if a gem says....

I want you but you need me...? need vs want sounds like more jedi mind tricks..but it is making me go mmmh!

i would have to agree. it certainly sounds like that. translation: 'i don't need you but you don't want me'.

miss lisa..still confused?

i think the statement really says, "i want you, but i don't need you. you need me, but i feel you don't want me." it's kind of a play on words. for some reason he thinks you NEED him, but he's trying to tell you that he don't particularly NEED you. he just wants you. otherwise, he would have said, "i want you, and you want me", or "i need you, and you need me". seems like he's trying to say, in a nice way, that he doesn't feel the same as you do.

so, i agree with you on thinking it's a jedi mind trick, cuz that's what i would mean if i were to say that.

I think it is what he saying. He wants you = "choice". You need him "he wants you to need him". He can't naturally know what your thinking, so he sounds like he went out on a limb and told you what he wants you to feel since i'm sure that isn't how you feel about him.

Alot of men just want to know we need them, especially if you're a "Miss Indendant" type chick that doesn't everything for her self and doesn't "Need" a man.

It is a mind game, but it's more of him wishing you needed him. And trying to get you to start beleiving that there's no one else, he is the one... blah blah blah. Then he can really start with the mind games if you start to believe that. Which, just from the little bit i have seen you post, i don't think you are the chick to start believing he is the only one that can make you happy. Don't fall for it ma!

good point, BaBy-GrL. i was thinking of why i would say it, rather than if the gem men i know were to say it.

Baby Grrl is..I think you hit the nail on the head..? Cause I am verrrry Independent emotionally, financially, and sometimes physically...and he knows it! the only thing
I need is to be nurtured and that is the one thing that he does not know how to do..proof positive I went to CA last Thursday and its Monday and he has not tried to call or make a point of contact..at this point I cant possibly see why he would call and what he would say that would make me take him seriously? five days....and no contact===I would rather be alone than to be in a distant relationship...I will give him till friday..If I don't hear from him..then I will text him to mail what I left at his house. BTW (Inadvertently) If he does not send then life goes on---If he does call then I will meet up with him under the premises of a date and then I will get what belongs to me--just so he can oogle! You know us scorps we have to get the last word? boo ya! I don't like games but if you dish it you better be able to take it, but I'm sure he has moved on anyway! Hasta La Vista Baby!

The thing is I really did like him...Oh! well

Ya my bull taught me this. I was so hard on my "miss independant" that i neglected the fact he was a man and likes to take care of his woman. Yes he liked "Miss Independant" but us women that are like that, we sometimes take it too far, and forget that, by doing so to that degree, we minimize the men in our life and make them feel less than a MAN. I don't know if i make sense, i do in my head lmao

So it started with little things, and due to medical stuff i need him now more than ever. And it feels good to need him actually, life is just easier him handling things and me not having to stress and worry about EVERYTHING. but truth be told, not all men want that responsibility. But in the end, that's what i NEEDED. Was hard to get used to.

I always took needing a man as a weakness. but when you need a man for the man he is, that's not weakness, that's working together as a team and sharing responsibilities.

If i were single again, i know i would stick fast to the Miss Independant - that seems to weed out the weak minded men. lol


Trobin - i'm sure he really was a great guy, but he was a stepping stone. He narrowed down a little more what you were looking for. Eventually you will find that "worthy" one. He was showing you more of what you need and want in a man. That's how i looked at dating. But i know i have a more detached outlook.

Please excuse the babbling.. I CAN'T HELP IT!

Thanks Baby grrl ..your statement is so true---It is a weeding out process,,and it feels good that I am mature enough to understand that I am narrowing it down! Prior situations I would have been upset, but not this time!! On my way to an Art Show...!

Castor..I appreciate ur feedback...but truth is u need to read my previous threads...yes I have been clingy, and needy and demanding, but not with this guy..at all! I am at my prime right now, and quite frankly he is one of many suitors...I happen to like something about him!!! My expressing concerns is because he came on strong..marriage, living together, and kids...but I am not an egomaniac to think he meant with me----I was confused about his mixed messages---words..saying one thing and actions saying another— No contact for seven days??

