Why Aquas never live up to the Uranian ideals.

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1. They care too much what other people think.

2. They conform too much to society's structure.

3. They want to be normal too much, even in the pretext of desiring to be unique.

4. Their ancient ruler is Saturn, and Uranus can never beat Saturn, or move out of it's binding.

That's why most Aquarians you meet seem like normal people. They're the mellow, unassuming people, with their heads in outer space and their radical, futuristic thoughts and fashion sense safely tucked in the cupboard of what they shouldn't disclose too much.

If Uranus had his way, without interference by irritating Saturn, Aquarians would really be the more unique beings on Earth. Like 1 in 12, and you can pick them out from the crowd.

The fact that now you can't, is because they focus their extreme quirkiness towards normality, repressing it somewhat (though it leaks out now and then), and focus more on developing their humane side, so as to mingle effectively with the fellow denizens of the Earth.

But they're really from outer space. Too bad Earth has confined them to this space.
And they care too much what people think (which is an essentially dreadful human trait)


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wow im gone for just a little while and lookie what we have here...
first, im surprised spica because i thought you understood us aquas a little better than most...

first off i dont know where you get the we care too much about what other people think...maybe a cusp aqua?*shrugs*

i have never gave two craps about what other people think about me as it is inconsequential and is absolutely unproductive to think about such things. the other aquas ive known ive never picked this vibe up off them either. i should also mention that there are two types of aquarians...one IS this more "repressed" version that you have described that is more of an undercover weirdo.
but lets not forget the other type, the ones that look like they come from outer space and have philosophies to match...i like to think im unique, but really lets face it...WHO is unique?...yeah i don't look like your typical texan girl...im heavily tattooed, but who doesn't have tats these days? i have purple and yellow hair...big deal, seen that before...in other words im not going to sit around thinking "oh i can't wear this or do that because some one else already did it..." well you know what? no one is freakin special or unique...its all been said and done before...its all just regurgitated now...

as far as conforming to society's structures i'd like to know WHO DOESN'T? who doesn't go to work, spend money, drive a car, watch tv, go online... etc etc? where is this island that these "non-conformers" live? because truly the ultimate non conformists would have to be hermits and prisoners (after all they're locked up for not conforming to laws, right?...whether or not those laws are wrong or right is a whole other debate) so im not sure i follow you on that one...the coming age of aquarius is upon us and we are definitely seeing its effects...the family structure has changed, homosexuality is becoming more accepted (not that i thought it wasn't or anything), the world is going through major social changes that could be considered very aquarian in nature...not all this new age hippie crap either...uranus is cold and detached, it has its negativities.
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wanting to be normal too much in the pretext of being unique....
i think this just goes back to what i was saying about uniqueness....now what i THINK you're referring to is "rebellion in a prescribed manner"....you can't sit around thinking about this sort of stuff...because who cares really? i just go about my own merry way and look, act, speak, do what i want...and i don't worry about what other people are doing...i think that's how you START to be unique. now i could point fingers to some other signs that definitely care way too much about what people think...but i don't wanna get into that mess...out of all the signs i would say aquarians care the least...
now id be willing to say we care what people think...just not what they think of us...i ponder what could be going through people's minds all the time...its because im like a sponge when it comes to how other people feel and they don't even have to tell me anything. i just know...whether or not i care is another story...

ive never known any "mellow" aquarians...the ones i know are very energetic, enthusiastic, weirdos, talkative, very social...never a dull moment should i say...and im only "humane" to an extent...im also detached therefore i can look at a situation without my "humanity". humans are the worst animal put on this earth...haven't you also heard that us aquarians are cold and calculating?
and speaking of society and aquas....the coming age of aquarius is very much in effect. i think we are seeing some of these changes take place...and it's not all new age hippie crap either...for instance the family structure has changed dramatically. homosexuality is more accepted. things that were considered taboo are commonplace. the world is going through some radical social changes that could be considered aquarian in nature. so i think it's us aquas who even make or break societal structures, how could we then be confined by such? i think we are much, much more progressive in our ideals than any other sign, especially when you talk of society.

and saturn schmaturn....there's my piece🙂...i just wanted to bring up those points...and you've unleashed yet another aqua trait...debate 🙂 gotta love it.
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Posted by normalisboring
There are certain things you HAVE to conform to when it comes to society. Just 'cos you want to be different don't make killing people (or any other thing that is against the law and involves hurting another person) ok.

