Virgos are puppet masters that run the world

Spin off from mind games post. Me and my girls just had a gab fest just now, literally like 20 mins. ago.

And I need some objective views in no way is this an attack. It's kind of cool if it's true because everyone including me had you pegged as innocent and fragile.

So they of course told me of all the wild things or negative things about Libras (me) and all of the many flaws and mind games that we can play.

But we went to my other girlfriend, let's call her "Sue". She's a virgo. A friend blurted out that Sue was really an evil puppet master and that all Virgos seem kind but underneath they are masterful manipulators. Now Sue seems so innocent and fragile. And all of these years we've all taken turns being the protector when people tried to mess with her.

But the way she gave us, this I don't know, grin I am not so sure how far off my other friend was. If she's a puppet master, I'd laugh my ass off. And I'd be happy that there was another layer to her innocent mask. Lawd, after a few drinks they even referenced Beyonce as a puppet master virgo kicking out the rest of the Destiny Child group. This is supposed to be cool and fun post.

Do we have you all wrong? Lol

Lol Just a fun post. And what I should say is that puppet master would be the one really running the show while everyone else thinks that they are the leaders. If true this would floor me for years Lol

Hmm. One of my characteristics is in pleasing others. I'm usually the one doing the "pleasing" for my friends, family, and even strangers. Now you may ask how is someone in service acting like a masterful manipulator. I think we do it for ourselves. We expect reciprocation and who can say no to someone who has done so much for you. We please others to "bargain" our way into the afterlife, which would be legit however the fact that we analyze so much brings our motives into question and we feel the mere questioning of our "selfless" motives scares us into actually doing it for oneself.

Other than that, I still feel we can warp sentences, phrases, gestures, even entire conversations to get a means to the end. I won't ask you for help vacuuming the rug, but I will tell you how the chores just seem to be piling up after my divorce and trying to balance time with my son; Prompting the response, "Is there anything I can do to help you?"

I'm sure there are other ways I can make myself out to be the bad guy but I'm at work and have so many things to do to get the store ready to close 😉 "Do you need any help closing the store?" lol j/k

Ahh OP3CRIMSIN That's pretty deep because she's always there for a friend in need. And she doesn't say it but you feel obligated to make sure she's in turn helped. I was thinking innocent maybe more like favor for favor. Pretty deep. I think you are more clever than the rest of the signs give you credit for, including me now Lol I mean I knew that you were sharp, but I just didn't know this additional layer. This is cool to know. Haha so you want me to close the store now too? I am watching you Virgos from here on out. Lol

Lol See the truth is coming out about you guys. Haha. Will be back to see if I can get any other cryptic signs pointing to the strings Lol 2funny Virgo69

Furthering the stereotype, you know when someone with a big name wins an award or does something momentous and then if they're not selfish they always thank all the other people that made this possible? Well our analytical capabilities enable us to be great followers. I've always heard we work best in a role of employee. I feel that is because we can fulfill duties, projects and tasks to the nth degree with a ner-perfect finished product. This makes the boss look good and in turn we get the recognition. I think we don't suit the role, the role suits us.

Posted by dayssunny
Spin off from mind games post. Me and my girls just had a gab fest just now, literally like 20 mins. ago.

And I need some objective views in no way is this an attack. It's kind of cool if it's true because everyone including me had you pegged as innocent and fragile.

So they of course told me of all the wild things or negative things about Libras (me) and all of the many flaws and mind games that we can play.

But we went to my other girlfriend, let's call her "Sue". She's a virgo. A friend blurted out that Sue was really an evil puppet master and that all Virgos seem kind but underneath they are masterful manipulators. Now Sue seems so innocent and fragile. And all of these years we've all taken turns being the protector when people tried to mess with her.

But the way she gave us, this I don't know, grin I am not so sure how far off my other friend was. If she's a puppet master, I'd laugh my ass off. And I'd be happy that there was another layer to her innocent mask. Lawd, after a few drinks they even referenced Beyonce as a puppet master virgo kicking out the rest of the Destiny Child group. This is supposed to be cool and fun post.

Do we have you all wrong? Lol

we can be a puppet masters but i dont like to use people i do things from my heart and not to gain from them you only seen one side from her or the layer member virgos are a mutable sign meaning changeable you will never the true side of a virgo because we change so much plus we are mercury ruled makes it worse lol.

you have to see the core of the virgo i doubt u get that far unless u are really special to a virgo i mean special lmao.

water signs can really have that effect or people with strong water in their chart i guess thats y they say earth and water are good.

