Virgos are not effeminate Pt. 2

Wheelhomies and Yama,

No can read your thread after 300.

well, the latest 15 messages can be read by pressing "Reverse sort order" up by "Return to forum". Were you interested in the discussion?

Got it. No, you two are handling things on your own, I am just trying to keep up. Phew!

Hahaha! He was more or less driving me insane because, after I thought I had made my point, he kept bringing up MORE examples...😢. He is a relentless debater and this makes me sad.

Some skulls are thicker than others. You'd need a chisel and a hacksaw.

"Production of Scientific papers is an indicator of clout, not so much of actual scientific relevance. So yes a place can produce tons and tons of scientific papers but if you actually sit to read them, you will find that very few of them actually make an impact in the Scientific community and many are there in those journals because they had either produced papers of actual relevance in the past and was riding the wave of it for their next paper or they had someone who had a high opinion of them in the selection committee.


The Scientific community ultimately works on the concept of peer review. Logic plays a role in the background ultimately."

Do I really need to repost the nobel stats again, or would the be an exercise in redundancy?



"I can already see where this discussion is going, and while you wanna find someone to criticize about making generalizations, you wanna promote your own agenda and personal biases."

No, you haven't got the slightest clue of what's going on.

And like I said before, but you're too slow to get it with that supposedly high IQ of yours, is that this is an ASTROLOGY BOARD, and if you don't wanna be censored, don't try to censor me. And my opinions are just as relevant as anyone else's here."

I never siad I had high iq, and I wasn't censoring, I was criticizing.

"And I'm sorry you feel I'm too angry for you, but I'm sensing your arrogance and belief that you're better than everyone here. You went off on a whole other tangent and about IQ and how Jews are so much smarter, and you wanna tell me about being biased and making generalizations...yeah, okay."

It's not biase if it is based on actual evidence.

"And incase you haven't heard, IQ isn't the only determining factor of intelligence, and there are many forms of intelligence. "

I wrote it myself earlier this very thread, you dimwit.

"Second of all, I don't think someone's IQ makes them a better person, and that's a much more important thing to me and I think to everyone than someone's IQ...is what they do in the world and for others...not what they can brag about."

You can't be this stupid, this has got to be an act.

"If you're not putting to good use your intelligence, then I don't see the point of you bragging about it. If you're not out there finding a cure for Cancer or something, then I don't see why you should be bragging."

Ditto.


This argument is going nowhere.

*said

I wrote Ashkenazi jews, she was the one who distorted it.

There is biological evidence that ashkenzi jews are more prone to certain diseases, such as breast cancer.

"I read it. What I said still holds true. And was in fact the response to those stats."

Nobel prizes generally go to scientists who make an impact on the scientific world, it's a bit strange to argue otherwise.

"I think the only dimwit here is you pal. You still don't have a point. True intelligence comes across when you don't have to make a point in so many words, which you still have yet to really make."

I made my point, and you didn't understand it.

"Exactly, so why you started it, I'll never know."

How was I to know you'd be so stupid?

I should've anticipated it, I guess, with your mercury and everything...

Alright.

* Jewish Recipients of the US National Medal of Science (158 recipients, 37% of total)
* Jewish Recipients of the Kyoto Prize (25% of recipients)

(http://www.jinfo.org/Nobel_Prizes.html)


...Anything else?

No i'm not, your are saying that prizes aren't everything, but they are something, and it's only a part of what I linked.

*you're

Anyway, I thought Antonio Meucci invneted the phone before Graham Bell?

"Yama, why do you make the biggest amature mistake in the book. Link whoring gets on my nerves, meaning you don't have an original opinion and have to use the "clout" of some article somewhere. Did you know I can just as soon whore a counter link too?"

No, I honestly thought he explained it better than me.

"Secondly, IQ test come in too many varities."

How do you suggest he'll determine intelligence, than?

"IQ test are hardly empirical either. You an learn to master and IQ test, just like I can "learn" to pass a physics exam."

