HOW CAN A CAPRICORN BE A LIBERAL

WHAT HAPPENS TO A CAPRICORN THAT MAKES THEM GO TO THE DARK SIDE. ITS LIKE CHURCHILL SAID IF YOU ARE A CONSERVITIVE AT 21 YOU HAVE NO HEART. BUT IF YOUR A LIBERAL AT 31 YOU HAVE NO MIND. SO I CAN UNDERSTAND A YOUNG CAP BEING A LIB BUT ONCE THEY AGE HOW CAN THEY NOT SEE THAT THEY ARE HEADING DOWN THE ROAD OF NO RETURN?

Maybe it has to do with how they were raised—

the differance between libs and consv
the libs sign checks on the back
the conservitives sign on the front

how is it common sense to live off the work of others. Over here we have a lot of people on the dol. they take and don't give back I am not saying all libs are like that but here that is a big selling point to get elected vote me in and get a free ride.

I THINK I WILL RUN HERE A TURNIP IN EVERY POT A SHEEP IN EVERY BED MOST OF THE LIBS I KNOW WOULD VOTE FOR THAT.

I'm a conservative. However, when I was really young, I considered myself a liberal. Things changed with age, maturity and income levels.

I realized I was more republican in a government class my junior year in college (just took me a while to fully change over). Each wall had a chalk board. On the first day of class, the professor had listed out a stance if issues (guns, abortion, taxes, etc) on each board. Had us tick mark which one we had more aggreements with. Then he told us which board were dem/rep. I was surprised to align with the rep party on my thoughts/opinions. I was a journalism major - considered myself a dem. (most media people are dems).

My dad was a democrat until he started his own business. His opinions changed pretty quick.

HUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
SHE IS QUITE BRITE.

Posted by james tate
the differance between libs and consv
the libs sign checks on the back
the conservitives sign on the front

how is it common sense to live off the work of others. Over here we have a lot of people on the dol. they take and don't give back I am not saying all libs are like that but here that is a big selling point to get elected vote me in and get a free ride.

So NOT true! The way I see it, in rather simplistic terms, is that Republicans, in general, are focused on themselves and what is good solely for them - fuck everyone else. Democrats are more for the good of all and want equal opportunity so that everyone has a chance to succeed.

Corresponding to my perspective is that numerous "studies point toward conservatives?? tendency to avoid something called self-harm, while liberals avoid collective group harm."

There is also some research out there which suggests that conservatives and liberals actually have different brains. What they found was that "Democrats had larger anterior cingulate cortexes, which are associated with tolerance to uncertainty, while Republicans had larger right amygdalas, which are associated with sensitivity to fear."

Some other related tid bits from various studies:

"Conservatives spend more time looking at unpleasant images, and liberals spend more time looking at pleasant images." (this would explain what I view conservatives as focusing more-so on the evils in the world than liberals)

"Reliance on quick, efficient, and "low effort" thought processes yields conservative ideologies, while effortful and deliberate reasoning yields liberal ideologies." (which brings us to the question as to why a Cap would NOT be a liberal?)

"Conservatives react more strongly than liberals to disgusting images, such as a picture of someone eating worms." Similarly, from another study, "Conservatives tend to have a stronger reaction to threatening noises and images than liberals." (can we say weak?)

"Republicans are more likely than Democrats to interpret faces as threatening and expressing dominant emotions, while Democrats [recognize] greater emotional distress and lower life satisfaction." (this explains my perspective that conservatives see people as bad until proven otherwise, and libs perceive people as good until proven otherwise - by the same token, liberals are more trusting of others than conservatives)

"Liberals follow the direction of eye movements better than conservatives." (more aware of others? This would correspond with my view that republicans are more focused on themselves)

"Compared to liberals, conservatives are less open to new experiences and learn better from negative stimuli than positive stimuli." (closed minded!) YUP "Liberals are more open-minded and creative whereas conservatives are more orderly and better organized." (my interpretation: rigid!) In fact, there is a book out the Republican Brain "which purports to show that conservatives are, literally by nature, more closed-minded and resistant to change and facts."

"When faced with a conflict, liberals are more likely than conservatives to alter their habitual response when cues indicate it is necessary." (conversely, this means that conservatives are likely to make the same mistakes over and over again - even the mistakes of their predecessors)

Then again, there is the nature vs. nurture argument as well...

