Virgo/Capricorn Friendship Gone Sour

My closest girlfriend, who happens to be a Capricorn did me dirty. I am going to keep this short. We went out to a club in the city and she bailed on me to jump into another dude's car. I went home after waiting for her for an hour and half, and she had the nerve to tell me the next day that I ditched her. I told her, " REAL TALK, you ditched me for a piece of dick." Also, my birthday is coming up on the 2nd and I am throwing a bash. I am very hesitant to invite her. Anyways, I don't want to lose the friendship, she and I have been friends for many years and she was there for me when my dad died. Any input, fellow Virgos?

I have a very close female Cap friend at work, and after going through break-ups/makeups with her, let me give you this word of advice...

Don't hold them on pedestals. True, they might come off as very friendly, down-to-earth, etc.--but they're human too, and prone to doing things to you other signs will as well (especially in social environments like parties, outings, w.e.)

The work Cap does things that surprise/irk me all the time, but I realize I'm expecting too much from her (because she seems so similar to me, and when she does things I would never do I'm hurt).

A cooling off period is suggested, and if you're the same type of Virgo I am you'll want to extend that invitation to your bash, or you'll regret it like crazy later. Let her choose to come/not come--be the bigger person.

I would take sometime to re-assess what kind of friendship it is. Obviously, she is oblivious to how you feel. Also, is this the first time she has done something like this?

CLCNY and Madame Athena, you both are right. I am going to invite her, but I am pretty sure she gonna wanna go, since there is going to be free booze.

Posted by NYCEmpress
CLCNY and Madame Athena, you both are right. I am going to invite her, but I am pretty sure she gonna wanna go, since there is going to be free booze.

All you can do is take a break from each other, try to discuss it again with cool heads, extend the invite, and in the meantime think about just how strong your relationship is.

Has something like this ever happened before? Besides being there for you while you were mourning, are there other big events she's been there for?

Just please make sure not to throw away a good friendship on account of peen. It's never worth it.

And as for Caps doing things without even realizing they're going overboard, work Cap just made probably THE most insensitive comment she's ever made towards me, and even SHE realized it was harsh because she immediately apologized (which she NEVER does).

It's a tricky friendship, between Virgos and Caps--when it's good is great, and when it's bad, it's horrible.

You just have to ask yourself if it's worth it with that person.

You said that well enough, 25th. I agree.

24capricorn18, you make a good point about the issues with Virgo and Caps. I don't have any Virgo friends but my sister is a Virgo and last week she said something to me to where I thought I was never going to be able to talk to her again. I'm STILL hurt about it, but what do I do? Nothing. She came over to the house the other day and we are giggling and laughing as usual and I was so excited to show her that I knew how to make a good smoothie, so I showed her and she made one and gave me half before she left. It's the same thing with her though. I can say something really mean, although I try not to, and she doesn't do the silent treatment. She'll talk to me the next day.

Thing is like you said, however, we both hold a MEAN grudge. Like yeah, I'm laughing but that anger is still building and builds each time she says something. I just don't know how to get it out at the moment without getting so emotional and really hurting her. When she made that nasty comment to me I could tell emotions were starting to show, as they were showing when I made a comment back. We are just afraid to really go there for some reason. She holds a grudge too and admits she's very vengeful. She won't get you back at the moment, but she waits and strikes. She claims she's never done that to me, but I don't believe her.

But yeah, not talking about it right away and letting it slide yet build is definitely the issue. It's like the similarity between the two causes the walls to fall whenever we're around each other again, but it doesn't make the issues go away.

@NYCEmpress Invite her and your mind will be at ease.See how she is/acts/behaves and see if you want to continue with the friendship.Wait after that and see how you feel.And if you want to work it out meet some place neutral and talk. If not,you give the break up speech by letter/email so you can explain yourself clearly and she can think on those words.Or just not return her attempts at contact.You have to think is this friendship worth it or is it a drain.Or is it that she is equal to you and just meeting you toe to toe or that's not an issue?

I have a range of friends at I do different things with.Maybe you just have to contain her as a shopping/coffee time girl.I had friends that I knew I couldn't trust around my potential men.Funny, none of them are still my friends.I had one girl I knew from way back ended up sleeping with a potential.Fast forward years later,she's at my house,she sniffs the air and first question she asks is where is my guy.I say ,"he's right where's he's suppose to be".We had a nice visit THAT DAY.Needless to say,we haven't spoken since.Some gals just know when the s*% t is up.Some women you just can't trust around men period.

And a woman who chooses tail over bff ,will always choose tail unless they mature or get that skank thing mindset fixed.If she runs off with any man,she'll be prone to try run off with your man.Then you know they're both weak.If she don't get her self esteem issues in order this will keep happening. One day you might getting stuck somewhere you don't want to be.Let us know what happened.

That's so funny, lnana--I'm in the opposite boat; I always feel like that with any Cap friends, like they do/say things that are just out-of-order sometimes, and they'd FLIP if were ever done/said to them. They can be really insensitive with their words. Worst off, they will became angry if you dare show the slightest hint of offense, and will stomp off/pout and fold their arms until YOU apologize. That's just lovely--you hurt my feelings, and want me to apologize for taking offense. Cute, but yeah--no.

