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I can't take it anymore! I see so many friendships nowadays that consists of 1 or both people accusing eachother of being fake, BUT YET the friendship continues to live on. That makes NO sense to me.

Feeling like someone is phony/fake/or whatever is 1 thing. BUT, to go around accusing someone of being that way & yet still smiling in their face makes YOU just as fake as the person you're calling fake.

I've come across some situations in my friendships where I developed the notion that a friend of mine is being or has been "fake." BUT, I always discuss that issue with that person. I don't go around gossiping about how "fake" of a friend I have, if I'm just going to continue entertaining that person and/or going behind their back.

Idk about you guys, but I CANNOT stay in friendships or situations that stop allowing/encouraging me to trust the other person. It doesn't matter whether we've been friends for 1 year or 15 years. If you stop being trustworthy, I stop entertaining the friendship. Being friends with someone you can't even trust takes all the fun out of having friends, PLUS it DEFEATS the entire purpose of friendship.

I don't see how some of you do it! The other day a friend of mine spent all afternoon venting to me about how fake our mutual friend is. I listened & based on what I heard, expected for my friend to DO something about her issues with our mutual friend. But nope, she didn't. Instead, I saw her laughing it up with our mutual friend. See, the message that sent to me was that they were BOTH probably fake.

I hate passive/aggressive friendships! If you're still calling someone your "friend" even though by your OWN admission they don't act like one, you look at dumb, fake or WHATEVER as the person you're talking shxt about!

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Posted by WanderingStranger
I've talked to people about this very thing and the thing that usually gets thrown back is "Being nice to someone you don't like isn't being fake it's called being an adult." And well, if being an adult is being fake I don't think I want to grow up. I think it takes a real adult to be mature enough to not fall victim to that fake nonsense and know the difference.



Big difference between being nice to someone and trying to maintain a friendship if you don't like who the person is. I am normally still polite to people I don't like but I won't be spending extra time with them.
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Posted by Shadows
There are very, VERY few people in this world who are real. 'Real' makes many people uncomfortable because theyve spent so much time lying to themzelves that anything real threatens their made up reality.




Sorry babe, disagree with your statements.

there are very, VERY few people in this world who are real.. Tell me what is REAL to you..?? There must be some —standard?? here set by some —Authoritative?? person to define what is real or what is not.

You —decide?? what is real or not followed by your —emotions?? and —intuitions??. Now it is purely —personal?? perspective, who said that your —personal —perspective is —REAL??..??
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Posted by krysrenee7
I can't take it anymore! I see so many friendships nowadays that consists of 1 or both people accusing eachother of being fake, BUT YET the friendship continues to live on. That makes NO sense to me.

Feeling like someone is phony/fake/or whatever is 1 thing. BUT, to go around accusing someone of being that way & yet still smiling in their face makes YOU just as fake as the person you're calling fake.

I've come across some situations in my friendships where I developed the notion that a friend of mine is being or has been "fake." BUT, I always discuss that issue with that person. I don't go around gossiping about how "fake" of a friend I have, if I'm just going to continue entertaining that person and/or going behind their back.

Idk about you guys, but I CANNOT stay in friendships or situations that stop allowing/encouraging me to trust the other person. It doesn't matter whether we've been friends for 1 year or 15 years. If you stop being trustworthy, I stop entertaining the friendship. Being friends with someone you can't even trust takes all the fun out of having friends, PLUS it DEFEATS the entire purpose of friendship.

I don't see how some of you do it! The other day a friend of mine spent all afternoon venting to me about how fake our mutual friend is. I listened & based on what I heard, expected for my friend to DO something about her issues with our mutual friend. But nope, she didn't. Instead, I saw her laughing it up with our mutual friend. See, the message that sent to me was that they were BOTH probably fake.

I hate passive/aggressive friendships! If you're still calling someone your "friend" even though by your OWN admission they don't act like one, you look at dumb, fake or WHATEVER as the person you're talking shxt about!



Mature people don't do this...only insecure, immature people.
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I'm talking about everything I've ever seen. Its not based on assumptions that I have. Its based on knowing how someone feels or what they think (because they told me) and watching them pretend they feel or think differently.

