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Back to the Boy Scouts convo in FB's thread
I haven't been around except for a thread or two .... so, I don't even know what's going on.
... except that everyone has major wedgies, due to the fact that people's opinions vary.
Imagine that!!!!! People are different .. holy shit, what is the world coming to.
... except that everyone has major wedgies, due to the fact that people's opinions vary.
Imagine that!!!!! People are different .. holy shit, what is the world coming to.
I'm really not sure why this is such a big deal. There would need to be so many variables in place:
First, a little boy would need to feel he is gay. I am not certain the number of 8 years old that would be so aware of their sexuality at this age is even measurable.
Second, this little boy who may or may not be gay would need to want to be a boy scout and build fires and sleep in the woods and all sorts of things. (I know a gay 9 year old boy and all he plays with are dolls and feminine like things) You see at that age that's what we are really talking about right ...how we perceive the little boy to behave because I doubt he has developed any sort of sexual preference.
Third, there would need to be someone, presumably an adult in a position of authority who would have to observe the little forlorn boy playing and determine that his behavior is different from that of traditional boy scouts and deduce that ...well he simply must be gay. I can't imagine any person with the least amount of common sense approaching a child and asking him about his/her sexual preference. We don't even do that with adults.
So you see the chances of all of this occurring in a single situation is minimal...I would argue null even.
We really are concerned with the wrong things. This is not Don't Ask, Don't Tell.
Oh yea, since children might possibly be the cruelest creatures on Earth??_the little boy is going to be teased and berated and I can't imagine any parent being a proponent of the idea??_.all for a few badges.
I was a girl scout for many many years. My mother was my troop leader and honestly I don't recall the experience life changing in the least.
First, a little boy would need to feel he is gay. I am not certain the number of 8 years old that would be so aware of their sexuality at this age is even measurable.
Second, this little boy who may or may not be gay would need to want to be a boy scout and build fires and sleep in the woods and all sorts of things. (I know a gay 9 year old boy and all he plays with are dolls and feminine like things) You see at that age that's what we are really talking about right ...how we perceive the little boy to behave because I doubt he has developed any sort of sexual preference.
Third, there would need to be someone, presumably an adult in a position of authority who would have to observe the little forlorn boy playing and determine that his behavior is different from that of traditional boy scouts and deduce that ...well he simply must be gay. I can't imagine any person with the least amount of common sense approaching a child and asking him about his/her sexual preference. We don't even do that with adults.
So you see the chances of all of this occurring in a single situation is minimal...I would argue null even.
We really are concerned with the wrong things. This is not Don't Ask, Don't Tell.
Oh yea, since children might possibly be the cruelest creatures on Earth??_the little boy is going to be teased and berated and I can't imagine any parent being a proponent of the idea??_.all for a few badges.
I was a girl scout for many many years. My mother was my troop leader and honestly I don't recall the experience life changing in the least.
I'm unclear what the question is ....
What does gay have to do with pedophilia?
Is this about the boy scouts, or about gay men? I'm confused .... so, what are you alluding to?
Are you (or someone) saying that a homosexual cannot effectly lead children? Why not?
Do people realize that to be gay doesn't mean that person is child preditor? Do these same people even realize that most pedo's live a hetero life style ?
what the hell is all this madness of late? Seems like ever since Dec. 21st .. people's minds are getting severly tilted.
What does gay have to do with pedophilia?
Is this about the boy scouts, or about gay men? I'm confused .... so, what are you alluding to?
Are you (or someone) saying that a homosexual cannot effectly lead children? Why not?
Do people realize that to be gay doesn't mean that person is child preditor? Do these same people even realize that most pedo's live a hetero life style ?
what the hell is all this madness of late? Seems like ever since Dec. 21st .. people's minds are getting severly tilted.
Oh, I see ... I was wrong. This isn't a thread about being confused in that a gay person might molest a child ... it's about a gay person not being able to cope with identifying the sexual needs of a child?
what?
I guess I better go find the thread that started this, cause I'm lost.
what?
I guess I better go find the thread that started this, cause I'm lost.
Yeah, one side of the argument was that homosexuals should not be allowed in boy scouts, whether that be as a leader or child scout. There was a link to pedophilia and they/he said that homosexuals are linked to more cases of pedophilia, because to want to engage another person of the same gender, in this case a boy scout, one already has to be gay. I believe that was their side of the argument.
The other was that it basically has nothing to do with it and gay men should be allowed to do whatever. And then like Nala said, there seems to be little correlation with a boy scout doing anything wrong. Or, I can at least infer that from her viewpoint.
At least, that's what I got from that convo.
I really like what you said, Nala, and completely agree! Except there are also boy scouts who are older who might know their sexuality, but still. Good points!
The other was that it basically has nothing to do with it and gay men should be allowed to do whatever. And then like Nala said, there seems to be little correlation with a boy scout doing anything wrong. Or, I can at least infer that from her viewpoint.
At least, that's what I got from that convo.
I really like what you said, Nala, and completely agree! Except there are also boy scouts who are older who might know their sexuality, but still. Good points!
Thanks Scenic..Perhaps I misunderstood as I was not around for the "blocking" thread. I thought we were talking about "gay" boy scouts because I saw it as a headline on CNN a couple days ago. My bad.
I am confused as well. You are not labeled a pedophile until after you have committed an act against a minor. What is the debate ..hell no you cannot lead any scout program..girl, boy, girl and boy...nothing.
Being gay does not equal pedophilia but again I ask how many gay men really want to be boy scout leaders what are we talking about here...probably a very small number. I don't know any...do you know any?
And how does one know you are a gay boy scout leader..are you making rainbow badges — Are we asking people when they apply...Name..Address...SS #...DOB...Sexual preference...
