I am Pisces Sun/ Scorp moon, he is Scorp Sun, Libra Moon - we have had a long, intense, confusing connection for years. A very strong spiritual connection, it's clear I am an important person in his life - he confides in me and shares deeply personal information which I know is HUGE for a scorp. I have met all of the most important friends and family in his life. People tell me that he speaks so highly of me when I am not around. He is very protective and possessive of me - talks about future events together and he just about burned down the humanitarian organization we work for to get me to work with him full time. People who know us and total strangers sense the resonance between us and always ask if we are a couple or married. Not only are we not a couple, we are not romantically involved, never even kissed. We were both married and divorced yeas ago. He seems to still, all these years later, be licking his wounds and says, practically every time I am around him to me or other people how glad he is he is not in a relationship. He is so attentive to me, he knows all of my quirks, likes and dislikes, constantly uplifts and praises me. Most recently I was staying at his place (we live in different states) and when I entered into his house, he had set the table for two, finest dinner ware, candles, and cooked an amazing meal followed by a stroll and a movie - it felt like a date night. When we are in a room of people, we always know where each other is, his eyes always on me. So, WHAT GIVES? Help me scorps to understand. Is he just toying with my emotions and 'feeding' off of me or is he really interested and just taking his sweet time coming around to romance/relationship?
What Gives?
Haha! I am sure he has imagined being in bed with me but has not quite gotten himself (or me) there...
I think he loves the emotional, mental and spiritual rapport that we have. He knows I "get him", give him the space he needs, etc. But for some reason, the emotional relationship is as far as he has been willing to go.
I actually had to set boundaries a few years ago as he was very physically affectionate, would call often and tell me he missed me, and in the next breath, when confronted, say he was not interested in being in a relationship in general. I told him he was tormenting me and that I no longer wanted him to touch me or call me to tell me how amazing I am and how much he misses me. It took a stern talking to followed by a stern letter to get him to back off. However, he has just gotten more creative with forging the emotional connection.
Damn my Scorpio moon, if it wasn't for that, I would be less fixed on him and just walk away...
I think he loves the emotional, mental and spiritual rapport that we have. He knows I "get him", give him the space he needs, etc. But for some reason, the emotional relationship is as far as he has been willing to go.
I actually had to set boundaries a few years ago as he was very physically affectionate, would call often and tell me he missed me, and in the next breath, when confronted, say he was not interested in being in a relationship in general. I told him he was tormenting me and that I no longer wanted him to touch me or call me to tell me how amazing I am and how much he misses me. It took a stern talking to followed by a stern letter to get him to back off. However, he has just gotten more creative with forging the emotional connection.
Damn my Scorpio moon, if it wasn't for that, I would be less fixed on him and just walk away...
Posted by exoskeleton
this riddle could easily be solved by sex, lol.
Yes, waiting for that moment. It seems like the ball is on his court, he know how I feel. I think waking him by dating another man may be the only option - he is waaay too comfortable with the present situation...
Posted by IllaLupus
Interesting! Both of your placements are like me and my bf reversed.
Him: Scorpio sun, Pisces moon
Me: libra sun, Scorpio moon
How is your relationship? We have wildly open conversations on all topics except when the topic is "us". Total avoidance...

