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@Phantom_Dangus

The reason I'm calling all those women Thots, is essentially because to PRETEND to be a cheater or that you are willing to cheat. Pretty much makes you a cheater.

There are too many intersecting arguments that crop up and get in the way when trying to discuss the ordeal between Kitten and his haters. One example among those comes with the assertion that "it's just a joke". Cause then that brings up the discussion of whether ANYTHING is really "just a joke" or not. I personally have never believed that line of reasoning. It's one thing if you're trying to defend the world of Jokes unto itself. Like if you were arguing over whether a stand up comedian on a public stage should be allowed to make that joke. In which case sure, anything is off limits.

But in a heated dramatic moment where one person is saying something to hurt someone else? First of all, that situation unto itself renders the argument moot. That has NEVER been a genuine moment of "JK". That's what EVERY person cops out when they blurt out something offensive or something that reflects negatively on their character. If they said it as an /insult/ then it was never intended to be a /JOKE/ and whoever seriously tries to pass it off as one is just a goddamn walking, breathing, living fucking joke unto themselves.

Nevermind that I know how that shit works myself. As if I have never said anything out of vengeful spite? Out of a seething anger of wanting to smash that person's face in, but otherwise can't so I have to settle for passive aggression instead? I know that when I say something like that, on some level I do really mean it. Am I saying there is no such thing as saying shit we don't really mean? No, not at all. What I am saying is kind of an oxymoron. What I believe is, that when pressured and when taking to our darker side... we mean different things than we usually would. Our sensibilities, what we think and feel, etc... unto itself changes and inverses.

Using myself as an example, I can full on admit that I become willing to be Sexist or Racist when I'm engulfed in my dark side. Not that I have a particular tendency towards those traits. Those are circumstantial and pop up when the situation is pretty central to those dark feelings(Such as when I'm on DXP/The Internet discussing gender roles n shit, etc.) in the first place. Hell I even know my darkest characteristic of all. My truest deepest darkest reflection. It's so bad I won't ever discuss it here on DXP.

The point is though I acknowledge it and I own it. It is what it is. The PROBLEM is that all those women hilariously deny that Cheating isn't a part of their dark side, when it oh so clearly is.

Did you get a job yet?

Posted by _Dazed

Did you get a job yet?

Did you get an original criticism yet?

Posted by Count_Chocula

I need a chatter box libra

Posted by Count_Chocula

Didn’t read but I haven’t seen three ads in one post before, you might’ve broken a record. First one was for migraine medications, it’s a warning

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THIS POST ISN'T EVEN THAT LONG, STOP STEALING OTHER PEOPLE'S JOKES JUST TO TRY AND FIT IN.

Posted by Erinelda

Oh lord. Why are you tagging my her in this? Is she your new personal care attendant?

How will you pay her with no job?

This post is relevant to you too, or are you just using this post as a misdirect because you cannot address the undeniable truth in the OP.

Posted by Count_Chocula

those are my very own shitty jokes tyvm

Any variation of "YOUR POSTS ARE LONG AND IM TOO STUPID TO KEEP UP", is not an original joke. Everybody and their mamma says that to me.

Posted by AscendentTranshumanist

Posted by _Dazed

Did you get a job yet?

Did you get an original criticism yet?

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You're a drain on the economy.. so yes.

Posted by Erinelda

Just wondering.. have you ever actually looked up the definition of the word "pretend".

You're trying to make an argument, when you completely refuse to address the other side's arguments. That is quite simply not how logical debate works, nor how truth works. You have simply lost, I already refuted your argument even here and now because it was already adressed in my post that you were too stupid to read... which I can justify in saying that last bit, because the whole sequence has it so that literally you are making an argument that was already addressed. I'm like 10 steps ahead of you, that is why I call you stupid INB4 "OMG HE'S INSULTING ME, STOP ALL DISCUSSION".

Posted by Phantom_Dangus

I do see the effort you made to make this post shorter and coherent and to leave out unnecessary attacks and insults. Thanks for that!

No offense, but the ONLY reason I did so was because analyzing and criticizing /you/ is a separate subject from what I am currently trying to discuss. But it does need to be said here and now, that you actually have a MAJOR issue with maintaining objectivity because of your personal feelings. Which FYI, emotion and feelings are categorically irrational and false. That's just a fact.

Fact is, even in the realm of personal criticism and insult... it is NEVER correct to /run/ from criticism. It is invalid and wrong to scapegoat and avoid negative criticism. Because fact is, to do so... implies that you simply think, regardless of logic or reason, that you are never wrong. That's what your attitude implies.

People say I always think I am right and never believe I am wrong. But at least I confront what they say head on. If you run from something simply because it "hurts". Then it implies you believe personal feeling trumps universal objective truth. It's just Ego and arrogance in it's own right, masked under the disguise of Victimhood.

Fact is, we are all wrong and we are all sinful. Nobody shits glitter, if you catch my drift. So we are all, always, wrong... in one way or another. So we always have something to work on and learn and improve. That means that when someone criticizes us. What matters first and foremost is whether what they are saying is True or not. That should be your first concern. If you can objectively determine that what they say is not true, then that's the end of that. No need to listen to naysayers who only speak nonsense and lies. But if what they say is true... then running from it is just going to leave you trapped in your flaw. You won't grow or improve.

