Gems: Help with a coworker whose driving me crazy

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First off, I've worked in healthcare for over 20 years. I know my trade. And I have three degrees, two in the sciences and one in teaching.

My coworker is 25, has no degrees, and her only job up until now as been a part time bartender.

Today she asks me for some advil as she's having cramps. I gladly give two to her and instead of saying, "thanks", she starts going on a diatribe
about her brother, who supposedly has a masters in Nutrition, told her advil doesn't actually help cramps. It's all in women's head's that advil (ibuprofen)
works.

I asked her if her brother was a Pharmacist too. She said, "No." Then I explained to her that advil (ibuprofen) is an anti inflammatory, which is what cramps really are: inflammation. This is why advil and other meds in this class reduce pain. She goes on and on about how I'm wrong and then says I'm a bitch.

this is one of MANY little spats we've had simply because she constantly demeans me and my qualifications. I used to just smile and walk away. But this now has gone on for months. Moreover, she is NEVER on time for work and I always cover for her. It's getting old that she can never show up on time.
Because she has zero lack of character, I will never broach this subject with her.

The Dr. I work for is pretty cool and knows she's lazy and completely under qualified for her position. Not sure why he hired her. He also knows my work ethic, relies on my professionalism and trusts me with tasks that he would not trust her with, period. With that said, I don't want to go running to him because he's a guy and a virgo at that. I love my job. She also just got offered a new PT job, which she will cut her days hours here to go to that one.
So I'll be stuck with the work she doesn't get done; which is a lot because she basically is on her phone all day texting.

She's a Cap, and I swear, every Cap I've worked with prior as some control complex. I've bent over backwards for her but no longer.

Any suggestions? Sure I'd like to ignore her but in a small medical office, that's not possible.

Sorry for the vent. I'm sure other Gems can relate to my scenario. We give and give and give and in return, treated like crap. And yes, I have tried to have a "Come to Jesus Meeting) with her. She ridiculed that as well.
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lol @ the Advil bit. I'm sure her brother isn't aware that advil also targets the specific pain receptors that cause cramps/muscle pain, unlike Tylenol/Excedrin (I always lol at their claims to help with back pain/headaches), which makes it most ideal for that type of pain.

I gotta love it when guys think that they can dictate how PMS/cramps work when they have no idea. All in a woman's head? Here, let me kick you in the nuts and then tell you that the pain is all in your head. She's an idiot for believing him too. Wtf does an RD have anything to do with pain management? ...is he even an RD or just has a masters??

You should really address the issue with the doc- she's creating a hostile work environment, she's not doing required tasks, and he's basically paying TWICE to get work done that you really do. He could easily save himself some money by not paying twice to have the same tasks done. Virgos understand money talk. Give it a shot and see what happens. It seems silly to keep someone on who barely works as it is and now will barely be there enough to make a difference. Seems like a major slow down in productivity.


And eff that bitch. How does she get a job in healthcare with zero experience? It kinda pisses me off because I had been trying for a year and a half to get some sort of entry level job to get more experience for grad school requirements and no dice. I don't have a ton of experience myself, but I have way more than some bitch who only has worked at a bar. ...and she gets hired?? *headdesk*
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We give and give and give and in return, treated like crap.



+1

So she asked for advil and then went on claiming it doesn't work? Why did she ask for it in the first place?
I'd say do the Gem thing and be nice to her in her face and vent it all out to someone else. 😉

Dafuq's a come to Jebus meeting? Are you religious? Cause if you are you shouldn't be working in healthcare IMHO. Cause those people praise god for the recovery of a patient instead of the doctors, the nurses or the drugs that made the recovery possible... Not something I can appreciate. 😉 (still you're free to do whatever the fuck you want 😉 )
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"come to Jesus" meeting means we and a serious talk and got everything out in the open. doesn't mean you are doing anything religious. just one of those sayings we use here in the US. everyone here knows what it means.