Here is the problem that you mentioned. He is open with you as, as well as everyone else, in saying that he doesn't want a relationship. I know he wants you, the problem is I think he wants a relationship with you, without officially labeling it that. I think he's just too scared to "make it official" between you two. I'm a Scorpio man with a Gemini Moon, and although I honestly believe that Venus and Mars signs matter more, in this instance, he just seems afraid that he will get hurt again and that things could go South between you two. He seems like he doesn't want to lose you and maybe in his mind putting a label on your relationship will/could make the chances of you two succeeding worse?
Posted by SilverScorpio
Here is the problem that you mentioned. He is open with you as, as well as everyone else, in saying that he doesn't want a relationship. I know he wants you, the problem is I think he wants a relationship with you, without officially labeling it that. I think he's just too scared to "make it official" between you two. I'm a Scorpio man with a Gemini Moon, and although I honestly believe that Venus and Mars signs matter more, in this instance, he just seems afraid that he will get hurt again and that things could go South between you two. He seems like he doesn't want to lose you and maybe in his mind putting a label on your relationship will/could make the chances of you two succeeding worse?
I think you hit it on the spot, SilverScorpio. It's what I have suspected for awhile - he wants a relationship but is terrified of being hurt again (he got crushed to bits when his marriage ended). I get the labeling thing, too and have done my best to appreciate this connection without labeling it. I don't know how to help him move past that fear, maybe he will never move past it. He is Venus in Sag and I am Venus in Aquarius. His Mars in Cap, mine in Aries. Yeah, I know he is afraid of losing me. I totally terrified him when I said I was thinking about moving overseas for a couple of years for work (we both work for the same humanitarian organization). He completely freaked out and in one month, raised three years salary for me to keep me here. He told me then that I am indispensable to him and again today, he told me he doesn't know what he would do without me.
Any tips from you on how to help him move past his fear of losing me would be greatly appreciated!

Posted by exoskeleton
this riddle could easily be solved by sex, lol.
just what I was thinking. word for word.

Posted by exoskeleton
idk. maybe he's gauging if this is real, whether or not you return his feelings.
make a move.
be like, do you want this pussy or nah? 😄
😆!

Now you ask a lot of me. I can point out where he's worried, but when it comes to him moving past his problems and issues, he needs to deal with that and I'm not sure if there's anybody who can answer his problems but him. Wow! He raised THREE years Capital you would've been making overseas just to keep you here!? Dang! He does like you. He's got issues. I don't say that in a mean way or to make you afraid of him, but he's got somethings he needs to deal with and get over.
I partially think you're a way out for him to not deal with these things and move on with you instead. "He told me then that I am indispensable to him..." is what led me to that conclusion. I don't want to make it sound like he is just using you, I think he really does care about you, but he is avoiding something too, sounds like.
I partially think you're a way out for him to not deal with these things and move on with you instead. "He told me then that I am indispensable to him..." is what led me to that conclusion. I don't want to make it sound like he is just using you, I think he really does care about you, but he is avoiding something too, sounds like.

Has he hurt you somewhere along the line in this "relationship/association"? SOMETHING is making the Piscean hesitate.
Posted by pathfinder
Has he hurt you somewhere along the line in this "relationship/association"? SOMETHING is making the Piscean hesitate.
He has hurt me in the sense I put myself out there years ago to him and let him know how I feel about him. He responded that he cares about me a lot, considers me one of his closest friends, but is not interested in a relationship with anyone. Obviously that bummed me out, but I accepted it. Following that, rather than backing off and avoiding giving me signals that he might be interested, he became even more affectionate and that's when people first started asking if we are dating. I confronted him again, again he said he is not interested and was projecting like crazy as if to say "it's all in your head." At that time, I set strong boundaries with him with physical affection and telling him he can't call me and tell me he misses me, yada... I have had someone look at our synastry and I KNOW that it is not all in my head - I think he is just terrified and in denial.
Moving forward a few years, now we work together closely on humanitarian work and travel and teach together, we are closer than ever as friends. There is a deep emotional and spiritual connection. In all the years I have known him, he has never shown interest in another woman and now just recently he seems to have the hots for a politician that his congressman buddy has offered to set him up with. I don't think anything will come of it - but he keeps bringing her up and it has made me insanely jealous and also feeling hurt.
I have tried to extract myself (and my heart) from this connection but to no avail - my Scorp moon is holding on for dear life. Ugh. In a long-winded response, I feel awkward making a move because I feel like I already did on two occasions letting him know how I feel.