Gay men and women have had to hide their choices for centuries...I do not think it too much to ask them to hide it if they decide they want to be a scout leader. It is a choice a gay person should ask themselves..how strongly do I feel about this..Because I for one would like to have the homosexual conversation with my children when I think they are ready for it. I would not like it thrust upon them. We have parental controls on TVs certainly we can be afforded the same privilege in real life.
Gay people have a right to be scout leaders but parents also have a right to not want their children around them. Sadly, we have more tights then we know what to do with.
I am confused as well. You are not labeled a pedophile until after you have committed an act against a minor. What is the debate ..hell no you cannot lead any scout program..girl, boy, girl and boy...nothing.
Being gay does not equal pedophilia but again I ask how many gay men really want to be boy scout leaders what are we talking about here...probably a very small number. I don't know any...do you know any?
And how does one know you are a gay boy scout leader..are you making rainbow badges — Are we asking people when they apply...Name..Address...SS #...DOB...Sexual preference...
Gay men and women have had to hide their choices for centuries...I do not think it too much to ask them to hide it if they decide they want to be a scout leader. It is a choice a gay person should ask themselves..how strongly do I feel about this..Because I for one would like to have the homosexual conversation with my children when I think they are ready for it. I would not like it thrust upon them. We have parental controls on TVs certainly we can be afforded the same privilege in real life.
Gay people have a right to be scout leaders but parents also have a right to not want their children around them. Sadly, we have more tights then we know what to do with.
Rights...not tights sorry.
Holy shit. :X
So pull God out because people don't like homosexuals? God isn't the blame for homophobia, people are the blame for homophobia. Plus this is just a hot heavy topic with varying opinions, parents do not have to expose there children to homosexuality or anything they feel their child shouldn't be exposed to. It's an individual parental choice.
Some gay men are pedophiles, some heterosexual men are pedophiles, there is no way to know if the homosexual scout leaders have no motive, are not pedophiles which includes grooming and having a thing for young adult boys in there teens, this can go on and on and on but it's been proven that (gay or straight) pedophiles have infiltrated the Boy Scouts, it happens, it's happened to the Catholic church as well.
Do I feel homosexual males and homosexual boys should not be in the boy scouts? I feel they have every right to be in the boy scouts but I don't control that aspect of it and plus I'm not all that interested in a club I can't join. I personally feel the boy scouts failed to protect children from grown men no matter what the sexual orientation, no measures where ever put in place even when they knew kids were being molested, that's the biggest atrocity, protecting themselves first which inevitably protected grown men when really it's the vulnerable kids that needed protecting the most.
Some gay men are pedophiles, some heterosexual men are pedophiles, there is no way to know if the homosexual scout leaders have no motive, are not pedophiles which includes grooming and having a thing for young adult boys in there teens, this can go on and on and on but it's been proven that (gay or straight) pedophiles have infiltrated the Boy Scouts, it happens, it's happened to the Catholic church as well.
Do I feel homosexual males and homosexual boys should not be in the boy scouts? I feel they have every right to be in the boy scouts but I don't control that aspect of it and plus I'm not all that interested in a club I can't join. I personally feel the boy scouts failed to protect children from grown men no matter what the sexual orientation, no measures where ever put in place even when they knew kids were being molested, that's the biggest atrocity, protecting themselves first which inevitably protected grown men when really it's the vulnerable kids that needed protecting the most.
Nala, I think the topic was about the kids and adults, so all your points were relevant. Haha, I think you mentioned the same thing as prince Pisces, I think it was? About how many gay men would want to be scout leaders, anyway. It's good to consider.
Posted by Prince_PiscesPosted by Scenic
Nala, I think the topic was about the kids and adults, so all your points were relevant. Haha, I think you mentioned the same thing as prince Pisces, I think it was? About how many gay men would want to be scout leaders, anyway. It's good to consider.
No, i said that myself as an individual wouldnt want to anyway, since someone asked my thoughts as if i even cared about this topic.click to expand
I was trying to remember as best as I could. I apologize.
Posted by Scenic
About how many gay men would want to be scout leaders, anyway. It's good to consider.
I couldn't see PP as a scout never mind a leader LOL
In any case, it's not a question of whether they want to, but that they should have the right to. There are quite a few manly gay men (not to mention the hoards of feminine straight men - mostly Virgo 😛). Also, more and more gay couples are adopting or have a surrogate, so the potential for a dad (who just happens to be gay) to want to be involved or wants to be a troop leader has to also be considered. Which brings us to the fact that most, not all, individuals who become troop leaders are parents, at least at the onset of their involvement. You also have those individuals who are very fond of their memories as a scout themselves and want to pass on that experience - gay or straight. There is also something to be said for wanting to be a positive role model, wanting to educate children or even just give back to the community as well.
Oh, and it's not just male scout leaders they discriminate against... last year an Ohio woman was forced to resign as den mother of her son's troop when they found out she was a lesbian.
I wonder how many boys have been subjected to harassment, by not only the other kids in a troop but leaders as well, for the sole purpose of forcing them out of scouting because of their parents sexual orientation?
I wonder how many boys have been subjected to harassment, by not only the other kids in a troop but leaders as well, for the sole purpose of forcing them out of scouting because of their parents sexual orientation?
Posted by Prince_PiscesPosted by Scenic
Nala, I think the topic was about the kids and adults, so all your points were relevant. Haha, I think you mentioned the same thing as prince Pisces, I think it was? About how many gay men would want to be scout leaders, anyway. It's good to consider.
No, i said that myself as an individual wouldnt want to anyway, since someone asked my thoughts as if i even cared about this topic.click to expand
PP, LIB asked you that question, but apparently you chose to ignore her. I had to remind you.
You ignored her because you didn't answer the question to her But you answer it, here—? That's telling.
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