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Sometimes the father is the more maternal one...



but when you look at it in real terms there aren't that many Mr.Moms out there or maybe they aren't given enough chance to prove themselves, who knows? Back to the term you used, maternal..do you think a man needs to be 'maternal' in order to raise kids on his own? What about macho men, can they do it in your opinion? How is a man maternal?
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What isn't fair is when one party does not work even close to full time and to make up the difference to provide for the family the other party is forced to work between 45-60 hours a week. There is no way the working parent can compete for time. I think no matter what you are capable of producing everyone should be working full time in order to care for the families financial well being. Otherwise there will always be inequality between the two, and it is unhealthy for everyone.
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When the divorce was had joint custody of the children, but I retained physical. Every other weekend, if they agreed ( he left it up to them, he had gf and her 3 already ensconced.) he'd come collect them.
Even early on I never denied him access to his children. Despite me not even giving a squirt of piss to the wind if his bowel was on fire, he's still their father.
I could see it if daddy o was a bad element, even so. Prove that in court if it is so and get full custody.
I feel that people that use their children as leverage against the other parent are selfish assholes. They certainly are not thinking of their children, not of their emotional welfare, not of their pain, and not of their well being as adults. It's
just crap.
You choose someone, conceive children in love, bear them in love, raise them in love.
^^^^^^
Retain that if nothing else, and bludgeon them at night in bed, smiling like Mona Lisa and snuggling a pillow.
Same with bad mouthing the other.
Save it for girls night out or phone convo when kids are out with Grandma or in school. Not in front of them.

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I think it should be 50/50. One week with Mum and one week with Dad.

I hate women who use the kids against the father just because they has a shitty breakup.

My brothers ex wife did that when they first separated. Nowadays, the tables have turned... She has since become a disgrace and now my brother has the boys full time 🙂 He lets her see them whenever she wants, but the arrangement before hand was that he only got them every second weekend and one day the other week.



if you dont mind me asking what did she do to lose custody of her kids and is your brother raising them alone? In case of gender, do you think it matters which parent raises the kid/s? I'm asking this because i think it would be quite a task for a man to raise a girl child on his own because there are some things I dont think he'll be able to explain to her, or even understand himself. In a case like this I think its fair for the mom to be given the rights of raising her daughter. When it comes to women raising boys its a confusing one because either it works or it doesnt. I guess this one requires a really strong person to pull up because most single mothers complain a lot about raising boys than girls.
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When a couple breaks up, who should keep the kids?
Do you think men can raise kids without female assistance?

Ok, I'm done.




Do you mean without the mother or without any female assistance at all?

Sure a man can raise his kids if the mother is totally out of the picture for whatever reason. I've seen some great dads on their own.

If the mom is in the picture, then they should find a way to share custody, that would be in the kids' best interest.

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any. Im still not convinced that a man can raise a child, a girl, without female assistance. I think he can thou if the child is a boy since he'd know what steps to take should any problem come up. What do you think? Plus, do you think girls & boys are/should be/require to be raised differently?
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Most people would still say that it's more natural for a mother to raise the kids in the event of divorce, but many divorced fathers have done a great job of it and a great many single mothers have seriously failed.



i agree, but most men dont wanna take that responsibility or arent give the chance to, not sure. And sure men can raise their own kids, but there are usually issues when the child is female & you get to hear a lot about accusations of sexual misconduct when the father is the main person in a child's life. This makes me think that most people arent comfortable with that hence the suspicions & whatnot.
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What isn't fair is when one party does not work even close to full time and to make up the difference to provide for the family the other party is forced to work between 45-60 hours a week. There is no way the working parent can compete for time. I think no matter what you are capable of producing everyone should be working full time in order to care for the families financial well being. Otherwise there will always be inequality between the two, and it is unhealthy for everyone.



i agree with this
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Sometimes the father is the more maternal one...



but when you look at it in real terms there aren't that many Mr.Moms out there or maybe they aren't given enough chance to prove themselves, who knows? Back to the term you used, maternal..do you think a man needs to be 'maternal' in order to raise kids on his own? What about macho men, can they do it in your opinion? How is a man maternal?