So other than that the aquas I know (myself included) couldn't give a sh** what others think, whether friends or/and especially complete strangers, or even family for that matter.

In fact aquarius people are really selfish in that respect. I, for example, can feel the emotion in other people, sympathize, and turn off my conscience like a light switch if I don't give a sh** about the person. Unless, of course, there is something to be gained, in which case I will happily smile for the camera and be gone the moment I've got what I want.

Don't judge me, though. Human beings are the worst of God's creations.



NIB, I feel you're too hard on yourself. No, Aquas aren't the only ones who don't give a &% ^ $ . In fact, the reason why they feel bad for not giving a # $ % ^ is because they actually do.

One thing I noticed about the futuristic aspect of Aquas. Actually, you're right, it is a myth. BUT, Aqua knows that fashion is evergreen. What is old is new and vice versa. In fact, Aqua "futuristic" fashion is the oldest of the old, and they seem new because no-one of the present time has come across it frequently. Like, the future of thought is "new age", which is really, the most ancient of thoughts. And Aqua fashion is probably from the 1930s, which is defunct, but futuristic, because life culminates in a circle.
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All that futuristic bullsh** modern astrologers say aquas dress and behave like under uranian influence is a load of bull.

In my experience, no matter how much the aqua looks like they are conforming, there is always an ulterior motive. I've met good aquas and i've met awful aquas and the hidden motive is always there, no matter how genial or unapproachable they appear to be.



What motive is there?
You Aquas have an extremely heightened sense of intuition; your conversations go on higher planes. It gives people a headache trying to connect in conversation 😉
My idea of their true motives is really Ego driven. They try to hide it, but they're power hungry to the max. Thank God they tend to share the fruits of their labour with more people than other signs do in a lifetime 🙂
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Posted by Ike 2.0
saturn always beats up uranus . Though uranus gets pretty violent and demonic from time to time but saturn just replies" I AM AUTHORITY BITCH "! Then uranus shuts up and does calculus for saturn .



No, Uranus cannot be tamed, but it can be subdued because Saturn absorbs the abuse. Uranus is, IMO, one up from Saturn; it's like a bit of an upgrade. from V 1.0 to V 9.6
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Posted by Ike 2.0
uranus also constantly rebels against saturn but saturn keeps laying the smackdown on uranus time and time again . I feel bad for uranus but saturn really hates weird people and uranus is one weird dude . He just won;t shut the hell up about freedom and brotherhood and all that crap . Saturn pretty much listens to his ipod when uranus lectures him about his harsh methods .



If Saturn listens to Ipod it means he's using Uranus' stuff.
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Posted by FeistyAquarian
Most Aquarians I know are only silly and goofy and quirky behind closed doors, away from society. If I'm comfortable enough, I'll totally be like that and most people find it cute or charming or whatever. Hell, I know what I'm doing 🙂

I do dress normally though, I don't like standing out from the crowd much at all...And my hair looks normal, basically the same every day. But I am always dreaming of the future, being quirky (I never have quite fit in, and that's ok with me!!) and I Major in Biology 😄



Yah, too bad Aquarius has to hide their quirkiness.
Alot of Aquas I know are more normal than normal. The only way to identify them is through their hi-tech gadgets 😉
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In other words they are capricorns just cooler?

Face it, most revolutionaries have been Capricorns. 🙂



They are just breaking out of the Capricornian conventions. But they find it very hard though. Those who managed have already gone to Planet X. Not Earth. Earth is too limiting.

