sweethearts
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Sociopaths
I worked for one once, He raped his own daughter and his wife killed herself.
One sorry S.O.B.
One sorry S.O.B.
Posted by WynterBourneSome common traits to recognize a sociopath:
Unless under the spell of a psychotic delusion, extreme rage, inescapable deprivation, drugs, or a destructive authority figure a person who is —conscience bound?? does not-in the same sense he cannot-kill, rape in cold blood, torture another person, steal someone's life savings, trick someone into a loveless relationship as sport or willfully abandon his own child.
The tools of the trade:
Charm
Sport, or revenge. This is such a common complaint, makes one wonder if the ratio of sociopaths should be higher.
Sounds like an interesting read, I will check it out 🙂click to expand
Yes I wondered that myself.
It's such an interesting book and hard to put down from the first page...especially if you've experienced one! Takes a little to get your head around that anyone can be that unscrupulous though!
That was predictable Sigh...
Posted by sweethearts
Sociopaths...people with no conscience. Most of us live by our consciences it plays a part in our everyday lives when mak
HA!
Most people do as thou wilt in my experience.
Most humans are base, cruel, selfish beings when the mood is juuuuust right, of course.
It's just fear that's missing on the sociopath's part IMHO, which is usually why they're described to just shrug and move on to the next victim once their act has been discovered.
It's why astrologically speaking most point to aquarians as having the most sociopathic tendencies: guilt is one of those RARE emotions they show.
Like I believe though, the true sociopaths in my opinion are the murderous ones since it takes a lot to decide to end someone else's life.
Everybody ignores their conscience at surprisingly numerous times in their life.
All those things, the torture, the rape, the manipulative behaviour, the charm etc EVERYONE sociopathornot, man or woman is capable of doing them.
It was the order of the day before laws and stuff were created.
It may seem like I'm defending sociopaths or just being a misanthrope but I don't believe in demonising a class of person without first trying to walk in their shoes.
Sociopaths CAN cry. If you turned the table on a torturer and tortured him terribly he'd scream out for his mommy.
Some medical conditions imply hopelessness but there is hope in even the most evil of us.
Even Hitler took a shit.
It was the order of the day before laws and stuff were created.
It may seem like I'm defending sociopaths or just being a misanthrope but I don't believe in demonising a class of person without first trying to walk in their shoes.
Sociopaths CAN cry. If you turned the table on a torturer and tortured him terribly he'd scream out for his mommy.
Some medical conditions imply hopelessness but there is hope in even the most evil of us.
Even Hitler took a shit.
When my bro had a break down I went to the clinic he was at. In the corridors, psychotic people their brains surpressed by drugs walked around with nothing to do all day.
A lot of them kept coming to talk to me but everyone who wasn't admitted - my mum, older bro, and the caretakers - kept telling me not to engage them in conversation...
...which was odd to me because from what I gleened from the ones In listened to not being talked to was the underlying reason why they were in there in the first place.
Society's answer is just to push what they don't like under the rug or demonize it.
Even someone past the point of madness acts with a pattern of logic.
You put food in front of him/her when he or her is hungry, they'll eat.
You give 'em a blanket when they're cold they'll wrap it around themselves.
Some people have to be given what THEY want to come back from the darkness.
A lot of rapists are made, not born.
As are violent people.
And you can explain it away as a chemical imbalance but some things are awhole lot simpler to fix without pills.
A lot of them kept coming to talk to me but everyone who wasn't admitted - my mum, older bro, and the caretakers - kept telling me not to engage them in conversation...
...which was odd to me because from what I gleened from the ones In listened to not being talked to was the underlying reason why they were in there in the first place.
Society's answer is just to push what they don't like under the rug or demonize it.
Even someone past the point of madness acts with a pattern of logic.
You put food in front of him/her when he or her is hungry, they'll eat.
You give 'em a blanket when they're cold they'll wrap it around themselves.
Some people have to be given what THEY want to come back from the darkness.
A lot of rapists are made, not born.
As are violent people.
And you can explain it away as a chemical imbalance but some things are awhole lot simpler to fix without pills.
Posted by amethyst2002
Dude, you have issues. You sympathize with sociopaths, but you can't understand the reason behind hate. ...alrighty then.
As for the stats of 1 in 25, I'd say most of Hollywood is within that statistic. :p
lol
1) i did mention two posts up that i wasn't sympathizing and
2) in this thread as in the hate thread the main point I'm trying to make is people should try to understand before they judge.
If you remember I was more hung up on WHY Hitler, the slave traders and the pilgrims did what they did than on WHAT they did.
But, whatever, yeah, I can see how stating someone has issues and then moving on would be easier than trying to understand the origins of the issues - if any - in the first place... ANOTHER point I made some posts above.
People'll be people, 1two3go. THAT you can always count on.
Understand why? To help them— Sociopaths very rarely want to be helped as they have no desire to change, in their minds they are doing nothing wrong. You need to be able to really feel to understand that you need to change and be a better person.
Not all Sociopaths are killers or violent or cheaters, they just don't have boundaries to prevent them from doing what a normal person with a conscience would.
