SO HE IS OLDER

We made it official, we are now dating me and the scorp guy. He revealed more stuff to me about his life- we was born in 1975 (making him 9yrs older), been with his sons mother for 10yrs (she dumped him in January this year bcoz he didnt wanna get married), etc. Did his chart, he has both sun and mercury in scorpio, venus in libra, moon and mars in aquarius. I read some bad rap about his sun/moon combo, but i think i can handle it bcoz i have it the other way around (aqua sun with scorpio moon). He drinks a lot. Little background- we work together, ive been working there for 2mnths now. The work thing worries me, im thinking about when we break up, the akwardness it would create. Anyways, tomorrow i will get to meet his ex coz he is picking up his son for a wkend stay and mine is coming this evening, his father is dropping him off-we planned a play date. I have no questions, i just wanted to update. But im curious in hearing some experiences with aqua/scorps. And dont worry i wont be writting at your board whining about him (promise), not my style . But i hope u guys will give me insight when and if i have questions. Thanks guys

Im being realistic here, im too old to believe in happily ever after. It starts, it ends -thats life.

Posted by ellessque
"im thinking about when we break up"

aquas. *throws up hands*

😛

We like our contingency plans.

Posted by ellessque
"im thinking about when we break up"

aquas. *throws up hands*

😛

lol elle!!


Hmmmmm, OP .... his chart is so far the same as the Scorp/Aqua mooner I was posting about


Scorp sun
Aqua moon
Scorp asc
Scorp mercury
Libra venus
Libra mars


Things off my topper in observation: meticulous, detached, emotionally detached, intelligent, sly, calm on the outside, knows what he wants and goes after it but without 'seemingly' stepping on people's toes; however, believe me there has been a plan and much thought behind it, once his mind is made up there is little that can change it, sensual lover, dark side, wishy washy in love, doesnt think he does anything wrong, wants a woman who acts like a woman i.e. lady like, no vulgarity, tom boyish yet can still be a woman/lady, needs someone who is gentle and loving and not brash or harsh, a humanitarian like himself.

Well LIB, I tend to see most waterbaby men have some addiction or are recovering. Either food, drugs, or alcohol. Sometimes though Ive seen where there isnt an addiction to substance, but moreso their life. The ultimate need to have everything perfect, to an obsession i.e. therefore, addiction.

So what does that mean? Can anyone escape that when dating a male waterbaby, i.e. scorp.

Drinking obviously can make things more fun, BUT I do tend to see that if they are abusing the substance, the darker side comes out. It's not pretty, and it takes a large shoulder and a strong backbone being on the receiving side. Just in my observation, and previous experience with my counterparts.

Posted by ellessque
I imagine this might work. He's the same way as watercup just in reverse.

All the things that would irritate the snot out of *me* or *you*.....she may actually enjoy very much.

Not insulting, promise, it just is what it is.

true enough, that detachment through aqua should keep it balanced ... i checked WC's profile, didnt see a chart for the rest of her placements. Do you recall?? And what are your thoughts on his air venus?? the wishy washy, happy go lucky, oh look theres a cute puppy I need to check out 😛 But yet it is determined. They are so loving and fun, too much detachment can be like putting water on a fire, is how I see them coping with someone who isnt fun, airy, loving, etc. Hard to keep down in one place though? (imho)

I dated a Sag sun, Cancer moon .... thought it would be perfect. Was for about the first month. Then I felt suffocated, and couldnt stand his brooding, had to have his way all the time, baby acting-poutty face. :/

Posted by Let*It*Be
"BUT I do tend to see that if they are abusing the substance, the darker side comes out. It's not pretty"


Yep...Scorpio male self medicating not pretty at all. Work would be the secondary issue..Scorp moon shaking finger at Scorp sun...during self medication = recipe for explosions later trickling into the work atmosphere. If we can remove the ingredient of "drinks a lot"...it may just be a positive thing. 😉

WC, read what LIB just wrote ^^^^^^. This.

The Scorp I dated a few years back, and still to this day, drowns himself in two things. Work, and alcohol. And at times, drunk while working. There's no stopping him except himself. It is amazing, the tenacity and determination. The drunk side is very hard, and when I said dark, very dark. Mean, ornery, sad, eye opening to their past if you are paying attention closely .. keep your eyes and ears always wide open, whether they are drinking or sober.

