CC told me to ask you Voygos, so...here it is.

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Posted by Damnata
1)No clue what a Voygo is.

2)You should practice integrity and not give a fuck. Men are territorial about women and the kind of men you refer to will always keep women in the wings for booty calls.

3) When you say "overly intimate", do you mean fucking or what exactly?




All good points. But how do you know when you are a booty call? I'm so confused now. Overly intimate by introducing you to their children and allowing them to call you "mom", having sex with deep intensity/making love, doing me huge favors any time or ask (or dont ask) for it, ensuring that I'm exercising and eating right,sharing deep information, being territorial...

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Posted by iamwhatiam

Overly intimate by introducing you to their children and allowing them to call you "mom"



^This part I don't believe. You must have run into someone particularly fucked up..because it's mostly women who fuck men and bring them around the house..I see it on this forum all the time.

Posted by iamwhatiam
having sex with deep intensity/making love,



^This is all subjective and it's mostly from the female perspective. It can be a one night stand, a fwb or marriage..sex is sex.

Posted by iamwhatiam
doing me huge favors any time or ask (or dont ask) for it, ensuring that I'm exercising and eating right,sharing deep information, being territorial...



^This is something a nice male friend would do for you also. Deep information can also be shared. I already addressed the territorial thing.

Since he said and did the following:

Posted by iamwhatiam
say they dont want a relationship and date other women
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= I do not want a relationship, having sex is all there was. Maybe we've been friends before and now that we've reverted to the old friendship I feel guilty for taking advantage of you...or maybe I will be nice to hit it one more time..or as many times your boundaries permit.

I know people always say to look for actions but if someone tells you straight up they don't want a relationship, it should be the cue for you to let them go (unless you're not after a relationship).

Hope some men chime in but this is how I see it.

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Posted by iamwhatiam
Why is it that men will lead you on by being overly intimate, say they dont want a relationship and date other women, but then be super pissy when you treat them as friends only? Also, why is it that men like this seem to be falling in love one moment and then iced cold the next? What is going on? What should I do about it?


So what about the men who want a relationship, but the women don't stick around for to long? Answer me that? Maybe women should he more selective of who they want instead of looking at men who don't want to be tied down.
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Posted by Damnata
Posted by iamwhatiam

Overly intimate by introducing you to their children and allowing them to call you "mom"



^This part I don't believe. You must have run into someone particularly fucked up..because it's mostly women who fuck men and bring them around the house..I see it on this forum all the time.

Posted by iamwhatiam
having sex with deep intensity/making love,



^This is all subjective and it's mostly from the female perspective. It can be a one night stand, a fwb or marriage..sex is sex.

Posted by iamwhatiam
doing me huge favors any time or ask (or dont ask) for it, ensuring that I'm exercising and eating right,sharing deep information, being territorial...



^This is something a nice male friend would do for you also. Deep information can also be shared. I already addressed the territorial thing.

Since he said and did the following:

Posted by iamwhatiam
say they dont want a relationship and date other women



= I do not want a relationship, having sex is all there was. Maybe we've been friends before and now that we've reverted to the old friendship I feel guilty for taking advantage of you...or maybe I will be nice to hit it one more time..or as many times your boundaries permit.

I know people always say to look for actions but if someone tells you straight up they don't want a relationship, it should be the cue for you to let them go (unless you're not after a relationship).

Hope some men chime in but this is how I see it.

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Damnata, I really like the way you think. You may be right. But here's some info that may help: 1.) Within the first year of us dating he never allowed me to meet his children (he was very strict about that); 2.) He also was never helpful in the ways that he is now (it was mostly about sex); 3.) He would get really uncomfortable when opening up to me (and wouldnt open up), but now it seems like he does whenever he needs to. What do you think?
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Posted by soultalk
to answer your question, these are just my thoughts, when a person says no to you and still tries to flirt with you, ask you out etc., he does not give a damn about you. a decent person will stay away from you after saying no to you and knowing you have feelings for him that he cannot return. a decent person is not selfish wanting ego boost, but respects your feelings and keeps his distance from you in order to not hurt you or give false hope to you. so when someone says one thing and acts the other way, give yourself some space to think about it all. usually keeping in touch with such a person will only give you more heartbreak. and if he really develops feelings for you or changes his mind he will come back even if you have cut contact with him. he will find you. then you can decide whether you still want him 😛

of course all this is easier said than done 😆




+1 But Soultalk, this has happened many, many times. He showed me or told me he wasnt ready and I dropped everything. Either a week(s) or a month(s) he will come back and come back stronger and more emotional. And I'm left wondering if he really is in love but with emotional issues or if he's just playing me.
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Posted by LadyOfRebirth
Either you're compatible or you're not. Simple as that. If you find yourself worrying/being miserable more often than being happy it's not what you should go for really. Relationships should contribute to your life and make you feel happy. If you're not happy then why even give that person the time of day?