Posted by Jasmine66Posted by pathfinder
Has he hurt you somewhere along the line in this "relationship/association"? SOMETHING is making the Piscean hesitate.
He has hurt me in the sense I put myself out there years ago to him and let him know how I feel about him. He responded that he cares about me a lot, considers me one of his closest friends, but is not interested in a relationship with anyone. Obviously that bummed me out, but I accepted it. Following that, rather than backing off and avoiding giving me signals that he might be interested, he became even more affectionate and that's when people first started asking if we are dating. I confronted him again, again he said he is not interested and was projecting like crazy as if to say "it's all in your head." At that time, I set strong boundaries with him with physical affection and telling him he can't call me and tell me he misses me, yada... I have had someone look at our synastry and I KNOW that it is not all in my head - I think he is just terrified and in denial.
Moving forward a few years, now we work together closely on humanitarian work and travel and teach together, we are closer than ever as friends. There is a deep emotional and spiritual connection. In all the years I have known him, he has never shown interest in another woman and now just recently he seems to have the hots for a politician that his congressman buddy has offered to set him up with. I don't think anything will come of it - but he keeps bringing her up and it has made me insanely jealous and also feeling hurt.
I have tried to extract myself (and my heart) from this connection but to no avail - my Scorp moon is holding on for dear life. Ugh. In a long-winded response, I feel awkward making a move because I feel like I already did on two occasions letting him know how I feel.click to expand
as a lunar scorp, I swore off Libra moons awhile ago. constant back n forth. youre stronger than me.

@Reincarnation, lol, yes, that'll do it.

Posted by Jasmine66Posted by pathfinder
Has he hurt you somewhere along the line in this "relationship/association"? SOMETHING is making the Piscean hesitate.
He has hurt me in the sense I put myself out there years ago to him and let him know how I feel about him. He responded that he cares about me a lot, considers me one of his closest friends, but is not interested in a relationship with anyone. ... Following that, rather than backing off and avoiding giving me signals that he might be interested, he became even more affectionate .... I confronted him again, again he said he is not interested and was projecting like crazy as if to say "it's all in your head." ...
There is a deep emotional and spiritual connection. In all the years I have known him, he has never shown interest in another woman and now just recently he seems to have the hots for a politician ...he keeps bringing her up and it has made me insanely jealous and also feeling hurt.
I have tried to extract myself (and my heart) from this connection but to no avail - my Scorp moon is holding on for dear life. Ugh. In a long-winded response, I feel awkward making a move because I feel like I already did on two occasions letting him know how I feel.click to expand
Ok, so he knows. I think he's testing you with this politician woman -- especially if he is talking about her so much in front of you, AND he knows you had(have) a thing for him.
I would let him come for me. Yes, he is making difficult for you to NOT fall in love with him, but that's how they do what they do. You're a pisces woman, he trusts you. Trust to man is like love to a woman. Let him come to you. Don't show your jealousy, let this roll of your back like water off a duck. You have to detach and you can. Respect yourself. Like you said, you have already made your feelings known TWICE. That's Plenty, my friend. If you do it again, it's like you are begging and the level of respect he has for you will take a big hit. Stay professional and disinterested, friendly but agnostic. The outcome? Either he will come for you, or you will be finished with him (as a romantic interest).
@Pathfinder
Yeah, this whole Scorp thing with testing makes me nuts. Putting on my duck suit... I know he trusts me, he tells me there is no one in the world he trusts more than me. I am definitely NOT going to make any moves, this is his deal and I am no beggar.
He is an expert at making me nuts... he referred me to a vedic astrologer a few years ago and the guy said that I would be getting married or in a serious relationship in Nov 2015. My guy knows about this and periodically ask, "so when did that astrologer say you were getting married?" Just recently, I was in his city and staying at his apartment - as we took a walk, he was showing me all of his favorite places and asked me if I could see myself living there. Shortly after that visit he bought a house (we live in different states) and is going to town furnishing and decorating it and went into detail about the King sized bed he just bought and that he hadn't had one since he was married. Sometimes I feel like he is 'nesting' and wants to be the protective provider, other times I think he just takes great pleasure in tormenting me.
Backing away into my 'friendly agnostic' stance.
Yeah, this whole Scorp thing with testing makes me nuts. Putting on my duck suit... I know he trusts me, he tells me there is no one in the world he trusts more than me. I am definitely NOT going to make any moves, this is his deal and I am no beggar.
He is an expert at making me nuts... he referred me to a vedic astrologer a few years ago and the guy said that I would be getting married or in a serious relationship in Nov 2015. My guy knows about this and periodically ask, "so when did that astrologer say you were getting married?" Just recently, I was in his city and staying at his apartment - as we took a walk, he was showing me all of his favorite places and asked me if I could see myself living there. Shortly after that visit he bought a house (we live in different states) and is going to town furnishing and decorating it and went into detail about the King sized bed he just bought and that he hadn't had one since he was married. Sometimes I feel like he is 'nesting' and wants to be the protective provider, other times I think he just takes great pleasure in tormenting me.
Backing away into my 'friendly agnostic' stance.