LV's right. Not all of us are like that and even then you have to check a Virgo's evolvement. Initially I feel we all have that manipulative trait where everything is about my gain, but we do change, becuase we analyze. I have pushed most of the way through that horrible tendency and try to act selflessly.

Posted by OP3CRIMSIN
LV's right. Not all of us are like that and even then you have to check a Virgo's evolvement. Initially I feel we all have that manipulative trait where everything is about my gain, but we do change, becuase we analyze. I have pushed most of the way through that horrible tendency and try to act selflessly.

thankyou.

people gotta understand a virgo is like an onion with many layers but the core is always there.


look at me trying to use metaphors and stuff lmao.


i'am learning that you gotta help people who need it and not want it cant help everybody who say they want help.

Posted by OP3CRIMSIN
I think every sign has a role in life. In fact I wanna put up a thread regarding this in depth but I need help LV. I need a positive descriptive word (1 word) for each sign as long as you feel that that positive word describes them more accurately over any negative describing words.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm thats gonna be tough one but its not possible its hard to describe a sign in one word because we have many sign influences in the birth chart.


i have a bad cold so i can't really think right now so forgive me lol.

Posted by PandorasBox
Thing is we dont do things to gain. We do things for people to help.. And in turn when we ask for favors others cant say no because we have been there to help them. Perhaps not emotionally but physically. Let helpin with moral support or w/e Itd be hard to deny helpin someone who is so eager to help you in the first place. We make it hard for people to not like us haha!

thats y we need to help vs wanting to help i dont know if that makes sense.


because need and want are 2 different things.

need is stronger and its very hard to understand those 2 terms for some people.


thats y people have to be clear with virgos because we are logical and we analyze and overthink 2 much.

Posted by domino_O
This thread is full of fail.

What insight can you add to the thread then? Do you think the original poster's message has any validity?

Posted by PandorasBox

Posted by LeGendary ViRGo
thats y we need to help vs wanting to help i dont know if that makes sense.


because need and want are 2 different things.

need is stronger and its very hard to understand those 2 terms for some people.


thats y people have to be clear with virgos because we are logical and we analyze and overthink 2 much.

yep. you make perfect-o sense-o. need is that internal yearnin; we dont feel happy or complete if we dont fulfill our needs.. wanting is just like an external superficial kind of feelin right?

lol, i make a fuss about things when people need somethin from me because I wanna do as they wish to a T and if possible surprise them with even more. lol. so explain it to me one more time or as many times as needed (usually just once, I have good aim 😛) but rest assured you'll get a job well done!!

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u are right pb i'm like that as well i want it to put a smile on there faces and shock them and make them happy.

we virgos have to learn to fulfill our needs as well gotta state what you what vs what you think want.

sorry if im making things confusing lol.

job well dun. 🙂

So you're taking it literally? I don't think that was the intent of the thread.

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Posted by domino_O
This thread is full of fail.

What insight can you add to the thread then? Do you think the original poster's message has any validity?

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Thank you OP3. It's obvious that I meant the thread in a tongue and cheek fashion. Pointing out the flawed view that people have based on stereotypes of a sign, namely Virgo being fragile. Not all virgos are world leaders. But Domino if you aren't a Virgo then don't get your underwear in a bunch. If you think your sign is more capable of leading go start a thread on that. The thread is to uncover a different psychological aspect of the Virgo that I didn't know existed: evil genius, puppet masters, and cunning leaders vs. innocent virgins and mother teresas.

I've read once that we (Virgos) have the capacity for great love or great evil. Love because we understand the mechanics of giving selflessly, and evil because I do believe we could actually get together and plan a world domination, a bank heist, a murder etc. and think out all the details. I wouldn't though. Have you ever watched CSI? If you so much as fart at the crime scene they will find your ass, guaranteed!

Posted by OP3CRIMSIN
I've read once that we (Virgos) have the capacity for great love or great evil. Love because we understand the mechanics of giving selflessly, and evil because I do believe we could actually get together and plan a world domination, a bank heist, a murder etc. and think out all the details. I wouldn't though. Have you ever watched CSI? If you so much as fart at the crime scene they will find your ass, guaranteed!