You can, but everyone can do it, not just jews. So everyone is still on equal footing.

"Jews have never been an underclass group in Europe, as they were ALWAYS merchants and lived pretty high profile life style s within Europe."

Really? Cause in russia they were never a merchant class.

"Most people with higher IQs are generally in the upper class. This is a catch 22 though, because children are raised to rely more on logic than others."

How do you reckon they became upper class in the first place?

"A good sample is great for a statistical study. But you obviously will get better results if a 35 year old male took the test as opposed to a 11 year old male. None of the test ever show this, because the "sample data" is hidden for us, which is why I take these statistics with a grain of salt."

All statistics should be taken with a grain of salt, they should be taken, nontheless.

"Finally, you STILL haven't prove that these Jews are a distinctive race."

What makes a race than?

"And this man obviously didn't even have a scientific element in his experiment. I have not read ONE thing about genetics, I only heard him name drop genetics, and even with that he didn't mention specfic genes"

Why the hell would "The Economist" want to include all the details in the article? Do you think most people would understand them?

"and not even tackle that issue, I'm pretty sure that article was simply more fabricated nonsense."

In "The Economist"?

"There are tons of professors like him, nothing special. On Stormfront, there was a white professor doing the same thing. Who is right in this case?"

Strawman.

"Jews run most of the international banking and monetary institutes."

How did the jews got to run all of those institutes? I guess the ever-so-loving european just handed it to them?

Success and intelligence are somewhat related.
^I can't believe I even have to make this point.

http://homepage.mac.com/harpend/.Public/AshkenaziIQ.jbiosocsci.pdf#search=% 22Gregory% 20Cochran% 22
^A more detailed version, I haven't read it, but it seems to offer a lot more information.

"No. That wasn't my point AT all. That is what you choose to understand."

Than what is your point?

Wow... I have to work... but Yama, you've lost to Branh.

"Wow... I have to work... but Yama, you've lost to Branh."

Really? I have different evidences, he has an opinion, an articulated opinion it may be, but just an opinion, nontheless.

"To determine the impact on mankind you need to go by inventions and by discoveries , by each and every one, find out who it was and make a statistics that is relevant."

Well, that'll take us some time.😛

As I said before, our tools aren't perfect, but we have to use them.

Argh... I prefer to lurk most of the time and don't say much, but I gotta answer this one (I might just post and run though as I don't really want to get drawn into this debate)...

Yama: How did the jews got to run all of those institutes? I guess the ever-so-loving european just handed it to them?

Success and intelligence are somewhat related.
^I can't believe I even have to make this point.

From http://www.heretical.com/miscellx/usury.html:
Firstly Jews, who had taken to wandering around Europe in the Middle Ages, began to specialize in money-lending and other practices which were forbidden to Christians.

From http://www.beth-elsa.org/bb031105.htm:
The idea of interest-free loans, given by Jews to Jews, comes from a passage in Deuteronomy: ?You shall not lend on interest to your countryman . . . You may charge interest to a foreigner, but not to your countryman, that the Lord, your God, may bless you . . .? In this context, the distinction between ?countryman? and ?foreigner? is correctly interpreted as meaning that interest may not be charged to fellow Jews, but only to gentiles.

Yama - WTF does this history have to do with intelligence—?

I trust Branh's opinion over your evidence.

It is my opinion that many studies are already biased, hence even if I take your evidence with a grain of salt as you suggest, I still won't allow it to change my perceptions any. Does that make me stupid? or suggest I have a low IQ? (ha... arguments based on IQ's what a waste)

And what exactly is your definition of success? And why do you say that there is a corelation between intelligent people and success?

If money = success, you are sadly mistaken.

I know a guy who is as dumb as a box of rocks, he works on an assembly line, he's not rich, but he thoroughly enjoys life. To me, that's success, enjoying life doesn't cost (that much) money, and doesn't really take a brain.