I think kids need exposure to both archetypal energies, and that it doesn't necessarily matter who those come from, gender-wise. Some individuals can even pull off the administration of both, but that's generally not likely nor ideal.
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i agree, but why do you think its neccessary for them to be exposed to both energies? What is the benefecting factor compared to when they only know mommy or daddy alone?
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When the divorce was had joint custody of the children, but I retained physical. Every other weekend, if they agreed ( he left it up to them, he had gf and her 3 already ensconced.) he'd come collect them.
Even early on I never denied him access to his children. Despite me not even giving a squirt of piss to the wind if his bowel was on fire, he's still their father.
I could see it if daddy o was a bad element, even so. Prove that in court if it is so and get full custody.
I feel that people that use their children as leverage against the other parent are selfish assholes. They certainly are not thinking of their children, not of their emotional welfare, not of their pain, and not of their well being as adults. It's
just crap.
You choose someone, conceive children in love, bear them in love, raise them in love.
^^^^^^
Retain that if nothing else, and bludgeon them at night in bed, smiling like Mona Lisa and snuggling a pillow.
Same with bad mouthing the other.
Save it for girls night out or phone convo when kids are out with Grandma or in school. Not in front of them.



+1. But, some women, even men do that just because they're still holding a grudge against their former spouse. And I also think that both parties seek main custody of the kids to prevent being known as the bad guy because some adults do tend to badmouth the 'missing' party to the kids, which is wrong btw. Some even go as far as moving around to prevent the other party's involvement in the upbringing of the child, even murder in some cases. Its really sad. I ended things with my ex but we'll soon be staying together again for the sake of the child, under 1 roof & nothing romantic. Its just for the child's best interest since he seems confused at the moment & needs us both to be with him like before. Life's hard choices, but hey, I dont wanna ruin my child's life for my own freedom.
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""Population control; permission to have babies; redirecting the purpose of sex - sex without reproduction and reproduction without sex; contraception universally available to all; sex education and carnalising of youth as a tool of world government; tax funded abortion as population control; encouraging homosexuality ... anything goes homosexuality also was to be encouraged; technology used for reproduction without sex; families to diminish in importance; euthanasia and the "demise pill"; limiting access to affordable medical care makes eliminating elderly easier; medicine would be tightly controlled; elimination of private doctors; new difficult to diagnose and untreatable diseases; suppressing cancer cures as a means of population control; inducing heart attacks as a form of assassination; education as a tool for accelerating the onset of puberty and evolution; blending all religions ... the old religions will have to go; changing the bible through revisions of key words; restructuring education as a tool of indoctrination; more time in schools, but pupils "wouldn't learn anything"; controlling who has access to information; schools as the hub of the community; "so



thanks for that. Just curious, what are your thoughts on abortion? Is it legal there & from what age? I have an issue with it when it comes to my country's laws, now they allow kids of any age to do it without the consent of parents. We have an aids issue & now this? Great. Once i went to the state hospital's women's health wing & there were 6 girls waiting for their abortions to be done. Nurses here are fucking rude, so they turned back, rudely, one of the girls for wanting to terminate her 3rd pregnancy within the space of a few mnths. It is said that some girls use it as a form of birth control. I still cant get my head around such unbelievable logic, but they do it. Since its now their right to do so, most hospital employees limit it for them & record each procedure as a result. Some girls are...wow.
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I think it should be 50/50. One week with Mum and one week with Dad.

I hate women who use the kids against the father just because they has a shitty breakup.

My brothers ex wife did that when they first separated. Nowadays, the tables have turned... She has since become a disgrace and now my brother has the boys full time 🙂 He lets her see them whenever she wants, but the arrangement before hand was that he only got them every second weekend and one day the other week.



if you dont mind me asking what did she do to lose custody of her kids and is your brother raising them alone? In case of gender, do you think it matters which parent raises the kid/s? I'm asking this because i think it would be quite a task for a man to raise a girl child on his own because there are some things I dont think he'll be able to explain to her, or even understand himself. In a case like this I think its fair for the mom to be given the rights of raising her daughter. When it comes to women raising boys its a confusing one because either it works or it doesnt. I guess this one requires a really strong person to pull up because most single mothers complain a lot about raising boys than girls.




She met a deadbeat loser and developed a serious meth addiction. She hasn't officially lost custody, it's not by law...she lost her job her house and then dumped her kids at her sisters house and is now living with her meth head mates. :/ My brother said if she causes him any hassle, he will go to the courts and make it legal.