I am not pushy, or needy...I do not call or text--he has done all the pursuing...But I am feeling a little silly..cause he is so not worth all this energy! I lost the spark--too many time outs..early on--just want my stuff back or not! I just don't want to ask ...cause it sounds needy ...if that makes sense?? I want something newer and more exciting in my life...and it aint this insecure gem! LMAO!!

Caster

I have been dating a gem for two years I never was clingy needy, never asked for a commitment.

He has all the freedom he wants and so do I. He can't fix his mouth to tell me what I can't do, I go out travel carte blanche. He trust me and to be honest I have no intentions of wanting to be in a relationship ant time soon. Actually he is lucky I am still his friend. Not to mention neither one of us are ready for a comment. We both have to much going on that we go a week without seeing each other but like he told me the other day "I have to stay in contact with you". And he does.

He answers every email txt, he returns calls right back. And I know that he loves me but is not ready and I am not ready.

Gems and scorpio really needs to understand each other

Scorps ask questions because they are trying to get to now you as well.

You are right gems are flighty, moody they like their freedom, but at the same time a scorpio like me likes my space and alone time as well.

I really think its all about the maturity level of a scorp and a gem which will help as well.

Scorpio Lady..I could not have said better myself....Not all scorps are clingy or needy...I love my space!!! Which is why I was attracted to him from the start?

Posted by emeraldgem
2 threads asking for "translations" - LOL! I say we need to make a Gemini Dictionary so people can understand us.

emeraldgem I agree 🙂.... It's an art to understanding the gemini mind.

Posted by castorandpollux
I haven't read your previous threads. If you can point them to me, I'll have a look and let you know if you like.

If it's not the Scorpion intensity or possessiveness/controlling, then he could well be just a bad apple. Because I have to say, Scorpios for Gemini are very attractive and very alluring off the bat, so I can't imagine him having gotten bored this quickly and on his way.



Who's going to write our dictionary?? Could you imagine a bunch of Gems trying to write one?! LOL 100 years in the making hahaha

I think he is over analyzing and that is what causing his detachment.

You are right they don't really get bored with us because we are such a mystery to the gem man. But I stand firm on the fact that a gem man n a scorp women really need to understand each other and give one another the freedom to be who they are and have trust and both have to work together.and they both should have evolved

castro..i wld have to agree with the bad apple syndrome...I have not been pushy..i just think its only fair to want my things so we can move on---i am going to ask politely for my things..and see where it goes?

Since I don't take peoples advice to much I am going to overlook your comment and continue doing me.

Call it what you want I am who I am.

Scorpionlady, That's your prerogative. But you won't go anywhere more than the surface with a Gemini. We're all about COMPROMISE, open communication, and understanding. If you don't take others' advice, I would suggest you not waste your time with a Gem because it will not go anywhere. It's in our nature to examine and at least attempt to understand every issue from all sides and we will never open up to someone who sees things only from one perspective: namely, her own.


I am sorry did I say I was looking for a committed relationship? No

I am 48 years old I don't need advice from a forum.....

So help the other needy women that want to tie their gem down and make them commit because one think I do know a gem is not going to commit unless he is ready. This gem is not ready, and I know he not ready because I have been with him through all of his ups and down. I am a true friend.

And you don't know my story.

Thanks but no thanks.

FYI - My actions and the way I am is not the reason why we are still friends, he actually likes the way I am. 🙂

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Castor..I love your honesty...and who says gems cannot bow to greatness!! LOL!!! Anyway we met and sure enough he is having a problem dealing with my elusiveness and my previous blow out!! He did not realize how much being without contact effected him...whatever..anyway wants to see more of me as friends....and wants to know when the next time he can see me...I may have him over to my home for dinner which is the first time in four months of dating....as a freind,,of course he wants the lover part too, but I think we will hold on that..met an exciting sagitarrian in the interim...gem was a little slow on the take! but we will see what the future holds...Oh! he has been calling on my old cell, which is the mailbox has been full..for awhile...I could not have planned it better myself! Booyah! I need more of a challenge...he seemed so frazzled at lunch---he was fumbling and was pissed cause he called to cfm lunch on old cell and he thinks I was ignoring him---! Oh! well what goes around comes around!! But he is sweet and he so flustered....I almost feel sorry for him....NOT!

