Windows to the Soul

Has anyone ever REALLY looked at someone? Ever feel a 'spark' or a 'surge' of feeling when you do? Ever look at them so good and hard that they can't break away from you, and you don't want to let them go....?....Damn....How can I communicate what I'm feeling without scaring people off? I just feel so intensely I sorta look cross, or I look freakishly calm...as a friend put it to me....everyone tells me to 'lighten up' but I don't 'feel' light....I'm usually deep in thought about things, and intensely focused on things and how I feel....what can I do? I don't wanna scare people off, and it doesn't help that all I care about is the deep issues....life, death, sex, evolution, expansion, intimacy....all these things are running through my head, and I've got nobody to share it with....I need to get laid again....all this bull goin' through my head....dammitt....

Has anyone ever REALLY looked at someone? Ever feel a 'spark' or a 'surge' of feeling when you do? Ever look at them so good and hard that they can't break away from you, and you don't want to let them go....?....Damn....How can I communicate what I'm feeling without scaring people off?

You haven't scared me, know what you mean 🙂 However, the last that caught me off guard in such a way didn't live in my city -- he was in the same state, but not the city.

Did he scare me to death, YES! But I never had to see him again 🙂

I don't know ... I'm afraid for someone to look at me and just "know", I hope that makes sense. Its just, if they can look into me that way, what would they do, would they use me because they know what I'm really about or what? I don't know ...

and it doesn't help that all I care about is the deep issues....life, death, sex, evolution, expansion, intimacy....all these things are running through my head, and I've got nobody to share it with....I need to get laid again....all this bull goin' through my head....dammitt....

You sound like me, I created a thread some monthes ago because I was going INSANE!!! But I had no one to unload on 🙂

So I understand 😄

hahahahahahaha

lol I have Capricorn Rising, but I'm not sure....I'll have to look further into the 'house' positions as I'm not sure about those.....

Psycho huh? Elena lol.....maybe there is a nut, or two loose up here, but but whats the point of going only 'halfway'? maybe I'll kick it up to Hannibal Lectre 😛....maybe I'm too emotional...maybe I'm fighting way too much stuff.....I guess maybe I'm so sensitive, and preceptive it's unreal,and that might be what scares ME....But I for as far as I know, am SCORPIO FREE thank ya very much, but before you go thinkin' me as straight jacket material elena, haven't you ever wanted something so much, but couldn't quite make people 'get it'? the feeling is so strong it interrupts your composure, and the next thing you know, it's all over your face...? lol I try to keep calm for that reason, and I'm either icy cool or burning hot....exploding with lava or frozen with icy indifference.....lol I try to talk to people but my voice is like the icing on the cake.....it sounds like it's icy calm, or it can boom....I don't mean it really I just want to get to the bottom of it...

I try to be invisible, but for some reason, people just zero in right on me....honestly it's fuckin' irritating I've been in a situation where I was crossing the street, and I had 7 people just 'gawking' at me....I think it's because I usually walk to the beat of my own drum so to speak....the collective world usually keeps a tempo and every once in a while, you'll see a person with a beat all their own.....makes me feel like an outsider alot, but well, it's just who I am I guess....It's ESPECIALLY hard to show someone I'm interested in them becuase I look so cold

CS, I know EXACTLY what you're talking about though....for them to just know who you are, and make you feel like you're exposed....well, I don't know PERSONALLY, but I can imagine 😛 lol....I'd like to see what that's like....but these things are always on my mind

*VE looks at Shaka and Elena with a preturbed expression*

Well whatever makes you guys merge and purge...😛 I know the position of my planets though , and my Saturn is in Sagittarius.....

Venus in Cancer=Hotness....If Capricorn is exalted in mars, and Cancer is it's opposite in all respects, than Venus is in it's own domicile, and I'm Hot!!....yes....lol How THAT for concise Shaka? lol

Although shaka, I must admit, I'm a little surprised at you for falling for that old merc. in Libra of mine.....it makes a sudden, unexpected sting all the more painfully potent....


GB,sex for me is a matter of 'affinity' I look at someone, and I have to 'feel' that they are my equal....if not, I'll coldly brush them off: I'll even show a sign of irritation, for them wasting my time....that's part of what the 'stare' is for....if they break it...then they are forgotten as quickly as they came.....I'm all about breaking people down, and seeing what they're made of....most people break, some don't....