The Cap at work yesterday is still standing by her rude words to me yesterday, and even tried to write to me to explain why I should agree with and applaud how rude she was. I shut that sh1t down right quick, and let her know that she needs to steer clear of me, because I've joked with her on a 1% level of how rude she was yesterday, and she's pouted and cried.

Why people think Virgos should just take abuse and smile about it I'll never know, but yeah...no.

She's sitting back there now waiting for an apology for ME taking offense to her being rude to ME, lmfao.

You'll wait forever sweetie.

Seems men are the solvent in Virgo/Cap fem. relationships. Sad, because the men are never worth it, lol.

@24capricorn18 your Virgo friend was just about trying to keep herself afloat.She too was all about the tail.I bet that guy was no good for the long run material.(A man that you have to drag home,unless he brings more than lots of bed thumping to the table). If this is her pattern,soon she will be sliding up to you again when she needs something.(When she has run this man off).It sounds like you are successful in your business,so she'll be back.To keep her away,remind her that she owes you money.Puff she's gone.Same thing applies here as NYCE,a gal that chases tail will always pick man over a womans' friendship.They use a woman to find the next man.Hide your brother and cousins!

Now all Virgo women are not like these two.They sound like they lack self esteem and are immature no matter how old they are.She picked you because you are reliable,steady and therefore would have money to spare(for her use).A lot of people come to my Cap like he is their person bank.So I've seen it first hand. You might even benefit from a Virgo bookkeeper.You need to surround yourself with other women that are on your same level and not hanger ons.Once people sniff money,they go a little nutty,like they are going to be there with a basket waiting for money to slip out of your hands to theirs.

You need to surround yourself with go getters and think they can add to your life not drain you or drag you down.And I nad going to include the men that are trying to get next to you ,in this too.As a Cap,I know you don't trust many,but you've got to trust someone.As an aside why wouldn't you just listen to what another female from here would have to say about men?We aren't at your town, so you don't have to worry that we will be showing up and trying to play in your RL.
Even though you say you know because you're a woman that you know how women think and that we would be pessimistic,you haven't experienced ever type of relationship there is,another woman here might be able to give you more tools to deal with the men in your life and keep one step ahead of them.Think of it ,in tterms of consultants,doing hair,you keep up with the latest products and technques,yes?You probably know what your competetion is doing,yes?Think of the women here in that light.This comes back to listening to the RL women that are being pessimistic near you.We aren't them.Good Luck.

I've caught myself flipping at my sister for doing something I've done to her lol. My thing is, whatever I say or do, I'm not intentionally trying to hurt you. I can be spoiled and want my way, but that's just me at that moment, and believe me, she has her moments as well. With her, I feel as she tries to hurt me or get me back, where-as I don't seek revenge on her. If I have an issue I will try my best to get it out at that moment, as best as I can, and she'll get me back later which frustrates the heck out of me. That's where my trust issues come into play because right when I let my guards down or try to be nice I'm hit. What she WILL get from me is the truth, if asked, but I don't hit people when down, or try to seek revenge on them. That's not my style . I simply cut people off, but dealing with a sister is completely different.

I thought you said your co-worker apologized? With Caps, you just gotta know that their intentions are not to hurt, however harsh it may be. If you feel she was intentionally trying to hurt you, then forget her, but if you don't feel she had any ill intentions then try to talk to her about why she said what she did and where she was coming from. With us, ALL you ever got to do is ask and we will give you the answer without holding anything back.

@Ianna It seems like you've had problems with your sister for along time.She seems to think that whatever she does,she shouldn't be accountable for what she has said or done.She seems to push the envelope every situation and no one puts her in check.

It looks like your mother wants to keep the peace or ignores her behavior at whatever cost.Maybe she was a sickly child and your mother still sees her that way.If other family members aren't going to stop her in her tracks I guess it is up to you.You're upset that she doesn't respect her elders or tradition .

Just get it off your chest to her.If you speak up with that dam of emotion that you are holding back,when she will realize,crap you mean business.You would be so angry ,enough to back up any thing you said in that moment.Don't blow infront of your mother,she will try to break it up,but your sister needs some boundaries as how to treat people.She needs to see that it is not always her way.

Or if she comes in and trys to change the flow of things,just step up and tell her infront of everyone why things are going in a particular order.She needs to know that she isn't in charge here.It isn't all about her.She may lick her wounds for a while,but she will get over it.A family shouldn't be held in control by one child.(As old as she is,she is still behaving childishly.Everyone might be secretly relieved that you spoke up.It may take more that once to blast her on her butt to get the message across,but she will learn or leave.

You tell her how you feel without feel like your loosing control.Respond to her in the moment.Try it,you'll feel a lot better.She knows what she is doing,she is just waiting for some one to call her on her crap.It will be awkward for you but try it.Don't back down.Everyone will thank you in the long run.Even if you have to do this over the phone.Her agenda isn't everyone's agenda.

Or if you don't like this way to deal with her,figure out how to speak up and not fight ,but just state the facts.She can't change or argue them out of the way.Don't let her bait you into a fight to make you look bad.Family or not ,no one should have to run from her rain of S#^T.

If you want to state an example of her behavior,we can give you advice on how to counter act her and cut her off at the pass.You get so angry that you aren't able to state what she does,so she is able to continue to do what she does.Not all Virgo gals are your sister.Try us,it might help.