Haha. CSI is a deterrent for any potential crime. They have too much high tech stuff there. I think it's a possibility that there lies a duality that covers that innocence that is shared to the world. At least you are considering the possibility. I think with all of us (libra forum) we have a tendency to want to show the world what we are as nice human beings and very few of us will admit to a different side. Sometimes I think I should work in CSI as much as I like to try to figure stuff out. Haha @fart in a crime scene. They'd probably have some blue spray to highlight the fart. Also nice meeting you btw. Three or four cool ppl I met on this forum

Posted by OP3CRIMSIN
I've read once that we (Virgos) have the capacity for great love or great evil. Love because we understand the mechanics of giving selflessly, and evil because I do believe we could actually get together and plan a world domination, a bank heist, a murder etc. and think out all the details. I wouldn't though. Have you ever watched CSI? If you so much as fart at the crime scene they will find your ass, guaranteed!

it true read this.


Virgos are usually fastidious about their personal appearance, have a great respect for rank and position, and are great supporters of the law and the law's decisions. They usually develop this skill to improve themselves and their surroundings as they place great pride in tangible achievements. These people may spend part of their lives heading off on detours and then suddenly emerge as someone with a remarkable sense of direction. They can adjust easily to change once they find a way of fitting the new situation into their routine.

They are inclined to become wrapped up in themselves and their own ideas, and often become selfish in the close pursuit of their aims.

These people are more capable of going to extremes in good and evil than any other type.

If they develop a love for money they will stick at nothing to acquire it, and this type is often considered cunning and crafty at the expense of others.

In love they are the most difficult to understand, the very best and the very worst of men and women being born in this part of the year. To people born under this sign love is not dramatic, emotional, or sentimental. Love for them is devotion and will include love of family, friends, and those less fortunate than he or she. There is no pretense involved in how they act or what they say. Marriage is a major commitment; they value their union as both a love relationship and a working partnership. A warm relationship brings out the best in anyone born under this sign because basically they are kind, devoted and very loyal.

lol LV that's exactly where I read that. Good citing. And nice to meet you too. Why not post a pic or a sign instead of remaining in the shadows 😉

Posted by OP3CRIMSIN
lol LV that's exactly where I read that. Good citing. And nice to meet you too. Why not post a pic or a sign instead of remaining in the shadows 😉

lol really i had a feeling thats where you got the source from lol.

also OP read this from this site u would love it.


http://www.soulindia.com/12signes/Virgo/virgo.html

Wow! I'm talking about something similar to this on another board. The conversation isn't about astrology, but the person I'm talking about happens to be a Virgo. I'm not sure if any of you watch The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, but there's a Virgo on the show who is extremely manipulative. She said some really nasty and low things about a Capricorn this season. She made up lies, talked about her family, and just became obsessed with her it seem. When the Capricorn would attack back, the Virgo would go into acting like she's the victim and the Capricorn is attacking her for no reason.

I see through it. The Virgo is extremely controlling and manipulative. Capricorns are not as sensitive and a bit abrasive so that seem to send Virgos into crazy mode. Thing Virgo don't understand is that's just a Capricorn person personality, so don't take it personal. ALL of the Virgo friends literally kiss her butt, and she wants to control the way the Capricorn responds to her, but the Cap see through her BS and she's not changing her tone or going to coddle her.

My sister is a Virgo and does this victim thing too. My mother and I have gotten so frustrated in dealing with her because she ALWAYS does what she want, yet, we have to pay for the things she want to do. When we yell at her she acts like she's being attacked. It's just SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO frustrating but we are sick of it.

Virgos may think they are getting away with this behavior, but they only hurt themselves in the end.

And don't worry Lena about the Original Posters intentions. I think this person is just exploring that possibility. No harm. Or as you would put it, "No worries" 😉 I think they are on to something though. I believe we do have many layers and whether it's our outer layer or our deepest true-to-self inner core, we have the ability to mass manipulate. Just be glad some of us recognize/suppress that, otherwise you other signs might be walking around brainwashed while we make a play at the role of the next Jesus!

All signs minus one.

I think Virgos have a tendency to hide from their truth. I don't think all Virgos are manipulative, but the manipulative Virgos are almost like Scorpios in the sense that they sting themselves horribly. They will play one person yet another person(usually their significant other) will end up playing them twice as hard. I don't think they look at their bad-luck as their karma, but that's what it seems to be.

On the outside, they will try to portray this happy care-free person, but in the inside it's the complete opposite. The more they go through, the more they try to hide it, not realizing that some folks, like myself, can tell something is going on. Virgos have a tendency to become extremely delusional if not careful.

Look at Micheal Jackson. Another example of doing what you want, yet playing the victim. Look at Beyonce too. She made that song "Survivor" then played the victim when people attacked her for the song.

Wow, now Lnana04 sound borderlining attacking. I don't know anything about Beyonce but at one time MJ stood for compassion the world over. Helping, donating, enthralling; some of his songs spread words of self-bettering and love for all races, also reminding us that our children are the future. Whether or not he actually did do some of the stuff he was accused of, at one time he was an icon.