Elena it's in the 5th house or so it seems....my north node is in the 8th house and my fourth house is in Scorpio....don't know what it means but these are the only scorpio houses I've got...

Virgoexalted -- whatever you plan to pursue.... NEVER back off!!!


FS, not to worry.....quitting isn't in my makeup honey....this Virguy has backbone to spare....it's precisely becuase of this I'm where I'm at today....well, that and a little backstabbing....but MOSTLY for not quitting....hell I make ALMOST an honest living! 😉 I don't quit on my passions....

To tell the truth, from generally comparing notes with other Virgs, I can say I'm really nothing like them....I'm more subtle, and at ease with myself, metaphysical and confident....Maybe THIS is the way Virgos are meant to be once we have our own planet....but I believe in giving MY ALL to everything.....applying all my knowledge, all my passion into my desired aim....that's because I expect to grow from it...

I heard that it's because of you 'dwad' that you are different in terms of astrology....I'm looking for more info now...

whatev, honestly I know that I feel things in extremes and will fall FAR beneath my dignity at times, but can purify myself....Looking for technical data for a question I already know the answer to kinda seems pointless don't you guys think? All I can say is, I'm not quite like the others.....I know everyday life kills me, and entertaining a life that is dull, and routine irks the shit outta me...and I know Virgos THRIVE on a schedule.....kinda makes me feel bad for them....

aw, yeah, my mars is in the 8th house.....that explains the freakishly high sex drive....but it doesn't explain my desire to 'know' people on the hidden levels, and my fascination with the human mind....

VE - Was there someone that you really fancied and she/he 'looked away' and didn't 'keep the contact' long enough so you feel irritated?

You are intense and that's fine! Actually that's perfect! So anyone who would not be intimidated by our gaze will be worth your while, honey!

"Btw, Im thirsty, bring me a beer honey will you?"

Cappy left the building a few hours ago...but I'll be sure to stick a post-it note with your request where she can find it.

AHHH!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Elena, how dare you!!!! 🙂 You make me sound like Mr.Khan's personal servant.

You'll pay for that!!! LOL!!!!

Well both the virguys are here ....

Hi fellas 🙂

lol, branh, shaka gets smarter everyday. you should have noticed that, like, 100 years ago.

LOL @ Evan

Are you feeling better?

I gotta say shaka, I think it's a little amusing that you're so drawn to me.... think me insincere? LOL maybe irreverent, but NEVER insincere: you're cynicism is you're downfall shaka, it's destroyed your ability to believe in something inspiring, still meandering through the mundane life, and haven't even turned around to take notice to the wings on your back....sad ....did I pull out the Mr. Nice in you? lol....I detect jealousy....you don't need to be threatened by me, I meant you no harm....INITIALLY...

lol Shaka please, leave the introspective psychoanalysis to the pros....trust, with anyone else you MIGHT have gotten it right, but with this one you're wrong....don't piss in the wrong direction and call it well intended....YOU DON'T KNOW ME, SO DON'T BOTHER PROBING ME. You don't have the mind to get to the bottom of this one, just take what licks you can get and leave it at that.

Since my age is now a factor, and serves as a base for you superficial, and insipid analysis, let's talk age....you've got me by 5 years....you honestly think you've got something to hold over my head? Feeling insecure, and looking for a good ego stroke? Head on over to the Leo board, or the Scorpio boards.....You're just like everyone else shaka, REMEMBER IT....lol Nothing to say worth entertaining fully...

Do yourself a favor and hop off your hi horse, hang up your Holier-than-thou attitude, and keep you thoughts and feelings stuffed up your cunt....they lack a certain...well, they just LACK....

Btw, B, Here's the definition of intelligence in case the term currently has you perplexed: # possessing sound knowledge;

Now does that even add up to the obviously emotionally driven jealous upheaval that Shaka is capable of? *chuckles* I should say not.....

lol I get it shaka, I was the Brainy Jock, and you were the envious nerd who sought to level the playing field, btw, good luck with that....lol is that NOT the archetypal situation we have displayed before us? lol Face it, I'm the hero of this story, and you are my supporting role...LMAO....you SHOULD be greatful....

