Sign in Sun vs. Sign in Moon & Self Identity.(Seriously, Very Long Post, Very In Depth, Need Answer)

Hello,

To start off, I'm a Virgo Sun, Pisces Moon, Virgo Mercury, Scorpio Rising, Scorpio Venus and Scorpio Mars. That's really all I'm discussing in this post so I am not providing any other details as they are unnecessary.

I've been thinking a lot recently and went up the curious trail of sun and moon signs and I started to really wonder what is the difference between having a certain set of signs for sun and moon (2 different signs) and then having those same signs but now reversed (original sun now is the moon sign and the original moon is now the sun sign) and how this changes a person and the effect of the signs in different positions on a person.

To start off, I want to provide a really good example and also the reason why I went deep into this question in the first place. So I'm a pisces moon and with that placement you guys already know the very very emotional side, the sensitive side, the creativity, the dreams/visions/imaginations, the transcendent world that surpasses reality, head in the clouds, etc etc. Also, i'm a Virgo sun and with that placement you guys already know the attention to detail, the work ethic, grounded, stable, reliable, helpful, intelligent, desire for success, wealth, well being, etc etc. As they are opposite signs they cause a lot of trouble for me.

I feel like my Virgo Sun is what I am SUPPOSED to be and SHOULD be on a daily basis and general life style , I should be the Virgo that I am. And with that statement I 100% agree. I am only satisfied when everything in my life is in order, organized, proper, and i'm working towards something that will better me, being productive, being healthy, in shape, looking good, on my best behavior, etc etc. If stuff isn't clean, or my room is a mess, or all my schoolwork is kind of getting out of hand and i'm not doing stuff to the best of my ability, i'm slacking, i don't have a routine i'm following, or things/aspects in my life are generally out of order/place/lack proper routine and properness in general, I get really annoyed and angry and irritated and that stuff bothers me and I won't be able to do anything or enjoy anything WHATSOEVER AT ALL no matter how happy it would normally make me or how great it is because in the back of my head I'll have that lingering thought of "omg my routine is messed up, omg i missed a day at the gym, omg my room is dirty i have clothes everywhere, omg i didn't do so well on an assignment i could have and should have gotten a 100, i forgot to do this, i have to get this done, etc etc" it goes on and on. So with that being said, and from me experiencing that countless times in my life, i've come to a realization that in order for me to experience and express happiness and joy and the highest level of satisfaction in my life, I must have my "virgo sun satisfied".

By that I mean, In order for me to be at my best and peak and just enjoy life on a day to day basis, I must keep those things in check, aka my virgo sun. I have to abide by those things and I have to get great grades, have a great set routine, be organized, be clean, be fit, be healthy, be on a route/road to a better future, be productive in some way to better myself etc etc. So in a sense, I'm very much a typical "Virgo" correct? But here's where the issue stems from now. All that which I just said, I will follow that and live like that on a day to day basis in order to keep my sun happy and essentially keep myself happy, but doing those things and living that way isn't what "happiness" is to me. That's just the things that I need to keep in check so it doesn't bother me. In other words, those are things that I NEED to do to avoid my brain from constantly being in shambles and worrying and stress free. But that isn't "happiness" that's more like "satisfaction". So I do that stuff so I can be satisfied and worry free, but that isn't what I am happy doing and what makes my life go round. Doing chores, being organized, working out, being healthy, getting good grades, etc, all that stuff doesn't make me "happy" it's just stuff that I need to do to keep me satisfied and make sure i'm on the proper track because that's what my virgo sun directs me at. It wants me to be proper, healthy, organized, clean, successful, stress free, etc etc so I make sure I do stuff to agree with that "virgo sun contract". Being satisfied is just a step towards happiness, because if I'm not satisfied and in a good place, I will never get to achieving happiness in the first place. But if I do the things that make me happy, but I'm not really living right and properly according to the standards set by my virgo sun, i'm failing at life and I feel like i'm doing the wrong things and going the wrong direction and falling off the right track. I hope you guys are understanding what I'm saying here. To sum it up briefly, I HAVE to and I MUST follow the rules and guidelines of my virgo sun in order to be stress free and in a good state of mind and place, and that's stuff I HAVE to do because that is my way and path of life and that's stuff I MUST take care of and do. So essentially, my sun is pretty much my way of life, my life style , how I live day to day, my priorities, and a set of things I live by in order to be stress free and be satisfied. It's essentially my "blueprint" to life which I must follow and live by. It's my instructions, it's the angel on my shoulder telling me what to do, what's right, what's the right thing to do, what's important, what's proper, what SHOULD you be doing, etc etc. I hope that properly, specifically, and in depthly gives you guys an understanding of how the Virgo in the SUN position affects me and makes me and impacts my life.