Obviously you haven't read the book, it really does make perfect sense and is available at any library.
My own take...they are dead men/women walking! Keep them at arms length!
Not all Sociopaths are killers or violent or cheaters, they just don't have boundaries to prevent them from doing what a normal person with a conscience would.
Obviously you haven't read the book, it really does make perfect sense and is available at any library.
My own take...they are dead men/women walking! Keep them at arms length!
Posted by sweethearts
Understand why? To help them— Sociopaths very rarely want to be helped as they have no desire to change, in their minds they are doing nothing wrong. You need to be able to really feel to understand that you need to change and be a better person.
Not all Sociopaths are killers or violent or cheaters, they just don't have boundaries to prevent them from doing what a normal person with a conscience would.
Obviously you haven't read the book, it really does make perfect sense and is available at any library.
My own take...they are dead men/women walking! Keep them at arms length!
No I haven't read the book...
That would be my own observation too (dead man/woman walking), actually.
Except, I mean it more in the sense that these people have NOTHING to lose.
Something or someone has made them look at the world and think that NOTHING is important.
Not love, not respect, not the rights of others, not even feelings of guilt, or other emotions.
They probably possess very nihilistic outlooks on life.
I would describe them as depressed, somewhat, in that like depressed people they can't see any good in anything.
The difference is that unlike the depressed this doesn't make them curl up into a ball but actually spurs them into action.
Nothing really truly matters, right? Might as well do as I want.
I wouldn't say these people are born without a conscience, too, because it's during childhood that these tendencies spring up.
As children they felt feelings and these feelings turned them into what they are. GUILT is definitely one of those.
What could have happened is the shirking of these feelings as they grew older in a wrong attempt to feel strong.
And what you said about keeping them at arms length is very interesting: these people only prey on the weak, you know.
So the answer could be with them being in the midst of strong people, maybe?
This of course is just my opinion.
The book does sound interesting, though.
But sometimes to understand the world around you you have to look within.
But sometimes to understand the world around you you have to look within.
I've known a guy who displayed sociopathic tendency number one (disregard for the rights of others).
Like I've said, though, sociopaths are still human despite their quieter consciences.
No one's ever disregarded THEIR rights, so how the fuck are they supposed to know it's a bad thing?
By being yelled at or cut out of their victim's life? Pur-lease.
They gotta feel how you felt when they did what they did to you, physically feel it to know what it's like.
Revenge is the answer is what I'm saying.
They're not zombies, you know...
Like I've said, though, sociopaths are still human despite their quieter consciences.
No one's ever disregarded THEIR rights, so how the fuck are they supposed to know it's a bad thing?
By being yelled at or cut out of their victim's life? Pur-lease.
They gotta feel how you felt when they did what they did to you, physically feel it to know what it's like.
Revenge is the answer is what I'm saying.
They're not zombies, you know...
I read up on sociopaths last week and the signs to spot one are pretty ambiguous. Some signs were "Charming", "Look to gain one's sympathy since the begining", "Have a predatory look in their eyes", and the other ones you mentioned. Technically a lot of people would fall under that.
They have a term for everything nowadays. Ultimately a sociopath is a user who toys with people for their own satisfaction/benefit. Hitler was one, but half the sign of sociopathy wouldn't fit him. There's no need for a fancy term. Better yet, what's wrong with "user" that they had to come up with "sociopath".
They have a term for everything nowadays. Ultimately a sociopath is a user who toys with people for their own satisfaction/benefit. Hitler was one, but half the sign of sociopathy wouldn't fit him. There's no need for a fancy term. Better yet, what's wrong with "user" that they had to come up with "sociopath".
You both have good valid points and understand to a certain extent...read the book, I don't have a phd or pretend to, I was just effected by one and this was a real eye opener because I was completely blinded...or rather 80% blinded.
I was lucky!
I was lucky!
Posted by sweethearts
You both have good valid points and understand to a certain extent...read the book, I don't have a phd or pretend to, I was just effected by one and this was a real eye opener because I was completely blinded...or rather 80% blinded.
I was lucky!
Oh, yeah - same here. No PHD people, my above posts are just musings.
Okay I read this book 2 years ago, but I didn't find it very well written. For one, she doesn't have proper backing, but all are just case studies which seems like her own opinions. Granted, sociopaths are not easy to spot. Most are too cunning to blend/ meld with the social networks and go undetected.
Personally, I have met 2 I consider sociopaths, but they are harmless, aka, unlikely to murder. They are just socio-sharks out to kill to climb up the ladder. Basically, most people are socis, but the true dysfunctions come from very low self esteem coupled with incessant negativity. Very likely, they had childhood issues and are compensatingfor the lack of love they desired as a youngin.
Personally, I have met 2 I consider sociopaths, but they are harmless, aka, unlikely to murder. They are just socio-sharks out to kill to climb up the ladder. Basically, most people are socis, but the true dysfunctions come from very low self esteem coupled with incessant negativity. Very likely, they had childhood issues and are compensatingfor the lack of love they desired as a youngin.
I would tell but how much of it would be perceived factually?