Don't understand your comment about if I'm religious, I shouldn't work in healthcare. I am somewhat religious and practice my faith. However, in the work place I live my faith through my actions of caring for everyone. That's who and what I am. Do you think the only ones who should work in healthcare should be atheists?

FTR, there are many drugs and vaccines that make people more sick and die. This entire Ebola scare is a perfect example. the only scare is the CDC and the government who are completely lying about the threat and the actual cases in the US. There is so much evidence of this being a hoax, I could share videos and articles, but I don't have time right now.

back to OP, yes, we gems give and give. probably another reason why i was born to work helping patients.
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Any suggestions? Sure I'd like to ignore her but in a small medical office, that's not possible.

Sorry for the vent. I'm sure other Gems can relate to my scenario. We give and give and give and in return, treated like crap. And yes, I have tried to have a "Come to Jesus Meeting) with her. She ridiculed that as well.



Interesting.

My mom (Sag) had a similar problem, year before last, working in a cardiothoracic/vascular practice.

She's an RN with over 40 years of experience, including utilization rev/case mgmt, etc.

There was a twenty-something MA there, who sounds A LOT like the girl you're describing, above...

even saying (yelling) to the director 'She thinks she's better than me because she's an RN!'

Really. 😐

One of the biggest problems, as I saw it, was that the "boss" didn't have any medical qualifications--

she was strictly financial/business oriented, and the two RN's who worked there weren't given due

respect for their qualifications.

However, this woman also played favorites and had a habit of hiring family, her daughter's friends, etc.

It was ridiculous.

I know you can't ignore her, but you've mentioned that your boss is fully aware of her shortcomings.

THAT speaks volumes.

Forget the pissing contest (your medical knowledge trumps hers... it's a given)-- you're entitled to laugh

and send her off with a condescending pat to the (empty) head, because it's COMICAL.

When it begins to interfere with actual work/protocol... document everything.

You probably won't, but it's your best defense if you ever need to recall past events or offenses...

And you will.


I really hope you find a resolution to this, or better... that she quits. 😄







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yes, CYA.....document....

been there, done that. the virgo boss doesn't want to hear about petty issues. however, when it starts effecting work, he'll listen. i'm waiting for the right time to discuss. we are moving our office to another location in two weeks, so going to just be on my game until then. praying he starts looking at more qualified candidates because our office patent load is growing and we need staff who can develop with us. praying she loves her new PT job and goes FT.

btw, I am a MA. Actually, a CMA. And yes, I've worked with RN's most of my career. Some awesome to work with, others not. As a CMA, sometimes its hard to work with RN's because they often dismiss your medical prowess and knowledge. Now I have all the respect in the world for someone who earns a degree in whatever. I have three degrees, two in the medical profession. One in teaching. Plus 20+ years experience, including teaching college students how to draw blood, give injections and cell biology and A&P. I've run circles around some nurses in terms of phlebotomy technic, EKG's and rapid screens. OTOH, I respect the RN's I have worked with who are great with other aspects more akin to their training. I think both RN's and MA's bring their own unique talents and perspective. The best RN's I have worked with have treated me with respect and appreciate my work prowess etc. That goes a long way when you can respect your co workers. Probably why my current is such a pain.

When it comes to two people with similar knowledge, it's a wash. When it comes to the same people but one has tons more experience, obviously the edge goes to that person. When it comes to someone having more knowledge, more experience and a proven work ethic history vs. someone who has zero experience, no degree and a crappy work ethic, well that's exactly what i'm up against. Oh Joy.

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We give and give and give and in return, treated like crap.