Posted by Rambunctious76
That being said, I'd like to reiterate that in general, Scorp Moons absolutely adore Scorp Suns.
that's a moon-sun rule. says CA. My biggest chaser had Moon in Sag.
Posted by starloverPosted by Rambunctious76
That being said, I'd like to reiterate that in general, Scorp Moons absolutely adore Scorp Suns.
Yes they do!
Three of my past relationships have been with Moon in Scorp men...they took forever to move onclick to expand
Yes - it's a curse that I would love to be free of, that Scorp moon thing. It is so hard for us to move on but doubly so when the Scorp we are interested in gives hope and manipulates emotions for sport...
Posted by Rambunctious76Posted by Jasmine66
@Pathfinder
Yeah, this whole Scorp thing with testing makes me nuts. Putting on my duck suit... 1.I know he trusts me, he tells me there is no one in the world he trusts more than me. I am definitely NOT going to make any moves, this is his deal and I am no beggar.
He is an expert at making me nuts... he referred me to a vedic astrologer a few years ago and the guy said that I would be getting married or in a serious relationship in Nov 2015. My guy knows about this and periodically ask, "so when did that astrologer say you were getting married?" Just recently, I was in his city and staying at his apartment - as we took a walk, he was showing me all of his favorite places and asked me if I could see myself living there. Shortly after that visit he bought a house (we live in different states) and is going to town furnishing and decorating it and went into detail about the King sized bed he just bought and that he hadn't had one since he was married. 2. Sometimes I feel like he is 'nesting' and wants to be the protective provider, other times I think he just takes great pleasure in tormenting me.
Backing away into my 'friendly agnostic' stance.
1. I really, really hate it when they do that.
2. This line is making me rethink my current situation.
Are you able to take emotional breaks from him once awhile?click to expand
Yes, since we don't live in the same state, and we both are busy people and I have space for emotional breaks. Sometimes I am totally self-contained and detached and other times I am in a space of total obsession and start 'spinning' in my mind. There are days I wish he would be a monumental jerk so the threads that bond would be cut and I could move on. It was easier to do during the years we were just friends, but now we work and teach together making it more challenging.
He has been more loving, kind, supportive and protective in my life than any other man, including my father and ex-husband, and he totally sees me and accepts me as I am - this is what makes walking away so hard.

There are days I wish he would be a monumental jerk so the threads that bond would be cut and I could move on. It was easier to do during the years we were just friends, but now we work and teach together making it more challenging.
wow, you sound just like me. You have to emotionally remove yourself from the situation with him. its the only way you will see clear.
after you detach you will feel so much better.
libra moons are cunning, charming, and seem to know when to go back on their word. their timing is impeccable.
wow, you sound just like me. You have to emotionally remove yourself from the situation with him. its the only way you will see clear.
after you detach you will feel so much better.
libra moons are cunning, charming, and seem to know when to go back on their word. their timing is impeccable.