Posted by spica
Okay I read this book 2 years ago, but I didn't find it very well written. For one, she doesn't have proper backing, but all are just case studies which seems like her own opinions. Granted, sociopaths are not easy to spot. Most are too cunning to blend/ meld with the social networks and go undetected.
Personally, I have met 2 I consider sociopaths, but they are harmless, aka, unlikely to murder. They are just socio-sharks out to kill to climb up the ladder. Basically, most people are socis, but the true dysfunctions come from very low self esteem coupled with incessant negativity. Very likely, they had childhood issues and are compensatingfor the lack of love they desired as a youngin.
I think the idea with her case studies, was to show the differing types of sociopathic behaviours out there and yes I agree that they are unlikely to murder, but should the situation arise for whatever reason, they also wouldn't hesitate or feel anything from doing so, they would feel that what they did was within reason. A sociopath justifies everything they do and all their actions because they can do no wrong, in their eyes. It's always someone else that has caused the situation! Ever had an argument with one—?
i also don't believe they have low self esteem at all, in fact to have the confidence and charm to pull the wool over numerous amounts of peoples eyes as loveable, kind, caring, considerate, intelligent human beings, would be a big ask for someone with low self esteem.
I have just started reading the Mary Jo Buttafuoco book, Jo is clearly a Sociopath, and he had the backing of all his friends and family that knew him so well, the only people against him were the people that didn't personally know him. The people that knew him believed all his lies and backed him totally!
Do it!!! Total eye opener and seriously I think there are more out there than we realise....
Feel like such a fool for being so easily convinced and trick....and that's all it is....a game for them!!!! ARSEHOLES!!!!!!!
Feel like such a fool for being so easily convinced and trick....and that's all it is....a game for them!!!! ARSEHOLES!!!!!!!
IS THERE A CLUB?
The Psychopath Checklist
1. Glib, superficial charm: smooth engaging, slick. No shyness, never tongue-tied
2. Inflated view of abilities and self worth: Psychopaths think they are better than others
3. Need for stimulation: Take risks and gets bored easily
4. Pathological lying: Ranges from moderate - sly, crafty - to extreme deception, involving complex webs
5. Manipulation: Exploitative and callously ruthless, without concern for others
6. Remorseless: Unconcerned about losses, pain and suffering they inflict on others
7. Shallow: Limited range and depth of genuine feelings
8. Lack of empathy: Cold, inconsideration, contemptuous, but can act by imitation
9. Parasitic life style : intentional, manipulative and exploitative finical dependence on others
10. Poor control of behaviour: Generally acts hastily, little control over their irritation, anger
11. Promiscuous sexual behaviour: Affairs, simultaneous relationships, bragging, a history of attempts to coerce people into sex
12. Early behaviour problems: problem behaviour under 13 - lying, cheating, vandalism bullying
1. Glib, superficial charm: smooth engaging, slick. No shyness, never tongue-tied
2. Inflated view of abilities and self worth: Psychopaths think they are better than others
3. Need for stimulation: Take risks and gets bored easily
4. Pathological lying: Ranges from moderate - sly, crafty - to extreme deception, involving complex webs
5. Manipulation: Exploitative and callously ruthless, without concern for others
6. Remorseless: Unconcerned about losses, pain and suffering they inflict on others
7. Shallow: Limited range and depth of genuine feelings
8. Lack of empathy: Cold, inconsideration, contemptuous, but can act by imitation
9. Parasitic life style : intentional, manipulative and exploitative finical dependence on others
10. Poor control of behaviour: Generally acts hastily, little control over their irritation, anger
11. Promiscuous sexual behaviour: Affairs, simultaneous relationships, bragging, a history of attempts to coerce people into sex
12. Early behaviour problems: problem behaviour under 13 - lying, cheating, vandalism bullying
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—One in 25 Americans is a Sociopath-no conscience, no guilt. It could be your mean boss who loves to humiliate people in meetings or your crazy ex or your sadistic high school gym teacher—
Eerie stuff
Sociopaths...people with no conscience. Most of us live by our consciences it plays a part in our everyday lives when making decisions, we feel, they don't!
Some common traits to recognize a sociopath:
Unless under the spell of a psychotic delusion, extreme rage, inescapable deprivation, drugs, or a destructive authority figure a person who is —conscience bound?? does not-in the same sense he cannot-kill, rape in cold blood, torture another person, steal someone's life savings, trick someone into a loveless relationship as sport or willfully abandon his own child.
The tools of the trade:
Charm
Spontaneity
Risk takers
Shameless
Sexual seduction and acting skills
Paradoxically, the visible signs of emotion at will can become second nature to the cold blooded-the appearance of intense interest in another person??s problems or enthusiasms, chest thumping patriotism, righteous indignation, blushing modesty, weepy sadness. Crocodile tears at will are a sociopathic trademark.
The most reliable sign, the most universal behavior of unscrupulous people is not directed, as one might imagine, at our fearfulness. It is perversely, an appeal to our sympathy. For people to pity them or feel sorry for them! This is how they maintain control and that is their main focus, gaining and maintaining Control!
So who is the Sociopath in your life?
Highly recommend reading this book.