You know, I think we are VERY compatible. When we're together, we are both very happy and things are right. A lot of strangers and associates who see us out think we're together and been together for awhile. But when he's gone, he acts funny and this causes me to mirror him and then things get sour.
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Posted by truecap
Keep being who you are whether he's around or not. Don't change anything you're doing. He might be mirroring your mirror.

Seems like you're letting your insecurities rule your actions and/or thought patterns. Be confident and secure in yourself.

Then, if you're still not happy and continually having doubts, he's not the right man for you.





*The Great Illumination* I never thought of it like that, yikes! God bless you woman!
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Posted by iamwhatiam
Why is it that men will lead you on by being overly intimate, say they dont want a relationship and date other women, but then be super pissy when you treat them as friends only? Also, why is it that men like this seem to be falling in love one moment and then iced cold the next? What is going on? What should I do about it?



Because you allow them to?
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Yes, tis true. But how do I be the person I am and let things flow and at the same time not allow him to do the hot and cold dance. What if he's just as confused as I am? What sort of boundaries do I need here?
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Posted by iamwhatiam
Why is it that men will lead you on by being overly intimate, say they dont want a relationship and date other women, but then be super pissy when you treat them as friends only? Also, why is it that men like this seem to be falling in love one moment and then iced cold the next? What is going on? What should I do about it?





Here's ^^^ the OP


Everything you said after that, seems a contradiction ... because you describe the exact opposite in response to comments.


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OK so I took the tip to stimulate an aqua's brain to attain a deeper connection, but every time I attempt to bring a rather stimulating question or topic to the conversation, my aqua just looks at me with a timid/confused face. Why? He is not like this when he is conversing with his friends (regarding topics that are more simpler than the ones I bring up or just as challenging). And, I have always been challenging, this is not me doing a complete 180 and changing my behavior on him. Is is not comfortable with me? What's the deal?








You started that ^^^^ thread 3 weeks ago in the Aqua room.

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Posted by iamwhatiam

OK so I took the tip to stimulate an aqua's brain to attain a deeper connection, but every time I attempt to bring a rather stimulating question or topic to the conversation, my aqua just looks at me with a timid/confused face. Why? He is not like this when he is conversing with his friends (regarding topics that are more simpler than the ones I bring up or just as challenging). And, I have always been challenging, this is not me doing a complete 180 and changing my behavior on him. Is is not comfortable with me? What's the deal?






I was referring to his behavior as far as how he is with a group of people vs how he is with me individually when it comes to his style of humor and some of the topics we discuss. Yes, we talk about deep things that is going on in his personal life. But when it comes to off the wall topics, he does not entertain me the way he entertains groups. Clear enough?



You started that ^^^^ thread 3 weeks ago in the Aqua room.

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P-Angel. Something weird happened with my last post and the quote. I said:

I was referring to his behavior as far as how he is with a group of people vs how he is with me individually when it comes to his style of humor and some of the topics we discuss. Yes, we talk about deep things that is going on in his personal life. But when it comes to off the wall topics, he does not entertain me the way he entertains groups. Clear enough?
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Posted by iamwhatiam
Why is it that men will lead you on by being overly intimate, say they dont want a relationship and date other women, but then be super pissy when you treat them as friends only? Also, why is it that men like this seem to be falling in love one moment and then iced cold the next? What is going on? What should I do about it?



He's super-pissy because being friend-zoned doesn't come with convenient sexual benefits.

There is nothing to psychoanalyze at all really.

Somehow, he's presented 'jerk' tendencies, and you're making it an astrological issue.
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Posted by Damnata
1)No clue what a Voygo is.

2)You should practice integrity and not give a fuck. Men are territorial about women and the kind of men you refer to will always keep women in the wings for booty calls.

3) When you say "overly intimate", do you mean fucking or what exactly?



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LMAO!!!! Speaking Yiddish perhaps.. And what in the heck is overly intimate! SMH
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Posted by iamwhatiam
Why is it that men will lead you on by being overly intimate, say they dont want a relationship and date other women, but then be super pissy when you treat them as friends only? Also, why is it that men like this seem to be falling in love one moment and then iced cold the next? What is going on? What should I do about it?