I may have inner turmoil stirring always eating at me, but that is mine to share. You have to be worthy of seeing my core, but I can tell you my core is more love than manipulation. You're seriously going to label all of us because of what you saw in an episode of The Fake Housewives of Beverly Hills?!?

Posted by OP3CRIMSIN
Wow, now Lnana04 sound borderlining attacking. I don't know anything about Beyonce but at one time MJ stood for compassion the world over. Helping, donating, enthralling; some of his songs spread words of self-bettering and love for all races, also reminding us that our children are the future. Whether or not he actually did do some of the stuff he was accused of, at one time he was an icon.

I may have inner turmoil stirring always eating at me, but that is mine to share. You have to be worthy of seeing my core, but I can tell you my core is more love than manipulation. You're seriously going to label all of us because of what you saw in an episode of The Fake Housewives of Beverly Hills?!?

was an icon and still is.

i agree with you its not right to lable us like that they are acting in that show for money so that little act that they put on tv thats fake shit doesnt make virgos no victims cuz she a virgo.


op3 i see your using my analogy epic win for you lmao.

Posted by OP3CRIMSIN
Wow, now Lnana04 sound borderlining attacking. I don't know anything about Beyonce but at one time MJ stood for compassion the world over. Helping, donating, enthralling; some of his songs spread words of self-bettering and love for all races, also reminding us that our children are the future. Whether or not he actually did do some of the stuff he was accused of, at one time he was an icon.

I may have inner turmoil stirring always eating at me, but that is mine to share. You have to be worthy of seeing my core, but I can tell you my core is more love than manipulation. You're seriously going to label all of us because of what you saw in an episode of The Fake Housewives of Beverly Hills?!?

I said in my post not all Virgos are manipulative, which mean that I'm not labeling all of you. Just the few I know or know of. For example,

My sister, the Virgo that came on the Cap board, the two Virgos on Real Housewives, Beyonce, Micheal Jackson etc.

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Posted by domino_O
This thread is full of fail.

What insight can you add to the thread then? Do you think the original poster's message has any validity?

Thank you OP3. It's obvious that I meant the thread in a tongue and cheek fashion. Pointing out the flawed view that people have based on stereotypes of a sign, namely Virgo being fragile. Not all virgos are world leaders. But Domino if you aren't a Virgo then don't get your underwear in a bunch. If you think your sign is more capable of leading go start a thread on that. The thread is to uncover a different psychological aspect of the Virgo that I didn't know existed: evil genius, puppet masters, and cunning leaders vs. innocent virgins and mother teresas.

Trying to get Virgo to "compete" with the other signs by saying they're evil and manipulative...are you serious? Is that supposed to earn everyone's respect? Are we supposed to think they're cool now? wow please do not uglyfy this sign for me. I've always respects most Virgos for having enough courage to be honest and not put up with BS from people. They're no nonsense and straighforward/direct...that I respect. No one thinks they're fragile pushovers, and if you want an edge...well they do have that acid tongue😛

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I don't think that Virgos need you to be their hero either. I found it fascinating that there was another layer to their personality. My best girlfriend is a Virgo. Don't tell me that OP3 is the only one that got the thread. And really Lena, let it go. Lol

yes we are..... there is always a virgo behind everything good and bad yessssssss manipulation can be use for good or evil something to think about.

HEY MA! I'm a minority! 🙂

lol. puppet master? hell no.

virgos are more like the quiet, hard-working clerk in the back office that doesn't get much appreciation, but whose company would fall apart if they ever left.

or like sanitation workers. it's not a glamorous job, but omg we'd all be at their mercy if they decided to strike.

though, of course, some are more outspoken, and there's quite a few burnout whackjob virgos too, but most are good little worker bees.

Posted by CarbonMonoxide
virgo ladies pretend be virgin but no are. no fool carbon

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!!!!

Posted by lnana04
All signs minus one.

I think Virgos have a tendency to hide from their truth. I don't think all Virgos are manipulative, but the manipulative Virgos are almost like Scorpios in the sense that they sting themselves horribly. They will play one person yet another person(usually their significant other) will end up playing them twice as hard. I don't think they look at their bad-luck as their karma, but that's what it seems to be.

On the outside, they will try to portray this happy care-free person, but in the inside it's the complete opposite. The more they go through, the more they try to hide it, not realizing that some folks, like myself, can tell something is going on. Virgos have a tendency to become extremely delusional if not careful.

