Don't pick Libra because theyre the safest option

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I think alot of people want Libras because they think Libras are the nicest and safest options.

I just want to say this is EXTREMELY sefish. People are not meat you pick and choose based on starsigns.

If you "TRAP" a Libra to serve your own desire for security, its not love, and you are PREVENTING him from finding his true love, and also yourself from finding your own partner.

People read manuals too much and follow them like books, and blueprints.

I feel sorry for Libras out there who've been "picked" because they're nice and safe and treat their partners better than other men.

That is why Libras see the need to 'escape'. Escape from people who have "picked" them to meet their own agendas.

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something I read quite sometime ago, stated how the sign Libra has undergone a perception change in Astrology. In ancient scriptings etc, 7th house was not only the House of Marriage, it is House of Open Enenmies and War as well. Libra are born with a *war mentality*, their concern is simple.. 'save your self', it depicted the height of "self-indulgence'. (think Monarchy) ..

.. later on, Marriage and partnership took over, and libra was announced to be the *partner-centric* sign. I have one thing to add to it... Libra is *Partnership-Centric* and not *partner-Centric*, leave that for scorpios. (yeah, now I am biased 😉 )



Awesome insight. I have always felt that the older perception was actually as much a part of us as the newer, sometimes more.

I have always understood us to be the sign of inter-relation regarding the focus is on the relationships. Most have interpreted this as our drive being to form positive partnerships however I think it is far more true that our drive is to simply grow and progress through interaction whether in adversarial or complimentary ways.

I think it could be looked at that the scales represent the judgement of what is around us as well as the act of balancing. The act of balancing is self centric whereas the act of judgement is focused on those people/things/ideas around us.

Every libra I know seeks out the information they can about the people/things/ideas around them and ultimately processes an opinion or judgement.

This really comes through when Libra becomes personally invested in a particular area. They spend a lot of time and energy into becoming knowledgeable in that are and all related areas and seek out (or when it comes to them) ways to express what they see as truth in the matter regardless of whether or not it creates enemies or allies.

I think the descriptions that we are used to regarding Libra's are more true in day to day life or areas regarding the "small things".

Aries is the warrior that acts first without thinking, LIbra is the warrior that acts after thinking (weighing, judging) and the older perceptions pointed out the warrior spirit that Libra definately has. Aries will not hesitate to engage in a fight once they feel they need to and people around that see it and understand them to be passionate, Libra is more interested in getting the truth or their perception of the truth a
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across and will avoid engaging in a fight unless forced......but once they do they pick up where the Aries leaves off in intensity.

The crux of this warrior spirit coming out is that it really is dormant until the Libra finds their idealistic purpose OR something that they have deep personal care for is at stake.

I think that the tact and diplomacy are really the weapons in our arsenal in many situations not the result of fearing to make waves like many descriptions portray. It is better to win before having to or without having to draw your sword kind of thing as right is right regardless of who wins or loses.


I think Simon from American idol highlights al ot of these things. He is passionate about what he does, he is an expert in what he does and what he does is more important than him or you so be prepared to be judged.
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I wouldn't call them the "safest" at all. Especially the young, unevolved ones... total heart breakers, whether they mean to be or not. Now, once the Libra gets older and more mature and experiences emotional growth, yes they can become all those wonderful things said about Libras, and less like all those bad things said about Libras!

I've dated three Libras (long enough for me to actually know their Sun Sign lol) and two out of three weren't the wonderful, fabulous Libras one hears about and dreams of meeting. They were works in progress. Now, my Libra beloved is 37, and certainly grown and evolved (though still definitely boy-like in some areas!) and he is definitely the kind of Libra one WANTS to meet! But I had to kiss a few frogs to find my Prince! *wink*

I didn't PLAN to end up with a Libra. In fact, the other two Libras pretty much made me decide Libras overall just weren't for me, no way. But Life had one more lesson in store for me, I guess! *laughing*
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Nicodemus,

I really enjoyed reading your take on it, esp. the comparison with aries, (no wonder, they are opposite signs .. think coin)
the difference is the difference between War and Fight. Fight needs brawn and War needs Brain, strategy.. it is not about enemies, it is all the more important to have allies. Aries on the other hand, does not believe that anyone else will help him, not does it look for supporters.




