Leos And Communication

...I have noticed that male leos have issues with communication...

I don't think this is just a male thing. I have been accused of this as well. Except I don't mind talking about deeper topics. It's only when it comes to the relationship aspect that I get stuck. I have a hard time showing vulnerability and I would assume if it's like this for the women, it's worse for the males. That has to suck.

purrrfect: It's only when it comes to the relationship aspect that I get stuck. I have a hard time showing vulnerability and I would assume if it's like this for the women, it's worse for the males. That has to suck.

Okay so I can assume I'm approaching a sensitive subject and shouldn't really go in that direction because it means he may feel vulnerable hmmmm interesting...is that what your saying??

That one statement explains it all and puts things in perspective(:

...is that what your saying??....



tiki is that what it seems like he's doing?

My Leo and I were friends for a year, with lots of pursuing by him during that time before I bit the bullet, and now, sometimes, I feel like I took a bullet to the head.

Like with you, tiki33, my Leo guy was a frigging open book at the start. Anything I asked him would be answered immediately. Now he's actually started telling me "If I tell you that, you might use it against me." WTF? He says this in a joking way, but definitely means it because he's not answered me straight in a long while.

I feel like I'm starving with him. And when I say this, he says I'm too negative. 😛 Any time I bring up something that's bothering me, I'm being too negative. And then we start talking about what's bothering him......Grrrrroar!!!!

I love him, though. He makes me laugh like no one else can, he's very intelligent, and when he shows affection and gets romantic, I'm like a puddle of mush-goo. He's not ordinary, and I like that.

I've started seeing that all of this comes from a basic insecurity he has. Sometimes feels like he can't stop pointing out how great he is because he thinks I won't notice otherwise. Such a needy man, really.

Does it get better? Do they ever get to the point where they can take on another's emotions? I know he loves me, but I'm not satisfied with how he does.

"I love stroking my Leos ego and doing wonderful things for us but I don't get a smidgen of what I put in back, which I have heard from other women this is a bit Leo males pattern, I have chatted with women who have been married to Leo men and they walked away with having to rebuild there whole image b/c they lost themselves in the relationship."

The man practically glows when I compliment him. It's actually kind of cute. I love giving to him, but like you said, when it comes to him giving back, it's like bleeding a rock. Leos are generous? Lies, I tell you! Lies!

I've found the best way to get a reaction from him is to ignore him. It's like kryptonite. But if it's done too long, he can sulk for days.

You know the more I think about it, dating a Leo man is sort of like dating a girl...You have to be the one to take the initiative, you have to shower him with praise, you have to be the one who's always wrong, the one who gets manipulated, and the one who puts up with the myriad of mental/emotional games.

He's so lucky I hate boredom with a passion. 😛

Hmm, I see what you're saying, leokitten. I'm not sure what qualifies as a "considerable" amount of Leos, but for argument's sake, I'll assume that's more than six. That said, I know a considerable amount of Leos too. Before my bf, I never paid attention to anything that could be considered "typical Leo behavior" because people are too complex to peg by sun-sign alone, but after reading some of the complaints on this board and comparing it to what I've experienced (be it with my bf, friends or exes), I do have to say that there seems to be a pattern where Leos go all out in the beginning, and then play a series of mind games to test the person they want to be with.

I apologize to all the Leos for saying you aren't a generous lot, though. You can be overwhelming, but sometimes your insecurities can make you hold back. That's a human trait in general. Lots to do with pride.

In a fairy-tale world, where the sun is made of butter and pygmies and pixies prance, love would be completely straight-forward and gameless, but it's not like that, is it? I know about as much about your friends' relationships as you do about mine, and I'm sure those Leos you mentioned who do everything for their gfs/fiances do really love them, but it was a bit catty and superfluous of you to insinuate ours don't feel the same. 😛 (I could almost see you swishing your little kitty tail after taking that clawed swipe, nice image.) This is going to sound completely cynical, but there is such a thing as the "honeymoon" phase." Right now I am in the "bitch, bitch, bitch" phase. 😛 Leos are not bad people, I'm obviously with my bf for a reason, but the ones I know do have personality quirks that take special adaptation. Maybe you just know simple people. Or maybe you are one.

kris, what are you like when you're in a bad mood or feeling vulnerable? Do you not have a bad/negative side that resembles anything that has been stated in this thread and others? Everyone has a dark side. I'm a Cap/Aq, mine is positively revolting. 😛

With a Leo Moon to boot.

leokitten, sometimes people just like to let off steam too. If you went around telling every person they're in a loveless relationship based on a few complaints, you're bound to be wrong as much as you're right. If my bf came on here and whined about me, you'd have enough information to conclude I don't love him, and that's not true at all. I really just came here to b!tch and clear my spleen. Now please, stop trying to end my relationship for me. 😛 I'm kidding.

