Pan-Horus, true ruler?

I ran into a page a while back that said Pan-Horus is the true planetary ruler of Taurus, but until that planet is found Venus is the surrogate ruler? i can't really find any more information about it...

here's an excerpt i found:
"1. Among astrological circles, it is believed that the true planet which governs the
sign of Taurus is one tentatively named Pan-Horus (Pan being the Roman/Greek God of
Shepherds and Ruler of Earth Forces, and Horus being the Egyptian Sky God responsible
the restoration of immortal bodies) which will, in time, become the Bull's official
planetary ruler, leaving Venus with domination over the sign of Libra only. Believed
to be located beyond the orbit of Pluto, Pan-Horus was first "discovered" in the
1970s, but little else is known of its existence at this time."

from http://www.novareinna.com/constellation/taurusplanet.html<BR> i'm just wondering if anyone here knows anything about it? i'm a little skeptical as to how a planet which hasn't been discovered yet can be predesignated to rule a sign... and how another planet (venus) would just relinquish control at a quasi-arbitrary point in time?
it would make more sense to me if pan-horus was always and will always be the ruler of taurus, or if the belief and anticipation of pan-horus was a result of an astrological error in the dark ages or something
has anyone any thoughts on this? almost every site i read up about pan-horus says the same thing, that it hasn't been discovered yet... how can people in general expect something if there is no trace of it? it kind of does make sense, afterall mercury is the only other planet that rules two signs and supposedly another planet, Vulcan(?) is expected to appear and lead virgo in place of mercury....

here's a site on Vulcan:
http://www.lovestarz.com/vulcan.html<BR> "Each time this repeated circle of discovery occurs, it manifests in the same pattern - or order of discovery - and the last two original planetary rulers to be re-discovered are always (in each cycle) Vulcan, the true ruler of Virgo ? then Horus (Pan-Horus), the true ruler of Taurus. Virgo presently shares with Gemini the rulership of Mercury, although Mercury is the true ruler of Gemini, and is only ?on loan?, so to speak, to Virgo. Just as Taurus presently shares with Libra the rulership of Venus, although Venus is the true ruler of Libra, and is only ?on loan?, so to speak, to Taurus."

taurus/libra comparison/compatibility:
http://songsdomain.tripod.com/tauruslibra/page2.html<BR> "You say that Taurus is also ruled by Venus? Yes, but with serious reservations. Venus is not the true or natural ruler of the Bulls. Taurus is only borrowing the guidance and influence of Venus from Libra, until the real Taurean ruling planet, Pan-Horus, is telescopically discovered and once again identified. Therefore, although the Bulls also have the benefit of Venus sweetness, tenderness, and softness, she doesn't bestow upon them quite all of her favours (such as her secret strategy) as she does with Librans. Rather like a woman doesn't tell all her secrets to every man she guides and influences - only to her true lover, the one who possesses her heart. Pan-Horus will shower Taureans with other kinds of power. Wait. (The Bulls will. They're patient.) "

just as i'm coming to grips with having 7 of my 9 planets ruled by venus (tau- sun, merc, venus, mars ; lib-jup, sat, pluto ... not to mention chiron in taurus and juno in libra) and wondering why i feel so out of place, i'm not exactly relishing this information 🙂

I have read about Pan-Horus and Vulcan as well. It did not come as too-surprising to me though. It kind of make sense to me since every other sign has its own ruler, so should Taurus and Virgo.

I think we should also take into consideration that astrology has been around for ages too but the discoveries of some planets were quite recent, for example, Pluto, which is only discovered (reportedly) in 1930. One thing I'm not sure is whether the assignment of these ruling planets started in modern astrology, after the discovery of these nine planets, or long before it. This should be an interesting topic. Looking forward to more comments! 🙂

In the news recently:

"LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - A planet about 1 1/2 times the size of Pluto was discovered orbiting about 9 billion miles from the sun by an astronomer at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, officials said on Friday.

The new planet, known as 2003UB313, has been identified as the most distant object ever detected orbiting the sun and ranks as the solar system's 10th planet, astronomer Michael Brown said.