Anyway, not really attempting to make this about me, I'm trying to tie the stings together so to speak for the sign: lots of hit and misses, just trying to see if anything in me resonates with the other Virgs, but I'm quickly finding something of equal intrigue:the sub categorization of Virgoan race: the Mercurians and the Uknowns....In the astrological community, so much is theoretical, and even less is known about Virgo..we don't have a planet of our own, so the true nature of Virgo can't truly be known until that point in time. Every sign except for Virgo possesses a home of their own so we can't really know to much about the full expression of the sign as it has no medium to express it through: does that not make sense?

I just see someone who constantly tries to analyze and figure out life,

Most people between the ages of 17 and 25 analyze the meaning of life -- well, at least I do. If you still don't understand certain elements of living by then, I think those people spent too much time on foolish. Those are the same people who get stuck in runts too.

I think its refreshing to have someone that isn't afraid to poor his emotions in front of him and take a close look.

And I am a capricorn saying this

"Including wheels"

pffffff! keep dreamin', sweetcheeks! 😉

Since you ALSO feel threatened B, I'll give you some attention as well: Really I'm such a saint...lmao Almost assured to enter those pearly gates....Yes, I'm currently enrolled in school right now, (first year college student) and am doing quite well....if it makes you feel better math is my worst subject, and I'm busting my ass to get an A in it for the beginning of the fall semester. You're really living up to the petty Virgoan ways of down-playing others interests in pursuit of your own....I get it....you like numbers, facts, and figures, and I was given more creative drives.....I learned B that life isn't about just the concrete matters....I think judging from the content of the board you created about your loss of humanity, your loosing pieces of yourself because you your 'greater self' suffers.....you like everyone else wants more in life, and you know that there's more available if you only went for it, but you don't......

Btw, living life through THOUGHT is a FORM of experience B. I'm gaining experience on every level of awareness where as YOU are only gaining it from one limited source that being the 'every day grind'...EXPAND your awareness B, Living is being AWARE, and interacting through introspective, and observant thought: By you simply narrowing your attention onto others in an attempt to force conformity is really a petty aim not worthy of a man of your intellect....at the very least, I thought I COULD pay homage to that....

But like a SIMPLE earth sign, when threatened, you retreat into a world of PHYSICAL success, because you feel the situation is beyond your control and you feel the need to dominate....maybe THAT'S just what you need.....to be PUSHED out of your comfort zone, and into new waters....

In the end B, this isn't about me....this is about YOU not being comfortable with ME....instead of PASSIVELY attacking me with your job (which by the way really doesn't sound all that appealing anywayz), why not give some actual sound advice about LIFE that I DON'T already KNOW?.....but you can't can you?....Becuase you never think about life in those collective terms....you just keep your nose to the grindstone afraid to look up every once in a while....I would pity you, but I'm NOT sentimental...

But Brahn,

VE has a right to believe in himself. His own opinion about who he is and what is want to display to the world belongs to him. The sky is the limit for him, this is a good time in life to separate yourself from everyboyd else and find out who you are. Most people don't have to courage and he does. I admire that 🙂

Keep the criticism coming Branh, You forget I'm a VIRGO as well....I KNOW where it comes from....it's from your ASS or your HEART....neither place is none of which I care for really....😛 lol

You earth sign guys really KICK....afraid to be exposed....afraid to really find out that your world is but a PIECE of a greater one,....not the world that can be seen, but the world that is when boundaries are stripped away and people come into contact with each other.....B, lol don't you know that you're at a disadvantage? You're worldly knowledge can be gained the most easily...it's the metaphysical stuff that is a little tougher becuase it's something that must be INFERRED not TAUGHT...I don't blame you for being afraid, but I can be cross with you for basically saying:

'I'm trying to teach the little bastard the ONLY thing that matters in life is money, work, and impression'

Face it, you're not getting through, because your way is lacking to ME.....You're not even HAPPY for christ's sake, and you expect me to follow your lead!!?? Yeah, man, you've got it all figured out....You sound just like my father...lmao...idiotic Scorpion...he too, thinks he knows best, but really he's just another fool who thinks he's serving the greater good by dispensing petty tips and tricks for a short cut through life....lol I'm pulling out now, I don't wanna do anymore 'damage'...