Hell even in the more recent examples. For instance when I called something you said stupid. It was relying upon the actual logical rebuttal that I gave to show how your reasoning was false. Only then did I denounce it with a negative term. So technically, you COULD HAVE, refuted my argument and then said "so who's the stupid one now"... or if you could not refute it. Then maybe just say "Look man, maybe I was wrong but that doesn't make me stupid."

But then again, that's a bit extreme for the situation anyways. Like I said I don't see how I would have seriously thought you were stupid, when I barely knew you. I don't know how you read my intentions as a /personal/ insult. But then, that's why we have communication issues. Because we're different.

Posted by Phantom_Dangus

I disagree with the premise, though. I do think that most of the people who told Kittens they would cheat on him were joking. Some were mad and exploding (mostly the ones who got called ugly, because women _really_ hate to be called ugly), but also some who were just amused. They were being facetious. They wouldn't really cheat on him or hope someone would. They're teasing him because his refrains are so silly.

I can't tell you what percentage of women would cheat out of spite. I can only tell you I wouldn't, and I don't personally know anyone who has. Do you think it's possible that getting cheated on by someone you loved traumatized you enough that you overreact to topics on cheating? I think that might be happening. I was traumatized for years after my first love cheated on me.

When we go to say something spiteful, we always try to play it off like we didn't really mean it. But what about when you break down the actual steps of what's happening here, especially psychologically?

Because the problem is just how much people act like these situations are all just mindless blind action. As if no forethought went into it. But I call bullshit because I myself have been in the same exact situation countless times and I can tell you... That explicitly, when we go to say some really bad shit. For the sake of saying bad shit. Be it to bother someone or whatever. That it is explicitly required that we first run through our heads, what we are /willing/ to say.

In order to even breach that boundary in the first place? You don't think a person is immediately aware of what they are saying, what it means, how it sounds, etc? I've had times where I TRIED to cross that barrier, and I couldn't because of the sheer repugnance at the idea of Cheating.

It's a premeditated action. They HAD to of planned doing it, despite knowing what it is they were saying. Thus they must have meant it. When something is premeditated, we don't do something we don't mean. That would be pointless because if we in our judgement can determine that we don't really mean it, then we would instead opt for something we ARE actually willing to say or do, while actually meaning it. That is after all the very definition of "not meaning it"... to say, that it was /AN ACCIDENT/ NOT DELIBERATELY PREMEDITATED.

This becomes 10 fold when you realize we are talking about people doing this ONLINE, where you really have to GO OUT OF YOUR WAY, to do it. It's not the same as when you are just circumstantially in the presence of family, and conversations and interaction are more inherent and forced. Online they had to go to his thread and type out what they wanted to say in his topic. It wasn't just some off hand remark that a person blurted out in the moment of an ongoing discussion.

Right about now, Phantom is pondering what the fuck she just got herself into. lol

@Phantom_Dangus

So basically, you're just re-affirming that you're so delusional that you believe you can just silence all sources of Cognitive Dissonance and dissension which questions and criticizes you. As you please.

Posted by Phantom_Dangus

No. Most of them are just being sarcastic to point out how absurd Kittens is. Even Kittens seems to understand this. You're the only one who is confused about it. Do you ever use sarcasm?

You literally just said "No". do you know how logical debate works? You actually have to go through everything I said and address it directly? You can't just go "No, because of this completely off the side train of thought that completely skips over what you said."

That's what we call Red Herring fallacy.

Posted by Phantom_Dangus

No. I don't have to do that at all.

Do you know how logical debate works?

Posted by Phantom_Dangus

Posted by nikkistar

Right about now, Phantom is pondering what the fuck she just got herself into. lol

Sometimes I wade right into it like I don't even see it.

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Hehehehehe. lol

@Phantom_Dangus

I'm guessing the answer is No? Then you forfeit your right to an opinion, as you do not hold a logical narrative. Your so called "opinion" does not have a logical structure, and thus cannot make a logical deduction. Therefore it is nonsense and categorically Untrue.

Posted by AscendentTranshumanist

Posted by _Dazed

Did you get a job yet?

Did you get an original criticism yet?

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Red Herring Fallacy

Posted by Phantom_Dangus

Of course, I do. What you are doing is not logical debate. You're just taking a mental dump on all of us. It stinks.

Says the person who avoided actually refuting any of my arguments? If you know how logical debate works, then you know it's not as simple as "Person A: Makes so and so argument. Person B: Makes their own independent argument not at all touching upon Person A's argument"

Watch an actual formal debate on youtube. Whenever either side makes an argument, they literally HAVE to stop and resolve the problems presented by the other person's argument BEFORE THEY CAN MAKE THEIR OWN ARGUMENT. That's how logic works.

Otherwise, if you haven't refuted what I said and only said something that is BESIDES the point of what I said. Then technically, you are conceding to what I have already said. You are admitting everything I said is true, functionally speaking. While paradoxically saying "no" and arguing for your side still.

It doesn't make comprehensible sense. You avoided what I said, because you COULDN'T refute it.