Now, on to the Pisces Moon. Now THIS is what I feel like is the TRUE and REAL me. This is what I relate to the most, THIS is what has the KEY to my HAPPINESS, this is what I want to BE, and FEEL, and EXPERIENCE, and THIS is my SOUL. So I'm gonna tie this in now. I'm a very artistic person. I love art, I love music, I love movies, I love photography, and most importantly of all, I love EMOTION and FEELS. The core and soul of my life would be EMOTION. I live for emotion, I live to feel, I live to make memories, to make amazing time, to enjoy life with company and happiness and joy with my closest friends/family etc. I want to live life like a perfect transcendent movie. I want to make life into a movie and live like i'm not living in the real world but a fantasy world of happiness and joy. I want that kind of a life. That's what I deeply desire and strive for and want to feel and be in life. That's what makes me TRULY HAPPY. Currently I'm 19, in college. And I constantly find myself asking, what do you want your life to be remembered as. So then I say okay when I'm older, and I look back, and I look way back to my college years, this is what I want to see it like, this is what I want to do, this is what I want it to be remembered like. So this is what makes me "happy". I want to live a certain type of life, and then I want to do that and live that and experience that and then I'll be happy as hell knowing that I did that and I experienced that. Personally, I want to do a lot of crazy stuff, a lot of dumb stuff, do a lot of drugs, (nothing serious or crazy I'm alluding to alcohol, weed, small stuff) have a lot of quality memorable nights, experiences, times, and stuff like that. I want to live and experience all that, and make the most of it, and most importantly I want to feel the highest level of emotion. I want to look back at my life and see that okay you lived the fantasy type life that you imagine in your head, and you brought it to reality, you did it, you lived it. But at the same time, I want to get really good grades, be a proper person/student, be on the right path, have a good image, and live life the right way. And I think I really really do care about my image a lot, but I'm not even sure what I want my image to be? or what it should be? a lot of confusion.

So now I want to bring these two signs in together, as well as incorporating my rising, mars and venus signs. So from the descriptions I've had of my sun and moon, I hope there is a solid understanding of those 2 signs and in those 2 positions (sun and moon) and how the affect me. So back to the question, this is where I'm at. Essentially, my moon is the "true" me, it's what I want in life, it's what I want to feel, it's my soul it's my desires, it's what makes me happy. Therefore, that's what's most important for me to fulfill and satisfy and that's what I NEED to do to feel complete in life. Here's where the issue stems from: my sun doesn't really allow this to happen. Overtime I've realized that IN MY HEAD, I see and envision myself living a certain type of life style , being a certain way, looking a certain way, having a certain vibe, and all the things that I WANT to do in life, I do those all in my head and live by temporary satisfaction of FEELING that in my head and I feel okay knowing that I see all that in my head. But, I realized... that although I see all that in my head and i live in that little world, NONE of that is REAL. None of that is externalized in reality. For example, in my head I see myself being very artistic, very creative, very imaginative, expressive of emotion, being in amazing photography, having and taking amazing pictures, expressing myself, my emotional side, my sensuality, my power, and in general all my qualities. But then I look from a 3rd person perspective, as if someone else is looking at me and knowing me, they don't see ANY of that. They don't see any of that which I see in my head and envision myself as. I envision myself as a person with a certain vibe, aura and personality, if I were to describe it I'd envision myself to be a very piscean/scorpionic type of person. WHICH I AM. I am water dominant, and my most dominant sign is Scorpio.

Continuing this on my next post, keep reading.