B, before I do go, tell me....Do you know YOURSELF? I'm not asking if you're COMFORTABLE with knowing yourself, but do you know yourself at the ABSOLUTE depth/limit of your own soul? I can tell you that you don't for 2 reasons:

1, you're not happy, which means you've not achieved a secure position with YOURSELF in life, which means you STILL don't know YOURSELF:.....because you were so occupied with 'knocking my dick in the dirt' you still don't get it.....using your attainment of that job of yours was a means of gain control of me, and asserting your way of life over mine.....you're behaving like a lesser man in the larger sense of the word...

2, You're not dead dude! You're still growing, and aging if that's true, than you're the one who has most to learn as you turned off the parts of yourself that leads you upward, not to just heaven but to the greater flow of consciousness....your own personal evolution.... and life, not your job is the summation of identity, I believe it's is through living life on ALL LEVELS B, (mental, physical, emotional)that the theme of identity really comes into play.....you're using your job, and success as a means to 'cement' and 'concrete' the glow of identity/soul, and there's a part of you begging you to realize that's not so....just let it go...

I'm not mad at you at all....I admire your ambition and determination, and your intellect....which is why I've just 'sparred' with you....I must challenge you to grow....to see where I lack, and you lack and grow, you've given me some advice FINALLY that is worth merit, it's a shame, I had to use such long-winded tactics to get it out of you....

I look at you and shaka in a sense like older brothers....being the little 'astrological brother' I've gotta step it up, and if not for all of you, I wouldn't feel the urge to truly go so pensively inward....so thanks.

lol

I love VE 😄

elena, there IS love, even if it's not being seen....so we're not sitting around in a sewing circle, but work is getting done....I know where it's coming from with them, I'm just trying to bring their dogmatism to light....guess the subtle version isn't working so well....I get what they're saying but really, the message is SOOOOOO mercury (short-distanced) when I'm trying to go Jupiter(long-distanced).

Trying to wake up B, and Shaka's Soul is hard work.....but I'm stubborn so oh, well, got my work cut out for me....These guys are REEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAALLLLLLY Virgos....to a fault....It's a shame that these men are the very best that we've to offer.....I think they've got more to offer, but for some reason they don't....

Yes, I should work on my reverence, and I will, but I guess my passion gets the better of me, but if I was perfectly cool and composed all the time like I am in REAL LIFE, do you know how many lives would go untouched? How many people who couldn't affect me....? I couldn't really be ALIVE....and that B, is the POINT...being ALIVE is LIVING LIFE.....you don't even feel it anymore do you— Why—

I've learned today to shed the veil of mystery, give of myself even if people find it a little disturbing....they'll grow to love it or hate it....and this is the REAL VE.....in all my big headed, stubborn, SAPPY 😛 lol (as shaka puts it) hot-headed ways....living life is what matters, and being as open to it in all it's forms (LIKE A VIRGIN) is what matters....and in that respect B is right....Virgo IS one of the most powerful signs of the zodiac, if there was a most powerful sign.

"AHHH!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Elena, how dare you!!!! You make me sound like Mr.Khan's personal servant."

Hehe...nah, HE'S the one that does that.

"You'll pay for that!!! LOL!!!!"

:: runs and hides ::

hahahahahahahaha!!!!! you two are tooooo much 😄 And then you run and hide after you cause trouble, for shame lol

*cappy goes looking for Elena*

Okay,

Regardless to what, if its his opinion, that's all that matters. Brahn, you enforce your opinion on others too, why is VE any different?

That's what I meant to say in the hidden post

I see what's going on here ...

this is all about, "my chest is bigger then your chest"

Its an Alpha Virgo thing, okay I see ... but I don't care 🙂 VE has a right to be passionate and thought, there's nothing wrong with that.

Boy, when too many virgo men get together they can't behave LOL

sorry for runnin' my mouth....just felt the urge to purge....I guess we go through an 'evolution' as well....B, is our sign not depicted with wings? well, how about you start to really use them in all spheres of your life...? Virgo is about getting AWAY from what weakens us/our setbacks, and gaining the upper hand in life why do you think we're hard wired with such an pensively analytical mind?....we we're usually born shy, but we toughen through life....I guess we know who's REALLY sappy now huh shaka? the ones who want for something amazing to happen deep, down inside, but won't take that first, cardinal step to activate it because they don't 'believe in miracle' I'm not talking about sappy shit like that, I'm saying be a man, and take the first step and show YOURSELF the power/glow of your own will.....thought is intent, and intent is will....