Posted by Rambunctious76
That being said, I'd like to reiterate that in general, Scorp Moons absolutely adore Scorp Suns.
*cough* i will pass on scorp men. Theyre awesome till you sleep with them. much like a woman.
Posted by DMV
There are days I wish he would be a monumental jerk so the threads that bond would be cut and I could move on. It was easier to do during the years we were just friends, but now we work and teach together making it more challenging.
wow, you sound just like me. You have to emotionally remove yourself from the situation with him. its the only way you will see clear.
after you detach you will feel so much better.
libra moons are cunning, charming, and seem to know when to go back on their word. their timing is impeccable.
Yes, I have a long and sordid track record with Libra men. They absolutely do know the moment you have had it and are about to bail and then lay on the charm thick. The challenge I have with him too is that he is very psychic and knows exactly how I feel and what I am thinking even when we are 1,000 miles apart. If I am angry at him, he feels my anger and every other emotion I have. Talk about feeling totally exposed!
DMV - if you have any tips that have worked for you to emotionally detach, do share.
Posted by Rambunctious76Posted by Jasmine66Posted by DMV
There are days I wish he would be a monumental jerk so the threads that bond would be cut and I could move on. It was easier to do during the years we were just friends, but now we work and teach together making it more challenging.
wow, you sound just like me. You have to emotionally remove yourself from the situation with him. its the only way you will see clear.
after you detach you will feel so much better.
libra moons are cunning, charming, and seem to know when to go back on their word. their timing is impeccable.
Yes, I have a long and sordid track record with Libra men. They absolutely do know the moment you have had it and are about to bail and then lay on the charm thick. The challenge I have with him too is that he is very psychic and knows exactly how I feel and what I am thinking even when we are 1,000 miles apart. If I am angry at him, he feels my anger and every other emotion I have. Talk about feeling totally exposed!
DMV - if you have any tips that have worked for you to emotionally detach, do share.
I'm going to jump in here (just because I can 😛 )
I am currently in the process of detaching myself from a Scorp sun. Like yours, it's difficult for me to detach because sadly, she hasn't been a bitch to me in any way, and always seems to want to help me out here and there.
But I can't go on like this. She's used to getting attention from me almost everyday. So now I've cut down my attention-giving time gradually. Last week she didn't hear from me for 2 days. This week it's going to be 3 days, next week 4. By the time she goes back to her home town for Christmas, it would be easier for me. No contact for 2 weeks.
So maybe try cutting down on regular contact? And try to make more time for other people, distract yourself with other people.click to expand
Yeah - I am pulling back as much as I can and striving get out more with friends and create other distractions for myself to get him off my mind. The challenge is I do need to be in regular contact with him because we work together. There has been a weird vibe from him the last few days and he seems to be retreating a bit, but I am used