The kids are old enough to know what she has done and is pretty angry about it, they don't want to live with her and are really happy living with their dad.

As far as gender roles, I get your point about a girl does need a motherly figure during that awkward stage... but I still believe both parents should have 50/50 custody.
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lol @ meth head mates. Thats sad. How old are they?
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My father was more of a mother to me than my mother.



Mine too
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and who raised YOU, miss thang? When you're raised by one parent, doesnt it fuck up the relationship with the other? Mine divorced when i was young too & i felt guilty for whatever reason. When my mom remarried i felt like she was replacing my dad & was mean for a while to the other man because i felt like it was up to me to 'defend' my dad. These situations can mess up a child's mind big time.
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Most people would still say that it's more natural for a mother to raise the kids in the event of divorce, but many divorced fathers have done a great job of it and a great many single mothers have seriously failed.



i agree, but most men dont wanna take that responsibility or arent give the chance to, not sure. And sure men can raise their own kids, but there are usually issues when the child is female & you get to hear a lot about accusations of sexual misconduct when the father is the main person in a child's life. This makes me think that most people arent comfortable with that hence the suspicions & whatnot.




not sure if that is commonplace or not...

you may have a weird way of thinking..
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never said it was, but thats what usually happens in some cases. I'll take the weird way of thinking as a compliment, so shukran 🙂
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When a couple breaks up, who should keep the kids?
Do you think men can raise kids without female assistance?

Ok, I'm done.




Do you mean without the mother or without any female assistance at all?

Sure a man can raise his kids if the mother is totally out of the picture for whatever reason. I've seen some great dads on their own.

If the mom is in the picture, then they should find a way to share custody, that would be in the kids' best interest.



any. Im still not convinced that a man can raise a child, a girl, without female assistance. I think he can thou if the child is a boy since he'd know what steps to take should any problem come up. What do you think? Plus, do you think girls & boys are/should be/require to be raised differently?




so a woman is completely capable of raising a boy on her own, but a man is not completely capable of raising a girl?

what problems do you think will come up?

she starts puberty and gets her period?


shouldnt really be a problem.. in my opinion your daughter should already be educated on what is going to happen to her body... i dont really think it would be cool to just never mention it and have her freak out one day...


she has boy troubles? you are right, no guy would know how to talk about boys..
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who must educate the girl about her body? Not gonna answer all that, its too many points to make.
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My father was more of a mother to me than my mother.



who raised you & how is your relationship with the other party?



Both raised me, they are still married 🙂 40 years or something, I forget atm. But yeah, my cancer nanny raised me primarily (my mother's mum). My mother is awesome but she had a lot of frenetic energy, not much patience for babies/small children. She shook me when I was a baby once and then I had to go live for nanny for a while because mum wasn't coping. My mother was more of a career woman, and even now when retired she's not into the domestic scene. My dad is the more chilled out of the pair and he was my "steady" influence, the one who I received the archetypal "maternal" energy from (in addition to nanny), while my mother meanwhile was archetypically masculine. I am deeply impressed by strong and aggressive women, which can be quite obviously traced. I saw my mother as a force, untouchable. Impressive but intimidating. I'm not really intimidated by either male or female these days, but I was always more respectful of females growing up. Not very bothered by men at all.
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why do you think you respected women more? Was it the fact that, maybe you projected the 'untouchable' qualities that you saw in your mom to other females or is there more?
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We have 50/50 custody, a week at a time each. Although I do see my son every Wednesday night regardless of if its my week, and all summer I have him during the day every day since I don't work.

I grew up without my biological father and it hurt me, even though I was raised and adopted by my stepfather.

I think children need both their parents and all their family members in their lives. It's important to me that my son knows his dad, his grandparents, aunts, uncles, and cousins. We see them pretty often.
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When a couple breaks up, who should keep the kids?
Do you think men can raise kids without female assistance?

Ok, I'm done.



Yes. I believe both have maternal instincts, but it takes work.



what do you mean by 'it takes work'?



Its like a skill that needs to be practised. A parent knows that if a baby cries, baby is either hungry, need to be changed or sick. Parent that works with baby will eventually know how to respond to the baby with efficiency. The bond needs nurturing between parent and baby.
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personally, i think that comes naturally to a female than to a male as we are built to be maternal beings to begin with. I'm no saying men cant do it thou, but i think for them it might take a lot of getting used to
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I don't know that I buy into the whole women are more maternal than men.

