I just lost a scorpio friend...

Who I went to high school with who was in the class below me. He shot himself in the head last night and left a good bye message on his facebook status saying he it was no one's fault but it was his choice to not want to live anymore. He was one of the nicest people to ever walk the earth. R.I.P.

Thank lou🙂 Yeah, I'm alright. I've just lost so many people this past year it's just like ahh. And his family and the way death effects so many. I mean I know that's life but it's just so heart renching. My friend saw him the night before and he seemed fine. I don't think anyone quite new what was wrong. Which it seems to be what happens alot in these cases😢 But thank you so much for the blessings.

Thank you for your words US. The waters do.

I find it very odd that he didn't attempt to reach out to somebody.


"My friend saw him the night before and he seemed fine. I don't think anyone quite new what was wrong. Which it seems to be what happens alot in these cases"



I don't think it is normal that people just kill themselves without warning. People, all people, need to talk about their life, especially if they think their life is fucked up. Look at us in here and certainly this is true in real life ..... when our life is fucked up, we can't shut up about it, and have to smear it everywhere in attempts to gain some kind of support so we can't live another day with this tremendous emotional distress.



Somewhere .... there's a person he tried to talk to ... and they couldn't hear him.

And that ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ is the sad part, not really the death, in itself.





So sad, my condolences.

^Very true.

I'm so sorry Sag89.

people who kill themselves rarely leave any clue as to why they did so. the kind of people who say they are gonna kill themselves are likely to take an attention seeking overdose at worst. my friend's son hung himself a few year's back and there was nothing to suggest his reasons, in fact he had only just bought an air ticket to see his girlfriend in new zealand.

personally, i think it's the most self-indulgant act a person can commit particularly when the world is full of people fighting to live.

i would never attend the funeral of a suicider.

I am sorry about your friend. My father took his life also but in a different way. When people are fed up with this astral plane.....nothing can stop them.

Thanks godess. I agree.

Oh God. Another one? What is going on with people now-a-days?






I'm so sorry. 😢

"I find it very odd that he didn't attempt to reach out to somebody."

I think it's quite usual for scorpio male not to reach out to people even when in need. Scorpios usually deal with things internally. They tend to only release what they're comfortable releasing. That's why I always promote knowledge of self as part of the solution to every problem people have to face. I think self knowledge for a scorpio is a definite life essential. An heavily emotional scorpio who didn't reach at least a certain understanding of self, will be left at his environment's disposable and life circumstances will get the best of him. I think for the most part people will put an end to their lives when they can't see the light at the end of their struggle. One who seeks outside help are more prone to see hope as someone else can always come through and provide some hope which could be enough to keep someone from killing himself, when processing things internally, all you have is yourself, your vision only and when you can't see nothing futher down, the end will soon come.

Posted by Roxanne

personally, i think it's the most self-indulgant act a person can commit particularly when the world is full of people fighting to live.

i would never attend the funeral of a suicider.

——? Not sure what the fuck that is suppose to mean, Ro. The person who owns their life has permission to do everything they want to it ..... what they eat, how they dress, what they feel, who they befriend .. everything. How people are living in the rest of the world is irrelevant.

Why wouldn't you attend the funeral of a suicider? A form of punishment because they dared to live their life as they chose to do?





Sag .... here's another way I look at things, perhaps it will help you at this time ....

..... in eternity, 70-80 years of our physical span is really nothing. Some people know that just because the flesh dies, this doesn't mean death .. it means transcending to the next plane, and some people are eager to get there.

What do we have? Eat, sleep, cry, fuck, drive a car, drink beer .... maybe he was finished, and ready to move on. That doesn't have to mean he didn't love here, or that he was sad, or in pain, or any other negative condition.

When people make that suggestion, such as I did, Rox, most others who responded .... were making the suggestion that (((this))) life form is more important than any other, that it must be spared under all costs, and if it ends then this is the ultimate offense.

In the Universe, don't you think that makes humans on this planet sound pretty arrogant? Our life form is Supreme !!!!!!!!!! If it ends, then hell is the payment, how DARE a person to allow this life-form to end !!!!!!



You know ... we are more than this ugly ego that has been presented in your thread .... spiritually speaking, Angels were probably singing when he took his last breath, because he was returning home.

We just never know, Lou ... how can we?



A person who commits suicide might have very well stood beneath God, vulnerable, and asking to be released from this prison our souls are forced to live in .. and God might have said yes, it's ok to come home now ... and so it happens.



Who are we to say that this person is not allowed to die?

"When people are fed up with this astral plane.....nothing can stop them."

er - this is not the astral plane. the astral plane is where the soul hangs out before human birth and after death.

this is the mortal coil.

i wouldn't attend the funeral of a suicider cos i think suicide is a crime. some would call it a sin. i'm not religious but apparently, the bible agrees with me on that - in fact, it's considered blasphemy by some religions. so why would i endorse what a suicider did by going to a CHURCH to consecrate them—??

suiciders don't want to live. end of story. they don't want to burden others with their problems and so they remove themselves from the equation. yes, it's a personal choice but i don't have to give it my blessing do i—

i don't ever regret missing the funeral of someone i knew who took their own life. there was no way i was gonna pay my 'respects' to someone who didn't deserve it.

sorry if it's the wrong thread to say these things but i'm sure anyone who has lost someone in these circumstances knows all about the anger and confusion they leave behind.

i don't believe you should take ANYONE'S life - including your own.