+1

So she asked for advil and then went on claiming it doesn't work? Why did she ask for it in the first place?
I'd say do the Gem thing and be nice to her in her face and vent it all out to someone else. 😉

Dafuq's a come to Jebus meeting? Are you religious? Cause if you are you shouldn't be working in healthcare IMHO. Cause those people praise god for the recovery of a patient instead of the doctors, the nurses or the drugs that made the recovery possible... Not something I can appreciate. 😉 (still you're free to do whatever the fuck you want 😉 )



"come to Jesus" meeting means we and a serious talk and got everything out in the open. doesn't mean you are doing anything religious. just one of those sayings we use here in the US. everyone here knows what it means.
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False. I had never heard of this until this post. AND I lived in the bible belt for a decade.
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Posted by gemini64
btw, I am a MA. Actually, a CMA. And yes, I've worked with RN's most of my career. Some awesome to work with, others not. As a CMA, sometimes its hard to work with RN's because they often dismiss your medical prowess and knowledge. Now I have all the respect in the world for someone who earns a degree in whatever. I have three degrees, two in the medical profession. One in teaching. Plus 20+ years experience, including teaching college students how to draw blood, give injections and cell biology and A&P. I've run circles around some nurses in terms of phlebotomy technic, EKG's and rapid screens. OTOH, I respect the RN's I have worked with who are great with other aspects more akin to their training. I think both RN's and MA's bring their own unique talents and perspective. The best RN's I have worked with have treated me with respect and appreciate my work prowess etc. That goes a long way when you can respect your co workers. Probably why my current is such a pain.

When it comes to two people with similar knowledge, it's a wash. When it comes to the same people but one has tons more experience, obviously the edge goes to that person. When it comes to someone having more knowledge, more experience and a proven work ethic history vs. someone who has zero experience, no degree and a crappy work ethic, well that's exactly what i'm up against. Oh Joy.



Soo... she is also an MA?

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So she asked for advil and then went on claiming it doesn't work? Why did she ask for it in the first place?
I'd say do the Gem thing and be nice to her in her face and vent it all out to someone else. 😉

Dafuq's a come to Jebus meeting? Are you religious? Cause if you are you shouldn't be working in healthcare IMHO. Cause those people praise god for the recovery of a patient instead of the doctors, the nurses or the drugs that made the recovery possible... Not something I can appreciate. 😉 (still you're free to do whatever the fuck you want 😉 )



"come to Jesus" meeting means we and a serious talk and got everything out in the open. doesn't mean you are doing anything religious. just one of those sayings we use here in the US. everyone here knows what it means.



False. I had never heard of this until this post. AND I lived in the bible belt for a decade.



what's false? the saying? i'm 50 and have lived in the bible belt during earning my BSE, worked in Florida, grew up and currently live in the Midwest and have lived on both coasts and most people i know are aware what a "come to Jesus meeting" is. Maybe you're a lot younger and have never heard it. but in my age group, trust me, it's common. I've even heard it used the other day on a sports show (ESPN) talking about Jamais Winston and all his issues needing a "come to Jesus" meeting with the coaches etc. so it's even in mainstream media.
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btw, I am a MA. Actually, a CMA. And yes, I've worked with RN's most of my career. Some awesome to work with, others not. As a CMA, sometimes its hard to work with RN's because they often dismiss your medical prowess and knowledge. Now I have all the respect in the world for someone who earns a degree in whatever. I have three degrees, two in the medical profession. One in teaching. Plus 20+ years experience, including teaching college students how to draw blood, give injections and cell biology and A&P. I've run circles around some nurses in terms of phlebotomy technic, EKG's and rapid screens. OTOH, I respect the RN's I have worked with who are great with other aspects more akin to their training. I think both RN's and MA's bring their own unique talents and perspective. The best RN's I have worked with have treated me with respect and appreciate my work prowess etc. That goes a long way when you can respect your co workers. Probably why my current is such a pain.

When it comes to two people with similar knowledge, it's a wash. When it comes to the same people but one has tons more experience, obviously the edge goes to that person. When it comes to someone having more knowledge, more experience and a proven work ethic history vs. someone who has zero experience, no degree and a crappy work ethic, well that's exactly what i'm up against. Oh Joy.



Soo... she is also an MA?

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Nope. she's basically nothing but a PT bartender. no degrees, no experience, no brain cells.
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Wtf is wrong with your boss then that he's ALLOWING this shit to happen?



