Caner male Confused with Virgo fiancee.. Not sure what to do

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So we have been dating for 3 years, we got engaged 12 months ago. Generally we don't argue and if we do it is usually about her teenagers. We usually work things out and talk things through but this time it's different. She just stopped talking to me 2 weeks ago.

She is super stressed with money, her children, her alimony running out in 9 months and our distance.

We have been living together for the past year. I built an addition onto my home so her kids could be in a better school system and of course we could be together. I love her with all my heart, she is my sole-mate. The kids and the mother and I'm me stressed her out and she gave into the kids and moved out. I was devastated because I spent my last $ 50,000 that I had in saving so we could all be together.

She or her mother did it on her own volition called me out of the blue to tell me that she is going through a lot right now and to not call her or text her just give her sometime.

Issues she is dealing with

1. Alimony running out in 9 months and she can't afford to live after it runs out

2. Her ex husband (she hates him) legal issue because he is facing criminal charges. She might be taking the teenagers (14 and 17) full time if he goes to jail.

3. She recently moved out of my house because the kids complained they were too far from their high school so she moved on the other side of town.

4. Her mother is trying to break us up for some reason on which I can't understand. Her mother is a complete miserable person and only brings other down. She is completely jealous of our situation. I'm very affectionate and caring and her man treats her like shit and uses her.

What is she thinking, and is there anything I can do to help? I really don't want to contact her because she just stopped talking to me for no reason. She needs to come to me so we can work things out and be honest with me. I think she is hiding something or she is scared. She created this mess. Her bills went from $ 800 a month when she was living with me to $ 3,000 a month to moving closer to the kids schools.

I recently asked her to commit to living with me in 4 years when the kids go off to college. I think she still feels guilty that she got a divorce 4 years ago. He cheated on her. Help!!! I have always been loyal, loving, caring and considerate of her space especially when it comes to her kids.

VIRGO Women I need some advice...

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I understand the decision to move out and it was supposed to be done of their own volition, without passing it by you. She is a parent and her children come first..before any partner. You cannot find fault/be offended over that.

However, 2 weeks of no contact is disrespectful. If the picture you painted in that post is true (Cancers have a way of glossing over their own deeds)..then yes, you have been nothing but considerate and should not reach to her. It's also not ok to stay in limbo so if your patience runs out, I would consider ending things here. I mean if she reaches out you still need to draw a clear boundary that it's not ok in a partnership to go off with no contacts for weeks. It's not ok for days, let alone weeks.

Don't buy the Virgo excuse of being stressed out and needing space. We do go hermit and that's something we address with friends when we fall out of contact for a while. We never do that to partners, no Virgo who is committed to someone does that shit. And you don't want a Virgo who is wishy washy on your side, it will easily veer into opportunism.
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thanks for both of your comments:



To Damnata

The only thing I can say is that I did stress her about her kids. But it only comes from love for the kids and concern. I want them to be successful and Independence and she does everything for them. Their 17 year old son doesn't even have a job and he is suppose to pay for college all by him self. I have tried to help in in many ways. By taking him to interviews, talking to him about dating, and I tried for him to work for me but he called in sick 4 days in a row. He is a good kid but he lazy as shit and he knows it.

I think she is a good mom and I have told her numerous times but she cripples her kids. She does everything for her 2 teenagers and it drives me nuts. She is setting them up for failure on in life. For Christ sake her 17 year son just learned how to use the microwave 2 weeks ago. She won't allow them to fail. I have told her kids needs to fail in order to grow. This has been our biggest issue since we starting dating.

She promised me before she moved in that her son would be driving by the end of Junior year and had a job so he could save for college. She never did anything to help him succeed and just blew it off. I felt bad for him so I tried to help him but he was too timid or lazy to work. This would take the burden off of her by spending 2 hours in traffic since she refused to make the kids change school districts. My school distinct is the best and kids one is not so hot.

This is the only real issue that we have had.
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She is not normally selfish but she is acting selfish, childish, DISRESPECTFUL, uncaring and just fucking rude! Who does this shit to man she loves. 2 weeks ago she said things are great and she loves me with all her heart and then

POOF!!!! Not a word for 2 weeks.

I'm not going to beg any women because I know I'm freaking awesome. I will try my best if she comes to me to work it out within reason and compromise.

Any VIRGO women know what she is thinking or feeling? What should I do.... nothing—
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Leave her alone. Cancer men can be so draining and Virgo cannot think when they are being pressured.

She seeks clarity. She cannot find it if her mind is muddled with her feelings about you.

You have to understand that yes, you are VERY important in her life, and certainly a priority.

But first come her kids.