But since I am a VIRGO SUN, the life style and the way I live, present myself, the pictures I post on social media, the tweets I have on twitter, the general way I just live my life, Not at all does it even show in the least accuracy the type of person I really truly am. So if somebody saw me or tried to know stuff about me, they'd think of me as that way. As the "Virgo" person. My Piscean side, or my scorpionic side, is never really expressed and I feel like it's just hidden in me. And that's the thing. It's HIDDEN, INSIDE of ME, so nobody else really knows that about me, but the deep truth is that that is the TRUE me. The external me and the kind of life style I live, isn't reallly the TRUE me, that's just how I do things and the way I live and operate I guess that's just the virgo sun being the virgo sun, but I feel like the true real me is my moon and my mars and venus which drives me. So with all that being said, I am essentially on a personal journey to identify myself and in this journey I am also seeking knowledge on this topic. I think I have wrote an insane amount, so I think now you guys should get a really good picture of my sun and

moon and their effect on me.

Additionally, my scorpio rising, and scorpio mars first house conjuct my scorpio rising makes me look a certain way and have a certain aura/vibe. In combination with my virgo sun, this pretty much restricts me from coming off as weak, or emotional, or sensitive, caring, etc and as the virgo sun and scorpio rising come together, I really come off as a person who I'm really not. Deep down I'm very wild, fun, crazy, joyful, energetic, caring, loving, etc. But I come off as someone who's a "strong silent type" someone who's mature, intelligent, receptive, put together, stable, etc. But in reality I'm not like that at all. I strive to be stable and grounded and put together and stuff, but that's not the true me. I already explained who I really am. Now about the mars and venus, when it comes to love and sex and power and anger and all that stuff, I am 1000% exactly as the scorpio mars and venus would say I am. 100% on the dot. I have huge sexual desires, urges, fantasies, craze, and I have a deep need for sexual release in a way that transcends reality, I don't fall in line with the concept of "normal" sex. Sex and Love to me is on another level than most and in combination with my pisces moon, the dreams, fantasies, visions, and things in general that come to my mind and that I want to do is ABSOLUTELY absurd and it's pretty damn crazy. There's a LOT of things I WANT to do and WANT to experience and that's stuff that I REALLY NEED to do, but like I said before, my Virgo sun doesn't really allow me to be me and do me. It's really restrictive. As a result, I get really jealous and feel out of place when I see these "weird kids" doing crazy things, artistic things, photo shoots, sexual shoots, expressing themselves as the way they are, and living the life that I so BADLY WANT to live and experience.

The more I envy them and want to be them though, the more I realize that I can never be them and never live that way. My Virgo Sun will never go away and I will really live that type of a life style I feel like. I will always want to be proper, organized, have a proper image, and stuff like that. If I act upon and be like the way I truly want to be, I feel like I'm not being myself anymore and I'm drifting away and then my Virgo Sun gets irritated and brings me back to earth and reality. So this is very problematic. I feel like who I am, and who I want to be, and who I should be, and who I really truly deeply am inside, I can never externalize that. I can never bring that outside. I can't live that. Who I really am, isn't who I live as. And that causes for a lot of problems. I really really want to express myself and be myself and show the world who I really am, but I just simply CANNOT do that. So my outlet of doing that is through social media, such as instagram or twitter. I made a list of a lot of things I want to tweet and a lot of pictures I want to take and post, but.. I never get to posting any of it. Again, we're in the same situation where I am a certain way, I see myself a certain way and I do certain things, but I never externalize it. I never posted those pictures, never tweeted those things, never showed the world who I really am. What I want, and what I am, is controlled by my Virgo Sun and it really restricts me and leads to a lot of problems.

One good example of this is, for example if I'm in the car and my friends want to play some music and I don't really like it that much or I wanna play something else, I won't say anything or i'll say it's fine play it, even tho truly I WANT to listen to something else. Another example, if i'm really mad at someone or something i'd want to do something or react a certain way or do a certain thing. And as a Scorpio Mars, my anger gets pretty damn crazy. Sometimes it takes control and I essentially "lose" my virgo sun and the anger just takes over, but MOST times that won't happen and even if I'm really mad like lets say somebody just punched my brother, i'd get EXTREMELY mad and i'd want to honestly beat the living life out of that person but I won't do that. I'll do the right thing the proper thing and essentially follow the "Virgo blueprint". If my sun was maybe an aries or scorpio or something then probably I'd have reacted much differently such as maybe actually fight the person. These are just some examples of how my Sun sign really restrcits me and how I'm so much different than what I come off as and the things I really do on a day to day basis. I think I'm done talking now, I wrote way too much anyways and I hope you have a really good idea of exactly what I'm alluding to/getting at.