@Ianna it seems like your revenge is here and done.Hers takes awhile to bubble up to the surface.That's a Virgo m.o..Then I wouldn't totally let your guard down.Be expecting smething.Sense when she is trying to be too freindly then you know that the slam won't be far behind.

You could cut her off at the pass by announcing okay,come on just out with it.Surpirse her and you'll get an honest answer then.I understand she is family,but sometimes that is worse than any stranger danger.She is counting on that fact that you are family that she won't get any retaliation from anyone. Sometimes words have to be said ,it not fair to have her thinks she should be in charge or it's just got to be her way.Everyone has got to come to an understanding.Family is all you have.The world will knock her on her butt.Maybe she needs that tho'.

lnana--and that's the reason why I still like Caps--I KNOW they don't mean harm. I can see it in their eyes when they say it, and even afterwards when we speak. Virgos have the same tendency, and it's why I sympathize, HOWEVER, I will think about how I phrase things long before I'll say it, and if I feel it can in any way/shape/form be misconstrued, I'll elaborate or add a disclaimer, or just play it over in my mind to find the least offensive way of saying it.

I feel both signs are incredibly similar, and with any close similarity there will be clashing.

I do find, however, that if both parties really--and I mean REALLY explain why they don't want something done or said to them ever again by the other, it's less likely to be done (if ever) again...then again, that depends on how close you really are to each other.

I agree about the trust issues--real talk, sometimes I think she doesn't like seeing me succeed. I'll shake it off, and then she'll do or say something else that hints at her being jealous that the spotlight won't stay on her. I'd really like to talk to her about this, get her view. I'm hoping I'm just misreading signs, because I know she has a good heart and doesn't mean harm.

She did apologize, lnana--but saying, "I didn't meant to hurt your feelings. I'm sorry. But I'm not sure why you don't agree with me, because I'm right." That's not really an apology to me, lol. That's like a fast food joint announcing, "free chicken--just $ 1.99" Which is it, dammit?? LOL

@VulcanLass, thanks for that post! I will try to talk to her, and I will admit that she usually listens whenever I talk and will try to straighten up because she knows that I usually have a point. It's just so hard to go there without getting emotional. Like CLCNY30 said, it's the same thing with the similarity I see in her and I don't put her on a pedestal, but I do think my sister is much better than how the things she does and she puts up with/been through. Growing up and still to this day, every single thing I learn, no matter how big or small, I teach my sister. Everything I know how to do, everything I'm aware of, I run it by her because I love her. A few years ago she got involved in a not-so-good relationship, and that hurt because I felt that I didn't do something right as a sister. Now she has a kid, and isn't the best mother and seems to shy away from being responsible, and that's what we argue about now as my mother and I pick up the slack. Again, I'm hurt by her actions because it's like I didn't do something right. It's like how do you argue with someone about being a mother to their child? That's very emotional for me, and It seems to stem from somewhere deep with my sister, and it's just too emotional to really get to the bottom of. It's like I want to know, but I'm really scared of what's going on inside. I think we probably all need counseling, to be honest. We didn't have the best childhood, and my mother surely didn't, but sometimes I get the impression that my sister wants my mother to pay for hers.

Ya know what, I just realized what part of the problem may be. No, my mother was not the best parent growing up, but she sure has high standards now. I've tried to be the best sister, and my standards have always been high even as a child, so I'm consistent in that area. I think with the both of us together though, we may put a little too much pressure on my sister as a parent and she folds. I think we can help by backing off a bit.

CLCNY30, talk to your friend about it. Ask her what she means by saying certain things and maybe she will open up to you. We can get a little jealous sometimes, but only because we like to be the best and number one at everything. Unfortunately, that doesn't happen. You gotta let her know how she's coming across though.

Posted by lnana04
CLCNY30, talk to your friend about it. Ask her what she means by saying certain things and maybe she will open up to you. We can get a little jealous sometimes, but only because we like to be the best and number one at everything. Unfortunately, that doesn't happen. You gotta let her know how she's coming across though.

I plan on it.

But first, a little cooling off period is needed.

What she said was just after something really upsetting happened to me, and she said it to get my attention back on her again. I really just need some distance from her right now, but I will def. speak about it once things calm down.

@Ianna-Good that your sister learns from you.Maybe she wants to learn stuff for herself.She probably gets mad because you are right and she tries something else,figuring that she can find a new way to be right ,just to prove you and your mother wrong.I am sorry that you and your family had a rough way growing up.

Of course ,your sister is going to mirror what she learned from your mother.Yeah,I bet your sister is still holding a grudge with your mother for the past.I can hold a grudge for yearsssssss.We see tradition from the past,so your sister would have trouble seeing what is what right now.Dealing with todays' hurts and needs.

Having a baby young or unprepared can be overwhelming when all the hooplah dies down about how cute and cuddly they until they start growing.And now the young mother is alone.Day in and Day out.I bet she had plans for herself.She also was probably going to prove to both of you that she was going to mother differently in a way that she thought was "righter" than you may have suggested to her.

Deep in your mothers heart,she may have felt responsible for what choices your sister made.You probably get pushed into the background because it's all about the baby.You still have to make yourself known to your mothers eyes,not in a bad way,just in your own way.