I've got coworkers who consistently kiss ass even though they loathe their bosses. That is not real.

I've watched family members invite other family members over for dinner when they don't want to spend any time with them, but they do so because they're 'supposed' to.

People go to family events or weddings or baby showers that they don't want really want to, but they go because once again...they're supposed to.

There are other options. But they play the game so as not to rock the boat or cause any waves. Generally speaking, I do not think most people are true to themselves and what they want/how they feel.
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I'm talking about everything I've ever seen. Its not based on assumptions that I have. Its based on knowing how someone feels or what they think (because they told me) and watching them pretend they feel or think differently.

I've got coworkers who consistently kiss ass even though they loathe their bosses. That is not real.

I've watched family members invite other family members over for dinner when they don't want to spend any time with them, but they do so because they're 'supposed' to.

People go to family events or weddings or baby showers that they don't want really want to, but they go because once again...they're supposed to.

There are other options. But they play the game so as not to rock the boat or cause any waves. Generally speaking, I do not think most people are true to themselves and what they want/how they feel.






Hence the word —VENTING?? ever heard of it..? you say something out of —frustrations?? doesn't mean that you — actually mean?? what you are saying??_ you are just —venting?? out something bugging you!

It is up to —you — and your intelligence?? to find out the truth and act accordingly.
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You know what bothers me? Someone who actually thinks that if you're friends with one person, you cannot be their friend. What are we, two? You going to bite my arm, collect your tinker toys and go home? I couldn't hack that in school and I can't hack it now.



Hold up. Do people still do that at our age?!?
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They're not so open about it, but yes.

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And to further expand on that, to question my loyalty, my friendship, AIN'T GOT NUTHIN' TO DO WITH YA!
And my attitude now is the same then. You don't have to like mine, no one is holding a gun to your head. No CIA member is going to swoop in and stick a piano wire in your eye, you don't have to like my friends. I may not like all of yours if you flip that one round. Blahhhhhh.
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That's awesome Wandering stranger...that you don't go to events if you don't want to...that does take courage. I've missed many weddings and showers too. 🙂

I just can't get with the boss ass kissing. I think its SO obvious and if I were a boss...I'd lose all respect for you if you tried kissing my ass. In fact, I'd wonder if you actually suck as an employee and you know it so you're kissing my ass so I don't know it too.
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Posted by Shadows
There are other options other than being fake friendly and being rude.



Exactly.

I prefer to just avoid them and/or stay very impersonal and short.

They ask me how I am doing... I say "fine, thanks." I don't ask them how they are. I don't care 🙂

They ask me how my holiday was... I was "great, thanks." I don't ask about theirs, because again, I don't care! 🙂


I'm not mean. I just politely make it obvious I'm not interested in being personal with them - they can come to whatever conclusion they want since I DON'T CARE Lol 😛
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I think my point is ( I get there eventually ) is that it's all the same sandbox, we just know as adults to not punch someone right in the cakehole and flounce off with that bulldozer. Or throw a tantrum pulling at our ringlets. We fall into behavioral patterns. Get older we make the choice what we will and will not put up with. We're all grown up kids, we just have a veneer of age and experience to mask the capering douchebag within us all.
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There are other options other than being fake friendly and being rude.




They ask me how I am doing... I say "fine, thanks." I don't ask them how they are. I don't care 🙂

They ask me how my holiday was... I was "great, thanks." I don't ask about theirs, because again, I don't care! 🙂


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I totally get ya, Bri. In fact, the other day I had a bit of an issue with a co-worker. Later, I went into her office and said, "I hope I didn't upset you." Was very careful not to say that I was sorry because I wasn't.

Damn, I won't even buy a birthday card if it includes something that I don't feel about the person!
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There are other options other than being fake friendly and being rude.




They ask me how I am doing... I say "fine, thanks." I don't ask them how they are. I don't care 🙂

They ask me how my holiday was... I was "great, thanks." I don't ask about theirs, because again, I don't care! 🙂






I totally get ya, Bri. In fact, the other day I had a bit of an issue with a co-worker. Later, I went into her office and said, "I hope I didn't upset you." Was very careful not to say that I was sorry because I wasn't.