With all that being said, these are the questions I have, and want to get answered.

1. Who am I really? I know that I'm really not my virgo sun and I'm actually very Pisces/Scorpio (atleast internally), but since that lingering Virgo governs me and directs me, and my internal never really turns into external, does that mean the real me is actually the Virgo? Even tho I feel and want other things, if I keep acting based on my Virgo, does that essentially just make me the Virgo? Is that who I am? Should I follow and abide by that and try to put awya the real me? Or is the real me the pisces/scorpio and I should rather practice and learn to externalize that and by myself rather than abiding to the Virgo blueprints?

These next few questions is one of the main reasons why I'm here and some of the main questions I wanted answered, so please try your best to answer those if you can. The first question was more of a personal thing for me, but my desire for knowledge is more so in these next few questions.

2. So as I've explained my situation with the sun and moon, about how the sun is like the blueprint and governs you, but the moon is really how u truly are, I want to know the differences in people based on certain signs and those signs flipped in the sun and moon position, here they are:

A) Cancer Sun and Aries Moon, & the counter of that being Aries Sun and Cancer Moon.

B) Pisces Sun and Sagittarius Moon, & the counter of that being Sagittarius Sun and Pisces Moon.

C) Scorpio Sun and Capricorn Moon, & the counter of that being Capricorn Sun and Scorpio Moon.

D) Virgo Sun and Pisces Moon, & the counter of that being Pisces Sun and Virgo Mooon.

E) Virgo Sun and Cancer Moon, & the counter of that being Cancer Sun and Virgo Moon.

I want to know how these people would be different from the flip flop of that person and how it affects their life, their day to day, the reactions, responses, their characteristics, their behaviors, and most importantly how they TRULY REALLY ARE in terms of emotion, how would these people be in a RELATIONSHIP? What they want/desire/need in life, what makes them happy/fulfilled, what their motives are, what their desires are, etc. If you are answering my 2nd question and those matches and their counters, PLEASE be as in depth as possible I really truly want to know.

How would a Cancer Sun/Aries Moon different from a Aries Sun/Cancer Moon? the Cancer Moon actually be the more "cancer" out of the two but live life like an Aries, but deep down this person is a lot more truly cancer than the sun? How would the Pisces Sun/Sag Moon differ from Sag Sun/Pisces Moon? Would the Pisces Sun live more of a pisces type life but deeply truly represent a sag in terms of their true self, etc? Would the counter of that being Sag Sun/Pisces Moon live much more like a sag and have that kind of a fiery life style , but feel deeply and truly be and feel as a pisces? Their true desires intentions aspirations and goals in life match up with the pisces moon..? Or is this all the other way around, or something different, and I'm wrong I don't know. I would really like to know in detail those 5 combinations as I really really am interested and want to learn very badly. If I can get quality explanations on those and the concept of Sun/Moon and flip flopped in general that'd be really really great I'd really appreciate it.

One last thing I want to close on, if my chart was the same, but say my Sun was an Aries or Pisces/Scorpio, would I act on/take action on what I want and what I feel? For example, if I wanted something or didn't like something, if I was an Aries Sun would I be vocal about it and express it and get what I want? In a relationship if I was feeling really sexual or full of emotion, if I was an Aries Sun/Scorpio Sun would I take action upon that desire and act on it and express that to my girlfriend and get something out of it?

If I really wanted to do something creative, such as photography, make a cool video, do something really interesting and artistic, (which I want to) if I wasn't a Virgo Sun and it didn't prevent me from doing so, if I was a Pisces Sun, would I have gone ahead and done all that? Stuff like that, if I can get clarification on that'd be really helpful, thanks a lot.

I'm really sorry for this absurdly exceptionally long post, but I really wanted to get out everything and I'm really hoping to get quality answers from which I can learn from. Thanks a LOT.

Again, sorry if my post is extremely fucking long and annoying, to those who can read all this and are willing to help me, please do so in depth and be specific as I am eager to learn and understand and experience this. To those that can't stand to read all this and cannot give the type of answers I'm looking for, save yourself from posting short weak comments/answers as they probably won't help me and you'd be wasting your time anyways, not to sound like a really rude person but I really just want to read nice detailed answers and I don't want pointless or weak answers or silly arguments. Thanks a lot.