Brown said the new planet, a body of rock and ice, was detected in January by the Samuel Oschin Telescope at the Palomar Observatory near San Diego.

The new planet went undiscovered for so long because its orbit is tilted at a 45-degree angle to the orbital plane of the other planets, Brown said.

It orbits the sun once every 560 years, he said."

Source: http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=scienceNews&storyID=2005-07-29T233518Z_01_N29231880_RTRIDST_0_SCIENCE-SPACE-PLANET-DC.XML

hallo missbovine 🙂
that vulcan page seems pretty interesting, i read through a bit of it last night... i'm slightly skeptical as to how the author came to draw his character analysis of "virginians"? (i'm assuming that's what he's labeling virgos under the influence of vulcan?)

i did however come across this thread via google on some other forum after i posted here yesterday:
http://consciousevolution.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB1&Number=705&page=&view=&sb=&o=&vc=1<BR> which i thought originally linked the vulcan page, but can't seem to find the post that has it now. i do remember that the user 'Carlo' claimed authorship... he said he was working on one for pan-horus-- maybe it was another link (i've got way too many windows open right now!) but the dates look like they are all from 99, so i would imagine he would have been done the pan-horus essay by now if he actually endeavored to do so...
i'm still looking around the net for more info, but it looks kind of redundant and very very general. i meant to look up some books on it yesterday at b&n but got stuck in the gardening section, heh 🙂

ohh, that's an interesting article... (i must have been in the middle of writing my post when you posted)

there are so many oddities to me here! the planetary orbit axis is tilted at a 45 deg in relation to the rest? i wonder how something like that could happen? i'm not sure what all of this means, i'm terrible at astro-physics!

thanks for the link missbovine, definitely some wonderful things to ponder🙂

hmmm well, i guess the most obvious question now is would this be vulcan or pan-horus...

Hi venusasapenis! (I like your screenname by the way... 😉)

I did not have much time to really read through the articles you posted above but I did "look" through. Interesting for sure!

Yesterday, I was also googling for more information on Pan-Horus, or specifically, the characteristics of Pan-Horus that would otherwise influenced Taurus, but unfortunately had not discovered any significant/worthwhile article.

Gardening, eh? Hehe. How Taurean is that? 😉

*LOL* I'm not good at astrophysics as well, but one thing's for sure, we may have a tenth planet soon! I think it could be the much-anticipated Pan-Horus, since astrologers had suggested Vulcan to be the closest planet to the Sun, before Mercury.

thanks missbovine --when i first checked your profile i thought you were a virgo married to a taurus or something hehe 🙂
ahhh, i remember skimming through that somwhere now, how vulcan would be near mercury... maybe that is why mercury is virgo's surrogate leader
with that logic tho... i dunno, i suppose i can understand how venus would be the surrogate mother to taureans... especially since it took so long to find pluto and the farther away, "interpersonal(?)" planet....does this mean that if this planet is pan-horus, it would play a more inter-personal/(socially focused) role since it would be the farthest planet from the sun now?
this is starting to make a bit of sense to me, because it always seems that taureans are distant themselves, in a world of their own-- i feel like that quite often, and a lot of my taurean friends appear to be quite, quite, detatched (myself included, it has made relationships difficult because of misunderstandings)
i suppose this would also imply that there will be Horus signs we each have also?

oh here is another excerpt from the vulcan page about previous sharing of planetary rulerships:
"An example: At one time, both Pisces and Sagittarius were ruled by Jupiter ? until Neptune was discovered as the original and therefore natural (or true) ruler of Pisces. At one time, both Aquarius and Capricorn were ruled by Saturn ? until Uranus was discovered as the original and therefore natural ruler of Aquarius. (Abraham Lincoln was a Saturn-ruled Aquariun, Franklin Roosevelt a Uranus-ruled Aquarian). Uranus was rediscovered by a farm boy named Herschel, and was called by his name at first. But metaphysicians knew that the planet?s true name was Uranus ? and sure enough, the fuddy-duddy astronomers later re-named it Uranus, as all Gurus knew they would eventually be guided to do by Universal plan. How was it known that the planet?s real name was Uranus? Through karmic soul memory, since each planet has been ?discovered? countless times in the past. (Isn?t it strange that those scientific and astronomer types who are so skeptical of mystical matters and Universal Law are, nevertheless, magnetized to behave exactly as prophesied? Perhaps not so strange as amusing. The ?gods? and the Masters of Karma do have a sense of humor, you know.)