I Sure you feel better now.

Did you get our stuff?

"met an exciting sagitarrian in the interim.."

Good. Treat him the same way you treat Gemini. Sags dont want to feel possessed or owned either, the difference between Sags and Gems are the Sag are fun to be with and will make you feel comfortable. They have warm hearts that will warm you, also. They are very caring and a lot less self absorbed than Gems. Just take into consideration that they are like this with everyone they meet. lol So just have fun!

castro...the dud part sounds true....! i can see it coming with the gem----he is a lot of hype! appears to be exciting...just bitter and lonely underneath his smooth exterior!i have seen glimpses of his cold icy interior! he said he wants friendship...he does not act like a friend at all---all i see is a dog in heat!

AAAAARRRRGGGG! I saw him saturday and he was so dishelved and so mch confusion about me not repsonding to him--I forgot! We were suppose to hang out and get togther but it did not work out the next day!! I was duped....Okay Castro...he is playing me its official..and I am going to just ask for my stuff period..and move on!

You're better than me hun, i would have had to pounce while he was weak. And he is weak right now. See, while i was dating, there was NOTHING like breaking a playa DOWN. They need that once in a while. They become a changed man, and yes, i did that hahahaha. But, if you're past playing games, then you are so right by getting your stuff and moving on.

IF he for some reason really did change his ways, then you would have a TON of work ahead of you. Can you just imagine the "home training" he would require to get rid of his playa tendencies— That's a whole lot of work.

Baby grrl...lets just say for argument sake that one wanted to pounce while they were weak...how wld one go about doing that...especially if he was playa...he was not expecting to miss me....mmmmh...and he was so upset with me being mia..but he was the dummy calling me on the wrong cell,,,,he was so beside himself..I said that i heard that you were dating someone new...BTW adding insult to injury..I read today that a huge case of his today just fell apart and now has to litigate---.. BOOYA..HE IS JUST KICKED ALL THE WAY AROUND!!! That's what u get for trying to play a scorp..lets just say for argument sake one wanted to pounce....any ideas?

Castro..ROLMAO..I mentioned that you know I neeeed you baby (wink) saturday..as a joke-- He said, ?You know I dont really believe that---LOL! Gem down! But u know how treetrunking reslient you all are--he will be back on his feet soon..he actually texted me that he wld see me soon! OH! LIKE I WILL BE WAITING!

Posted by trobin939
Baby grrl...lets just say for argument sake that one wanted to pounce while they were weak...how wld one go about doing that...especially if he was playa...he was not expecting to miss me....mmmmh...and he was so upset with me being mia..but he was the dummy calling me on the wrong cell,,,,he was so beside himself..I said that i heard that you were dating someone new...BTW adding insult to injury..I read today that a huge case of his today just fell apart and now has to litigate---.. BOOYA..HE IS JUST KICKED ALL THE WAY AROUND!!! That's what u get for trying to play a scorp..lets just say for argument sake one wanted to pounce....any ideas?

karma does work wonders

trobin, lol it's a playful little game. I won't say harmless because you will change him if you "pounce". Oh i woulda confused the hell out of him. He wouldn't know if I really liked him or was pulling his chain. All you do is play his game back. BUT you have to do it without any emotion on your part or it can backfire on you. That's kinda why the game is so good and actually easy for me being a gemini. I'm so detached i can play that emotions game without any investment or fear of ME getting hurt back because i really didn't care, but they thought i did. Once i'm at the "pounce" point, i don't wnat a relationship, i want the man to NEVER forget me. EVER. So i make moves. I show glimmers of the woman i am, that he will NEVER have. Cooking.. cleaning Just a caption so he can see what's out there.