Capricorns usually adhere so much to convention they're unlikely to be revolutionaries. 😛 But they can if they doggedly support a cause to the end.
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wow im gone for just a little while and lookie what we have here...
first, im surprised spica because i thought you understood us aquas a little better than most...

first off i dont know where you get the we care too much about what other people think...maybe a cusp aqua?*shrugs*

i have never gave two craps about what other people think about me as it is inconsequential and is absolutely unproductive to think about such things. the other aquas ive known ive never picked this vibe up off them either. i should also mention that there are two types of aquarians...one IS this more "repressed" version that you have described that is more of an undercover weirdo.
but lets not forget the other type, the ones that look like they come from outer space and have philosophies to match...i like to think im unique, but really lets face it...WHO is unique?...yeah i don't look like your typical texan girl...im heavily tattooed, but who doesn't have tats these days? i have purple and yellow hair...big deal, seen that before...in other words im not going to sit around thinking "oh i can't wear this or do that because some one else already did it..." well you know what? no one is freakin special or unique...its all been said and done before...its all just regurgitated now...

as far as conforming to society's structures i'd like to know WHO DOESN'T? who doesn't go to work, spend money, drive a car, watch tv, go online... etc etc? where is this island that these "non-conformers" live? because truly the ultimate non conformists would have to be hermits and prisoners (after all they're locked up for not conforming to laws, right?...whether or not those laws are wrong or right is a whole other debate) so im not sure i follow you on that one...the coming age of aquarius is upon us and we are definitely seeing its effects...the family structure has changed, homosexuality is becoming more accepted (not that i thought it wasn't or anything), the world is going through major social changes that could be considered very aquarian in nature...not all this new age hippie crap either...uranus is cold and detached, it has its negativities.



You're in denial Morpheus. Aquas do care what people think. But they pretend they don't. One hint is because they conform to society.
The fact that Aqua think they're unique - most Aquas really do - they have the unique mindset geneti
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The fact that Aqua think they're unique - most Aquas really do - they have the unique mindset genetically engineered into them. So the fact that Aquas rebel using items of the Earth shows that they're not quite unique afterall. Plus they like to show off a bit.

That is why, I don't understand when Aquarius says he/she is unique, 'cos they're notso. 😛 Though the have clean and electric thoughts not laced with the fallible human biased emotions of other signs. This is probably the hallmark of their uniqueness, also why they're labelled robots 😛
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"wanting to be normal too much in the pretext of being unique....
i think this just goes back to what i was saying about uniqueness....now what i THINK you're referring to is "rebellion in a prescribed manner"....you can't sit around thinking about this sort of stuff...because who cares really? i just go about my own merry way and look, act, speak, do what i want...and i don't worry about what other people are doing...i think that's how you START to be unique. now i could point fingers to some other signs that definitely care way too much about what people think...but i don't wanna get into that mess...out of all the signs i would say aquarians care the least..."

Ok point taken 😛. I think I know which sign you might be referring to.

"now id be willing to say we care what people think...just not what they think of us...i ponder what could be going through people's minds all the time...its because im like a sponge when it comes to how other people feel and they don't even have to tell me anything. i just know...whether or not i care is another story..."

Well Aquarius likes friends, like social life, so they've to sort of follow the trends to attract followings.

"humans are the worst animal put on this earth...haven't you also heard that us aquarians are cold and calculating?"

Ouch, I've heard this statement twice and this counts for alot. Cold and calculating, but then you project the opposite. It's usually those who have never had these thoughts who are or can be the true psychopaths. Have you ever heard of a psychopath criticising himself? It's pretty much all praise.

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"and speaking of society and aquas....the coming age of aquarius is very much in effect. i think we are seeing some of these changes take place...and it's not all new age hippie crap either...for instance the family structure has changed dramatically. homosexuality is more accepted. things that were considered taboo are commonplace. the world is going through some radical social changes that could be considered aquarian in nature. so i think it's us aquas who even make or break societal structures, how could we then be confined by such? i think we are much, much more progressive in our ideals than any other sign, especially when you talk of society.

and saturn schmaturn....there's my piece...i just wanted to bring up those points...and you've unleashed yet another aqua trait...debate gotta love it."