Damn, I won't even buy a birthday card if it includes something that I don't feel about the person!
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You don't want anyone to get the wrong idea! Lol
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Posted by WanderingStranger
Passive/aggressiveness is cowardly. And it takes more energy to keep it up, imo.
I've talked to people about this very thing and the thing that usually gets thrown back is "Being nice to someone you don't like isn't being fake it's called being an adult." And well, if being an adult is being fake I don't think I want to grow up. I think it takes a real adult to be mature enough to not fall victim to that fake nonsense and know the difference.



I couldn't have said it better! And this deserves repeating,
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I think it takes a real adult to be mature enough to not fall victim to that fake nonsense and know the difference.
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Actually —majority?? of bosses love their ass being kissed or else their kick your ass if you are not kissing theirs.

But... The topic is about —friendship?? and —faking?? it??_

Stay on topic and stop derailing it.. no one talks about —brown nosed?? son of a bitches..!



brown-nosing is a form of lying.
lying is a form of being fake.
this thread is titled "being FAKE."


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Brown nosing —is form of UPGRADING ?? the miserable situation.. You are 180 degree off track.

I am not promoting it, but again??_ you don't brown nosing your —friend??.. do you..??
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Posted by venusianbull
You know what bothers me? Someone who actually thinks that if you're friends with one person, you cannot be their friend. What are we, two? You going to bite my arm, collect your tinker toys and go home? I couldn't hack that in school and I can't hack it now.


I know, I had that same problem in school, and even a bit in adulthood. I'm like, "I like/talk/befriend whomever I want. If you don't like it...get to steppin." And I so hear you; especially now that I'm an adult, I've said that before too, "What are we, two??"
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Whoa whoa whoa! I think some of you have def. taken my post out of context.

To me, it's simple. We all have complaints about our friends, BUT at some point we have to stop verbalizing those complaints (especially to others) & decide on a course of actions. THAT is what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about the people who go around claiming someone/their friends are fake, but yet every time you look around, they're smiling/laughing in that person's face. Having a complaint about someone is NOT fake. BUT, exploiting that complaint to others just for the sake of gossip AND then never having the courage to tell them to their faces is what I call "fake."

It's kind of like the girl who keeps crying to her friends, "My man hit me!" Welp, if she keeps crying wolf, eventually someone is going to advise her to either leave his asz OR quit complaining about something that she obviously & clearly continually puts up with.

And the pattern I'm seeing is that people are all bark & NO bite. They always have something to say (most just for the sake of gossip) but yet no one ever really voices their concerns to the actual person they are complaining about. And if they do, it's AFTER they've already told 100 people 1st.

I agree with what someone said earlier. Being "the bigger person" & being fake are 2 different things. Your actions should match up with your words at ALL times. If I say, "I strongly dislike this person," there's NO reason others around me should be getting the impression that I strongly like/love that very same person. Doesn't mean I should be acting mean or immature to get my dislike across.
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You know what bothers me? Someone who actually thinks that if you're friends with one person, you cannot be their friend. What are we, two? You going to bite my arm, collect your tinker toys and go home? I couldn't hack that in school and I can't hack it now.


I know, I had that same problem in school, and even a bit in adulthood. I'm like, "I like/talk/befriend whomever I want. If you don't like it...get to steppin." And I so hear you; especially now that I'm an adult, I've said that before too, "What are we, two??"
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Oh yeh. I don't tell someone who they can roll with. Soooo. There it is. *swish, and two points*
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Posted by Qbone
Very well then, next time please differ between Acquaintance and friends, because friends are closer than your siblings and parents.. if you call them friends of course.



Well unfortunately many people call others their "friends," even if their "friendship" is garbage. So this applies to those who genuinely feel they have "friendships" even if the rest of the world doesn't think the friendship is real or worth it. You get the point. Let's not be technical here
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I don't believe in giving orders to others friendships either. I think it's about holding others accountable the same way we do our partners.

I can't control or do anything about 1 of my friends being fake towards the other. BUT, I CAN take mental notes though that my friend may be "phony" or unwilling to go to a friend when she has an issue. And I say that b/c if they'll do that to 1 friend, they'll probably be that way towards others. And in friendships, that's a pretty good mental note to take, especially when it comes to knowing how to pick your friends.