She very well may be withholding info from you because she knows that you will try and "fix" her problem for her.

But you have to remember that Virgo seek to be as autonomous as they can, even in relationships.

If you love her and seek to preserve your relationship, leave her alone... for if you don't then things will get really messy for ya Mr. Krabs
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Most Virgo moms are helicopter mothers because they are controlling. As a result, their kids grow up sheltered and careless. Don't put gold digging/using someone past a Virgo either. They complain about their endless source of worries to other people, especially their partners, because they are looking for people to pity them and help them out. People with Virgo placements usually are the biggest users and whiners. Speaking of whining, this is why Cancers are attracted to them. They whine to each other. Also, Cancers have capt. save-a-damsel complex anyway. So they are more than happy to swoop in and help them, be it financially or emotionally. Kind of like what you're doing. You have involved your funds into the equation as well as unsolicited advice with regards to her children. You should keep your advice/opinions to yourself where it concerns her kids. They are not yours and let's not forget that your interference is neither wanted nor appreciated.
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i appreciate your advice. I agreed to not bringing up the children because it only brings up a fight. This happened abt 2 months ago. I have done my best to control it but it did come up twice in the 2 months. I will end this moving forward. I just hate both of them taking advantage of their mother and she doesn't nothing about it.

I will continue to go no contact with her until she reaches out to me.. This is just frustrating as hell because I was always there to help her with her past problem her divorce, her remodel, issue with her crazy mother who is driving us apart. Her kids mean everything to her and I will shut my mouth about them and she will have to figure that out on her own. She hates when I'm right but she does admit it.

I love her dearly but she needs to GROW UP and COMMUNICATE WHEN ISSUES ARISE. I can understand when people need space. I asked for space about 3 months when she moved out. We still talked but I didn't see her for 5 days which is rare. She need to see me every 48 hours or she goes nuts without me. .Any further advice VIRGO women??
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Posted by cancerman2272
Who loves someone and tells them they want to spend the rest of their life with them less then 2 weeks ago and then just vanishes without any explanation what so ever?


Lol the fact that you didn't even read any of our posts and insist asking "why she disappeared" is the same reason she DISAPPEARED

You are draining and this is just through text. I can imagine how you are irl
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Posted by cancerman2272
Who loves someone and tells them they want to spend the rest of their life with them less then 2 weeks ago and then just vanishes without any explanation what so ever?


Lol the fact that you didn't even read any of our posts and insist asking "why she disappeared" is the same reason she DISAPPEARED

You are draining and this is just through text. I can imagine how you are irl

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That's another problem Cancer men suffer from. They aren't attentive listeners. They aren't looking for advice or clarity from a neutral party. They are looking for sympathy while they play the victim.

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I read your comments, and I said I appreciate it.

The kids and her negative mother is draining her more. When she comes to my house she has told me she is like on vacation because she doesn't have to deal with all her issues and she gets to relax. She has the kids half the time and the other half their with their dad. She might be concerned about him going to jail and she doesn't know how I will take the news of her having the kids full time.





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Darling!

In your story...where are YOU?

Does she SEE you? At all?

Do you matter?

You either a doormat man that another woman would be happy to sweep and clean and lay on...she seems like to walk on you.

Her kids are in HS! They aren't kids anymore or won't be soon!

What is the base of your relationships?

I see none! Do you?

Kids, mother, ex...what?

Wake up!

You spent how much to built and she moved out? Her bills are ennourmous and how much is her alimony that she worry to lose it? You saying you are there for her.

So is she blind? Or stupid?

No one is dying and she has a MAN by her ass! What's her problem?

I am sorry but I have to give it to you!

You don't play a key role in her life.

Sad. Hurts. But wake up!!! You know it!

You just holding on to the air.

And it's slipping away. Let it. It's a good thing for you. You don't need this.

Because there more crap to come.

My heart goes on to you. It doesn't sound good. Take care of yourself.

❤️
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Posted by cancerman2272
Who loves someone and tells them they want to spend the rest of their life with them less then 2 weeks ago and then just vanishes without any explanation what so ever?


Lol the fact that you didn't even read any of our posts and insist asking "why she disappeared" is the same reason she DISAPPEARED

You are draining and this is just through text. I can imagine how you are irl


That's another problem Cancer men suffer from. They aren't attentive listeners. They aren't looking for advice or clarity from a neutral party. They are looking for sympathy while they play the victim.

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🙄 Exactly. It's always "poor me"

And if you look at his comments he calls her disrespectful in capital letters, and that she needs to "grow up."

There is literally no wondering as to why she has disappeared... it's clear as day
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Posted by glutton4punishment
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Posted by cancerman2272
Who loves someone and tells them they want to spend the rest of their life with them less then 2 weeks ago and then just vanishes without any explanation what so ever?