He's really a good guy. most of this crap occurs when he's not in the office. and when he is, his office is not close to where our work stations are. so he can't see everything all the time. i have spoken to him a little without sounding like a whiney 5 year old. i think he get it's to a point. but again, he's a guy. men hate patty crap between women. that's why i'm trying to cut it off now before it gets ugly. my patients is wearing thin.
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You have the patience of a saint. I probably would have had much more than a serious talk with her by now. I probably would have pushed back HARD. She has zero right to treat anyone that way, much less someone for whom she should have respect for being more experienced.

P.S. I was born and raised in The Bible Belt and understood the phrase. It's not used much anymore.

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You have the patience of a saint. I probably would have had much more than a serious talk with her by now. I probably would have pushed back HARD. She has zero right to treat anyone that way, much less someone for whom she should have respect for being more experienced.

P.S. I was born and raised in The Bible Belt and understood the phrase. It's not used much anymore.



I was gonna say, if I lived there and never heard of it, then it clearly isn't used much. It totally sounds like a bible belt/south thing haha.

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Wtf is wrong with your boss then that he's ALLOWING this shit to happen?



He's really a good guy. most of this crap occurs when he's not in the office. and when he is, his office is not close to where our work stations are. so he can't see everything all the time. i have spoken to him a little without sounding like a whiney 5 year old. i think he get it's to a point. but again, he's a guy. men hate patty crap between women. that's why i'm trying to cut it off now before it gets ugly. my patients is wearing thin.
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Guys can be really dumb about this stuff because they just don't get sucked into drama as easily sometimes. They don't really see how it can be an issue long term because of this.

Also, curious, exactly what degrees do you have?
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btw, I am a MA. Actually, a CMA. And yes, I've worked with RN's most of my career. Some awesome to work with, others not. As a CMA, sometimes its hard to work with RN's because they often dismiss your medical prowess and knowledge. Now I have all the respect in the world for someone who earns a degree in whatever. I have three degrees, two in the medical profession. One in teaching. Plus 20+ years experience, including teaching college students how to draw blood, give injections and cell biology and A&P. I've run circles around some nurses in terms of phlebotomy technic, EKG's and rapid screens. OTOH, I respect the RN's I have worked with who are great with other aspects more akin to their training. I think both RN's and MA's bring their own unique talents and perspective. The best RN's I have worked with have treated me with respect and appreciate my work prowess etc. That goes a long way whIen you can respect your co workers. Probably why my current is such a pain.

When it comes to two people with similar knowledge, it's a wash. When it comes to the same people but one has tons more experience, obviously the edge goes to that person. When it comes to someone having more knowledge, more experience and a proven work ethic history vs. someone who has zero experience, no degree and a crappy work ethic, well that's exactly what i'm up against. Oh Joy.



Soo... she is also an MA?



Nope. she's basically nothing but a PT bartender. no degrees, no experience,

no brain cells.
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Then why does her opinion bother you so much?

Unless it's going to actually affect you, professionally (it won't)?

Reprimand her, or ask for a formal censure from the boss for calling you

a bitch in front of your co-workers/within patients earshot.

She's pushing your buttons quite successfully, but you have to meet it

with professionalism or you're sunk.
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oh i meet it with professionalism every day. i'm the one who is always on time for work. in fact, i'm early every day and she's late every day. my boss is aware of this. i have a work ethic, always have. she doesn't.

i think this week really got to me because i've and a lot of stress at home. when i go to work, i don't expect someone to push my buttons. i expect them to do their work. i don't go to work to make friends. found out a long time ago that is not a good idea.

although my boss doesn't know everything about her, he knows enough. we are moving to a new location and our practice is growing. i think he regrets hiring her but right now doesn't want to rock the boat. she just got another job that is PT but it will require her to work at our office until 3:30 pm then head to her other job until 10pm, and during entire weekends. I'm hoping she loves her new job more and can't take the hours working both jobs and quits. I would almost bet my boss is hoping the same. that's why he gave her a good reference.