Sometimes you can tell what kind of friend someone is to you by how they treat their other friends. Same goes with relationships. If your current partner treated all his/her ex's like shxt, there's a huge chance you won't be treated any different.

Others expect me to come to them whenever there is an issue so that we can resolve it. Not go to 300 other people 1st & then get mad if my words get twisted once it all gets back to my original friend. Therefore, I expect the same respect with my friends. If they have an issue, I want them to come to me. And if someone doesn't like me, they aren't doing me any favors by continuing to smile in my face. If it's about being "nice" or being "the bigger person," that means only giving/doing things that come from a genuine place. And someone who doggs me out on Monday & yet is smiling in my face on Tuesday is NOT someone I'd consider a "friend."

My post was about the pattern I'm starting to notice in alot of friendships. It seems that so many people complain about how "fake" their friends are but yet they continue to stay in those friendships, only to keep complaining. THAT was my point. It's not about me trying to control anything or force 1 person to stop being cool with the other.

Of course we're all grown & technically can say whatever we wish, BUT we shouldn't use that to our advantage either. If you're my friend, I'll respect you enough to come to YOU about something, not others outside of the friendship. And if I feel that you're fake, I'll lose trust. And as with anything involving love/relationships/friendship, without trust you have NOTHING. Friendships aren't the exception! And especially since your friendships usually outlast all other relationships (other than family). The expectation of trust/honesty is even higher
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LMAO! No disrespect to those living in the west (particularly Cali) but I have heard that Cali girls do tend to be a little more superficial than other girls from other states. Personality AND physical wise. Of course this is just a stereotype but I tend to hear this alot.

@Fiesty...I think alot of highschool and/or immature people are all somewhat fake to an extent. Anyone who doesn't yet understand what it means to be honest, loyal & to close/open their mouths when it's time are probably known as "fake" to SOMEBODY!

I don't think that simply having a complaint about another person makes you fake. It's what you do with those complaints that makes you fake. If you go around exploiting your complaints to everyone BUT the person you're talking about, that's bad business
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Oh I get alot of hell for being so blunt, raw & honest. People can't handle it.

The thing is, when it comes to my friends, I never give advice unless asked for it, so by the time they're giving me the stare of death all b/c they couldn't handle what I had to say, I'm of course reciting the infamous line, "Don't ask for the truth if you can't handle it" in my head! I never feel bad for giving my honest & geniune opinion, especially if asked for!

In this society, I see more of the fake people being praised moreso than those who actually value honesty at all times. The fake people are normally the most popular in high school/college. The fake people are usually the ones with the largest circle of friends. The fake people are normally the ones who are the most appealing when you 1st meet them. They've got charm & are smooth with their words. Poor thing, I can see straight through that. I can easily tell when someone is telling me only what they think I want to hear vs. what they actually really feel. I always point out to others that when I ask for advice, they're not doing me any favors by sugar coating anything for me. I'm a big girl. I can handle it
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When I hear that someone has something negative to say about me, I make their job easy. I'll approach (not confront) them & ask them if there's ANYTHING they need to get off their chest. I eliminate any excuses the other person could have for not telling me to my face (people claiming they were afraid to approach me 1st, etc.)

And hey, if I come at you correctly, smoothly & without judgement, there's your CHANCE to be real with me & get it off your chest. If you finally tell me, I may not like what you have to say but atleast I'll respect you more for having the guts to tell me. So many people have balls/guts over a computer screen and/or behind your back but they look like deers in headlights when you finally go up to them & say, "Look, is there a problem!?"

Now if after I approach them, they tell me, "Oh nothing's wrong," & yet STILL continue to talk crap behind my back, I'll know that person is fake. There are other alternatives/strategies to take when you're not yet ready to get something off your chest. If you're not ready to tell me (for whatever reason), that's fine but make sure you keep your mouth closed until you finally do get the courage to come to me. Telling 5 other people NEVER helps. 1st of all, inviting outsiders into a friendship/relationship that only the 2 people INSIDE the situation can fix, never helps & often makes things/the fallout worse.

I'll only ask someone ONCE if they have an issue. If they come clean, cool. If not, I better not hear shxt else!
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