If they aren't speaking to you directly about themselves or their lives, past or present ... they are speaking to you indirectly both by words, and actions. And believe me, it's because they are doing the same with you. They miss nothing.

Posted by ellessque
i hear you.

my ex scorp...work and alcohol, both in epic excess.

i think all scorps are prone to self medicate and we are either on one end of the scale or the other.

for me personally, i detest any form of self medication thru anything mood altering. i can't drink properly to save my life so i stay away from it entirely. any time i "tried" to drink like normal people do, i find myself in a truck load of trouble, sometimes legal, and drama.

Pat yourself on the back for the awareness, elle.

I need to keep myself in check too, otherwise I can drown myself in alcohol to forget and cope. All it really does is burrow me deeper into my shell, and my water world. Being aware of that though is the only thing that has prob saved me from things that make me shudder thinking about it; and other times, being reckless and who gives a shit attitude.

Your lib venus is fun, I think it's something that I need with my Gem venus and asc. Anything too stuffy? Gahhh!! lol

i had addiction problems throughout my 20s. i never considered myself an 'addict' though cos those are people who live in the gutter and rob off their families aren't they. that was enough to keep me in denial for a good few years. if i hadn't of developed diabetes after my first pregnancy, i would still be an addict now.....especially given that i live in one of the most 'enabling' communities in europe. good job i have virtually zero tolerance for alcohol.

i would personally not get involved with anyone with any kind of addiction...even if it's just displayed sporadically. i couldn't handle living with someone who has to use something as a coping mechanism. that's what partners are for.

Thanks for the input ladies. OD..what do u mean by sly? Your boyfriends chart is almost the same as his, is he also very vulgar? This guy says very dirty things, lol, makes me blush. Can also be rude and direct. Besides all that he is ok and funny. I have venus in sadge, mercury in cap and mars in scorp. Communication is a problem, lots of misunderstandings...LIB- I agree about the dark side appearing when drunk, he is sweet and almost shy sober, when drunk is opposite. He is also very work serious, we ignore each other at work.

Posted by WaterCup
Thanks for the input ladies. OD..what do u mean by sly? Your boyfriends chart is almost the same as his, is he also very vulgar? This guy says very dirty things, lol, makes me blush. Can also be rude and direct. Besides all that he is ok and funny. I have venus in sadge, mercury in cap and mars in scorp. Communication is a problem, lots of misunderstandings...LIB- I agree about the dark side appearing when drunk, he is sweet and almost shy sober, when drunk is opposite. He is also very work serious, we ignore each other at work.

It's the chart of an guy that I dated. Sly as in a fox. Scorpio's minds are always spinning, never resting. The men's especially. What I see with this guy, is that he comes as a wolf in lambs coat. He is sly in how he approaches things, meaning he has everything already planned out in which way to get what he wants. It doesnt mean it always has to be in a bad manner, just calculating.

He can be vulgar, but not in a gross way. Sensual, and yes, can talk dirty. But very seldom, he is very careful in how he says things. Not because it's all an act (not always) but because it isnt in his chemical makeup. Make no fool, if your guy is anything like the one I speak of, you will have plenty to do in bed and plenty of things to think about afterwards.

And like you, with his work, if he is putting his all into it ... let him do so. Not saying you will, but dont try to interfere or come in between his work or schedule.

The miscommunication is coming from potentially, at least in my experience, his moon. They have a hard time expressing emotions. Not because they dont have them, but like you, you can detach from things. He said to me "I have a hard time with the tough stuff" BUT, again, if he lets go of something (elle will tell you too) you better let go. When he is done with a fight, discussion, whatever it is, he is done. That is hard, very hard. (that's his moon) Also, too, I found with scorp men, is they will speak in riddles ... it's like a game of chess to date one. With every move, there is a motive ... keep on your toes haha Seriously 😛

LOL

OD..no HE better keep on his toes, hell learn ballet with me, lol. I understand the not dwelling on things thing, im that way too. How long were u with the guy and how was he in the beginning with u? Did he claim love too early on? I have trouble believing premature love claims, plus i dont trust libra placements (inlove with being inlove). Im way too suspicious. He says he have slept with several women since the ex and have thought that he liked them but the feelings disappeared as soon as it was done. We did sleep together, but my reasons were to speed up the dumping part before i start really liking him. Oh well.