Posted by Jasmine66
@Pathfinder
Yeah, this whole Scorp thing with testing makes me nuts. Putting on my duck suit...
I know he trusts me, he tells me there is no one in the world he trusts more than me. I am definitely NOT going to make any moves, this is his deal and I am no beggar...He is an expert at making me nuts...Just recently, I was in his city and staying at his apartment ... he was showing me all of his favorite places and asked me if I could see myself living there ... went into detail about the King sized bed he just bought and that he hadn't had one since he was married... Sometimes I think he just takes great pleasure in tormenting me... Backing away into my 'friendly agnostic' stance.
Wow, and he claims he doesn't want romantic intimacy with you... Clearly the emotional connection between the two of you is bonded tight -- little wiggle room -- scorpio choke-hold :^)
Jaz, it's up to you to get off this EMO see-saw. Not that you haven't tried. Your connection you feel for him is just as powerful as he feels for you. So if resignation is not an option for you, then you must get out his PERSONAL VIBE. You have got to DE-personalize your association with him.
Look at this: 1.) You have told him how you feel about him. 2.) He has told you how he feels about you. So regardless of what it LOOKS/Feels like (to you or other people), SEE it for What it IS, dear. The sooner you face that this man is JUST a Business colleague, and NOT a potential Love Interest, the sooner you get your power back. Wake up out of the fantasy -- this vibe is kryptonite for y'all.
Once you do this, I think you will feel a very liberating kind of energy that's very pleasant. He will be cool to work with again, with No more fearing that you will lose his respect. On the contrary, I think he will truly feel this energy transference that he won't be able to get back from you. Not saying that he will change and come after you romantically, and I'm not saying he won't. But you will have gotten your "free will" back. Maybe this is what he WANTS you to have with him. Your feelings for him on a personal level are interfering with your position as his business colleague, and it may be irresistible (for him) to not use this, from time to time, to his advantage.
Posted by pathfinderPosted by Jasmine66
@Pathfinder
Yeah, this whole Scorp thing with testing makes me nuts. Putting on my duck suit...
I know he trusts me, he tells me there is no one in the world he trusts more than me. I am definitely NOT going to make any moves, this is his deal and I am no beggar...He is an expert at making me nuts...Just recently, I was in his city and staying at his apartment ... he was showing me all of his favorite places and asked me if I could see myself living there ... went into detail about the King sized bed he just bought and that he hadn't had one since he was married... Sometimes I think he just takes great pleasure in tormenting me... Backing away into my 'friendly agnostic' stance.click to expand
Wow, and he claims he doesn't want romantic intimacy with you... Clearly the emotional connection between the two of you is bonded tight -- little wiggle room -- scorpio choke-hold :^)
Jaz, it's up to you to get off this EMO see-saw. Not that you haven't tried. Your connection you feel for him is just as powerful as he feels for you. So if resignation is not an option for you, then you must get out his PERSONAL VIBE. You have got to DE-personalize your association with him.
Look at this: 1.) You have told him how you feel about him. 2.) He has told you how he feels about you. So regardless of what it LOOKS/Feels like (to you or other people), SEE it for What it IS, dear. The sooner you face that this man is JUST a Business colleague, and NOT a potential Love Interest, the sooner you get your power back. Wake up out of the fantasy -- this vibe is kryptonite for y'all.
Once you do this, I think you will feel a very liberating kind of energy that's very pleasant. He will be cool to work with again, with No more fearing that you will lose his respect. On the contrary, I think he will truly feel this energy transference that he won't be able to get back from you. Not saying that he will change and come after you romantically, and I'm not saying he won't. But you will have gotten your "free will" back. Maybe this is what he WANTS you to have with him. Your feelings for him on a personal level are interfering with your position as his business colleague, and it may be irresistible (for him) to not use this, from time to time, to
Posted by IrresistableScorp
Clearly this guy is being insincere regarding his romantic (or rather lack of) feelings for you. He seems to exhibit all the traits of a man who is interested.
However, he has clearly stated that he doesnt want a relationship with you. You tried directness with him by asking him not to treat you affectionately to no avail. You are now trying silent emotional detachment which might work or might just make him step up his weird little game he's got going.
Frankly, if you really want to get your point across you need to back it up with language. You can be very nice but be dismissive verbally. So if he says something like "I trust you more than anyone." You say something like *giggle* "sure you do lol. That's so cute. You're funny". *smile*
Each and every time his actions or words cross a boundary into "romantic" dismiss it sweetly. Don't let that work on you anymore. Ain't nobody got time for that. Nice but dismissive and then see what happens. Go about your wonderful life. I just think the whole non-verbal cues won't hammer your point enough. You deserve the gold medal not the crumbs. Remember that.
I like your tips about being politely dismissive when he crosses boundaries or tries to manipulate me emotionally. He is a powerful and alluring presence in so many ways and we have so much fun together and create together - he holds so many of the qualities that I would want in a man except the most important one, that he doesn't want me. This is going to be an interesting process of extricating my heart and emotions out of his web and I absolutely deserve gold and not the crumbs!

Posted by IrresistableScorp
Clearly this guy is being insincere regarding his romantic (or rather lack of) feelings for you. He seems to exhibit all the traits of a man who is interested.
However, he has clearly stated that he doesnt want a relationship with you. You tried directness with him by asking him not to treat you affectionately to no avail. You are now trying silent emotional detachment which might work or might just make him step up his weird little game he's got going.
Frankly, if you really want to get your point across you need to back it up with language. You can be very nice but be dismissive verbally. So if he says something like "I trust you more than anyone." You say something like *giggle* "sure you do lol. That's so cute. You're funny". *smile*
Each and every time his actions or words cross a boundary into "romantic" dismiss it sweetly. Don't let that work on you anymore. Ain't nobody got time for that. Nice but dismissive and then see what happens. Go about your wonderful life. I just think the whole non-verbal cues won't hammer your point enough. You deserve the gold medal not the crumbs. Remember that.
yup, I had to do this. Fish out the bullshit. Dismiss those romantic sayings.

He will pick up on the fact that his words aint doin shit with you. How fantastic you will feel when younhave that mental clarity.
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