Your sister is grown ,so she needs to stop with the victim card and start being fully invested in her child.If she doesn't want to be a mom,she should come out and say so.And them deciede what she wants to do about it.Instead of taking out latent hosilities out on the baby.She made that choice to be with that guy,not the baby.I bet the baby even looks like the father.She sees him,in the child and gets angry alot.She needs to see the baby for a new life,a joy,her responibility and a fresh seperate soul of the child not as a chip off the father.

You can guide your sister,but you can't make her decisions for her.She choice to be with that guy.You can't blame yourself.You didn't put a gun to her head and say go with him.She choice that.Yes,you should care about your sister and be concerned about her choices,but you can't trail her 24/7 to keep her from making the choices she does.Yes you don't want her hurt.She doesn't get that.Everyoone has to learn to crawl before they start to walk.That goes for her total maurity process.I know you are family first,but care for yourself also.It's big you say you need to talk to someone.Do it.Work on yourself.No one can play you.

capricorns are weak. they want to be aquarians so bad that they end up lookin stupid at the end

Posted by VulcanLass
@NYCEmpress Invite her and your mind will be at ease.See how she is/acts/behaves and see if you want to continue with the friendship.Wait after that and see how you feel.And if you want to work it out meet some place neutral and talk. If not,you give the break up speech by letter/email so you can explain yourself clearly and she can think on those words.Or just not return her attempts at contact.You have to think is this friendship worth it or is it a drain.Or is it that she is equal to you and just meeting you toe to toe or that's not an issue?

I have a range of friends at I do different things with.Maybe you just have to contain her as a shopping/coffee time girl.I had friends that I knew I couldn't trust around my potential men.Funny, none of them are still my friends.I had one girl I knew from way back ended up sleeping with a potential.Fast forward years later,she's at my house,she sniffs the air and first question she asks is where is my guy.I say ,"he's right where's he's suppose to be".We had a nice visit THAT DAY.Needless to say,we haven't spoken since.Some gals just know when the s*% t is up.Some women you just can't trust around men period.

And a woman who chooses tail over bff ,will always choose tail unless they mature or get that skank thing mindset fixed.If she runs off with any man,she'll be prone to try run off with your man.Then you know they're both weak.If she don't get her self esteem issues in order this will keep happening. One day you might getting stuck somewhere you don't want to be.Let us know what happened.

I actually told her that I am not gettin anything out of this except bullshit....its always one incident after another one...then all i have done for her since we been friends ....its just like a house bein hoarded...im cleanin out all the gunk i dont need...this friendship is not meanin anythin to u because you picked all types of people over myself...i have lended money to her and when she gets right never gave me a dime...so i told her that it is no hard feelins we cool but that is why i been keepin my space and i was just gonna holla at ya when ever i see ya...she is pregnant with twins now so i was gonna get her kids somethin ....though why ...she has never done anythin i can think of for me...

so for me that night all 3 of us was there at her house...It was the first time all 3 of us had that talk...i had

that talk...i had done a one on one talk with her b4...i had done a one on one talk with him....so when we were all 3 sittin in her livin room he seen that i stated the same things i had done when we had our one on one so what do you think will happen off of my closin statement to him ... i really just had gotten fustrated with the whole situation...we talked about this for hours and she wasnt even woman enough to contribute what she needed to be bein honest about...im sure when i lefted she gave him a mouth full

@24Capgal18- So are you done for good with these two knuckleheads??I know it hurts,but really,you need to be around quality people.Someone who is going somewhere.It is on both of them as far as I can see.She's grabbing at him and him not denying anythiny,defending you or having to much to say anything about anything at all.

I told one ex friend-with the money that you owe me,use that towards the next loan that you want to ask me for.What goes around comes around.I know it is hard to find good friends,but you need to find another.I know Caps like to hang on to the loyal people in their lives,but this isn't doing you any good,see how upset that you are getting over this,you could be out doing hair=making money with all the time that you have spend on these two.If he hasn't jumped to your side.F'n him also.What kind of man is that? No man.If they can't speak up,admit to or even a weak defense,that right there tells eme that they are guilty of something.I wouldn't spend another minute of trust on either one of them.And if you took him back,she would always have a little piece of his ear.I don't share like that.Why should you?

You already admitted she is a frienemy.Just back away quickly,like tearing a bandage off of a scab.You know what is going to happen.She can't pay you,the babies need this ,oh since you are here can you do my hair and watch them while I go out with your mr ex mr?!I can see it now.

Consider yourself lucky that they aren't going to get anything else out of you.She sounds too needy to be of any help to you.I dare you to ask her for some favoor.And watch her say no.As a Cap,sure,you'd like to get back just what you put into this,so it is your decision whether or not to play along with her.She will always use the children as an excuse.So it will be a long term plan on your part.

Why not do that famous disappearing Cappy thing on her?You need to take care of yourself first.These two losers don't fit here.You don't need this crap.You just one of those bad Virgos.There are users in every sign tho'.

It is like,when there is an airplane accident and the masks pop down;they say you use it first and help yourself before you help anyone else.Help your here.You can help her,tell her that she can put that money that she owes you into savings for the twins.Your not being defeated here,you are stepping away from people who don't deserve you in their lives.They are dismissed.Thank you.Next.