I'll type slowly for you so I don't make mistakes this time. The problem I had with you from the first was that you seem to think you know more than I tell you. You're presumptuous. The first (or so) post I made on this board, you said I "talked a big game, but wasn't playing one." Right there you annoyed me b/c you assumed I was as simple as you are and therefore could be analyzed by a single post of gripes. You are not a/the Love Guru. Anyone would be irritated by someone who takes it upon themselves to diagnose after ten seconds of observation. I'm not saying I'm going to be with my bf for life. I'm just saying, you have no idea if we'll make it work or if we won't.

No need to censor leokitten, she's actually kind of fun. Like her, I like to sharpen my claws every now and then.

leokitten whassup girl! You pushing buttons today lol!

personally i initially came here for advice, I'm well aware of the issues of why my situation is the way it is (or was) rather but then I came to the realization that alot of us have some commonalities with leos, I like that I can say I'm a cusp baby and another person says me too and we seem to have the same type of issues as we chat it up online, plus alot of you have helped get out of a pre-toxic relationship before I got to deep in and I appreciate that but I would have never been able to gauge my situation without a little bit of food to feed my soul.

I think its important that we share our stories and not pass judgement but of course everyone is entitled to there opinions.

I love to hear about others issues and how they deal with them...I think some of us are old enough to know better and some of us just handle relationship issues differently than say your or I.

Don't be so hard on AQ, she's just sharing her information like the rest of us, I certainly didn't take it that she had some grand illusion that her leo will change nor do I even think mine will.

leokitten: Message posted by: leokitten on 3/27/2007 7:08:43 PM ip: xxx.xxx.xxx.41
i think freebird said it best....it is really important to analyze yourself...to ask why you are not happy....not to constantly analyze the other....

I have done that and made my decision about my leo based upon that, yes I took some advice here and from a few other sources but ultimately I based my decision upon the basis of whats best for me.

I think many of us are doing that, sometimes us Aquas are so mental that we need to work it out thru and thru before making swift moves about something...atleast I know I do, I don't know too many Aquas who don't go within themselves to find reason and truth.

RUN FOR YA LIFE Arianlatay!!!

leokitten, don't take this the wrong way, but you kind of seem like a b i t c h. Bad day? Totally understand it, we all get cramps. I'm sure you're a very lovely person when you're not preaching, so I'm not even going to hold this against you anymore. We're all human.

@tiki33, sorry for rolling in the mud in your thread. 😛 And thanks for sharing your stories, lots of the things you posted made me literally lol. Was nice to unload to a similar mind. 🙂

There has to be a way to type bitch! B!tch? B ! t c h? B i t c h? B-itch? Frig, that's my favorite word too.

@tiki33, sorry for rolling in the mud in your thread. And thanks for sharing your stories, lots of the things you posted made me literally lol. Was nice to unload to a similar mind.

women are women...its all good, I kinda like the witty banter lol

yes it has been definitely refreshing to meet someone with a similiar personality and similiar wit/humor...I feel less of an outsider when I see your mind at work, I say to myself hey I'm actually kinda funny lol!! Because you are hilarious!

Arianlatay, you're right, I didn't come here to talk about Leo men in general. I didn't even come to whine about my bf. I clicked on the Leo section because it was there, I have some Leo in me, I know Leos...a myriad of reasons. I saw this thread, recognized similar behavior in my bf who is a Leo, and bitched to my heart's content. I more based my "all out in the beginning blah blah blah" on the people I know who are Leos. None of "mine" do anything half-way at the get go, but have been known to pull back if they felt things were heading in a serious level or whatever. I'll agree not to generalize it as a Leo thing, but as I was in a Leo-based thread and enjoying letting it out to people it couldn't affect, I figured what the hell.

@tiki33 Do/did we have this in common?

What I don't like about him:
1. Lack of communication when he's in one of his mood swings.
2. The tests he give to gauge my interest level and/or devotion. He is honest, so he tells me he does this, but only after he's done it.
3. His belief that he is always right.
4. Huge ego and amount of pride that makes it so I must always be the one to end fights, wrong or right.
5. Periodic bursts of intense selfishness.

What I do like about him:
1. Funniest bastard I know.
2. He does everything in an extreme and big way. When he's good, he's like Prince Charming, only straight.
3. His protectiveness.
4. His fidelity.
5. His confidence and bravado even when he's admitting a fear of bugs like he's got that in common with Superman.
6. His patience with me when I'm in one of my mood swings.
7. The mind games that don't make me anxious. There are okay ones that spice things up.
8. His bedroom style . Nothing to do with decoration. (Not going in any real order, btw.)
9. He compliments me to his friends and family. They tell me this. I am the first gf to meet his family.