Perfectly put! You gave me an epiphany with the difference between fight and war bit. I feel the same way but couldn't figure out how to describe it as clearly as you. That is exactly why we seem passive or neutral a lot of the time to a lot of people. We are interested in the bigger picture so it seems counter productive to engage in the fights that can jeopardize the greater outcome that we are seeking. We amass allies along the way in our goal who are willing to help us keep the small conflicts at bay along the way.

This is also true for relationships. I hate getting in fights with my partner because I am focused on the underlying issues and how to solve them so that the long term solutions are revealed. A lot of other signs want to fight out issues over small things or issues that are really the symptom of a bigger issue and we have to balance engaging enough not to undermine the way the person is feeling in the moment but ultimately want to keep calm enough to lead both people to the real issue. We have a bad habbit of just "walking out" of fights that don't seem like they are going to fix the bigger issue.

"My problem with Libra (which could be due to heavy pluto influence, Depth is all I am about), is that it is NOT they are not capable of going deep but that they choose not to go too deep (imbalance? ). As my libra lover used to say.. *you are like a castle, and many room I like to keep as they are, ... locked.. "

I can't relate to wanting to keep "doors locked". I want to go to the deepest depths with my partner but I also want it to have been for the better....not worse. The funny thing about "the surface" of things is that no matter how deep you go on one issue you always come back to the surface. The surface is the functional and regular manifestation of the deeper issue in day to day life. The trick with going deep with a lot of people is that once you are getting close to that they get a little afraid and a
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the problem of the libra is that they need to *judge* in the end, Judge can not be overtly-empathetic, even though you understand how a child went through abuse, but then in adulthood if he committed a crime, then libra will not give *handicap* points for difficult childhood.

Dont get me wrong, libras listen to people, as patiently as anyone would, but the cause and effect, sunconcscious and unconscious are not their concerns.. why is that, does that hinder the judgement? .. or going too deep in one aspect is *unsettling*



what?

personally, i'm extremely empathetic, and in my own life i'll give people plenty of handicap points for personal weaknesses they may have. over time, i've learned that that only leads to hurt for me, and i'm not helping them anyways, so i've cut back on it a lot. but i still do it.

however, if it's not my personal life, if it's for the greater good, i'll always take an objective view and maybe be too harsh, because it's not fair to everyone else to be biased like that.

we judge everything based on context. everything. it's how you can get us to give totally (seemingly) contradictory opinions and beliefs and even tastes. and you have to judge something based on what sort of outcome you want from it.

and frankly, we like to be objective because if we're subjective, it'll seriously take forever to get a decision out of us, since we've got to consider all the factors. and there's usually way more factors that go into a decision than most people think.
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what about this *keeping the surface cool* and seething with resentment within, when libras are avoiding open animosity (esp in relationships), they go on and make Snide remarks, cutting oblique comments and such are easy to be picked, but it is not done in the manner that you can call it open, it is very frustrating, do libras have any idea how they show irritation and how it irritates the other person? :-)



Yes I would love to explain this because this is a source of frustration for both us and the people close to us.


First, we are very cerebral people. We FEEL just as deeply as anyone else, were all human, but we tend to (more so us guys) hold more value to objective, rational, thought based interpretations and solutions to things that bother us than those subjective, emotional and/or feelings based.

When people get upset, including us, they tend to react to the emotional response within themselves instead of the rational cause or source of what set off the emotional trigger. When we get upset by something we like to and even need to take a step back and analyze the entirety of the situation and circumstances surrounding the event that upset us. Then, ideally, once we have it all figured out, bring it up in a manner that coolly and calmly addresses the underlying issue (cause) instead of the symptom (affect that initially set us off). What a lot of people need to and have a hard time understanding about us is that frequently in the time we take to detach we realize that we were reacting to something insignificant and are genuinely settled with the conclusion we came to and we can drop it and feel satisfied.