Branh - not to ignore your bit of history too - but the integration of the Jews with the banking/lending institutions goes back even further...

"Yes, but no one can prove what intelligence is, and certainly not an IQ test. Perhaps you should take some time to read the real science done in Artifical Intelligence research, and not some agenda passing simpleton."

Is he jewish? What agenda does he have?

"Upon the end of World War II, many influential Jews came together and formed the Zionist."

Wrong, the zionist movement has existed a long time before the second world war.

"Since Europe withdrew their influence in these countries, the IMF along with the Worldbanc, would loan these countries money for things like infranstructure and schooling. Of course this never happened, because oftentimes this maintained the placement of militia regimes, seen in south America and Africa."

...And they did that...why?

"Zionism now days is simply ethnocentricism, and the desire to prove that Jews are the most superior ethinic group on the planet."

Zionism isn't about proving anything, it's exclusive concern is Israel.


btw-Do you have any sources for that?

And what exactly is your definition of success? And why do you say that there is a corelation between intelligent people and success?

If money = success, you are sadly mistaken.


ditto to Virgopmoon...

"Firstly Jews, who had taken to wandering around Europe in the Middle Ages, began to specialize in money-lending and other practices which were forbidden to Christians."

I know, that doesn't explain why they are still successful.

"I trust Branh's opinion over your evidence."

That's your call.

"It is my opinion that many studies are already biased, hence even if I take your evidence with a grain of salt as you suggest, I still won't allow it to change my perceptions any. Does that make me stupid? or suggest I have a low IQ? (ha... arguments based on IQ's what a waste)"

Obviously not.

"And what exactly is your definition of success? And why do you say that there is a corelation between intelligent people and success?

If money = success, you are sadly mistaken."

No, survivul=success, it's the only thing close to objective we have to judge things by, having money ensures survival more than not having money.

"And why do you say that there is a corelation between intelligent people and success?"

Because intelligence is our most powerful tool in today's world, and monetary success is something a lot of people go for.

Err...*survival...
I'm tired...😛

Ok here's some more info-"...and have accounted for more than half of world chess champions."
^How do you explain this?


"Cochran et. al. hypothesize that the eugenic pressure was strong enough that mutations creating higher intelligence when inherited from one parent but creating disease when inherited from both parents would still be selected for, which could explain the unusual pattern of genetic diseases found in the Ashkenazi population, such as Tay-Sachs and other sphingolipid diseases. Some of these diseases have been shown to correlate with high intelligence, and others are known to cause neurons to grow an increased number of connections to neighboring neurons.[3]"

The source-wikipedia.(now, for some reason I get the feeling you'll try to dispute it's validity...)

"Tell what intelligence is conclusively, Mr. Yama. Stop dancing around the issue."

Now who's dancing around the issue?😛

Intelligence-the ability to understand.

"It is obvious that the zionist movement got a new breath in post-world War II. Things like anti-diaspora were now incoporated in their their agenda as a movement. It has existed for centuries, but never in the way it existed after World War II."

...That's not what you wrote...

"it is a concept in economics called devaluization."

And why did the jews practiced it exclusivly?

"This is often done by asserting their superiority in all walks of life."

Which is always a great way to garner support, as shown in this very thread...😛

"Double standards like that leads me to make statements about the Zionist agenda."

Either that, or because Cochran has some actual evidence?

"and how does this relate to playing chess."

It doesn't those are just two bits of information I've found at wiki.

"Also chess relies mainly on memory, and the recongnition of familar patterns, which a world chess champion would need to know. "

Memory and recognition of familiar patterns have a lot to do with intelligence.

"You have only shown that you are too swayed by rhetoric. "

I have by now produced these evidences-Israel produced the highest number of scientific per capita, the jews have won many awards in the field of science, a number that is hugely disproportionate to their size, that jews were proven to have a higher than average IQ...and somehow that's not enoguh to prove to you that jews have higher than average intelligence, based on their genetic makeup.
...Rhetoric...riiiiight...