It's okay. I can see where you all are coming from. It can seem selfish in the sense of the great effects it leaves on the people after their gone and at the same time people will chose to do whatever they want with their life. But I really agree with what Ike said. People just don't seem happy anymore and I wonder if that will shift?

You only find it selfish Ro because you are fixated on death as being a "negative" thing. It is not. EVERYONE dies eventually, is it so different that these individuals choose to die by their own will, that they have control of something in their lives for once, that they have control over their death?

So I don't understand how it makes them selfish for wanting to live it the way they want to and end it for themselves? What if the pain they endured was so insufferable, would you rather they continue living in pain and agony?

How is it selfish? When the entire being and existence of man is to survive. It takes a LOT to be able to kill one self. You shouldn't judge when you have yet to be in their shoes. You don't know what each individual have been through and why they made such decisions to end their lives. Just know that it was their choice to make and they made it.

That's why I've never understood, why people cry at funnerals. Should we not be rejoicing in the life they've lead rather than concentrate on what they've left behind?

As P says the human life span is not so long. We live, we die, the world moves on and we are forgotten for we are as concrete as the memories we leave behind. Therefore living in the moment and now is all we have, it's too short to be fixated on negativities.

Death is an inevitable process of life.

"i wouldn't attend the funeral of a suicider cos i think suicide is a crime."


I see.


I suppose it's just a matter of perspective then ... because I would support my people who were left in the wake of the crime, even if I thought it was a sin.

To go to a funeral cannot bring back the dead, it cannot hold any accountibility in the mourner to suggest that they validate what the suicider did .... to go to a funeral is about being an emotional support system for the ones left behind, Ro.

How cruel have we as people become that we won't embrace our loved ones, if these loved ones had a criminal in their family, and to forsake these people, we are in essence, making claim that they be responsible for their family member who is the criminal.


How ugly of a person you really are.




"so why would i endorse what a suicider did by going to a CHURCH to consecrate them—??"


How about endorsing your compassion for the ones who are still alive and are grieving because they loved this person?

That was a very cruel thing to say Roxy.

She just lost someone and you are talking negatively about them.


*SMH

Well Roxanne I understand where your coming from but people still have to show compassion for those who have passed wether it be by their hands or by anothers.

And you say that you don't think its right for anyone to take anothers life?

This may offend you but I'm to have to disagree. If a soldiers life is in danger in the battlefield, his or her mind set will most likely take another's life just to preserve their own. In this case its killed or be killed.

It may sound cruel, but sometimes if the case calls for it, some lives are taken to make others come together and get stronger. There's some positivity in death. What people don't understand is that when a life is ended by their hands or another, I myself am not really religious but maybe it was all part of the lords divine plan for us all.

Sorry if this is long, Roxanne this isn't really aimed at you but instead of everyone to see how I feel about death and trying to find beauty in all forms.

Hopefully I offended none of you, and if I did I apologize in advance.

-Smiles

I hope you feel better Ms. Sag89

Try your best to put on a brave smile.

Yeah Ike I remember that post. I cursed her out on my old screen name. It was about a cat. Rock chick has cats. You'd think she'd be sensitive to that person but was a total bitch.

I always say Scorpio women and men are very different.

Who gives a shit about Mel Brooks or Cancers.

She lost her friend and made a thread about it and your already taking it over with bullshit talk no one cares about.


Start your own thread.

hey P! ugly person here 🙂

i certainly didn't mean to offend anyone and i never once said that it didn't hurt to lose someone in such a way - in fact, i believe in many ways it hurts MORE!!!

the worst thing is the sense of letting that person down. it makes us feel that we didn't do enough to stop them finding themselves in such a desparate place. we should have found the words to make them KNOW they were not alone. it's having all that anger and having no way to let it out - they've gone! they've fucked off to a better realm and it's like giving all their friends and family the finger.

i don't view death negatively. i view it as another phase of our journey. suiciders just decide to accelerate things i guess.

anyhow. condolences. 😢

It's good to hear that Roxanne sends her Condolences.

Good on you Roxanne.

Haha you guys🙂

Posted by Sagittarius89
Who I went to high school with who was in the class below me. He shot himself in the head last night and left a good bye message on his facebook status saying he it was no one's fault but it was his choice to not want to live anymore. He was one of the nicest people to ever walk the earth. R.I.P.

Oh no way!!!! Dear god, I'm sorry Sag89. Thats terrible. In the goodbye message, did he give a reason as to why he wanted to kill himself?