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There are two things that can throw our process off track. One is that the conclusion we come to actually does need to be addressed and we convince ourselves that we have handled it and set it aside where it will inevitably come up later in being over defensive with something that triggers it, passive aggressive, or attempt to avoid it completely.

The other is the other person(s) not being able to control their emotions and listen to us when we ask for the space we need to think about it and pushing for us to engage them. This is where every Libra has heard and everyone who has been with one has said (you don't care about me/how i feel) because we resist giving into the other persons demand for a confrontation on the issue. When we are being seeming passive and like we are trying to avoid conflict sometimes it is what you think...us not wanting to deal with the issue at the time....the other that people don't realize is that pushing us into a confrontation flips our switch. To us there is a big difference between addressing a problem effectively and fighting "to get it all out". If someone is able to get us into the fight, then a fight is what you will get. we go into a completely different mode....the ONLY motivation we have is to deal as much damage as possible. We go Aries except instead of just being motivated to express ourselves it is also to break the other person down and punish them for backing us into a corner (as we will likely perceive it). Here, the ironic thing is that we go deeper than most people are even comprehending, there is so much double meaning and kicking the legs out of the smaller issue with the person to attack the larger issue that the other party unless another Libra, really has no ability to see or realize this through the shock of seeing an otherwise even-keeled person go battlefield tactician.
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Posted by N.Node
something I read quite sometime ago, stated how the sign Libra has undergone a perception change in Astrology. In ancient scriptings etc, 7th house was not only the House of Marriage, it is House of Open Enenmies and War as well. Libra are born with a *war mentality*, their concern is simple.. 'save your self', it depicted the height of "self-indulgence'. (think Monarchy) ..

.. later on, Marriage and partnership took over, and libra was announced to be the *partner-centric* sign. I have one thing to add to it... Libra is *Partnership-Centric* and not *partner-Centric*, leave that for scorpios. (yeah, now I am biased 😉 )



N.node, are you a scorpio?

Yes, the 7th house is one of open enemies. That's why couples fight and quarrel, sometimes like mortal enemies.
The 'war' mentality is gotten from Aries, and not Libra. Libra's about peace in the greatest sense of the word.

A libra can start war and watch things collapse - alot of Libras do that just as a play on devil's advocacy, or, they feel things unfair. But the true sense of "war" is deeply unsettling.

*Partnership centric*, not really, actually. What is the use of maintaining a relationship just for the sake of a perfect mirage?
And I beg to differ for Scorpio being Partner centric. IMO, scorpios are ego centric, no matter what they do. Their *partner centricness* comes from fulfilling their inner need and desire for a dissolving of their self and attaining a sort of 'nirvana' of possession. The power and control needed by scorpio is dissipated in libra as a form of sharing in equal measure - else the balance won't be there.
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across and will avoid engaging in a fight unless forced......but once they do they pick up where the Aries leaves off in intensity.

The crux of this warrior spirit coming out is that it really is dormant until the Libra finds their idealistic purpose OR something that they have deep personal care for is at stake.

I think that the tact and diplomacy are really the weapons in our arsenal in many situations not the result of fearing to make waves like many descriptions portray. It is better to win before having to or without having to draw your sword kind of thing as right is right regardless of who wins or loses.


I think Simon from American idol highlights alot of these things. He is passionate about what he does, he is an expert in what he does and what he does is more important than him or you so be prepared to be judged.



Nicodemus, I don't agree on Libra being the warrior, actually. Libra is the neutralite, not the warrior. They start causes to improve the world - usually in beautification - and not because they want to win.

Simon Cowell - that is a craft, and I have to agree that Libra is the true judge - he hit the jackpot on this, because there's no one a better judge than Libra is.



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I wouldn't call them the "safest" at all. Especially the young, unevolved ones... total heart breakers, whether they mean to be or not. Now, once the Libra gets older and more mature and experiences emotional growth, yes they can become all those wonderful things said about Libras, and less like all those bad things said about Libras!