*enough

"Cochran is known for several controversial theories, some of which have become accepted or gained prominence due to an increasing amount of empirical evidence in support."

...Are you sure it is totally laughable?

Anyway Bran, it was nice debaring with you, but I've got to go to sleep, see ya later.🙂

Sorry aprilbaby. But I have been surfing these psotings for 2 days now and joined up ealrier. I do not think you are proving anything but the point that you seem to have a need to have the last word. These folks are playing with you, like a cat would play with a limping mouse. You seem to have the same thing to say with the same insults as Virguy62 and Yama kept saying. You may want to chill a little because from a debate point of view these guys are shredding you. You seem to be very angry and trying to prove their point makes them look right. To me it seems like a huge game that you are losing and these guys are smugly laughing about. I am not sure how old you are, but my guess would be late teens early 20's? I think you are out of your league, but at least stop the insults. It really does not help your case. It just brings worse oens from the others. The only point you make is that you are constantly trying to prove your intelligence, and they know this. Which is why early on they continue to prod you, and you keep falling for it. Try a happier approach?

sorry. But I just joined this afternoon actually. I was just trying to point out a common issue I saw and tried to help you maybe discuss things a little better without all the accusing and name calling.It puts a bad look on these boards is all I am saying. I just hate to see people do these things. And it just seems to keep going on and on. Why not just let it go?

LEOnid, we all see the same thing. The best thing to do is let the angry pup lie.

She is the only one who cannot see how stupid she looks! 🙂

But it does make for some entertainment to stop by and watch the show!

Welcome to the boards and for choosing to fly Virgo! LOL!

Maybe I was wrong, but I thought these boards were for personal growth and insight? I did not mean to do anything except point out what I saw in these postings is all. And it honestly comes across as someone just being mean spirited. I did not see where anyone needed an invite to express their views, I thought the site itself was an invitation. I meant no anger towards you. I only thought the postings were pretty harsh.

"No one has the power to shred me here . . b/c I don't know these people, don't care about them, and they don't affect me in anyway, shape or form personally"

Rock on, Aprilbaby . . The only people who can effect your life, are the ones who are in it.

This dxp land isn't real, just something to do to ward off boredom.

Ho Hum....someone wake me when the conversations hits above the gutter line please.....zzzzzzzzzzz.......

Thank you Branh. It just looked harsh. I know my BF can get pretty nasty with his tongue and the only way to stop him is just grab him and hug him and tell him to shut up! Arguing with him is senseless since the man is a master of the language and he can twist things so quickly it's hard to figure out where in the argument I am. He does this with everyone and can make a smart eprson look stupid very quickly.I was just trying to let april know that it is a game that Virgos seem to really enjoy and are very good at. And I see many of the rest of you can as well. Even the younger guys here are very smart. This is why I come to find knowledge and not debate.

🙂 Well, I laugh when my dogs find a ball to play with. The ball itself has no intelligence, but the way it rolls around and amuses the dog IS the entertainment!

The simple things provide fun for those who can think! A brainless box for a kid, non-thinking gift wrap for the baby, a ball of yarn with no purpose but to unravel at the slightest jolt! And idiots for the message boards!

Like Buffoons for the Thinking Man, so are the days of our lives! LOL!

The best part is, that one has no clue when to quit! And soooo easy! Breaks up the monotony during the day!

lol! Notso is stirring the pot! lol!

Tossing me another ball of yarn here Notso? 🙂

Awww whats wrong little doggie? Eat the entire bowl of stupid for breakfast did you?

Notso, next time you send a ball of yarn make sure it is NOT unraveled and chewed up when you deliver it please?

Kind regards;

Virguy62

AB: "Those who are spectators are just too afraid to get in the game.


Notso: I don't exactly see "genius" written on your forehead Miss Congeniality."


LOL!

AB made the Miss Congeniality remark