You are so right and i said that to them dumies...I told them that maybe it is them who is not of my calibur and they will never get me and they are the two that are compatiable with eachother ...need to gonna and get together and leave me the fuck out of it...so i really like yo advice because i told him that trust had been stomped on...well her too...and that i will never trust they liein asses for the shit they already lied about...and for no reason...but yea we caps are very loyal and want only the best in our circle and they have been a thorn in my side her for years so i really am done...when i pull the disappearin act she just comes back..this time since i put her on blast as a whole she isnt gonna come back in my face..and further more yea they do seem to damn guilty of somethin more than just bein friends
thank you for your advice cause i really have been upset about this whole thing ....i just keep havin it playin in my head him sayin how did the conversation turn to me and him and what problems we were havin and I have the lies she spoke in my head so i felt thet really wanted to do that to get me out the pic idk but it bothers me like hell and it really does hurt cause he could have let me go b4 i got feelins invested into him....and she really made me wanna punch her in the face i am angry lol

Good,I'm glad that I could help.Listen you don't see us Virgos in here laughing at how we used anyone?So all Virgos aren't like her.They both sound like they both need to be on "blast".So can't you do a double disappearing time that you usually do?So it will throw her begging timing off?You just won't be there.It's hard to cut people out of your life,but you sound like you are going somewhere and they are not.15 years from now they will be sitting on the same porch and you will have moved on.By that time you should have a string of hair salons and still won't need them.Ha!

The real question is,are you strong enough to resist him,when she is too busy and too tired from the twins to bother with him and he comes sliding back to you??Can you move beyond him??There are other Virgo men out there.He should have been leaving with you,not sitting there on his hands going uhm uhm.Do you really need that?I could see if you all were in business with each other being frienemies and business contacts,but in your personal life?Who needs this crap?

Sometimes in life when you make a change ,everything else starts to change around you as well,like some sort of chain reaction.Boom ,these two bookend wanna bes' are just colletaral damage from your old life.You really don't the agravation.No one does. Why you then? Don't look back.

Don't worry karma will get them.There was this woman who was a side piece for my aunts' husband.My aunt saw her years later,my aunt said she looked like she was 90 yrs old and they were all about the same age.She said she almost didn't reconize her.She used herself up.This sounds like where this user is headed.Can't you see yourself drive by in your Maybach,stopping in front of her porch,rolling your window down,waving ,rolling your window up and driving on .Revenge is a life well lived.She will always being chasing your dust.He is really your leftovers.Don't let them see you hurt.Of course it is going to hurt,but aren't you glad now that you found out that he was an assshat ,then later,sharing in your new life?!?Didn't their act go out in junior high school.Life is too short to keep those two in your life.Be cool in front of them and be angry in private.You got rid of two big rocks with one throw.You will heal from this.You need true friends,not pretenders.

a men I like the way you think and it really did make my situation better to me...cause i dont need that shit in my personall life but while it is fresh it is eatin me up and my mom virgo sayds fuck that shit and she also says everything you said about the situation ....well all in one word I feel that i will not except either back so i am ok until i get all the way ove it....he is now a non fuckin factor...i just only can say that i wish non of this would had happened but i am glad it did b4 i ended up any more serious with him than i already am ...and revenge o yes when i am ballin they will be hatin how i was done please believe that ....She is pathetic I have never seen someone like suck...and all virgos arent like that ...its just like one guy on here stereotypin all caps ... i know that we can be difficult ...but no two are the same so i just got one no two rotten virgos out the bunch...hopefully i will have the right guy come soon but as if im lookin .....


I wonder why everyone says caps pull a disappearin trick lol...I just stop goin around people or do not answer for them and when they dont get the pic i just tell them i no longer want to be bothered by them ....Nine times out of ten they usually come back like that rat ass virgo im talkin bout...but for me I do go out of town to clear my head but in these times it is out of the question ...when i do get the money i believe that i will go to detroit work on my albulm and that maybe my disappearin trick lol

i guess im not really all that hard like most caps though because i am so sweet when it comes to lettin people into my heart ... i am no where near as difficult as these people portray all caps to be...although once i have had enough im done...in my case with this guy ...since we were goin so well b4 all of this i had considered it...then i thought about how he did not leave with me and just sat there as if it didnt bother him i said i was leavin his life...————??wtf was goin on there ...i felt they were both in cahoots ..plottin on me...had somethin goin on behind me...so y would i take someone back in i will never be able to trust ....but he did put it on me with somethin that 69 talkin bout in his thread lol....ass

I think in my case the way that they say caps go off and are so rude if we detect the first sign of offense is somethin that should be understood....when people say harsh things to them for no reason ...(Well me in my case) I go on the offensive side...and could i be blamed here in my case with the shit i been subjected to ....Most cases virgo men are so careless in how they tend to say things so if my feelings are hurt i address what is the problem and then state what my response is....insensitve is the last thing one can call a cap ....we are very caring and there are some who dont give a damn about others ...as like in all signs....its not the sign it is the person,,how they grew up,,where they came from and tendencies they picked up in they surroundings....I have told the virgo i was seein all about me and my dreams he says that he loves the fact that im intellectually compatiable with him and that he is on all levels with me but when we conversate things get to an arguement ...but usually because he has said some bullshit to me that has my feelins hurt ...so once i point out what his issues are he pouts...people are just so damn pathetic to the point where if you can not see your own flaws and fix em then how can you tell someone else theirs and then if you are gonna tell people to address what problems you have then how could you accept their help and they dont want it....boiiiiiii......its really that no one sign is perfect so why should any one blame these people for whats wrong with them..if it is love love that person i dont understand it

Thanks!Moms get it right don't they??If everyone went through only the good,then a little bump in the road would kill them.They'd panic and not be able help themselves or anyone else for that matter.Well,since you are going to be famous,rather have that experience now,than later.Look at author Terry Mulliigan(Waiting To Exhale),in the middle of her booksignings and new fabulous life,he decided to step of the closet.Like I said better now and washed away then in the middle of all your fabulousness.