To continue, Aries and Scorpio were both ruled by Mars and Scorpio, until Scorpio?s true and natual ruler, Pluto, was discovered. And so on."

if it helps i can just post the related excerpts, there's a bunch of less pertinent information on a lot of those links

i'm not really sure where to find information on pan-horus characteristics? I'm gonna try to look up "Horus" in mythology and see what i can gather if anything...
just as soon as this headache passes hehe 🙂

oh yah, the gardening! i was so jealous of the beautiful layouts and design in the books that i couldn't put them down! i was only looking at 2 books but it managed to take me a couple of hours hehe

"because it always seems that taureans are distant themselves, in a world of their own-- i feel like that quite often, and a lot of my taurean friends appear to be quite, quite, detatched (myself included, it has made relationships difficult because of misunderstandings)
i suppose this would also imply that there will be Horus signs we each have also?"

I am like that too. I have this tendency to act "unfriendly" with friends and acquaintances which are rather close to me. It is definitely not good. I do not understand why I do that too, I guess it's because of my sense of self-sufficient. I do not seek people out but rather, let them come to me. I realize that friends who notice this trend in me find it confusing. So now I know I can blame my "true" ruling planet for this. 😉

Hey, the second excerpt was interesting! I hope, in time, "magnetized," "prophesied," "karma," or otherwise, they will decide to name the tenth planet Pan-Horus. Can wait to get away from Venus... even though I do enjoy its influence on us. Oh, that means you'll have to change your name... hehe.

"I am like that too. I have this tendency to act "unfriendly" with friends and acquaintances which are rather close to me. It is definitely not good. I do not understand why I do that too, I guess it's because of my sense of self-sufficient. I do not seek people out but rather, let them come to me. I realize that friends who notice this trend in me find it confusing. So now I know I can blame my "true" ruling planet for this. 😉"

wow i totally know how u feel, particularly the self-sufficient part! alot of times, i feel like everyone's babysitter (which is fine... i just can't understand why even if i'm at a party and have had the same amount to drink as everyone else, i'm the only one sober enough to make sure ppl get home safely at the end of the night)

i didn't even realize they had already discovered it! (or that the article you linked was from friday and recent news!) after seeing it on the news last night, my jaw kind of dropped and i looked it up on bbc site and found two more related articles

unidentified object -> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4726733.stm<BR>
identified as a planet -> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4730061.stm<BR>
this must be pan-horus because of the half ice/half rock composition! i went to the library yesterday to research both Pan and Horus but didn't get much beyond their typical stories: (i hope i don't butcher this, but this is how i perceived the story)

Horus was the son of Osiris and Isis-- Set was Osiris' twin brother i believe? they were brothers, regardless, fighting for power over Egypt... Set murdered Osiris (debatably, because he accidentally impregnated Set's wife, one dark and lonely night), and when Isis searched for and found her husband's body, she wept and mourned... she "miraculously" became pregnant with a reincarnation of Osiris-- as Horus, their son. the way in which she became pregnant is debatable (either by laying on the dead body? or by "flighting around the palace as a bird" -- this is one of the parts that was a little vague) Eventually Horus seek and found revenge for his father's death upon Set...
here's another excerpt from one of the books i found:
"Meskhetiu, the egyptian name for the big dipper, identifies it as the leg of set, and it was one of the trophies in dispute in the story often called "the contendings of horus and set." There, too, it's distinctive celestial propertise inspired the egyptians to exploit it as a symbol of order, renewal, kingship.
horus was the son of osiris and set was his adversary. Set's murder of osiris and his challenge of Horus' legitimacy and right to rule all of egypt were what ignited the quarrel They inflicted serious trauma on each other in a series of battles. Set gouged out the left eye of horus, but set also suffered indignities. on one occasion his testicles were squeezed off. horus may have worn the white hat here, but he was obviously capable of striking a low blow. set's leg was also torn away. it's easy to see why horus wanted set's leg. as the symbol of the undyiing dipper, it had the power to bring osiris back to life"