You just spoke me.

Omg.

Virgo sun, pisces moon, Libra mercury, scorpio Venus, scorpio rising, cancer mars (in the 8th house).

This feels raw.

Bump. I really hope someone can sit through and read all this and give me answers lol. Not to be demanding but this is something that I've really been thinking about and would really love some insight on this.

Posted by shaymaci
You just spoke me.

Omg.

Virgo sun, pisces moon, Libra mercury, scorpio Venus, scorpio rising, cancer mars (in the 8th house).

This feels raw.

Yea. Virgo Sun Pisces Moon is honestly a really insane combo and to add scorpio rising onto that adds so many more difficulties. I have Mars in Scorpio (1st House) conjunct to my Scorpio Ascendant and it makes it like 9000x stronger.

It is definitely a huge problem having opposite sun and moon. More specifically for us, having a Virgo Sun which is feminine, quiet, and not exactly energetic or outgoing but having such a strong personality beneath you is a problem because you can't fully really truly be "yourself" and as a result that just stays hidden in you which sucks.

I have times when I overcome this and actually become very confident and expressive and outgoing and just exert my strong personality but that's always temporary and in time I revert back to my old self.

Posted by Capz
not gonne lie im lazy af, or pass me 5 dolla on paypal and i read it

Lol bro if I had money to give I would gladly do that no issue. But unfortunately that's not the case so I can't. But, if you do happen to be knowledgeable about this stuff, you should really read it and check it out I think you'd be surprised and be interested and if you have answers, that could really help me out as well.

Posted by Sp17

Posted by shaymaci
You just spoke me.

Omg.

Virgo sun, pisces moon, Libra mercury, scorpio Venus, scorpio rising, cancer mars (in the 8th house).

This feels raw.

Yea. Virgo Sun Pisces Moon is honestly a really insane combo and to add scorpio rising onto that adds so many more difficulties. I have Mars in Scorpio (1st House) conjunct to my Scorpio Ascendant and it makes it like 9000x stronger.

It is definitely a huge problem having opposite sun and moon. More specifically for us, having a Virgo Sun which is feminine, quiet, and not exactly energetic or outgoing but having such a strong personality beneath you is a problem because you can't fully really truly be "yourself" and as a result that just stays hidden in you which sucks.

I have times when I overcome this and actually become very confident and expressive and outgoing and just exert my strong personality but that's always temporary and in time I revert back to my old self.

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Exactly! It feels as if no one truly sees you. Or ever understands who you are.

Posted by sierraleoone

Posted by Sp17
If I really wanted to do something creative, such as photography, make a cool video, do something really interesting and artistic, (which I want to) if I wasn't a Virgo Sun and it didn't prevent me from doing so, if I was a Pisces Sun, would I have gone ahead and done all that? Stuff like that, if I can get clarification on that'd be really helpful, thanks a lot.

I'm really sorry for this absurdly exceptionally long post, but I really wanted to get out everything and I'm really hoping to get quality answers from which I can learn from. Thanks a LOT.

don't you mean that your pisces moon would've inspired you to do that and your sun made you actually go on to do it... to apply the idea?

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What you said is very true, my moon inspires me and my sun puts it into deep detail and perspective for me to do it. But at the same time, a lot of times I get a feeling that I shouldn't be doing this, or this isn't you, this isn't your *image*, this isn't what people should see of you, so essentially it's like my sun is just telling me to abide by it and live by it even tho I want to do other things. It's really really hard to explain, but I'm sure you understand as you yourself are virgo sun pisces moon.

Posted by sierraleoone
@Sp17

then go post those pics and send out those tweets

but do it coz you want to and not coz you feel obligated to your moon

as for me, i don't see anything wrong with keeping things to myself

What is your stance on the sun vs moon debate? and as a virgo sun pisces moon, how do u feel? do u feel the same way I do? do you feel as if what you are truly isn't what you live by? do you feel like two opposites pulling at you at the same time? i would love some insight from you. and if you can answer any of my sun vs moon questions that'd be rly handy too, thanks a lot.

If anyone can answer my questions under the 2nd question i'd really reallly appreciate it