That guy having trouble will straigthen himself out.It's like the guy saying he hates all women,just after a divorce.Same thing.He'll work it out.Lots of hurt people come to the site of the sign that pissed them off or go to the forum where they feel they will get support.

Caps can be busy and can get wrapped up projects.Equals disappearance.But if Caps get someone weak who keeps tracking them and expects to be there every minute then they have picked wrong.They need to pick an unbusy person!I used to work with one Cap and he had a poor memory.He had to start writing everything down.He was upset that he had to show his weakness,but he was losing money when he forgot to open his shop or pick up supplies.

It seems when you are not looking,busy with your life ,loves comes up,taps you on the shoulder and says excuse me,where have you been?That rat is probably waiting for you ,circling back around to see if you are back so he can get you upset again.Weak!

See that,I knew you had a plan!Follow your dream and turn it into reality.The people that are anti Cap probably wanted something from them and the Cap said,get it yourself.If I can do it,you can too.Some people don't have patience enough to get to know earth signs.Their loss.They don't realize that just because they meet a Cap one day,they expect life long friends the next.

Well a woman's intutition is hardly ever wrong,if you feel something is cooking between the two of them,then probably you are right.How many women who have had a private detective follow their man and then find out,they are right??By then it's too late to rebuild the type of trust that brought them together in the first place.

That is good that you can communicate with your virgo.But you still have to have that spark on all levels.He pouts?Seriously?If he dishes it out,he should be able to take it.It shouldn't be all about a target practise with only your flaws ready to be shot at.You've got a child wearing mens' clothing.

That is the age old question 24Capgal18,if everyone could take the words that they put on someone else and grow from that ,well what is the big deal about that?People's idea of love is different.Ask everyone you know,their idea is very different from the souls idea of what love is.Love gone bad always bleeps.

believe that you will find someone better than that child.Who needs the games?I guess it is a matter of finding someone who's idea of love matches your.To me love shouldn't have to be a struggle.I think you two should be struggling/laughing and trying against the world and not with each other.A partnership of two ,and not alow life,money grubbing,life sucking extra "friend".Like the commerical says,it takes two to tango.And that doesn't include pouting!

I think after the shock of all this ,you will sort everything out and get your self on the right track.You'll be fine.G/Nite.I'll check back here again.

Posted by VulcanLass
That is the age old question 24Capgal18,if everyone could take the words that they put on someone else and grow from that ,well what is the big deal about that?People's idea of love is different.Ask everyone you know,their idea is very different from the souls idea of what love is.Love gone bad always bleeps.

believe that you will find someone better than that child.Who needs the games?I guess it is a matter of finding someone who's idea of love matches your.To me love shouldn't have to be a struggle.I think you two should be struggling/laughing and trying against the world and not with each other.A partnership of two ,and not alow life,money grubbing,life sucking extra "friend".Like the commerical says,it takes two to tango.And that doesn't include pouting!

I think after the shock of all this ,you will sort everything out and get your self on the right track.You'll be fine.G/Nite.I'll check back here again.

new situation now...i talked to him last night....he told me that he understood where i was comin from with what happened the other night....says that he didnt wanna lose me to a person that he does even want...he has feelins for me...if he didnt love me for real he would not have told me...I feel he was bein sincere,but....he asked the question about our virgo girl....i stated that is an situation that i will feel i will always have to watch out for... he says that we have grown to have trust for one another...in the beginnin he told her there is nothin....says theres nothin off his end for her honest...says that he has been really cool with her and her brothers and he just be needin to chill with his social crew and those are his oldest friends....I told him...I know we havent been havin any problems...only have em when she comes in the pic...you have made it haard for me to feel i can trust you ..when you lied about goin over there...why is she actin funny...if yall aint done anything she should be more than happy her guy best friend and girl bf are together....it seems to me she doesnt want that for us....i am only thinkin so deep into the situation because they have planted reasonable doubt to question things into my head... he says but y now? I said Because i accomplished what she couldnt.

I told him that I know we have been trustinbefore this but if there is nothin goin on she sure is showin that it seems to besomethin..so if we get back together then i will be very sceptic about this... he then said I will never have to worry about this or any other girl...he says there is no reason to pick her especially after all the men he has seen her fucc....there is nothin about her that he likes and that i am who matters to him... how are things gonna be if he continues to go to her house , but he tellls me everytime and everything .
He says these are people he knew and are close to but he doesnt have to lose his friend and his lady...I told him that its the best of both worlds for him like that...i understand we need social lives but i didnt have a problem with that until she started to make somethin out of it ...he says pay her crazy ass no mind because we both know how crazy she is..and then he says dont you think if somethin happened then it would be all types of other crazy things happenin .... I said well maybe ....but he says i should trust him..he loves me and that if we had our shit together then we would probably be at home all the time ,but were i live has nothin but my brothers there and his house ditto for that ....so we workin on gettin our money togther and he says he gettin his own ...im bought to get my own (well i have my own but my brothers wont move out)so he says right now there is nowhere we can chill comfortable and that he really wanted her/I to have fixed that issue the other night but it made things worst...and then he lost me in all of that and we were goin great b4 that ....so from this do you think that maybe virgo girl is jealous and that she may feel bad that she feels she is losin both of us....i dont believe it i read virgo women when they really like someone they take it very slw or they never even botheer to tell that person at all....I think that ....thats whats her problem...and when he is down her house with her and her bothers that she is hopin he trys her and e doesnt so now she sees she pasted up a very good man...i look at the upsides most times but i know things like this dont end good most times