Well Aquarius is esentially a fixed sign, so you're pretty stuck in your ways and seldom think of moving out/ breaking out of the box, if you so call. You tend to use what is already THERE to create new stuff, or to move in the beat of your own drum. Aquas are progressive, yes, but its only in the mind, thoughts, etc. The way Aquarius, IMO show their uniqueness is through humanity/ interactions more than physical inventions.









BUT I gotta get off my lil' soapbox now. I think I'm talking too much of more than I can ever know. I don't know Aquas that well - it's just my humble perception filtered through a rose-colored lens 😉
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Posted by Ike 2.0
Uranus is not an upgrade on saturn , they are just different . One is more efficient and powerful , while the other randomly spurts out good ideas from time to time that needs evaluation from saturn to be practical and actually useful to someone .



Saturn is the ancient ruler of Aquarius. Thus Uranus and Saturn exist side by side. Aquas have the memory of being Saturn ruled. Now they are just trying something different. But their new, exciting things are a large percentage dug up from the distant, forgotten past.
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NIB, I don't entirely agree with your post.

"Spica ... trust me, okay, just trust me ... besides getting something from another person, a lot of aquas don't play nice. Astrologers talk of an invisible wall - This is VERY TRUE for myself and the others i've encountered."

Yes, I have seen this in one Aqua. She is very messed up, and basically aimless. She's a lost soul. I would actually label her a sociopath, but she's never as nasty as other worse psychopaths I met, so I just label her weirdo.

"You see how they say there's people who are doers and people who are observers? Scorpios, pisces, leos and aquas are the only other sign I can call to mind that does BOTH."

You're offering yourself and other of your signs too much credit. Other signs do that too. They just miss your radar.

"You know why scorpios are reputed to be mean spirited? It's not because they just ARE. It's 'cos they've observed humans and realise that a lot of people just don't care about anyone but themselves. So why should they care?"

Scorpios are not all that good at analysis. They're pretty much instintual. They see the world's humans as how they themselves are.

"So yes, aquas are ambitious and coniving when it comes down to it, and this IS ego driven. What isn't? But I don't see any other way to get ahead in the world, do you?"

No. Ego is the last stop. Its like all roads lead to that place. It doesnt offer improvement. Just total consumption. Thats where Aqua might have erred. Thats why they take the next step after pure ego, which is to make their ego and kindness known to the world. This is called humanitarian efforts. Ego alone is not enough.


"Dude, I will praise myself for being cold and calculating if it gets me the result I want. Better cold and calculating than weak and aimless."

Not desireing to be weak is an Aqua force to be cold and calculating. But little do they know their idea of weakness is only because they set impossible standards for themselves as per Saturn.

"By the way, you sound like you've been READING on aquas as opposed to talking from EXPERIENCE. Just a thought next time you talk about uranus and some such."

I do both, but knowing a sign fully is too much, dont ya think? Even Aquas dont understand themselves, even less than 50% . They just are. As are alot of people. To think I know your sign totally is quite a compliment. But I'd say I hit a close 60% which is really good enough for me.

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"Most aquas I know are having enough trouble tricking society with how common they are to be thinking of how much uniqueness uranus has bestowed upon them for the day."

Alot of people have to pretend to be normal. Aqua tries extra hard, but either way they fail. It's hard to find a good balance between normal and a bit different 😛

"I don't know how we don't get along, except in the emotions department scorpios and aquas are pretty much the same."

Aquas are fascinated with Scorpios, and Scorpios are extra suspicious of Aquas. You may think emotionally you're the same, but your way of expression differs by more than a mile. Aquas do understand the intensity of scorpios, and probably vice versa. The difference is that their delusions are different. Scorpio's delusion is that Aquas are plotting their demise, while Aqua's delusion is that they are the authority on human motivations.
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Look NIB, the fact that you say I got that from a book is like making a conjecture. How do you really know?

When you say you KNOW, it means you believe with all your heart and mind. That does not make it the truth.

As far as clairvoyance goes, I think we've talked about it before, Aquas dont get it 100% . No-one can and does. I wouldnt put my full trust in psychic phenomena on a Aqua, tbh. I just believe so much more in human fallibility and that the universe keeps secrets, even from Aquas.