I've dated three Libras (long enough for me to actually know their Sun Sign lol) and two out of three weren't the wonderful, fabulous Libras one hears about and dreams of meeting. They were works in progress. Now, my Libra beloved is 37, and certainly grown and evolved (though still definitely boy-like in some areas!) and he is definitely the kind of Libra one WANTS to meet! But I had to kiss a few frogs to find my Prince! *wink*

I didn't PLAN to end up with a Libra. In fact, the other two Libras pretty much made me decide Libras overall just weren't for me, no way. But Life had one more lesson in store for me, I guess! *laughing*



They are safe because of how they appear.
And generally, the constitution of Libra makes them one of the most peaceful - whatever noise is created in the mind of the partner.
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"in I-ching, there is a hexagram, called *Grace* (i guees it is hexagram 22) .. Grace is aesthetic, ornamental and brings success, but it is not *fundamental*. Where is the Fundamental in Libra, all that is apparent is Grace."

Libra is grace, and yielding. The Iching elucidates this very well. Grace and form have underlying structures - therein lies their complexity. Grace does not exist on its own but is based on mental principles of true peace and balance. Without those, there's no grace.


"I can't relate to wanting to keep "doors locked". I want to go to the deepest depths with my partner but I also want it to have been for the better....not worse. The funny thing about "the surface" of things is that no matter how deep you go on one issue you always come back to the surface. The surface is the functional and regular manifestation of the deeper issue in day to day life. The trick with going deep with a lot of people is that once you are getting close to that they get a little afraid and a"

I agree with this.
With 'depth' comes a murky area of unknown deep dark - libras can be very deep, but seldom do they traverse areas that bring out negativity, or areas where there is uncontrolled lashings.

Alot of plutonic people are deep, but they do not understand their depth - this is extremely dangerous and libra knows that - therefore, the surface is calmer and more controllable.
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Hmmm... I Personally see Taurus as the safest. It takes ALOT to make them leave, they HATE change. Libras are so flighty, they dont even know if they are coming or going..... with or without you in their arms.



I agree. Taurus is the safest option - but Taurus cannot be moulded - People are initially attracted to Libra because they see the potential for moulding - but they're wrong, of course! Taurus women are the safest - especially if they dont have a roving eye.
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I wholeheartedly agree with Spica.

* They start causes to improve the world - usually in beautification - and not because they want to win.

* Simon Cowell - that is a craft, and I have to agree that Libra is the true judge - he hit the jackpot on this, because there's no one a better judge than Libra is.

I tend to think of Libra as the egalitarian, the advocate, the humanitarian.
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Thanks N.Node, you were right in some points though I must admit.

I agree, Little sparrow.

Libra is not interested in money and power (like some signs I know). Chasing money for money's sake totally isnt Libra.

Simon Cowell - he is a top earner because he's good at his craft, and he's not even hated, because he insults the behaviour and not the person.
Iacocca, Ralph Lauren etc., they were all fashion moguls.

And... Libra usually belong to the arty farty group, linguistics, psychology, humanmetrics etc. Something that improves the world, or at least inspires their creative side.
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this shit needs to stop now, and im saying b/c i read alot of these comments and the shit is starting to annoy me so imma be str8 foward and simple.

One trait, like all CARDINAL SIGNS, that a libra has is to end things, abrudtley, so to hear a cancer on here talking about flighty is just plain damn funny to me, all cardinal signs end things they deem as bullshit, a libra will lie to end it ir just walk away

But as far as depth of mind and reltionship stability, you cant see all that by just the sun sign, wtf? If the mercury is in libra, it is open and indecisive, if its in scorpio, then u will meet a libra who keeps his quiet until he FEELS like talking, if its in virgo, then u fucced up. Alot of aspects can make a libra more honest and hard working, a strong mars or saturn, and any bad aspects can make u run into a violent libra. And not money hungry? R u serious? Libras, LIKE ALL CARDINAL SIGNS(and i say that with reason)are ambitious and willing to expend some energy getting a goal. All libras want to be independent and their own person supporting themselves, libras are not selfish, but we wont spend money on something we think is total bullshit, or someone for that matter. Dont choose libras cuz u cant handle 'em, simple as that, leave 'em tha fucc alone cuz u putting more misery on yourself. Of course ppl will say libras have no mysetery to them, but i dont know wtf u call it when ppl make up 30 damn different therioes about u cuz they cant seem to figure u out. All libras are different. when the scales dip you meet a different libra time to time, u might catch 'em at a stable moment when they are willing to be committed, or we might be unstable at the time, and its best to walk away or prepare for the most shallow relationship u ever had, cuz when we are unstable, we just dont give a fucc about a single soul until we get back on feet. Look at someone's damn chart, quit genralsing libras, this shit is annoying