Knowing this now, I only regret not giving more of myself....that was the NATURAL way for me to be....but instead I held onto myself....reserving my thoughts and judgements, when they we're geared to make waves,....no wonder I have a way of 'upsetting' things....either way

Show more VE 😄

Cappy wants to see 😛

Well when the BOYS get together CS, there's bound to be a pissing contest....look at branh, his feelings are hurt....pathetic....tween you and I b, we KNOW the truth....which is why I'm still as cool as I've ever been.....YOU don't seem to understand you and shaka use age as your crutch....and seeing how I can't roundhouse your head off your shoulders I'll let you take a little breather....ya done yet KID— A 19 year olds got your goat....if there was not a shread of truth in what I say, WHY ARE U STILL HERE—!!! lol
it's little shits like YOU 2 that serve my purpose....if you don't like the fire, back down, it's ONLY going to get hotter....I won't take it from you, and you won't from me, the only difference between us is you're taking the battle personally, I've already made my point.....it's a shame that you're short sightedness analysis can't see you through this lesson.....dude, your life suxxx from the INSIDE, OUT.....I mean, at the end of the day, are you even pleased enough with yourself where you can sit back, kick up your feet and say 'I've got all that I want'

btw, been on my own since I was 17 buddy....going to school, and working part time in the evenings, not that you needed to know...you shelter little fuckin' peice of dick snot....

Can't even control yourself: look at you....still running back to familiar territory, and you call ME dickless.....don't make me laugh out loud......and you think you can teach me better? Save that fuckin' nonsense for someone who's intimidated by your crock of shit....like you said, 'you don't even care about humanity' anymore....why waste such time on me....becuase you can't let go of being right....take your 'right' ass, and move it to the 'left'

I'll let you be right LITTLE MEN.....SOMEBODIES gotta take care of the BIG SHIT in life....I'll leave yall to the light work...

Well when the BOYS get together CS, there's bound to be a pissing contest....

I see 🙂

btw, Evan, are you here to humble me? I'd love to see you try that over cyber space....I can smell singed hairs.....lol That Authoritarian/traditional crap of 'listen I'm your elder' won't work here...my will is stronger....save yourself the frustration because you ALREADY seem exasperated....

Whadya wanna know CS....? 🙂 Sorry about that....I'm PARTIALLY a martian....Rising and mars, and I'm the Son of a Scorpion....lots of war in my life....

the nerve ya know? Polluting my board with garbage....nothing new to say....just taking up space....the ULTIMATE waste....what was that even about?! I bet they're both in a corner rubbing each other down....fuckin' light weights.....

Like I was saying I think that when fully activated Virgo evolves PAST the point of simple materialism....it's a matter of putting that belief INTO practice that counts, and sticking to it.....

we all know that a life without INTERNAL TOLERANCE is a life devoid of TRUE HAPPINESS....no,I'm no deity, but I'll be damned to walk this earth lost in the fog that is job, money, status quo, and ignoring the pain/secrets that lies within....I deal with it, I face it, I beat it into submission, and I move on.....without identity what is your drive? Your motivation..? you don't know who you are, you don't know what you want, and everything you work for is meaningless because you don't know what aspect of self it satisfies....

To think, going to a job that leaves you feeling as if you are simply a number, in a cubicle, going to work day in and day out....I just can't do it...half the reason is because I actually believe more in the potential I have....so much is missing from that equation... when you can do something actually important with your life....not all things that can be amassed is meaningful....another struggle of the lesser Virgo emerges....to find out what in life ACTUALLY matters or at least what should be focused upon....

I'm taking the time that I'm on dxp, to express my opinions/beliefs and take new ones into the world and spread them..... I look at this place as a means to gain knowledge....so many different minds, and people getting together and expressing themselves how could you not take advantage of this....but instead the only thing that's taken away is the repetitive bull that keeps getting tossed around....no wonder we never have time to investigate the sign, and arrive at our own conclusions....

Dude, I just payed my Electric Bill....the shit about drained me....which means what now—? Don't you fuckin' get it?!!! ANYONE CAN GET A JOB YOU RIM JAWIN' ASSHOLE, ANYONE CAN PAY BILLS what are you fucking getting at!!!—....what fucking point have you made??!! Not a damned one because you're still just trying to put VE in his place....just get it through your little mind....