-bookmarks-

Hey Rig, what ever happened to the aqua guy u were friends with?

Posted by WaterCup
OD..no HE better keep on his toes, hell learn ballet with me, lol. I understand the not dwelling on things thing, im that way too. How long were u with the guy and how was he in the beginning with u? Did he claim love too early on? I have trouble believing premature love claims, plus i dont trust libra placements (inlove with being inlove). Im way too suspicious. He says he have slept with several women since the ex and have thought that he liked them but the feelings disappeared as soon as it was done. We did sleep together, but my reasons were to speed up the dumping part before i start really liking him. Oh well.

I thought you said you didnt sleep with him, that was just the other day? Or did I misread that.

No, he didnt claim love too early on We talked a lot about what we wanted in life, and both wanted the same things. He did tell me he wished we wouldve married and had children though. That made my eyebrows raise, but I also thought it was sweet too. We didnt date all that long, he pulled some stuff that wasn't cool. He slept with a lot of women too, after his divorce. Same reasoning as yours. Thats where I became suspicious of his past. Just play it cool, and keep the detached attitude.

watercup: we're still friends 🙂 he's really funny although he gets sulky at the drop of a hat...scorp rising. we don't really talk much right now though cos we've both been busy and he's living quite a drive away. actually, where he is staying is currently engulfed in flames as there's a ridiculous fire that's been raging near marbella since last night. i'm due to move down that way next week and where i'm moving to, people were evacuated from their homes at 4am this morning!!

the upside of course is BOMBEROS!!! firefighters? even better....BOMBEROS IN PLANES AND HELICOPTERS FLYING AT LOW LEVEL!! oh my word....there's something about a man weilding a hose that does my head in 😛

randomness: when my daughter was in kindergarten here, there was a day trip to the local bombero station. ALL the mums were gagging to go but we weren't allowed 😢 anyhow, at the school open day for parents, they had posted pics of the trip on the walls which was like soft porn for the mums, lol. there was however, one very unfortunate shot of a firefighter with a hose spewing froth all over the kids. the positioning of the hose made it look like he was spunking all over them, lol.

apologies for the random interjection. got firemen on the brain right now obviously 😛

Lmao @ Rig. See thats why i said scorpios are really ruled by sex. U guys see sex in everything, lol-very strange. Im with u thou, it does make u get creative, seeing a guy with a hose..OD-it (sex) didnt happen at the time i wrote the 1st thread but it did after, u guys got me too curious so i had to sample and it was normal, lol, no seeing stars and moon. These guys sound very similar, been reading about u + him and that kind of behaviour wont sit well with me. But your ordeal with him will make u stronger. I had the same (connection) with a libra once, but i had to walk away and wish him well- i vowed never to love like that again. Keep strong.

Elle..i love anything that has libra as an ingredient even thou im allergic to venus. I get along nicely with that planet as friends but not as lovers. Aquas need straightness, love me or leave me-a libra loves then leaves then loves again..i hate that.

1 trait i noticed about scorps is that they like to make other people jealous, am i wrong? Well, yesterday i didnt go with scorp guy to fetch his son from the exs house, i knew i would be uncomfortable. We took the children to some dog show and then sent them to his moms house to go attend a Spring Day party- i party a lot since i met him, lol. Anyways, there were 4 of us in his car, his best friend (he is an october scorp but i suspect he has gemini somewhere, he talks too damn much) and his girlfriend (they are both married to others and she is pregnant by her husband, but they are inlove with one another). It was a pool party so most ppl were in bikinis, the pregnant girl was very unhappy, she is a big girl. The 3 of us sat down while the other scorp was busy mingling. He returned to fetch his phone from the girlfriend so he could store ANOTHER GIRLS NUMBER! She got angry and started crying. While i was calming her down, the song Mercy by Kanye West started playing and the scorp im seeing jumped to go dance claiming its his song, he is drunk and high from weed at this point. The were girls everywhere on the dance floor, he was dancing with 2 of them. The song has a part that says- shake it to the floor, make the ground move, whoa, thats an arsequake. Build a house on that arse, thats an arse-state)the scorp was touching both those girls behinds. I sat there thinkingand i decided i didnt like it at all! He came back and laughed but i said nothing. Both guys did the exact same thing so i figured it must be a scorp thing.