i just want a coworker who is professional, experienced in our field and can do her job efficiently. I think most people who bring a work ethic each day to their job want the same from their coworkers. Plus, having people around you who are good people and team oriented are much more enjoyable. life is too short to be stressed out 24/7.
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What, is he afraid that she's going to file a wrongful termination suit if he fires her?

i just want a coworker who is professional, experienced in our field and can do her job efficiently. I think most people who bring a work ethic each day to their job want the same from their coworkers. Plus, having people around you who are good people and team oriented are much more enjoyable. life is too short to be stressed out 24/7.



*raises hand*
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Posted by gemini64

The Dr. I work for is pretty cool and knows she's lazy and completely under qualified for her position. Not sure why he hired her. He also knows my work ethic, relies on my professionalism and trusts me with tasks that he would not trust her with, period.







You've been in dxp running your mouth about this Virgo you work for for over 4 years. Most of the time, you are asking about how to get him.

Other times, when you aren't talking about him, you are talking about other people.

The proof is in the pudding ... the pudding being that (according to you) the boss is aware of her, and is aware she isn't qualified .... yet .... she is still there.

The reason why she is still there is because he believes in her. A Virgo wouldn't keep a person who isn't qualified for the job.

So, that means, you are the one full of shit and running your mouth, in saying bullshit things about your co-workers.

Since, by his actions, you are proven wrong ... the rest of the quote is also likely bullshit, and just you stroking your own ego when you say, "trusts me with tasks that he would not trust her with, period" ..... because you don't know what/who he trusts.

this is just you running your mouth again ... this time, you're dissing a co-worker




All of this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ is the reason why you've been complaining for over 4 years on here as to why the Virgo doesn't take you seriously.
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Once again your wrong P bitter old woman.

the Virgo i spoke of at work is NOT the other Virgos i've spoken about. Who the hell are you to question whom I'm speaking about in the first place?
You don't know me. You don't know squat.

FTR, I've only known my boss, in which this post is about, since June when I started my new job with his practice.

Two other virgo's I've discussed were first a life long mentor and the other was someone I went out with for a while but couldn't get past the friend zone.

You are something else. You sit on this board and spout your utter crap because you for some reason believe you are the queen of all things DXP.
I pity you. If you are so desperate you have to point out how long I've been on a board (and only post on occasion), then you clearly have no life.

And furthermore, you don't know my scenarios from shit. How would you know if my boss trusts me or not? You can't even describe my work or my responsibilities. You certainly don't know my coworker. I have no control who is hired. That's not my job. Since you don't know me, my boss or my coworker, then what you imply is pure conjuncture based on what's in that delusional, warped, bitter brain of yours.

I've worked for over 20 years in my line of work. I hold 3 degrees. There is a reason why I've been successful throughout my career. I have a work ethic and am damn good at what I do.

Seriously, get a fricking life already. I go to work every day. You, OTOH, come here to canvass the board to see whose next in line to berate.
You have a pathetic existence. Is it any wonder MOST people on this board LOATH you?

And again, I asked GEMINI's to respond. You are a slimy old fish. Perhaps instead of spending so much of your energy on being bitter and posting utter BS, you should take a course on reading comprehension; not to mention, your recent obsession with me is creeping me out.
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Toker,

NO, not a water moon. My moon is Leo.

secondly, you don't know the background of P apparently. She is a mod on this board and constantly goes after posters berating them with pure conjuncture and going on and on about how she knows everything about everyone. It's beyond pathetic. She has no life. I work M-F. She lives on this board spewing her garbage.

Yea, I get pissed when someone tells me I'm full of shit when she has ZERO clue what's she's talking about. She has nothing better to do with her life apparently. Anyone who goes on EVERY sign's board and posts her crap is a worthless POS.