Posted by seraph
Unless you can successfully paint "Liberalism" and "Conservatism" as broadly as possible (which might dilute the definitions anyway), the definitions change (or rather, they aren't the same) from region to region.

Conservatism in Canada, for example, is quite different from Conservatism in the US. Our Conservatives often resemble the US Democrats a great deal more than the US Republican Party. There is no such thing as the "far right" up here. Also, it depends on the political infrastructure. Brokerage Politics, for example, will change the priorities of Conservatives functioning in that system.

British Conservatism isn't the same as American Conservatism, and even American Conservatism has changed in fundamental ways from what it was 40-50 years ago.

Moreover, are we talking about Social Conservatives or Fiscal Conservatives? How far right or how close to the centre?

For instance, the Conservatives in the US who lean farthest to the right seem mentally ill, while the Conservatives in Canada just seem unduly uptight, though socially quite Liberal.

You make a good point, the terms conservative and liberal are not static and do indeed exist on a continuum. However, despite differences in definition throughout the world and perceptions of how off the deepend one is in their thinking (e.g., far right wing), from an ideological perspective I would argue that the basic tenets of conservative and liberal thinking are not all that different.

I'll try to come back to this and address social conservatives vs fiscal conservatives - I have to go for now.

THE BOTTOM LINE FROM TATE

WORLD WIDE
CONSERVATIVES REPUBLICANS

DEMOCRSTS LIBERALS

NITHER GIVES A BIG RATS ASS ABOUT ANY OF YOU ARE ME
THEY ARE ALL OUT TO LINE THERE OWN POCKETS
CAN YOU NAME ONE AMERCAIN OR ENGLISH POLITICAN WHO ISN'T RICH AFTER 5 YEARS IN OFFICE?
IN AMERICA THEY PASS LAWS THAT THE PEOPLE MUST OBAY BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO AND YES THE SAME BASIC THINGS ARE DONE HERE.

I DO TRY TO PISS BOTH SIDES OF AND I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS I POST THIS MORNING DID THAT. MAYBE I SHOULD NOT HAVE CALLED 11 A MORON BUT HE OR SHE WAS REAILY TRYING HARD TO BE WAY ONE SIDED. WHEN I WAS IN THE STATES YOUR RADIO GUY CAN'T THINK OF HIS NAME HE LIVES IN FLORIDA, HE IS WAY OFF THE RIGHT SIDE I WOULD TELL PEOPLE HE WOULD BE A LIBERAL IN WALES.

ANY WAY NO MATTER WHO YOU PEOPLE ELECT YOU WILL JUST LIKE US LOOSE.

ONE OTHER THING I DO THINK LIBERAL WOMEN ARE LOOSER THAN CONSERVATIVE WOMEN ANY WAY THEY PUT OUT MORE FOR ME

LOV TATE

Im not that deep into it all. I vote for whoever has a solid plan and a heart. Its extremely easy to not gaf about the next person, and I think we need less of that mentality.

My mother was a single parent that recieved no govt assistance and no child support, and NOT because she didnt need it either. She worked where she had to so we could survive and she didnt look for handouts on her journey.

More recently over the years she landed a job that paid a decent salary, but with commission and since she is good in sales she started making big money.

Ill put it like this, within the last four yrs she's paid a bit over 100k in taxes, with NO real complaints. The govt never helped her, so its not as if shes paying it back in anyway. Lovely thing is, she'd stll help people in need, whether hungry, if they needed shoes/clothes, cash etc. Thats how WE were raised.

So ive watched someone dish it out big in taxes and not complain. A free ride to.where exactly is my question? The destination more than likely will not be the same so who the h&ll cares about having to contribute in some way. I dont get it.

Posted by WoundedLeo

Lildol, your quotes regarding cortical differences between liberals and conservatives are very interesting. Do you have an article link to share?

This overview will give you the main idea: http://www.psmag.com/politics/red-states-blue-states-gray-matter-44331/<BR>
This is the original journal article (http://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1162/jocn_a_00239), but it may not be accessible to you, which is why I posted the first link.

lildol and 11 are commies
woundedleo is a spelling nazie ( note the spelling of nazi)

The rest of you are socialist.
I am going down the road to the white hourse pub and find a liberal woman for the night they are loose you know.