Ive met scorpios who lacked in intensity and were shallow and indecisive, met lazy virgos and capricorns with no jobs, damn but everyone is different. People got expectations for libras the we could care less about and when they fall thru they wanna blame the libra, but thats a picture YOU painted but libras being libras, were more willing to go along with it, either to fucc you, to get something from you rather its true love or just something for the moment, like all cardnial signs like to do


and on last thing, the physicalness,
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and for whoever would look to us for simply safety is merely insecure, cuz they are probably looking to be wooed with words and know they might get lied to. We can chase things just as hard as aires, but will be more than willing to manipulate you to get it, just like a taurus, just like a scorpio, and so on and so on. We use the mind first, then anything neccassry after. Libras are not for the weak minded, if we love you, we will be honest with you, if nyot then fucc it
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eh. libras aren't greedy for money. they can be greedy for the independence money can provide or for pretty surroundings or for the proof of a job well done (because lord knows if a libra actually does something, it's something they take pride in, because otherwise we're lazy fucks). but we don't really care about money. i've never known a libra who cared about money for the sake of money. but we usually have fancy tastes, and that can get expensive. sushi and fine chocolates don't pay for themselves, you know.
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Posted by Pride of 0ctober
this shit needs to stop now, and im saying b/c i read alot of these comments and the shit is starting to annoy me so imma be str8 foward and simple.

One trait, like all CARDINAL SIGNS, that a libra has is to end things, abrudtley, so to hear a cancer on here talking about flighty is just plain damn funny to me, all cardinal signs end things they deem as bullshit, a libra will lie to end it ir just walk away



Oh gee, did i hit a nerve? I Dated a libra man for 6months,and i can call em as i see em! You seem VERY insecure,*smirk*
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this shit needs to stop now, and im saying b/c i read alot of these comments and the shit is starting to annoy me so imma be str8 foward and simple.

One trait, like all CARDINAL SIGNS, that a libra has is to end things, abrudtley, so to hear a cancer on here talking about flighty is just plain damn funny to me, all cardinal signs end things they deem as bullshit, a libra will lie to end it ir just walk away



Oh gee, did i hit a nerve? I Dated a libra man for 6months,and i can call em as i see em! You seem VERY insecure,*smirk*
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whatever bitch, if u think so, im ust of hit on cuz u felt the need to respond
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I do somewhat agree. But I think it's just as disrespectful to Libras to not give them any credit. Sure, they tend to be very warm-hearted & very people-pleasing BUT that doesn't mean that they are complete puppets who don't have the ability or capability to recognize when others are being selfish or trying to trap them. Sure, some people purposely prey on certain types of people period that they feel are easily manipulated, especially after a bond or love has been established BUT it'd be just as wrong to assume that Libras are always the "victims." The Libras that I have encountered generally would do anything for the ones they love, even if it means sacrificing their own intuition or feelings to get the job done BUT at the same time that is the decision THEY justify & one that they make/convince themselves of. As the saying goes, no one can make you feel inferior without your own consent. Alot of Libras do tend to get "F'd over" & some even attract this supposed "type" BUT it doesn't help that Libras willingly allow themselves to enter into OR stay in these types of friendships/relationships with others. It's a 2 way street. It's not to say that it's a Libras fault for getting manipulated or hurt BUT at the same time, I give Libras enough credit to know that they have common sense, an inituition, intelligence & a sense to know when someone is using them (or whatever) just like everyone else.
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this shit needs to stop now, and im saying b/c i read alot of these comments and the shit is starting to annoy me so imma be str8 foward and simple.