It's hard to explain what to do specifically. because it is all about presentation and delivery and what he likes and is interested in Whatever those things are, you havet o figure out and then come up with a game plan to act them out. You have to seem available, but don't be. You have to seem interested but not really. You may have to give in a little bit sexually and then pull back as if they did something wrong but dont' address it and make it count so bring your A game (if it's average, it won't work cuz they can get average anywhere). Kinda like how men love to play those games with us. You get him to where he wants you so bad, he doesn't know what in the hell to do. WHen you put a man off balance like that, they get lost. They will compare you to every girl they come in contact with again, they will date women that look like you, act like you cuz they need it so bad. I loved this game, i was good at this game.

Now, a little caution. The men i have done this to, STILL to this day keep coming around. No mater what i say, or anything. So if that's not something you want, i wouldn't recommend you playing this game. Him being a Gemini, this might be the challenge he is seeking so it could get a little messy, but remembering not to be invested is key.

I sound HORRIBLE lol I wish i could give thanks to the man that really showed me the way by being such a D O G that i HAD to get him back. And to this day, he would drop his life to be with me. It's kind of funny, but sad, cuz i would have liked a friendhsip with him, but he won't leave "more" alone. EVER even infront of his chick. 😢

dward, yes it does. It's not something for the weak minded and i'm aware it comes back. But i look at it like this, there were a few men in my life that have ROCKED my world in a horrible horrible way. THEY taught me this. They are the reason i had to play those games. I didn't do this to any genuine guy. I would NEVER. But, playboys are attracted to me. I am to them as well. So if you live in that world, you have to get in where you fit in.

BABY GRRL!

I GET IT NOW! TODAY I LOVE THE NEXT DAY..WHAT WAS YOUR NAME...WHEN I TOLD HIM THAT I LOST HIS NUMBER..WHICH IS WHY I DIDNT REACH OUT...IT WAS ACTUALLY THE TRUTH..I DELETED IT FROM MY FON..NO WORD IN 10 DAYS..YOU GONE! BUT HE HAD BEEN CALLING ME ON MY OLD NUMBER THAT I DONT USE ANYMORE..OR EVEN TURN ON...THE TRUTH WORKS! He business is taking a toll too...and texted him today with a light.... i read you are having a challenge but we know how you always love a good one...good luck this week. ttyl ...light, witty, and three days ago i told him that i missed him too..and i want him to win it! (ME) this cld be fun! I think he is going to run...lets see what the gem is working with...sun - gem, moon--gem, rising sag....let the games begin............

Good luck and remember.. keep your emotions out of it or it WILL come back and bite you. 🙂

after my last e mail i got a 🙂 a happy face response...no thank u...no i appreciate ur concern...nada but a happy face....so empty and cold...

Start dating someone else. That will mess with his head.

That's not empty or cold, that's he's busy or playing back. And he's leaving you guessing and wondering what that really means. Take it at facce value, then keep it moving. Stick to your plan, whatever that might be 😉

FYI, sometimes, as much as i love to text, if my mind is going and i'm busy, that's about all my man gets too. i don't have time for more and if you want more, then i'm going to get irritated because i have to stop what i'm thinking and doing and waste time with a text. but in an hour, i could text you 20 texts lol.

well...I saw him at a social x-mas event..and we spoke...and eventually i said did u get my text..i want my things..no relationship..no friendship...just want my things...in mny text i told him i wld send someone to get my things..and he said i want u to come get them! Yeh right! anyway some chick walked up and he says hey...when r we going to dinner i dont want professional i want to do something personal! She seemed surprised and said ok call me..i know its game! before i left i said I KNOW IM NOT GETTING IT! JUSR KEEP IT..HE WAS LIKE NO THATS NOT TRUE...BUT I WALKED AWAY! HE HAS OTHER THINGS GOING ON..ITS A WRAP..OR HE WLD HAVE MADE AN ATTEMPT TO RECONCILE...AND I HAD A FLOCK OF ATTENTION TONIGHT AND HE OBSERVED.....BUT MADE NO MOVE....HE STAYED IN THE SAME POSITION ALL NIGHT!