I'm not your subordinate, or your fucking child YOU ARE BENEATH ME and you never fail to express this to the limit....if I were I'd probably have sat your ass down a LONG time ago..I pity your seeds....you'll make a damned good dad....oh, that's right....ms. right hasn't walked into the picture yet...probably ran for her fucking life when she realized you couldn't get a porn star off.....it's in everything you do B, it's that blind ignorance, and stubborn ass, mock-fuckin' pride you carry around when you think that you know best....I'm admitting I don't know everything, but you're STILL trying to shove shit down my throat BACK THE FUCK OFF YOU LIMP DICK, SPINELESS, TENDER TITTED GLORY HOLE....

lol the names can continue, I'll play YOU like I do the rest of the games: what a joke...what the fuck are you even here for B—? You do nothing but troll now....take your sad as tail tuck it between your legs and puss,and keep it fuckin' moving

btw, while this is going on I've already set my college courses for the next semester....psychology's my baby, and hopefully, I'll have a case-study like your ass....it'd be funny to pick their mind, but unfortunately there's the lack of one to actually pick....

Since your mind is incapable of far reaching, expansive thought, I'll just spell it out for you in the simplest, little, fragmented terms....I'll even let you put the puzzle pieces together...! 😛

'I don't NEED to hear shit from somebody who doesn't have shit to offer me' short enough for you—

I mean you've got a mind to think and ponder things with, but instead what do you do....? Work, home, and back again....gawd no wonder you've lost your humanity....you never fucking had it to begin with!! I don't care about being right B, THAT'S PETTY, SMALL if CHANGE happens than that's all that matters!! I'd take in more of what you said but it's just a fuckin' repeat of all the shit that's been said over and over,You know I'm an earth sign as well B, and because of it, I recognize the importance of responsibility, and work....for fuxxx sake man, I'm 19, and I don't have an interest in number crunching jobs.....yet again another lesson you fail to grasp....whatev, your sour grapes not mine..... but what do you recognize?....you could never really understand what I'm getting at...you're just you....

this thread has nothing to do with eyes!

Ever look at them so good and hard that they can't break away from you, and you don't want to let them go....?..


wow. I just had to reply.

This is definitely a virgo thing. And only a virgo thing. Scorps can't do this to me. So far though, 3 virgos have had the power to actually fix me in their stare, and I cannot, CANNOT break away!!!

It's not scary though. I feel like a deer in the headlights when it happens, but it's almost like they've got me captive, and it's okay. It's not an aggressive, "I want to hurt you" stare, it's an "I can SEEEEE YOUUUU" stare.

It's weird. Like they 'KNOW'. I guess some people are freaked out by it.

I'm an Aries though, so nothing scares me...haha.

BTW, my boyfriend trapped me with that stare the first time I laid eyes on him.. the rest is sweet history.

Yeah, it makes you feel naked, stripped down to the very core, unable to hide/posture/escape. The trick is...you have to stare back...let them see into you. It's nice actually.....and VERY VERY SEXY.

I think Aries are immune to the Scorp stare too

I had a Leo before my Virgo.

OK..Leos have some talent...but Virgos are.....

DELICIOUS

But you're comparing Leo to Aries in bed? Hmmmm...never been with an Aries...I hear they're the best though..haha

I think Aries is just insatiable.

You think we're done with you, and then before you know it....

Never, ever, ever underestimate the sex drive of an Aries.

Isn't Heffner an Aries?? Geez, the guy is like 1000 years old and still sleeping with beautiful 20 somethings...its almost criminal. haha

Other girls are too, not just Aries, but the guy has to be willing to perform certain activites too ya know 😛 😛 😛

It appears my Sun is in the 8th house....VERY heavy, and pertinent information....

'The suffering experienced by 8th House people, is always at the hands of people with whom they have a close personal relationship, and although there may be physical cruelty also, it is at the emotional level that the pain is registered. The pain is nearly always that of rejection and the knowledge that the intensity of their feelings is neither understood nor valued.

People with this placement of the Sun tend to experience the transforming energy of Pluto, the ruling planet of this house, as a force used by others against them. They do not readily use it themselves even in retaliation. People born with the Sun in the 8th House are usually born to parents unable to or unwilling to recognise the child's needs. Usually they have problems of their own and expect the child to be supportive and understanding. '

I don't even have the words....to put this together....mind bending—