One trait, like all CARDINAL SIGNS, that a libra has is to end things, abrudtley, so to hear a cancer on here talking about flighty is just plain damn funny to me, all cardinal signs end things they deem as bullshit, a libra will lie to end it ir just walk away



Oh gee, did i hit a nerve? I Dated a libra man for 6months,and i can call em as i see em! You seem VERY insecure,*smirk*



whatever bitch, if u think so, im ust of hit on cuz u felt the need to respond
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HAHAHA Isnt it aginst the rules to name call? *smirk* If that upset you enough to name call, than i am right, as usual. INSECURE!!!!!! I Love how libras screw up than try to blame everyone else because god forbid they ever be wrong! lol hahahaha
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this shit needs to stop now, and im saying b/c i read alot of these comments and the shit is starting to annoy me so imma be str8 foward and simple.

One trait, like all CARDINAL SIGNS, that a libra has is to end things, abrudtley, so to hear a cancer on here talking about flighty is just plain damn funny to me, all cardinal signs end things they deem as bullshit, a libra will lie to end it ir just walk away

But as far as depth of mind and reltionship stability, you cant see all that by just the sun sign, wtf? If the mercury is in libra, it is open and indecisive, if its in scorpio, then u will meet a libra who keeps his quiet until he FEELS like talking, if its in virgo, then u fucced up. Alot of aspects can make a libra more honest and hard working, a strong mars or saturn, and any bad aspects can make u run into a violent libra. And not money hungry? R u serious? Libras, LIKE ALL CARDINAL SIGNS(and i say that with reason)are ambitious and willing to expend some energy getting a goal. All libras want to be independent and their own person supporting themselves, libras are not selfish, but we wont spend money on something we think is total bullshit, or someone for that matter. Dont choose libras cuz u cant handle 'em, simple as that, leave 'em tha fucc alone cuz u putting more misery on yourself. Of course ppl will say libras have no mysetery to them, but i dont know wtf u call it when ppl make up 30 damn different therioes about u cuz they cant seem to figure u out. All libras are different. when the scales dip you meet a different libra time to time, u might catch 'em at a stable moment when they are willing to be committed, or we might be unstable at the time, and its best to walk away or prepare for the most shallow relationship u ever had, cuz when we are unstable, we just dont give a fucc about a single soul until we get back on feet. Look at someone's damn chart, quit genralsing libras, this shit is annoying

Ive met scorpios who lacked in intensity and were shallow and indecisive, met lazy virgos and capricorns with no jobs, damn but everyone is different. People got expectations for libras the we could care less about and when they fall thru they wanna blame the libra, but thats a picture YOU painted but libras being libras, were more willing to go along with it, either to fucc you, to get something from you rather its true love or just somethin
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this shit needs to stop now, and im saying b/c i read alot of these comments and the shit is starting to annoy me so imma be str8 foward and simple.

One trait, like all CARDINAL SIGNS, that a libra has is to end things, abrudtley, so to hear a cancer on here talking about flighty is just plain damn funny to me, all cardinal signs end things they deem as bullshit, a libra will lie to end it ir just walk away

Dont choose libras cuz u cant handle 'em, simple as that, leave 'em tha fucc alone cuz u putting more misery on yourself. Of course ppl will say libras have no mysetery to them, but i dont know wtf u call it when ppl make up 30 damn different therioes about u cuz they cant seem to figure u out. All libras are different. when the scales dip you meet a different libra time to time, u might catch 'em at a stable moment when they are willing to be committed, or we might be unstable at the time, and its best to walk away or prepare for the most shallow relationship u ever had, cuz when we are unstable, we just dont give a fucc about a single soul until we get back on feet. Look at someone's damn chart, quit genralsing libras, this shit is annoying

and on last thing, the physicalness,



sorry cut me off in last post

dude/dudette
if you cant take the truth then y are you reading it
and calling names is childish how old are we
im mean come on we are all adults here lame very lame