you don't live in the United States.

Posted by Whatu
"i will not
get into the wars america
started and lied about from
day one til this very day"


"it's funny
that you stand by a
government that took
your land and treated
your own native american
people like garbage, and
still do til this day."



yep.

nope.

I don't blindly stand by this government.

What I know happens to be because I know and knew people who were there.
Japan's ills have to do with Japan's greed. Which is not unlike America's greed.

Truth be told, in Japan, some say that the Rape of Nanking never happened. Kinda like some people
in the Middle East that say the Jewish Holocaust never happened.

As far my land and my people. Patience is a virtue. America will come and go.

Posted by Whatu
Man is the real enemy.

Whatu, what do you propose to do about it?

Well the only thing we can do is wait for the next great war. Two cities won't die by nuclear fire. The entire world will this time. A dark silence will fall upon the earth for many decades afterwards.

You're right tachi, America did provoke the attack. They also knew it was coming. They let it happen, they being the government, so that the American people would jump into the war so many were opposed to. The government needed a catalyst, and they got it with pearl harbor.

Funny, that tactic was also used to get us into the war in Iraq. 9/11 "terrorist" attacks being the catalyst.

Americans are disgustingly brainwashed. But it's home. Home sweet home.

Rest in peace to all on both sides that have died

Provoke the attack? They cut off trade with Japan for their conquest of nearly all of Southeast Asia. The U.S buys a lot of products from the SE Asia region. Japan conquering SE Asia would've allowed them to jack up prices, enforce heavy trade tariffs, lower trade tariffs, and possibly cut off our trade between SE Asia countries. Japan attacked because their economy suffered from no form of trade between the U.S and Japan. It was a isolationist policy against Japan, we will not have anything to do with the war. Other words- You don't play ball with us so we'll grab by the balls and kick you in stomach until you play ball with us. Japan would've never invaded the U.S. Hideki Tojo himself said he wouldn't. Because quoting- "There would be a gun behind every blade of grass and every town". Not everything is a conspiracy.

There is no single nation, country or tribe who is innocent. It is history, and history repeats itself. japan has a history of guilt, as do the Native American Tribes, the United States, England, Rome, Persia, China....the list includes all, because all have participated at one point in time or another. Greed, revenge, hate, fear; these are the forces that drive such atrocities.

It is human nature that all have tried to rewrite their own histories out of shame and guilt, because none like the stain atrocities leave on country, nation and tribe. This is simply a fact, and one that will continue.

Nothing can fight human nature except humans themselves. But they will always fail to fight it. It's best to come to accept it.

Posted by TachiMichi
truth: Don't start a war
that you cannot finish.
Don't fight a war that
you cannot win.

would be true if the
Japanese started Pearl Harbor.
We did not, america did.
Since we're posting things:

FDR hoped for an "incident" in the Pacific to bring the US into war
http://mises.org/daily/6312/How-US-Economic-Warfare-Provoked-Japans-Attack-on-Pearl-Harbor<BR>
US knew they put Japan in terrible position & Japanese government might try to escape stranglehold by going to war.
http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1930<BR>
'If Japan could be led to commit overt act of war, so much the better'
http://rationalrevolution.net/war/fdr_provoked_the_japanese_attack.htm<BR>
U.S. provocation; 'how can we get Japan to strike first?'
http://www.fitsnews.com/2012/12/07/pearl-harbor-we-asked-for-it/<BR>
it wasn't enough to provoke
Japan into war, and bomb,
radiate, and massacre innocent
people. usa had to take it out
on the Japanese in america by
internment camps. over 127,000
people, who had nothing to do
with the war the usa kicked off,
were wrongly taken from their
homes and discriminated against.
i know and knew people who were
there as well.

seems a native american would
be one of the first to relate
to being treated unfairly.
i gave my prayers to my people.
you take it and make a thread
out of it. lol i must be special.
it's not about war and peace.
it's about you having no limits
to prove a so called 'point',
while showing disdain and disrespect
for my kind. at the end of the day,
i still have my opinion and i will not
be moved by smug worded tactics.
you wanted my attention, so there you are.

uhhhh..... yeah.
Nobody made Japan attack the US. That's what Japan chose to do.
Japan had imperial aspirations and engaged on it's expansionist agenda.
When the US decided that it reserves the right not to serve oil and steel to Japan, the embargo,
Japan felt the squeeze and instead of making concessions, it chose to attack. - it's not rocket science.
Regarding your people...
FYI, it just so happens that my mother is married to a Japanese man. A very nice man.
What's more, his Japanese mother and father lived in one of those internment camps.
You have some pretty wild ideas about me. Seriously, you do.

Do you or do you not live in the US?