Of course, differences in ideologies may just boil down to intelligence... 😉

http://www.asanet.org/images/journals/docs/pdf/spq/Mar10SPQFeature.pdf

a couple of other thoughts
All I have to say about the debate was written a long time ago. If a wise man has an argument with a fool , the fool only rages and laughs and there is no resolution.

It also came out that Romney gave 4 million to charity
biden gave $ 5,500 this proves the axiom that liberals are quite generous - with someone elses money.

REASONS I THINK SOME OF YOU ARE LIBERALS
ELLE SHE WANTS TO WRAP HER LIPS AROUND OBAMAS WANGER AND PERHAPS TAKE THE HOPE AND CHANGE RIDE
LOLDOL SHE SAID IT NOT ME. SHE IS IN THE ABYSS OF CONFUSION ( THERE MAY BE HOPE FOR HER)

ALSO C/W I WOULD WORRY ABOUT GOING OUT WITH LOLDOL SHE MAY BRAND YOU.
AND I HAVE GIVEN UP ON GETTING IN THE SACK WITH CAPGRIL 69 IF I FALL ASLEEP WITH HER PISSED COULD WAKE UP WITH NO WANGER.
I HEARD HER HERO IS THAT BOBBIT GAL FROM A FEW YEARS BACK. THATS RIGHT WE KEEP UP ON THESE THINGS.

YOU KNOW WHAT TURNS ME AROUND FASTER THAN ANYTHING A PAIR OF TITS PUSHING ON MY BACK.
I WOULD PROBULY GET IN WITH YOU EVEN IF IT PUT MY WANGER AT RISK.

got to go i have to give them time to beat me up. Talk later lov.

ANOTHER QUESTION BEFORE I GO
THIS IS TO ALL YOU LIBERALS
HOW IS IT YOUR POLITICIANS TALK ABOUT THE GREED OF THE RICH AT A $ 35,000 A PLATE DINNER?
YOU COMPLANE THAT THE GOVERMENT DISCRIMINATES AGAINST BLACKS WHEN YOU HAVE A BLACK PRESIDENT, ATTORNEY GENERAL, AND ROUGHLY 18% OF THE FEDERAL WORKFORCE IS BLACK WHILE ONLY 12% OF THE POPULATION IS BLACK?
THE TWO PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR TAX CODE TIMOTHY GEITHNER AND CHARLES RANGEL OR BOTH TAX CHEATS. BUT ARE IN FAVOR OF HIGHER TAXES.
YOU HAVE TERRORIST KILL PEOPLE IN THE NAME OF ALLAH BUT YOUR MEDIA PLAYS IT DOWN BECAUSE IT MIGHT OFEND MUSLIMS
YOU MAKE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BECOME AMERICAN CITIZENS LEGALLY WAIT FOR YEARS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES AND PAY TENS OF THOUSANDS OF POUNDS FOR THE PRIVILEGE WHILE ANYONE WHO SNEAKS IN CAN PROTEST AND GET ON THE DOL.
YOU THINK OF ANYONE TRYING TO BALANCE THE BUDGET AS EXTREMIST.
YOU NEED A DRIVERS LICENSE TO BY ALCOHOL OR CASH A CHECK BUT NOT TO VOTE
YOU DEMAND THE GOVERNMENT INVESTGATE OIL COMPANYS FOR GOUGING WHEN THE PROFIT IS LESS THAN HALF OF WHAT NIKE MAKES
YOU COLLECT MORE TAX DOLLARS THAN ANY NATION AND COMPLAIN THAT ITS NOT ENOUGH YOUR RICH PAY 86% OF ALL TAXES BUT YOU SAY THEY AREN'T PAYING THERE FAIR SHARE. ACORDING TO THOSE WHO DON'T PAY ANY AT ALL.
SO ANSWER ME THIS OR YOU PEOPLE OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MINDS OR WHAT?

I would like to highlight this from my earlier list of research findings:

"Reliance on quick, efficient, and "low effort" thought processes yields conservative ideologies, while effortful and deliberate reasoning yields liberal ideologies."

Which, as I said, brings us to the question as to why a Cap would NOT be a liberal?

lildol

sorry elle thought you were raging on me nothing personal i got my threads mixed up that is what happens when you talk with a bunch of commies.