Sorry for the delay.I am glad that you had a chance to clear the air with him and that you both got a chance to say exactly what was on your minds.That helps alot.At this point if you want to be with him,since you know him, you will have to just trust your feelings and watch his actions.His actions will speak better than any words can.

Yes,she should be happy that you two found each other and have a different attitude about the whole situation.Remember tho',she has been in close quarters with him and she has got a chance to know he really well.I bet she has even talked about you to him.Or gotten him to talk about you to see how you two communicate with each ,the little things you do or say for one another.She's been picking I will guarentee that.

This is exactly how skanky hoe bags like her end up with these great guys.They get the guys to see them as friends first and then more to more.Since they have been with everyone they know what to do to keep them there.She was definitely working him out.

But that always happens,some girl figures that she can get out of the friend zone and move things along.That's how Virgo girls can be.It doesn't always work.She's pissed.And sometimes a woman doesn't see a man as more until someone else sees him as more,then she thinks,hey,let me try him on.And if she is all round sneaky like she seems to be,then she will try him just because he is a male and she is there breathing his air.Yes for whatever reason she is def. jealous.

Someone men can be thick headed and not know that they are even being drawn into a womens' web .My Cap helps everyone,he went to help a daughters friends mother.The girls mother had her boy friend and her father fixing something on her house.He kept going over there.I stopped that sh $ t quick and in a hurry.I said why you?They are grown men they can figure it out.He didn't even realize what he was doing.He stopped and said yah that does look pretty bad.He had no flipping clue.After I pointed that out,he stopped it cold.So you guy may not have known that he was getting ready to be her next new thing.

You should try to get your own place together later on down the line.Family gotta love them!You need to see how he is more.See how he manages to stay away from her.Even if he is hanging around with his "social crew".He needs to remeber that he can't cuddle up with his"social crew" at night.He needs to remember where love and home is.I would see if he puts his money where his mouth is .

If he wants home with you bad enough,he will make it happen and not just be a part time boarder at your house.He needs to be invested in the relationship enough to want to do things for you.He needs to make it happen.

Yes and yes.She has feelings for him,and hasn't told him.Maybe she was hoping to draw her in after the babies are here ,knowing that he would get her things for them.Or maybe she was trying to get him to sleep with her while she was pregnant,so his ride could be raiincoat free,if she is that "crazy" like he says.And she is jealous of you two.If you got your own place his "social crew" could come over your house once in a while.

Only time will tell how things will work out.Some women never stop trying shopping any man nearby.He knows that he is on notice.But thank goodness you had that talk with him.I wish you the best of luck to you with being together with him.

vulcan i wish u and i had each others number cause i would love talkin to u cause u think and are sayin it exactly how i am... Thank you girl ...and you are so damn right.... i told him that she is tryin to draw him in with her web....and aintt no tellin what type of shit she droppin...he says she never said anything bad(yea right.)says that if she were to have done that he would have said she is with that shit...I told him if he actually wants to work with me its got to stop happenin i dont care what the fuck the past was i am the present and i dont give a damn about her bein a long time friend....i told him that it is her tryin to keep the guy she has been scared to try in a relation ship around ...he says that i have to definately trust and understand what we have.... i toldhim that if he wants to chill with her guy family he could come to my house....he says that he doesnt be wantin them guys around a his woman...and that she is a slut who has slepted with his homies and why on earth would he with her....her house is nasty she doesnt keep her looks up.....he says i am the opposite of her and that he loves everythang bout me....so he says that trust that i have a good guy....


I believe him but it is her i dont trust....and it has caused problems for us...how the hell i get that to end without losin him and soundin jealous of things....i am possessive dont get me wrong most women are ...i cant volch for all females though.....but no one would like this at all... then by both of us knowin how she ishe says that i should know from that he doesnt want her....but vulc...i agree with you ...she was tryin to get him to fuc...seen he wouldnt...thought damn if i would have gotten with him i could have trusted him cause he will not fuc me and he's with her....so trustin is hard because maybe not now...but in the future somethin may happen ...

i hate that im pessimistic by nature thinkin on the bad outcome of all things...but only if somethin gives me a reason...
This gives me a reason cause of everybodies different actions goin on here....he actually has been sayin this whole time that i am exactly what he needs and loves everything about me if i would just lisen to him...i have read that about cap/virgo relationships....that makes me believe in him but i am very cautious....by him knowin that i do not like it if i tell him to stop its gonna sound like i am bein bossy wantin things to go my way and that i am tryin to control him it is just tryin to

careful...if it does come up in the future i will have a reason to become upset ...but im tryin to prevent it from happenin...he told me when i said that to trust him fucc her.....i hear these are noble men when in love...that once they fall in love they are not goin anywhere...i guess i will try to see if this appys for my virgoman....do you actually think he would walk away if she makes a move or do you think he will take it...i told him i think that just by bein a man if he is there and it comes up he would ....