Ok Elle let me rephrase that- they go out of their way to envoke jealousy in others. I know jealousy is the choice of the person experiencing it but we are human with emotions and jealousy is one of them. And every action creates an emotional reaction, u cant help that but u can control how u react. Regarding my seriousness about him- i like him but im not in deep yet, it might happen ,i dont know. Im about to exit a marriage and ill be insane to get too serious before i detox completely. 1 would say i shouldnt date then, but im separated not dead so i still feel attraction towards others. Im not a player, im just not there yet.

As sick as it sounds, yeah i can see us going long term- the good in him outweighs the bad. If we were to break up ill still keep him as a friend regarless of the reasons for the split. He gives good advice and i like somebody who doesnt take my side just bcoz we are friends- he points out my faults. I have a blind spot about my own mess and he highlights them for me-i dont like it but it makes me rethink things over. Im really blessed to have him as a person tbh.

"there were 4 of us in his car, his best friend (he is an october scorp but i suspect he has gemini somewhere, he talks too damn much) and his girlfriend (they are both married to others and she is pregnant by her husband, but they are inlove with one another)."

yeah. i DID read that right. i had to read it a couple of times. are you being serious?? personally, i couldn't stomach mixing with people like that, particularly not the mother to be...cheating on her kid before it's even born. wtf??

wow watercup...you sure it wasn't a swingers party??

OMFG ELLE!!!! are you on drugs or something today?? what do you mean we 'don't judge'....god i ROFL'd at that big time. i don't know if i'm alone in this but i'm not ashamed to say i can be chronically judgmental and a scorpio i was seeing for a while was totally off the charts in that respect.

the day i simply 'accept' someone on face value, i think i'll be hanging up my scorpy stinger.

Rig..lmao, no swingers party! It grossed me out at 1st but Im an aqua i like unconventional situations and people- i fired questions. She was snooty thou, i didnt talk to her much, the scorp is the 1 that told me the whole story. U cant believe it, after the phone ordeal they went to my friends car to have sex and he went crazy calling her a fat bitch. October scorp says obese pregnant chicks are the best lays, lol, so i guess he couldnt help himself. Eww. We dropped her off before her husband returned from night duty, he is a policeman. This guy has some really messed up friends, fun times.

wow...elle you make me sound much busier than i have been. i've only had two long term relationships. one 4 years (cancerian) and the other more than 20 (aries). ex DALLIANCES maybe but that aint the same.

i'm hoping i'm done on the ex count now 🙂

but anyway...yeah, i 'accepted' a lot of things during that marriage but i hated his guts while i was 'accepting' it and i ranted on and on to anyone who stood still for long enough about what an utter c**t he was THROUGHOUT the time we were together and long afterwards. i had two scorpy best friends back then and we used to regularly get together to 'offload' about our partners...bad mouthing them until we were hoarse. we were like the three witches in the opening scene of macbeth.

so the judgmentalness was still figuring even though i was 'accepting' shit.

biggest bloody waste of time ever too but a lot of women like to be trapped in the shit cycle cos it gives them something to whine about...satisfies the victim complex...and i guess - for a while at least - i was one of them!

still. you live and learn. in theory at least, lol.

omg watercup...where do you MEET these people?!?!?!? that is soooo gross! and also hard to imagine possible. having sex in a car when you're pregnant AND obese?? i hope it had great suspension? (that would require it to be a european or japanese car btw cos EVERYONE knows that american cars are pants in the suspension department).

or was it a pickup truck, lol. for some reason i now have an indelible mental image of a huge pregnant woman trying to mount a skinny guy in a mini cooper. surely that would have to go in the guiness book records!!!

Lmao @ the minicooper image. She is not really obese, just big- i exaggerate a lot (mercury conjuncts jupiter here), i cant help it. Huge becomes huuuuge. Wheres your mercury btw, rig? U speak very well with logic, your posts make a lot of sense.