Sure I can ignore, and I do in most cases. This time around, she needed to be brought down to earth. Anyone who has her delusional ego and her bitter tongue needs to be called out every now and then.
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You have the patience of a saint. I probably would have had much more than a serious talk with her by now. I probably would have pushed back HARD. She has zero right to treat anyone that way, much less someone for whom she should have respect for being more experienced.

P.S. I was born and raised in The Bible Belt and understood the phrase. It's not used much anymore.



I was gonna say, if I lived there and never heard of it, then it clearly isn't used much. It totally sounds like a bible belt/south thing haha.

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Wtf is wrong with your boss then that he's ALLOWING this shit to happen?



He's really a good guy. most of this crap occurs when he's not in the office. and when he is, his office is not close to where our work stations are. so he can't see everything all the time. i have spoken to him a little without sounding like a whiney 5 year old. i think he get it's to a point. but again, he's a guy. men hate patty crap between women. that's why i'm trying to cut it off now before it gets ugly. my patients is wearing thin.



Guys can be really dumb about this stuff because they just don't get sucked into drama as easily sometimes. They don't really see how it can be an issue long term because of this.

Also, curious, exactly what degrees do you have?
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Sorry rocky road, didn't see this question.

I hold a BSE in Secondary Education/Biology and Exercise Physiology. I hold a degree in Physical Therapy and a diploma (don't give degrees for this), Medical Assisting. I have been certified as a MA for over 20 years.

I really wanted to teach when I came out of school, but the HS jobs were limited. So I redirected my energy to the health field and love it, despite the politics of course. Did some PT for while, but too much competition and lawsuits. Really love the variety that I have in the capacity of being a MA.
Also with my education, I make a better salary. And it's one of those jobs that's always in need, much as nursing is.
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Once again your wrong P bitter old woman.

the Virgo i spoke of at work is NOT the other Virgos i've spoken about. Who the hell are you to question whom I'm speaking about in the first place?
You don't know me. You don't know squat.

FTR, I've only known my boss, in which this post is about, since June when I started my new job with his practice.

Two other virgo's I've discussed were first a life long mentor and the other was someone I went out with for a while but couldn't get past the friend zone.

You are something else. You sit on this board and spout your utter crap because you for some reason believe you are the queen of all things DXP.
I pity you. If you are so desperate you have to point out how long I've been on a board (and only post on occasion), then you clearly have no life.

And furthermore, you don't know my scenarios from shit. How would you know if my boss trusts me or not? You can't even describe my work or my responsibilities. You certainly don't know my coworker. I have no control who is hired. That's not my job. Since you don't know me, my boss or my coworker, then what you imply is pure conjuncture based on what's in that delusional, warped, bitter brain of yours.

I've worked for over 20 years in my line of work. I hold 3 degrees. There is a reason why I've been successful throughout my career. I have a work ethic and am damn good at what I do.

Seriously, get a fricking life already. I go to work every day. You, OTOH, come here to canvass the board to see whose next in line to berate.
You have a pathetic existence. Is it any wonder MOST people on this board LOATH you?

And again, I asked GEMINI's to respond. You are a slimy old fish. Perhaps instead of spending so much of your energy on being bitter and posting utter BS, you should take a course on reading comprehension; not to mention, your recent obsession with me is creeping me out.



Damn.
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Well.....I actually agree with P. Your boss knows a whole lot more going on that you give him credit for. He's an MD. Means he's a pretty smart and observant cookie.

I advise you to keep it to yourself in the office and not to go complaining to the boss. You're going to label yourself a gossip and a trouble maker, untrustworthy and unprofessional.

She's a capricorn. Don't mess with a capricorn in the work place. Career wise, she's going to come out smelling like a rose. Believe me, she has a paper trail and her ducks in a row. All those times she was late, well, maybe she had permission or changed her schedule to accomodate her issues and you just don't know about it.

Anyway, be patient. She's on a career path. Perhaps this part time job will lead to to full time and she'll quit for greener pastures. Leaving you will the whole shebang and you can have the power and control you're so desiring.