Hey 24Capgal18 Awww thanks for the kind words.You can pm me if you'd like.Us earth gals do take a somewhat similar path to get to our points.He still seems to be sticking up for her and her actions and words.That is typical of how you can judge is when a man is in it over his head and has been worked out mentally.She mind f'd him throughly.She played him like a 3 dollar fiddle.He still doesn't get it.He is still in why can't we all get along mode.His two best girls.He really can't see what happened to him.She's a professional.This is where you have your work cut out for you.This is probably some of the hardest work you will have to do in the relationship.

Time is your ally.Keep him busy and moving towards you future together.Keep him interested in the dreams that turn to plans for the two of you.Create something together.Ask him questions that he has to think about concerning your life together.Give him projects.If you step back ,this trait of loyality is a good thing but it isn't be used in a manner helpful to you!You have to keep him focused.You can limit his time with his "social crew" by planning something for you two together.A man without his fellas is a sad sight to behold.I'm not saying do this all the time.Figure when she likes to strike. or has tapped into him and plan you thing then.Is it a Friday night when he zips over there?You are not stopping him from seeing them,you are just shaking up his pattern of when he's there and she is there and settled in to start in on him.You know what,go somewhere new together.It will be exciting.It will give you both something to talk about-remember when we did this and this happened.You need private things to joke about.So you can look back and have a small laugh in front of her.-Oh yeah wasn't that crazy,ha ha ha-.She will show her true ugly self .Becasue she will be so jealous,she won't be able to contain herself.She will be left out of your loop of two.

You are saying all the right things to him.You need to keep him thinking about the futre.You are so right.Don't you just want to shake him sometimes.Wake up,you've eaten from the poisoned apple!

Now see when the shoe is om the other foot.HE doesn't want THEM near YOU.But he thinks he can handle her!Pffftttt.He cares if he don't want you harms,ooppps mens way.

Men are curious.Not all men will get near her though.That's the man you want.They like a shared experience(LOL).Yup if it is hittable ,it will get done.There is always one Pass Around Patty in the neighborhood.She usually ends up moving away or getting a good job and man.And pretends not to know the old "social crew",if you saw her in the streets.She doesn't help anyone in need.

If you see her like a drug and the longer he stays away from her,the lower the use rate.If you keep him focused on the future then and build on what you have you should be okay.If you find out when he is born,then go to astrology cafe and plug in his birthdate ,then you can see what his chart looks like.

Really tho if any man or woman is in true love and want to stay that way.They will make every effort to keeping their love alive.

I know it is the hardest thing to trust someone else.Because they are not you.They have lived another life separate from your own.So you will never know them 200% .That is the center of any relationship.Trust.It's just a matter of building one experience on top of another together.

HONESTLY 24Capgal18,only your man can answer that question for you with the care ,time and committment that he puts into your relationship.Yes I know that push/pull Cap/Vir thing if you aren't sure of each other.Eternally circling each other,who's going to blink first?Who will show their hand/heart first.Yes your relationship needs a fresh space to grow in(away from her).Who's going to put it out their first.Yes nobody wants to get hurt.To get, you have to give.Baby steps.Keep checking in with each other.Are things okay?But when you are satisfied with him passing all your test.Don't test him any more.As this sun sign pairing you two have lots of plans that you to need to make come true.Watch for the signs.His care,respect and ACTION will be your answer.Only HE can truly answer you.

Posted by NYCEmpress

My closest girlfriend, who happens to be a Capricorn did me dirty. I am going to keep this short. We went out to a club in the city and she bailed on me to jump into another dude's car. I went home after waiting for her for an hour and half, and she had the nerve to tell me the next day that I ditched her. I told her, " REAL TALK, you ditched me for a piece of dick."

::: shakes head :::


Moral to the story .... when you bore people, especially out partying, they tend to go find another party.

When people go out with you partying, they usually get horny and want to get laid caused by drinking and having fun. I suggest you never do it again the rest of your life, because one day you might want to get a piece of ass ... and heaven forbide that you might want a "friend" to be accepting of you.


Be who you are and say what you feel, because those you mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.


Apparantly you mind who she is ... because her deciding to get laid isn't doing you dirty. A good friend would be excited that she had fun and got wild, and would be wanting to use that incident as a chuckle moment with her.


Alas, you're a Virgo ... nuff said

Posted by 25thDecan
Invite her. This is a friendship...BUT..stand on your own for your own peace within companionship. Where is vulcanlass, cuz I don't have the appropriate buddhist phrase for this one...lol.

My best friend/brother always lives by this: sometimes you just learn to take people in doses. That is, when they become dosage-necessary. All of someone's personality is not going to exclude clashes and friction with pov.

Never be joined at the hip, except with a "love". It's healthier that your friendship is in "tune" but not necessarily in "tandem" or "co-dependent". Have a party...invite all...drop possibilities of the petty and enjoy a day with no analysis.
*looks around...be like a leo chick on YOUR day for once....*slow smile

agreed!

"Yadda yadda yadda, Virgos are so boring except for the one I keep chained to a pipe in my basement, yadda yadda..."

Talk about boring, not to mention predictable.

Please start singing a new tune, or disappear already. You sound stupid.