We're both dramatic and intense people, so when it's bad, it's baaaaaaad. When it's good, it's heaven.

(I understand on these boards everyone is entitled to their opinion, and when you post, you're inviting comments. Still doesn't change the fact that some will annoy you. I don't think I was wrong in expecting someone else to understand that things aren't as easy to explain as they made it seem, and then have words like "denial" thrown at a relative stranger.)

leokitten, there are offensive ways of putting things, and I think you know that very well. 🙂 What you say is nothing that is news, and I cannot herald it as wisdom. Let a person walk over you, and they will, yes. Eleanor Roosevelt put that eloquently years ago. I'm known for my sarcasm, and am fully aware of the thinly veiled insults I've sent your way, but if you see nothing wrong with how you handled yourself as well, then you must take your own advice and "self realize."

@tiki33 Good luck with your guy. If he's like mine, he'll drive you up the wall, make you like it a bit (in a twisted way), and be a constant challenge, but a worthwhile experience no matter how long it lasts. Good night. 🙂

@leokitten, how old are you? Do you enjoy being abrasive? I bet you do, you naughty little girl. No worries. Every friend I've ever had, I disliked on contact. From our start, we're well on our way to being the best of cyber friends! 🙂 I'm sure you'll ignore this, and I hope you won't as that'd be no fun. Just in case you do, I'll brace myself for your regal shunning.

ROTFL@leokitten and AQuirkyGoatess...hiss hiss rawr hiss...I love it!! you 2 are f*ck'n hilarious...more please...ooops sorry for being the instigator but I too find lasting friendships start with a high sense of dislike *violins in the background* before turning into a great friendship...you both are equally abrasive *licks tongue out* but I like you both..goodnight!

lk...wait, may I call you lk? Thanks. lk, there was no sarcasm in that last post. Sarcasm is too harsh a word for it. Was more like schoolyard, cheek-pinching teasing. It's out of my system now. *stretch* You may completely ignore me now.

tiki33, I've never known another Cap-Aq, so it's cool to see if we have any personality quirks/disorders in common. 😛 Sometimes I feel like I'm walking a thin line between two divergent personalities. Found some stuff on Cap-Aqs, basically we're inconsistent, difficult, nearly impossible people to read or deal with. Translation: Tons of fun!

It's nice to read that someone else struggles with the same stuff I do. Well, not "nice" but makes me feel like less of a--how do Americans say it?--Freak! Yes, like less of a freak.

It's VERY hard for me to feel really close to someone else. It sucks because I really do want to connect with a man, but it's tough. On one hand, I'm very emotional and intense, but on the other, I'm also detached and very independent. I don't even understand what I want some times. It's always changing, and I think it's a rare person out there who's able to put up with that.

Yeah, I agree we're not a bad sort astrologically speaking. We're not malicious, just supposedly very unpredictable temperament-wise.

Here's some stuff on it. Off-topic, but it's your thread anyway. Probably have to post in pieces:
The days that comprise the Capricorn-Aquarius cusp exemplify some of the manifestations of Mystery and Imagination where the practical, conservative Capricorn nature clashes with unpredictable, unconventional Aquarian impulses. The vivid and expressive individuals born on the Capricorn-Aquarius cusp generate excitement wherever they go. Unable to keep out of the action for very long, they make their presence felt almost immediately on entering a room. Their viewpoints tend to be controversial, and whether conservative or radical are highly stimulating, often because of the dramatic way they are delivered. Capricorn-Aquarians' interest in the poor and downtrodden is more than theoretical: most of them will not hesitate to make direct contributions of time, money or energy to help anyone less fortunate than themselves. At the same time, however, they have little sympathy for those they see as freeloaders or parasites, able to pull their own weight but refusing to do so.
The influence of the planet Saturn (ruler of Capricorn) lends structure and a feeling of responsibility to Capricorn-Aquarius personalities, but the unpredictable energy of Uranus (ruler of Aquarius) may tend to break this order apart at any moment. It is not uncommon for Capricorn-Aquarians to have wide mood swings; they can appear sensible and reasonable one moment, uncontrolled the next. Capricorn-Aquarians can get pretty wild, so it is not surprising that violence can feature in their lives, whether they attract it or enact it. Chaotic, out-of-control energies can produce tremendous unrest in the lives of those born on this cusp.