This is so simple. He says he desires you. But he is not dependant on you. The insinuation comes in when he says that you really don't want him for who he is...you are just in need of someone. Not him. Just needy. If this was already answered well pardon me but I read the first 2 answers and they were way off. It really is not a complex jedi mind thing. Girls. (sighs)

By the way, trobin939 you might be getting on your high heels a bit too much. Might wanna consider just maturing instead of playing cat and mouse. This will be a mind that you never are going to figure out so don't ever think you know were you stand. You are "competing" against the genius in his own game. Your game is protection your insides and plotting revenge after you are hurt. Be careful! With out all the defenses you put up you are softer than a worm. Stay away from him...he packs a machine gun. Looking by your picture you look like in your mid 30's....do people really do this for so long? What happened to freedom and cosmic love? OOOhhhh.that is for my generation to teach you. Ok. I know it is fun for you to post a note online and be looking like a strong female among your blogging peers....cool. Let's see how honest you are if you get crushed or hurt and left depressed. Please provide updates. God is the witness. 🙂 I am intrigued.

dpd..I see you bring a little swagger...

his is so simple. He says he desires you. But he is not dependant on you. The insinuation comes in when he says that you really don't want him for who he is...you are just in need of someone. Not him. Just needy. If this was already answered well pardon me but I read the first 2 answers and they were way off. It really is not a complex jedi mind thing. Girls. (sighs

Yes..there is some insight to need..lost my Dad a month and half ago...the last parent alive...and I moved to new town...I may have needed him ...but now I have learned to appreciate his mind...but BTW he did retract statement and say I know you dont need me, but at the time...her may have felt that way...but no longer the case>

By the way, trobin939 you might be getting on your high heels a bit too much. Might wanna consider just maturing instead of playing cat and mouse. This will be a mind that you never are going to figure out so don't ever think you know were you stand. You are "competing" against the genius in his own game. Your game is protection your insides and plotting revenge after you are hurt. Be careful! With out all the defenses you put up you are softer than a worm. Stay away from him...he packs a machine gun. Looking by your picture you look like in your mid 30's....do people really do this for so long? What happened to freedom and cosmic love? OOOhhhh.that is for my generation to teach you. Ok. I know it is fun for you to post a note online and be looking like a strong female among your blogging peers....cool. Let's see how honest you are if you get crushed or hurt and left depressed. Please provide updates. God is the witness. I am intrigued.

Okay..first of all this is fun....truth be it told...I love my high heels..and I tried playing it straight..and all I got was I miss you so much..after no contact for awhile...---then I say okay lets be friends...and still no follow up...now I ask for my things back....and he wants me to personally pick them up..I tried that and I didnt get them....said he would mail...nothing..so I told him to keep it tonight! I am strong and beautiful and dating.....he had an opportunity to express himself and he choked...im not as good as the genius with the game.....