Look at Micheal Jackson. Another example of doing what you want, yet playing the victim. Look at Beyonce too. She made that song "Survivor" then played the victim when people attacked her for the song.

Interesting thoughts Inana04,

to add: I remember after Michael died I read a piece that Elizabeth Taylor wrote about him and two of the words that she used to describe him stood out to me most - "clever" and "shrewd". She then followed up by saying "I don't mean to imply that he was a bad person it's just that I have never met anyone who could get what he/she wanted/get others to respond to them in the way that Michael did (in reference to her calling him "shrewd" as the word often holds negative connotations for many).

Perhaps it was his extreme and unmatched drive to maximize his career to the fullest extent that led him to utilize any/all manipulation tactics he could but I guess the question is, in this regard, is that always a bad thing? If he's not hurting anyone in the process and it's all really for the sake of his career.

"I don't mean to imply that he was a bad person it's just that I have never met anyone who could get what he/she wanted/get others to respond to them in the way that Michael did.

That's exactly part of the manipulation imo. "Some" virgos want people to respond to them a certain way. I don't find many Virgos to be accepting of naturally aggressive or abrasive personalities. A Virgo will break you down through manipulation by playing victim and labeling everything you say/do as harsh until that person is responding to that Virgo the way he/she is comfortable with. My sister does it all the time. She does whatever it is she pleases, and she make a lot of bad choices that we are left to pay and she NEVER apologizes for anything. When we start to yell she goes into victim mode and pretends as if her feelings are crushed, and before you know it, we are left feeling bad.

As far as Micheal, I love him, but I do think he manipulated people into feeling sorry for him so he could live life the way he wanted and always have an excuse to fall back on why he behaved the way he did, which was his childhood. I do think his childhood contributed to a lot of his behavior, but Micheal was no dummy. For example, He knew that inviting boys into his bedroom would get some type of attention, but it was what he wanted to do at the time. He did whatever he wanted to do, and he used that calm tone of voice and that perceived innocence to his advantage.

Posted by lnana04
"I don't mean to imply that he was a bad person it's just that I have never met anyone who could get what he/she wanted/get others to respond to them in the way that Michael did.

That's exactly part of the manipulation imo.

Agreed but he did it with the intent to further his career. Not necessarily to hurt anyone.

"Some" virgos want people to respond to them a certain way. I don't find many Virgos to be accepting of naturally aggressive or abrasive personalities.

No, we're not...well at least I'm not.

A Virgo will break you down through manipulation by playing victim and labeling everything you say/do as harsh until that person is responding to that Virgo the way he/she is comfortable with.

I don't disagree with you here but that's not all of us. Some of us could care less and just walk away.

My sister does it all the time. She does whatever it is she pleases, and she make a lot of bad choices that we are left to pay and she NEVER apologizes for anything. When we start to yell she goes into victim mode and pretends as if her feelings are crushed, and before you know it, we are left feeling bad.

What do you mean by "left to pay". How old is she? Tell her to clean up her act and make her responsible for the consequences of her own decisions.

As far as Micheal, I love him, but I do think he manipulated people into feeling sorry for him so he could live life the way he wanted and always have an excuse to fall back on why he behaved the way he did, which was his childhood. I do think his childhood contributed to a lot of his behavior, but Micheal was no dummy. For example, He knew that inviting boys into his bedroom would get some type of attention, but it was what he wanted to do at the time. He did whatever he wanted to do, and he used that calm tone of voice and that perceived innocence to his advantage.

I love him too and often felt like he could of benefitted from some mental health therapy. He was a special case, Micheal. He was a little boy in a grown man's body and I think that the lack of childhood really affected his good senses. It's possible that he saw absolutely nothing wrong with bringing those little boys into his room because afterall, he was like a little boy himself. In his mind he was simply one of them. I'm not trying to justify btw. Just sayin.

Fun fact on Beyonce:

In one of her dvd box set "special features" section she talks of her studio recording process for the album "B-Day" and mentions that she had three producers working on the album in the studio all at the same time (I believe it was Rodney Jerkins, Pharrell and Swizz Beatz) and how she would go back and forth to each one saying things like "yo Rodney is killing this new beat, you better not let him outshine you!", "wow Swizz is the man, he got this hot new track!", "Damn Pharrell is off the charts! His ish is sounding real good up in there!", etc. I chuckled when she said this because I would never suspect her to be so cunning and manipulative (and there was really no harm involved). She played all three producers up against eachother in order to get a great album for herself and she knew that it would work because men are naturally competitive and she used her celebrity status to her advantage and made them want to go above and beyond.