Looooong & Continued:

Capricorn-Aquarians have a pronounced dark side. Not ones to keep anger inside for very long, they can explode in fits to temper that will send others scurrying. The image of a furious Capricorn-Aquarius hell-bent on punishment is at tremendous variance with the face they present when enjoying themselves and having fun. More than most, those born in this week can be at the mercy of their demons, so that their outbursts of temper are truly spontaneous. Because they are rarely calculating, it is hard to blame them for their tremendous mood swings, which are usually forgiven, though not easily forgotten, by those closest to them. Even the most settled and conventional of Capricorn-Aquarians will often have an active dream and fantasy life. They lead a kind of Walter Mitty existence, with few guessing the extent of their interior life or the degree of its inventiveness.

Capricorn-Aquarians lucky enough to have a stable support group, whether in family, friends of, a mate, can have it all, establishing the many facets of their personalities. Capricorn-Aquarians who live alone may, in fact, build up great inner strength through dealing with the most difficult and elusive customer they have ever met-themselves.

Advice: You must find and outlet for your creative energy. Communicate what you experience. Try not to be discouraged by lack of understanding, ignorance or negative criticism. Don't go off the deep end, but, rather, find those who understand and appreciate you.

I prefer this take on the cusp, though:

Those born on this cusp are intensely alive individuals who are very comfortable following their impulses wherever they lead. The capacity to make snap decisions and act on them is highly characteristic of these people. Improvisory rather than painstaking, they take life as it comes ? no matter how chaotic or upsetting it is, they feel they can handle it. Their own internal state is often chaotic as well, although they miraculously impart an orderliness to their work, most often due to technical ease in their particular medium.
Humor figures prominently in the makeup of these vibrant people. The most dire circumstances are often alleviated, lightened by their ready wit. But such a fine sense of irony also serves to protect a profound inner sensitivity. Though they are fond of jokes and will even play the fool themselves if it suits them, they are very proud individuals who take themselves very seriously indeed.
They have a deeply human quality which endears them to their family and friends. Despite the fact that they can display a nasty temper and are sharply outspoken in their views, they are quickly forgiven by others, for there is no malice in their outbursts. Because of their love of fun they may be taken for superficial, except by those who really know them. Actually they often lead a highly private, even secret life, and share their hopes and dreams with but a few intimates. Most of them are by nature big-hearted, and therefore share without a second thought. However, later they may well feel a bit put upon if they find the other party unworthy of their generosity.
Although not always in the best health, these people are highly resilient physically, emotionally and mentally, and capable of surviving many catastrophes in their lives. Somehow they always seem to pull through, buoyed by an incurable optimism. Although they are generally on the side of the underdog and have strong protective sympathies, they can themselves be very dictatorial, a role for which they are hardly suited. Emotional, expressive and caring, these larger-than-life people may have glaring faults and make many mistakes of judgment, but do so with a singular absence of malice. Their insistence on a positive attitude t

AQ:The vivid and expressive individuals born on the Capricorn-Aquarius cusp generate excitement wherever they go.

This is so true, I'm much calmer now but when I was younger I would do some off the wall stuff, nothing I dare mention but even now people look at me like girl get this party started lol...its like their eyes start dancing and their waiting on me to make a move lmao! Weird but funny

AQ:Capricorn-Aquarians' interest in the poor and downtrodden is more than theoretical: most of them will not hesitate to make direct contributions of time, money or energy to help anyone less fortunate than themselves.

Yes, this is so me, I'm a total giver, I hardly can pass by a person in need without stopping to give something..money, conversation, a loving look..

AQ:It is not uncommon for Capricorn-Aquarians to have wide mood swings; they can appear sensible and reasonable one moment, uncontrolled the next. Capricorn-Aquarians can get pretty wild, so it is not surprising that violence can feature in their lives, whether they attract it or enact it. Chaotic, out-of-control energies can produce tremendous unrest in the lives of those born on this cusp.

Oh my... that is so true, I will be calm for days and something or someone will just trigger a huge mood swing and I can't relax sometimes for days at time, do you experience that? I haven't experienced any violence thank God!

AQ:The influence of the planet Saturn (ruler of Capricorn) lends structure and a feeling of responsibility to Capricorn-Aquarius personalities, but the unpredictable energy of Uranus (ruler of Aquarius) may tend to break this order apart at any moment.

Okay this may explain the depression I dealt with as a kid, it was so heavy, thank God thats over...its like my life can go so smooth and then suddenly disruption and chaos, oh my f*cken GOD...I promise you that this energy has reeked havoc on my life, i'm much more understanding, patient with myself and my life is now stable but oh my goodness.

still reading...not done yet!