Lol the fact that you didn't even read any of our posts and insist asking "why she disappeared" is the same reason she DISAPPEARED

You are draining and this is just through text. I can imagine how you are irl


That's another problem Cancer men suffer from. They aren't attentive listeners. They aren't looking for advice or clarity from a neutral party. They are looking for sympathy while they play the victim.




🙄 Exactly. It's always "poor me"

And if you look at his comments he calls her disrespectful in capital letters, and that she needs to "grow up."

There is literally no wondering as to why she has disappeared... it's clear as day
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Which begs the question that if she's so disrespectful and needs to grow up, then why are you with her? I believe a lot of people discount the fact that their partner realizes or knows what they really think of them. This Virgo either knows through intuition or he's said it if he's ever lost it on her. The point is that he's attracted to this behaviour, if what he claims about her is true. That's more reflective of his psyche than anything.

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Clarity over what?? Her life, our relationship? All her other issues?

Why wouldn't she just tell me I need sometime to myself to figure thing out? I understand when someone needs space.... but 14 days and no contract that just andrude,selfish, and disrespectful.




I'm being awful harsh on you but in all honesty I have the exact same problem as you but with my crab. I wish my crab wanted to have contact with me as much as you're going crazy over your Virgo woman.

Maybe that's why I am so harsh.

Because I keep telling myself that he will be back.

Hang in there Mr. Krabs or let go.

That's just how Virgo are.
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Who loves someone and tells them they want to spend the rest of their life with them less then 2 weeks ago and then just vanishes without any explanation what so ever?


A selfish person ... And will say anything including they love you to give you bate .... That is not love sir ... That is why you are confused ... You should be... No one deserves to be used or taken advantage of... And yes she did take advantage of your emotions ... Recognize when someone could care less about your feelings... That's a selfish individual ... And all of her money woes are because of her own controlling selfish ways... Don't be a doormat for this woman... She seems bitter ... You deserve so much better ... Plenty of women out here would love to have man like you... This one is blocking a blessing ... It needs to be blocked with these kind of ways... Smh
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Clarity over what?? Her life, our relationship? All her other issues?

Why wouldn't she just tell me I need sometime to myself to figure thing out? I understand when someone needs space.... but 14 days and no contract that just andrude,selfish, and disrespectful.




I'm being awful harsh on you but in all honesty I have the exact same problem as you but with my crab. I wish my crab wanted to have contact with me as much as you're going crazy over your Virgo woman.

Maybe that's why I am so harsh.

Because I keep telling myself that he will be back.

Hang in there Mr. Krabs or let go.



So your a Virgo female? What issues are you have with your cancer man?

That's just how Virgo are.
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Vigos and Ghosting is just Lame and Narcissistic.... Grow up and talk to people... WTF


We do try to tell you. We ghost when we're not heard or if its something ridiculous and insulting to our intelligence.

I mean that in terms of full fledged dating someone and then ghosting. Not ghosting from the early stages.
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The bolded part is very common. It's like..hello, have you heard me? Anyone up there? Light's on but no one is home kind of thing. That or you are displaying really inconsiderate behavior and we feel there's no need even for an explanation cuz you should KNOW how to behave like a decent person.

When I'm completely disappointed, I see no point for words.

I still say every committed Virgo I know works a lot on their relationships so for them to ghost you like this..you done fucked up or you ran into some user Virgo..and those exist too.
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I think those five days that she was messaging you was your time to take back what you said and get back together... It might not even be beneficial to contact her at this point. She'll probably ignore you for years. This is where cancers go wrong with virgos. You cant hold important stuff like this over our heads. We'll just ghost.
Virgos are great at ghosting actually 😐
Especially when emotional manipulation is involved like someone we love saying they dont want to see us for three months, but they get mad when we try to live our own life in those three months. It just feels like a game. Like theyre fucking with us I guess. Or maybe just me.
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Yeah if someone I was dating said that to me...I would say..sure. See you in 3 months. And I'd never come back. If asked where I am at after 3 months I might even go the sarcasm route of "oh I thought 3 centuries. Must've misunderstood. We'll talk when that time is up"
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The evolution of this topic is exactly why I think it's Cancer men who are psycho out of the 3 water suns.

I mean you asked for answers and now you're just going off insulting her. Why do you want her back again?

Jesus.
He’d rather be “right” and in his feelings than to reach out to her to fix things. This is the major problem cancers have with virgos but not with Taurus (who is their best match) a Virgo will ghost and disappear for ages and may never come back if you just let them go. When a cancer ghosts a Taurus gentles gets them to come back.