ROBY
YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT A THING OR TWO
ONE ME MATES AND I WATCHED THE DEBATES ON SKY THE DAY AFTER AT THE PUB. SOME HAD BEER RUNNING OUT THEIR NOSES THEY LAUGHED SO HARD.
IN ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
THE DOL: PEOLE WHO DO NOT WORK GET ON WELFAIR HERE ITS CALLED THE DOL.THEY COULD WORK BUT DO NOT WANT TO.
ENGLAND IS A SOCIALIST COUNTRY, WALES IS NOT QUITE AS BAD BUT CLOSE. THE ONLY COUNTRY WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE WORTH THEIR SALT (WITH AMERICA GOING DOWN THE SOCIALIST PATH) IS THE ASSUSES.

THIS SITE IS HARD TO WORK WITH WANTED TO PUT MORE IN THE POST BUT IT STOPPED ME.
ANY WAY I WILL GO TO THE RELIGION SITE AND PRAY FOR YOU LIBERALS IT WON'T HELP BUT PERHAPS YOU WILL END UP IN PERGATORY FOR A BIT BEFORE YOU GO TO HELL.

P.S.
I AM REGISTERED TO VOTE IN YOUR ELECTION IN CHICAGO AS A DEM O RAT.
I DID IT BY MAIL I WAS TOLD IF I WANTED TO I COULD VOTE TWICE IF I WOULD TAKE A DEAD PERSONS I.D.

You pray?? To WHAT god??

As for you voting twice, vote wise 😉
(unless you really do want WW 3!)

Lildol I still lov you
I think of you as my little lovely in the house of commons.

Elle glad you arent mad still lov you to I think of you as (Iron Woamn)

you must go to the religion board to find out so there!

Let's just stir up a shit storm, go back to the 1930s and cut all funding to "socialist" programs - welfare, Medicare, disability, college tuition, etc. Stop taking those taxes out of our checks and let everyone be on their own. Get a job, find a way to make money or starve. Sow the fruits of your own labor. Plant a garden for food. Get sick - pay the bill yourself. Get injured - find another type of job. Lose your house - move in with relatives.
I'M JUST KIDDING!!!!! I don't want any flack off of that - it's a joke!

But in reality - I know people drawing disability because of something simple like a foot injury. Well, there ARE desk jobs ya know!!! Have NO idea how they qualified. I know a blind person doing medical transcription and a paraplegic working a desk job. The paraplegic was encouraged by her community/family/friends to draw disability. She was offended - said "I still have a brain". She works. If you're capable you should work. I understand that some people need disability - I'm not saying everyone drawing it doesn't need it.

Welfare recipients should have to "work" to draw welfare - picking litter off the highway, babysitting for those picking up litter, some kind of community service. It shouldn't be a free ride. AND THEY NEED TO BE DRUG TESTED. I have to be, why don't they?

And food stamps should only be used for basic food groups - not candy, cigarettes, etc.

When I was laid off - yes, I drew unemployment for four months. Because of my previous income level, I was allowed to draw the maximum amount. But, here's the sad thought - I was making about $ 10 an hour on unemployment - why should I take a $ 10 an hour job? That's the mentality that is encouraged inadvertently. Thank God I found another job in my field!

All in all, I'm tired of paying taxes to finance those who cheat the system! Not saying every one in these programs does, but there are a lot who do. I do think these programs need to be in place, but they definitely need improvement and need to be policed better.

So, how much flack am I going to get for saying these things? Probably a lot. But, there are a lot of people who think like I do.

Yep, that's what's wrong with this country. They are making it too easy to live off the system.

^^^^Actually, they make it to hard to NOT!

If this were any other board besides the Cap board, I think I would already have been whipped all the way to town and back with my comments.

i am hopeing that all you americans succed in spite of your government
and if you become a socialist state pretend to work and they will pretend to pay you.

^^^I work in academia... same dif "pretend work for pretend pay"

AH LIBERAL ACADEMICS
THEY WASTE MORE TIME BY 8 AM
THAN MOST LIBERALS ALL DAY.

LILDOL
SOME DEBATER YOU TURNED OUT TO BE NO REBUTAL
PERHAPS I CAN TURN YOU INTO A MASTERBATER