But what I know is Aquas and Scorpios are very seldom friends. As I mentioned, there's the suspicion thing; maybe being too alike, but in different ways.
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"You know, the way they deal with people, why they are so paranoid etc etc"

I have met good Aquas and I have met bad Aquas. And I can sincerely tell you that the good Aquas do not have an ounce of evil. Even if they do, they really regret it, because they're so conscious and alert all the time. I am lucky the Aquas I know have had found their direction and not resort to maybe chopping people up and dumping them in suitcases. They are paranoid only because they're vulnerable.

"And also, aquas try extra hard to be normal—?!!!! I thought your argument was they try to be unique? I thought the main reason why people talk about aquas is because of how different/rebellious/non-conformist they are?"

If you read my first post again, I mentioned Aquas try hard to be normal in the pretext of being unique. Aquas are a conundrum. They cannot even solve themselves. So they try to solve the world. The slightly more messed up ones take from the world to experiment in their warped inventions. Usually Aquas are messed up when younger. They finally settle on a fixed philosophy once they've settled into a relatively comfortable routine. Thats why I say Aquas are suited for Taurus. Aquas need that stability to tame their mental zigzag anxiety craziness.

"Ok, I think the Libra need for balance is f**king up sh** for you, man lol"

I'm okay with that. Ive been through worse; u may be affected by the need for balance, but this is the type of convo I am used to. 😛
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Look NIB, I don't normally quote others. I like to make my own quotes.

And scorpio and aries are alike, yes, definitely, but different in so many more ways. They're alike because they're both warrior types, ruled by mars.







Hah, see what I mean. When I siad they're the same, I didn't even MENTION stuff about being ruled by mars or being warrior types. I've never seen a scorp or an aires person do battle, HAVE YOU?
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I have.
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My point is it's just too general for me, spica. If I knew more libra people i'd break down your sign easy and even though you typed your disagreement, you'd nod your head in agreement wherever you are.

To know people, you have to watch them. I don't claim i'm all knowing on the motivations of human beings, but I know a thing or two (more like one thousand)



Maybe you think I dont watch people, and Im just writing based on things I read, but how do you know?
TBH, signs I comment on are those Ive been in close contact all my life. And my irritation with them is like a pebble in my shoe. Take it or leave it. I dont even mind if you think I plagiarised a book. Most people get their wisdom from books. They arent any less than experience. Sometimes, experience doesnt make people learn. Thats how repeating patterns transcend their lives, like forever.
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"What do I have to GAIN?"

KNOWLEDGE. You dont seem to know very much about astrology. Thas why you have beef with me bringing up astro lingos.

Oh, and that Liar comment is unwarranted. I dont think I need to prove it to you to make the conversation. Believe all you want.

"but I damn sure well can think like one!"

That may be a delusion. Its just like saying you can think like a female. Or, ME, being female, can think like a male. Though I'd say, yes I can think like a male, I wouldnt say it with certainty.
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"Why does everyone take me so literally? I'm not saying you're plagairising, i'm saying you SOUND like you're quoting. I KNOW they're your words!"

Nice twist.

"And of course I'm sure you watch people. The next step is to put yourself in their shoes and you'll arrive at a possible reason why they are the way they are."

Nice order. Fries at the side? I dont think I need you to tell me that.



Also, I read your comment on Aries. Too bad all people see are their 'honest', straightforward side. I know their true side, and its pretty much like a Trojan. Why dont you think about it, instead of telling me to?
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Spica, it's hard to argue with you. You just don't seem to get it.

I was kidding about the liar comment, didn't I write that? Guilty conscience, anyone?

I don't have beef with you using astro lingo. I'm just saying that it makes you sound like you don't really know what you're talking about.

About me being delusional about thinking like a scorpio or aries, go over to the scorpio board. I don't know why the people who did agreed with me, but they sure as hell were'nt trying to make me prove it the way i'm trying to make YOU prove your assumptions.