My goodness, this is starting to happen way too often ...

in spain, suiciders are refused a consecrated burial by law. when my friend's son hung himself, she was told he would be buried without ceremony outside the walls of the cemetary. she was naturally mortified (pardon the pun). he was a popular member of the community and although american, he had been raised in spain. many of the locals felt he should be given the right to a full burial and this was granted on the basis that he had been diagnosed as having manic-depression a few years prior to his death and therefore, his condition was the cause of his death and not suicide.

i think that's a fair assessment.

I would venture to guess that most who commit suicide aren't healthy mentally, therefor making them mentally ill rather diagnosed or not. Which is precisely the reason that I think it's a shame to shun those who have taken their own lives. No one looks down upon someone whose died of cancer or any other illness but if you should unfortunately have a mental illness, & even more so, never have a diagnoses or treatment & you take your life because you aren't dealing with the healthy faculties that would prevent you from doing so, then you are sentenced to an eternity of damnation for something that you probably couldn't prevent. Easy to pass judgement & say "OH how could they do such a thing" when you are of healthy mind & spirit but for those who aren't & in many cases have spent a LIFETIME battling life itself, there is no hope, if there were they wouldn't have went to such extreme measures to end the suffering.

My father committed suicide in January. He was diagnosed as Manic depressive some 30 years prior to the ending of his life & he managed with it. However he suffered a stroke almost one year prior to his passing which left him unable to read, write, speak, play instruments, paint, sing....essentially everything he loved to do. He was trapped inside of his own already sick mind with no way at all to communicate. I do NOT blame him for what he has done. Do not imagine how his life ended...imagine what it would be like to have your thoughts with no way to communicate....no way to say what you think, want or feel. Perhaps those so repulsed by suicide are struggling with their own feelings of guilt, anger & shame. I know because it has only been 4 months that I've been without my father & yes I do feel guilty & angry & shame at times. The quickly leave me when I think of how his last year was spent. For whatever reason, this was his destiny but I won't make the way his life ended his legacy. He was so much more than how his life came to a close.

wow! that is awful jiyo!!! i'm so sorry if anything i said offended you. i admit to being way too judgemental at times but i always at least 'fess up to it.

jiyo: it was fortunate you were at an age where you understood your father but imagine if you were much younger. i feel awful for kids of suiciders who were too young to know why their parent took their lives. 😢

I wasn't offended Rox, just wanted to share my story to show that things aren't always so cut & dry. Yes, I'm older (31) & I do understand mental illness & I do know why he chose to end his life. I do feel for anyone whose lost someone to suicide as the grieving process is so much more complicated rather young or old. Understanding the whys of it all some days just don't help. I know that my father loved me, he loved to write poetry & short stories & I have those, some written for or about me, as a declaration of his love for me & THIS is why I know that he saw no other option. He would have never wanted to hurt me & I know that he would not want me to hurt now. Of Course that's inevitable but I also hurt tremendously to see what he was reduced to after his stroke. I literally watched all of the life of this strong, intelligent, capable 54 year old man drain right out of him & it is visible in pictures.

There are many complicated emotions that follow a survivor of a suicider. My only wish is that people would try to be more understanding. The things that I hear some people say in my personal life, before they know my story make me so sad. I don't want anyone to think of my father as a selfish, horrible person who will burn in hell, but I hear those types of reactions alot. Nothing I can do to change anyone's opinions really except share my story & give a different perspective.

Also thank you Lou for your kind words, they are appreciated 🙂

I know how you feel jiyo.

Same happened to me when I was 4.

Thanks Gem & I'm also sorry for your loss *HUGS*

::hugs to all::

Posted by P-Angel
I find it very odd that he didn't attempt to reach out to somebody.


"My friend saw him the night before and he seemed fine. I don't think anyone quite new what was wrong. Which it seems to be what happens alot in these cases"



I don't think it is normal that people just kill themselves without warning. People, all people, need to talk about their life, especially if they think their life is fucked up. Look at us in here and certainly this is true in real life ..... when our life is fucked up, we can't shut up about it, and have to smear it everywhere in attempts to gain some kind of support so we can't live another day with this tremendous emotional distress.



Somewhere .... there's a person he tried to talk to ... and they couldn't hear him.

And that ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ is the sad part, not really the death, in itself.





So sad, my condolences.

I agree. As a scorpio I know he tried. Depression literally hurts but maybe the person they spoke to didnt undertsand what they were reall trying to say.

I am so sorry to hear that... bless you and his family

Posted by oldskoolflavor
cold ass world

Ditto. I think for Scorpio's (this is all my opinion, can't speak for us all 😉 ) it's especially hard to deal with life sometimes because we SEE and FEEL so much more than most people. I tend to see the UGLY alot more than other people, and I wish I didn't. Not that I would ever want to kill myslef!!!! BUT When I am really down, like at the bottom of the 'ocean' I have thought to myself things like this world is sometimes too hard for me to live in...I'm TOO sensitive for this shit. Sometimes I really wish I didn't feel things so deeply and that I could just brush things away easily and keep it movin' in a minute like an Aires etc. Maybe I'm just not at that stage in my 'evolution' where I can completely embrace my scorpioness. IMO Scorps tend to suffer a lot more than the average person, but if we hang on long enough we come out flying on top of the world. 🙂