Why would you call a smiley face cold when you actually texted him in a sarcastic fashion. What you really want to do is see him fail. You really are on a trip of your own girl! Then when this nice gemini castorandpollux does his best to give honest advice as a good individual...yo go ahead and say that gems can bow to greatness. Wow. What the fuck is so great about you? I wouldn't even bow down to god. How dare you talk like that girly. I will defend Geminis to death because many of my best friends have been Gems. Gems. Beautiful Gems. All of them took sooooo long to open up but damn. Im happy I was patient and non judgmental because these people truly are Gems. Wise people I have ever met. Natural shamans. Unlike them, all scorpio men I have met are fake ass pussies. No joke. They do this bad boy thing but they are sooo fake. They are literally little girls with penises and beards. Seriously. Who the duck do you think you are? These are serious questions. What in the world is so good about you? Are all scorpio girls so immature and full of drama? Can scorpio girls actually be honest in a relationship and willing to make it work instead of making themselves appear to be overly important when they are couch potatoes? . Therefore, what are the benefits of dating a scorpion woman? 1. Feeling like a man. 2. Sex 3. "Loyalty" What else do you scorpio women do for your men? You girls need a lot of reassurance. As a water sign you like being nurtured. Perhaps, smothered. If you are in a happy relationship were you feel emotionally satisfied. What else does your man get? Do you girls have the ability of being sweet? Do you girls display emotional affection to your man or repress it all in silence? Are you able to nurture as well? Are you so sensitive that you cant handle bluntness and rougher responses? Are you girls always on your high heels or can you actually goof around and eat some fucking pop corn and relax with a comedy? Do you girls like getting down and dirty in the mud? Anal sex? hehehe. Ok. I am seriously waiting for answers. Seriously. I have been having dreams about one Scorpio woman I have not even met. I wonder what God is up to sometimes. Lets see some plain, non-sugar coated truth scorpio females. Or would that be too much exposure? I'm a Leo by the way.

Wow...I wrote 3 posts in a row and when done I actually realized I had 2 replies already. Great. Good A.M. fun. I like your story better when its fuller and not making it seem like people should be on your side not the Gems. Regardless, it'st not about sides is about living, learning, and evolving right? I have always told my Gemini friend that I would like to see him date a scorpion. This gemini friend of mine is quite a character. I have always said to people that Gemini is the deepest sign I have met. Seriously. He can connect me with the spirit of the sun, the moon and many things. Without him I would have been waaaay to egotistical to consider spirituality probably in my whole lifetime. It's hard to believe but see...to get to know a gem...you really have to be a leo. Maybe scorpios are not capable of letting things blossom withough breaking the purity of the bond. By the way, sounds like you could be cool.

DPD..Wow u sound a lil too intense...about scorps and gems....My gen is a lot of fun--but just not right now! I am on high horse..cause i BRING A LOT.,...BUT I DONT NEED TO PROVE TO YOU! BUT MY GEM HAS ALLREADY CALLED ME THE NEXT TODAY EARLY AM....TRYING TO GETR ME TO MEET UP WITH HIM TO GIVE ME MY THINGS...WE ARE TALKING....We will see?

OKAY GUYS! We have come to a meeting of the minds? and we agreed to continue dating and getting to know one another better...with a commitment..and no that was not what I was looking to hear! But I am open....he was apparently hurt with that weak of calling my old number and the fact that I didn't respond...thought that we broke up! Okay I will give him this one! NEW ITEM -- He seems to like to test a LOOOOOT...and asked if he could borrow money until the 31st of Dec with interest..he wants to know if I have his back-- ? He is a very successful managing partner at a large firm! Reps large clients...my take wants to see if I am actually bringing something to the table -- He gave me a legal note -- Promissory note -- and TRUST I will show up at his job demanding my money back on 1st if it is not returned, and make a pubic PSA ( i was a journalist in my other lifetime--) I know he is successful, but what is the deal? There is never a dull moment dealing with gems...

And someone had the nerve to say that I was playing games...I got my things back...clean start -- do you think he wants to keep secure some sort of hold ?

I don' tknow about all gems, but i always throw tests at someone i'm dating. I still throw random tests with my bull that i'm still living with. He's very quick lmao so he's calls me out on them and laughs and will say something like.. shit.. haven't i passed enough already and usually giggles. But i do it because i need to see how he responds in all types of situations. Then i analyze what/how he handled it. He always comes out on top. WHile i was dating, i know 100% these little tests spared me some pain and suffering. I made a promise that i wouldn't settle ever again. So in order to ensure i wasn't, i have to run little tests to make sure things are right, that we can get through things with out knock down brawls, and to ensure he's the type of man that i need in my life. I need that strong man, i play my position i need him to play his. The little tests i either throw or life does, are designed to see if he is that man. I expect the same things done back to me. We are talking about marriage, i don't want another failed attempt. So wheni marry again, it is for real. I take that seriously.