Answer to your first question regarding men leading you on by being intimate, then dating other women:

Men ALWAYS keep their options open when they are NOT in a committed relationship. This is because they do not see a woman they are dating or seeing on occasion as a RELATIONSHIP. The fact that he's been overly intimate simply means he's getting what he wants from you without having to be in a committed relationship.

Answer to your second RE: Men getting pissy when you treat them as friends: Men don't seek out female friends. They seek out female companionship. They also want YOU to be HIS. When you treat a man as a friend, who at times as been intimate with you, his confidence will be threatened. It's all about his EGO. By you putting him in the "friend zone", you've taken his power. Men can't stand women having the upper hand.

Answer to your third RE: Men don't understand feelings. One moment they act as if they are in love with you and you're perfect, and the next, they act aloof and avoid you. This is what most men do when facing feelings. They are commit phobia and want to go at their pace, determine when they are ready to commit and don't want any female to force their hand. One minute you think the guy loves you and the next, you think he's mean. You've heard of the "man going into his cave".....This is what he's doing. It's what they do. The ONLY time a man will move forward with a woman and work on developing a true relationship is when the man has developed a strong EMOTIONAL connection. Physical connection gets him in our door and bed. Emotional connection gets him to see you as a woman who is special and one he wants to spend his life with.

Answer to your final questions as to what to do:

1. Your mistake was allowing him to get intimate with you too soon. You have given him a pass to use you when he needs physical intimacy but without any emotional connection or commitment.

2. Move on. This guy doesn't value you for who you are. He values you for his ego only.
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Posted by iamwhatiam
Why is it that men will lead you on by being overly intimate, say they dont want a relationship and date other women, but then be super pissy when you treat them as friends only? Also, why is it that men like this seem to be falling in love one moment and then iced cold the next? What is going on? What should I do about it?



He's super-pissy because being friend-zoned doesn't come with convenient sexual benefits.

There is nothing to psychoanalyze at all really.

Somehow, he's presented 'jerk' tendencies, and you're making it an astrological issue.
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*clears throat* Unfortunately when I friend zone him, I FWB zone him and we still have sex. That's what confuses me. I like to keep things clear. If we're just FWB, then ok but if we're working on a relationship. then ok but I need to know which way to go. I guess I have to choose for myself because he's clearly confused...or in his cave....? Oh shit I'm falling apart here! (lol)
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Posted by iamwhatiam
.... but then be super pissy when you treat them as friends only?



This ^^^^

Posted by iamwhatiam

*clears throat* Unfortunately when I friend zone him, I FWB zone him and we still have sex. That's what confuses me.
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Contradicts this ^^^^^^

He's not confusing you. You're confusing yourself.

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Owning up to a FWB is 'owning your own sexuality.' No strings attached.

Read the guidebook on Women and sexual liberalism

The definition of what you're doing?....

Agreeing to be part of a harem that you didn't officially authenticate.

Desperately waiting to be number 1.

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The definition of what he's doing?......

Reading the protocol of a classic Pimp.

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Soultalk and TB1977, I think youre on to something. I have to admit, I do the dance as well. I am confused, for several reasons (including myself). I think I have a hint of emotional unavailability too. When I sense he's falling back, I fall back and fall back hard (I think I still have sex with him to feel in control, to feel like I can eff the shit out of him and tell him to leave afterwards---this is a problem that I must fix, I destructive cycle I must end). I do really like him and I want to fight for him. I think I need to clear my mind and act like more of a lady, 100% of the time instead of half the time. Thanks everyone for your responses.
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Iam how old are you? Without being specific are you in your 20's--30's-40's?

You lack boundaries and when you lack firm boundaries unfortunately you meet wishy washy men.

A woman with little to no boundaries and a unavailable man well It's like a marriage made in heaven because you provide him a enough space to be unavailable and noncommittal.

A woman with firmer boundaries, stronger self esteem wouldn't stick around long enough for him head fuck her b/c that is not what she wants.

You're convenient and that's pretty much all there is. The meeting kids, overly intimate, opening up when he needs to is all BAIT to keep them legs open.

He know you by now and he know what you need in order for him to gain and continue receiving what he's getting out of it from you.

Everything he does BENEFITS HIM not you but unfortunately for you you're going to read between the lines, read outside of the lines what you want out of it from him, of course you may never get what you want but that's fine with him as long as he can keep feeding you bits and pieces of crumbs to keep you hanging on the line hoping so he can keep getting sex and convenient companionship with few strings/obligations attached.