This is also why I think virgos best water match is Scorpio. Scorpios are patient as fuck and can handle a virgos weird changes in moods.

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Virgos are actually more patient than Scorpios.

If I was in the wrong and let someone go and wanted them back...I'd go for them. I would not expect a person *I* let go to come back to *me*. It's a matter of dignity here.
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No, I didn't tell her I needed 3 months of space.



Sorry for the miscommunication

3 months ago I asked for space after her and her kids moved out. It was only 5 days of not seeing her. My text and phone call communication with her went down a ton but I didn't leave her clueless.

I was honest and straightforward. I was Extremely hurt when she moved out after I went out of my way to build and addition for her and her teenagers and she just moves out a year later. It's like she let the kids are controlling her life instead of the other way around. I needed her to stand up for US and say be happy you have an awesome home that he built for us and quit complaining because you have to drive 30 minutes away from school.

We agreed to still see each and be engaged and she would move back after they were in college....4 years from now...

This really hurt me...but I got over it... I got my space back without the kids. I missed her though

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The evolution of this topic is exactly why I think it's Cancer men who are psycho out of the 3 water suns.

I mean you asked for answers and now you're just going off insulting her. Why do you want her back again?

Jesus.
He’d rather be “right” and in his feelings than to reach out to her to fix things. This is the major problem cancers have with virgos but not with Taurus (who is their best match) a Virgo will ghost and disappear for ages and may never come back if you just let them go. When a cancer ghosts a Taurus gentles gets them to come back.

This is also why I think virgos best water match is Scorpio. Scorpios are patient as fuck and can handle a virgos weird changes in moods.


Virgos are actually more patient than Scorpios.

If I was in the wrong and let someone go and wanted them back...I'd go for them. I would not expect a person *I* let go to come back to *me*. It's a matter of dignity here.


I understand.

Thing is though dude is a cancer and all in his feelings and righteous indignation and he’s decided to be both obsessed with her/this and refuse to budge on contacting her.

Have a nice life alone I guess lol

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When I answered he hadn't mentioned the 3 months...whatever that was. Factoring that into account he has some nerve to expect her to come back and get pissed at 2 weeks.
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No, I didn't tell her I needed 3 months of space.



Sorry for the miscommunication

3 months ago I asked for space after her and her kids moved out. It was only 5 days of not seeing her. My text and phone call communication with her went down a ton but I didn't leave her clueless.

I was honest and straightforward. I was Extremely hurt when she moved out after I went out of my way to build and addition for her and her teenagers and she just moves out a year later. It's like she let the kids are controlling her life instead of the other way around. I needed her to stand up for US and say be happy you have an awesome home that he built for us and quit complaining because you have to drive 30 minutes away from school.

We agreed to still see each and be engaged and she would move back after they were in college....4 years from now...

This really hurt me...but I got over it... I got my space back without the kids. I missed her though
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You mention her kids a lot....I still don't think you understand that they are and should be a priority over you.

You keep going about US...like:

virgo woman = A

you = B

US = A+B

when reality is like:

virgo woman = A

you = B

children = C

US = (A+C) + B

using paranthesis to make you understand that A+C is an unshakeable unit. B can be replaced with anyone else, unless you get married.

i mean if you kept having arguments with me about how you think my son should be raised and this and that and seem to revolve around MY business with MY children..no wonder she needed space.
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Posted by cancerman2272
Vigos and Ghosting is just Lame and Narcissistic.... Grow up and talk to people... WTF


We do try to tell you. We ghost when we're not heard or if its something ridiculous and insulting to our intelligence.

I mean that in terms of full fledged dating someone and then ghosting. Not ghosting from the early stages.
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Topic aside for a sec...the truth is ghosting is not cool at any stage. The only exception is if the person is dangerous or abusive. With that aside, I've known plenty of Virgos to know that you all do get upset regardless of how long you've known the person. Therefore of one does not want it done to them...dont do it 🙂

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Posted by Damnata
The evolution of this topic is exactly why I think it's Cancer men who are psycho out of the 3 water suns.

I mean you asked for answers and now you're just going off insulting her. Why do you want her back again?

Jesus.
He’d rather be “right” and in his feelings than to reach out to her to fix things. This is the major problem cancers have with virgos but not with Taurus (who is their best match) a Virgo will ghost and disappear for ages and may never come back if you just let them go. When a cancer ghosts a Taurus gentles gets them to come back.

This is also why I think virgos best water match is Scorpio. Scorpios are patient as fuck and can handle a virgos weird changes in moods.

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🤢🤢 oh ion know bout all that...

I've realized Virgos are most compatible w people we usually wouldn't be.