I really dont care about all your accusations. You have quite a bit to learn, yet.
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And you can't force me to write my personal experiences when I dont want to. I prefer not to bring in my experiences to the mix; does not mean I have none. Again, WHAT IS THERE TO PRIVE? Nothing. Take it or leave it. If you think I'm lying, then dont take my words. I dont rely on someone else on the boards to tell me whether Im right or not to KNOW im right or not. This is how I see the signs. And it's never gonna change.
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I, for example, can feel the emotion in other people, sympathize, and turn off my conscience like a light switch if I don't give a sh** about the person. Unless, of course, there is something to be gained, in which case I will happily smile for the camera and be gone the moment I've got what I want.
Don't judge me, though. Human beings are the worst of God's creations.



hehehe
same here.. you're kinda forced into becoming that way, nowadays..
if you wanna be nice and always there, people will eat you alive..
with no remorse..

I'm a libra btw..
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I noticed a trend in human beings. The were born how they always should be. Then they grow up and society teaches them to move far away from their spirituality/ their true selves. Then at a certain age, they will try to learn it back, what they already knew as a kid. And they think they are wise. The wisest souls are the kids. Adults follow society too much. Yet its the very thing society teaches them that brings them farther from their true desires. Tats why people are so messed up when they shouldnt be.
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"I'm not arguing about that, mate. My argument is YOU need to think like an aqua to know about one.

To catch a crook think like a crook."

UM yeah, how do you know I wasnt attempting to think like one? Dont base too much on words. They pretty much mean moot. Of course I was thinking like an Aqua. But whether it is a true account is questionable, because Im not an Aqua. Logical enough for you—————??
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spica-
based on my experience with aquas : I don't think aquas are conformists..

most of them don't give a fuck about what people think of them..
they know when and where to put that social mask.. but aren't hypocrits..
more like: you will hear the truth if you asked for it..

laters..






I don't know what it is about water signs (from what I recall hypnotic101 is either a scorp or a pisces, I think) and putting words into perspective. Damn, I wish I could do that.
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From what I noticed you hate being an Aqua. I'd think that at least you could stop bringing in your own biasness towards water signs to the mix. It just skews the discussion.
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Hypnotic is Libra, can't you read?

Also, I'd bring up astroknowedge to explain certain stuff, but I don't think it's worth it. Im actually pretty scorpionic. Revenge is in my blood. AND, I don't stoop to anything to see certain things to completion. SO, make out all you want. And I'm still pretty proud of my air influence.

Its people liek YOU who hate being an Aqua when being an aqua is good in certain ways. Only those who try can see the good in their sun sign, and not salivate over being like someone else.

But dude, when I was 22 I was majorly figuring y life out, so Id offer you some slack there.

AND my original post about kids will never change. Dont bring up a Bulger case to make your point. THANKS.
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Posted by normalisboring
Now, i'm just going "Huh?" lol

Really, spica, you've lost me.



In an Aqua thread, 'lost' is the correct word to use.

My original post about children is that they are the wisest until they learn to lie, by their parents or peers.
And those kids who killed James Bulger were not young anymore. And you can bet their upbringing is bad. Plus theyve had bad friends/ influences.
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spica
@spica
18 Years5,000+ Posts

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Posted by normalisboring
Good for you about being scorpionic, by the way. Adds a lot of ... MEAT, to your agrument.



See, you take too much of what others say into account. I can say Im geminian, or Cancerian, you'd also believe me, yeah?
maybe you should read up more on astrology and their symbols instead of going by observations alone, because, observations are moot when you knonot what you're looking for.

PLUS, you've not reached the psychc stage, but alot of aquas work on it.
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@backtolife
16 YearsCapricorn

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Posted by spica
1. They care too much what other people think.

2. They conform too much to society's structure.

3. They want to be normal too much, even in the pretext of desiring to be unique.




🙂



I completely agree. All the aquas I've met have been quite behaved and eager to conform. Their rebelliousness only (in my eyes) seems to manifest itself in their friendliness, and sense of humanity.. chatty.. not snobby.. and very humanitarian. Hm.
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