So anyway, he is testing you. You should handle his tests like anything else and handle them how you would normally handle them. If you aren't comfortable DO NOT LEND HIM this money. He might be seeing if your easy to manipulate or something. Lending you money does not show you have his back, to me it shows you have an account he can use at will. And or keeping you at close range whether or not you want to be there.

I agree baby....after the way he treated her he has the nerve to ask her to lend him money (shakes head).


trobin939 how could you even consider it?

I know you like him and you mean well but dont let this jerk use you at his convenience...your really deserve better.

A committment and you only been dating for a few months?

Trobin, I sure hope you know what you are doing.

I will never understand women that get in a committed relationship after months of NOT KNOWING one another, this is crazy.

I think I will just stand back and read this from a far.

I agree with Babygrl,

"Lending you money does not show you have his back, to me it shows you have an account he can use at will. And or keeping you at close range whether or not you want to be there."

IF this man is so prominant and have this big ass law frim that he is a partner with, Again WHY is he asking you for money? I so agree with Babygrl.

To me this is worst than a test, this is straight using. It's sad that you don't see it.

Well ladies..I appreciate your feedback..but it can also serve me as well...cause if it is a test then its one for the both of us..and far as committment goes we are not committed we are dating/friends...and I do not like to part with my money and if I do decide to do this...he will be paying me back---wthout question...I rather give my friends then lend...I must say I lost sme respect for him as MY MAN...! If he tries to play with me and my money then he lost a friend!! It is a small price to pay for the long hall...anyway I am on my way to veags for x mas and south beach for New Years! But I will be back on the 31st for my money! As far as us making it for the long haul...not very likely..I will never forget that he asked me for money in just four months! In all my years I never had a man ask me for money!!! It just doesn't jive right! But he did give me his credit card to a jewlry store and tol me that I could get what I wanted 2500 limit on card! But, I dont need his money..I wld prefer that he surprised me..he said he as my X mas gift and wants to know when he will see me!

wait, i'm confused. he asked to borrow money, but gives you his credit card with a $ 2500 limit on it—? something don't sound right. i'd be very careful. i agree with Baby-Grl, Dward and Scorpionlady. this has "set-up" written all over it.

Miss lisa..yes he did..this was a x mas present that he allready stated weeks ago that he wanted to give...credit and liquid are two different things!~ I geuss i cld also consider it as some sort of collateral..I am so bad..last night he called I was busy..called back and he played possum ..so i decided to play..I texted how beautiful...the 2500 necklace he just bot, and my date was very impressed! Thanks for the gift on my way to dinner...he texted back ..where r u? and have fun!! I called in the AM and female was in the back ground..yes he paid me back---asked me to hold while he proceed to converse with her and I went off! (It was a caterer with 20 gift baskets) and yes I saw the baskets!~ He said I cant handle him having female friends..and we shld be ONLY friends,,and that was final! Well the best thing in the world I cld of down and shld have a long time ago was open up a can of whoop A@# and he backed the tree trunk up! I told him that I do not want his friendship and thats final...On my way to vegas thanks for saving me a few coins for X mas! He called back very calm with a pookey did I say final...well baby..I was firm..Im not ur baby..Im not ur friend..If you had come at me with some respect and at least allowed an open flow of communication..that wld be different..amy be I could of been ur friend! He said he had no idea I felt this way-- (Game) But could we talk about some things that are bothering him. I told him I wld think about it? We have both been playing this game because I thought that is what I needed to do to deal with a gemini man.....but what I am figuring..the best way to deal is play it straight..with no emotion..and if he does not respect that..then bounce! Ladies just fyi--those direspectful incidents were all addressed, but we will further explore if I choose to continue...but the bottem line is I allowed him to get away with the bull and I shld of checked him weeks ago---I finally get it! Dont take any crap...make them respect you!

"...credit and liquid are two different things!~"

it all spends the same.