unfortunately i couldn't find any character analysis on either pan or horus! there is spposedly a book dedicated to horus and set called "The Conflict of Horus and Seth" (1960) J. Gwyn Griffiths
i'm a total dumbass, i should have looked it up while i was at the library! i already had a stack of books so high, though, that i was teasing the border of the greed of knowlege haha 🙂 after an hour and a half of taking notes tho anyway, my headache started to come back
but anyway, that excerpt above was taken from "Beyond the Blue Horizon of the sun, moon, stars, and planets" by Dr. E. C. Krupp

Pan was a little more tricky to get info on-- only found one or two books that even mentioned him, (and one... odd picture of a drawing where he's grinning mischievously hehe-- that representation looked very

awsome page on pan:
http://www.infosystems.eku.edu/student/benge2/panpage.htm<BR> "Everybody has heard of Pan, and would even know him if they met him. A Greek god with the physique, not of a Greek god, but of a small man with a goatee beard and reed pipes, and the hind-quarters, horns and sexual habits of a goat."
"Pan had many attributes as a god. He was the god of goats, and sheep, and their shepherds. He was the god of bee keeping. He was also a god of music, playing upon the reed pipes he made from the transformed body of the nymph Syrinx (the one that got away). It was said that this music could inspire panic (the root of the word) in any who heard it. Sometimes he was a minor god of the sea. He was a god of prophesy and was also famous for being randy (Greek women with a track record were known as Pan girls). Above all he was the god of nature: meadows, forests, beasts, and even human nature. Unlike the other, more heroic Grecian deities, Pan's adventures tended toward the comical. King Midas (after his recovery from the gilding incident) was asked to judge a musical contest between Pan and Apollo. When Midas chose Apollo Pan punished him by giving him the ears of an ass."
"In another farce Pan was in persuit of Omphale, the queen of Lydia, but on the crucial night she had swapped clothes with Hercules (don't ask) and so Pan mistakenly got into bed with him instead and got kicked across the room. After that he banned all clothing at his religious rites and spread rumours that Hercules was a transvestite."

and my favorite part, i couldn't describe my life style more precisely:
"Then there were the satyrs, an entire race of Pan-like beings, who lounged in woods and by streams, eating, drinking and fornicating, and not much else. The Romans called them incubi or fauns, and the iron age Celts were said to believe in dusii. These were not gods but nature spirits, and were not worshipped but only believed in, and perhaps propitiated."

and for my pimp, tiamat... 😉
http://www.infosystems.eku.edu/student/benge2/tiamatpage.htm

pimpette seems more appropriate hehe

Yeah,pimpetes more appopriate,I got boobs,not much;B's,but still boobs.

I can't get rid of them,sorry.

that's cool, i happen to be quite fond of breasts 😉

i dunno about you guys but my neck has been killin me lately
i've been acting a bit rash and showy lately too, all since friday (scratches head and ponders)

hmmm pan and horus... i wondre how and why two minor gods combined to form this new planetary ruler....

Ehh,either way,it's still a good thing with this topic just for the fact that it's gets away from the average topics.The mythology part of astrology is the interesting part for me,otherwise I don't put to much faith in the stuff.

yaah, the belief and structure must have come from somewhere-- i suppose that's why i was so interested in it from the start also 🙂 i guess i feel a bit safer if i approach the topic inquisitively and look for reasons why things are the way they are🙂

http://www.touregypt.net/godsofegypt/horus.htm<BR>
http://www.infosystems.eku.edu/student/benge2/panpage.htm<BR>
both Pan and Horus were the sons of Osiris (hense Pan-Horus)

still looking for more info as well, great stuff on this message board too. thanks to all

I had no clue this site has been up for this long of time.