My sons father (Gemini) is not a very nurturing person. Before we split up, he never really did much with our son. But since we split up, and he has to take care of the boy, he really has learned and is getting better. He might not win any awards for father of the year, but he's around in our sons life and our son does love him.

By contrast, my Scorp doesn't have any children of his own, but he is very protective and attentive with my son. He looks at what my son has on, will tell him if there's a hole in his shirt, or when my son comes out of the bathroom, he will ask him if he's washed his hands, stuff like that. Granted, my son is 9, but really he watches over him.
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and who raised YOU, miss thang? When you're raised by one parent, doesnt it fuck up the relationship with the other? Mine divorced when i was young too & i felt guilty for whatever reason. When my mom remarried i felt like she was replacing my dad & was mean for a while to the other man because i felt like it was up to me to 'defend' my dad. These situations can mess up a child's mind big time.




My parents were both around, as icy as that was between them. When I say that they never spoke...they NEVER spoke to each other, never slept in the same bed...like never lol. It was confusing to say the least, especially because it seemed I was the only one to call them out on it and question anything...my brother and sister never said a word, even with my trying to rally them up. Everything was always "all right," even though i knew it wasn't. My sensitive mind felt all of that. They divorced when I was in my 20s and already far gone from their home.

I wonder if staying together "for the kids" is always the best option.

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its obviously not the best option but some do it becaus they dont wanna screw up the kids. Btw the story of your parents reminded me of this story i saw, the old married used ceramic dolls as a way of communication with each other. When one was angry, they'd turn away the dolls to not face each other & when things were good then the dolls faced each other. It was weird to say the least lol
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I think staying together for the kids does more harm than good. Children can see that their parents are not happy, fulfilled , or in love, and will grow up to repeat similar relationship patterns.
Divorce is awful but sometimes necessary.

I hated getting a divorce. We did try counseling but it didn't help. Now my son sees both of his parents in happy relationships and I think it's better for him. Plus now he has 4 people instead of just 2. He thinks that's pretty cool!
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""Population control; permission to have babies; redirecting the purpose of sex - sex without reproduction and reproduction without sex; contraception universally available to all; sex education and carnalising of youth as a tool of world government; tax funded abortion as population control; encouraging homosexuality ... anything goes homosexuality also was to be encouraged; technology used for reproduction without sex; families to diminish in importance; euthanasia and the "demise pill"; limiting access to affordable medical care makes eliminating elderly easier; medicine would be tightly controlled; elimination of private doctors; new difficult to diagnose and untreatable diseases; suppressing cancer cures as a means of population control; inducing heart attacks as a form of assassination; education as a tool for accelerating the onset of puberty and evolution; blending all religions ... the old religions will have to go; changing the bible through revisions of key words; restructuring education as a tool of indoctrination; more time in schools, but pupils "wouldn't learn anything"; controlling who has access to information; schools as the hub of the community; "so



thanks for that. Just curious, what are your thoughts on abortion? Is it legal there & from what age? I have an issue with it when it comes to my country's laws, now they allow kids of any age to do it without the consent of parents. We have an aids issue & now this? Great. Once i went to the state hospital's women's health wing & there were 6 girls waiting for their abortions to be done. Nurses here are fucking rude, so they turned back, rudely, one of the girls for wanting to terminate her 3rd pregnancy within the space of a few mnths. It is said that some girls use it as a form of birth control. I still cant get my head around such unbelievable logic, but they do it. Since its now their right to do so, most hospital employees limit it for them & record each procedure as a result. Some girls are...wow.
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yeah abortion is legal here. My thoughts are, it's to reduce population. Create the environment where raising a child is unfeasible , then present abortion as an option. Abortion is a for profit business a
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To answer your question WC. Yes they can, and WELL.

My father raised me solely since the age of 2. My sister was 8 months.
I won't go into particulars, but my mother was not in the right place at that point. In her life.
Dad was granted custody. Highly unusual thing in 1973.
He taught me right from wrong, gave unflinching love and devotion.
A very real knowledge of the power I wield as a female.
No delicate minced words about how I would develop as a young woman.
I wanted for nothing.
He encouraged, applauded and delighted in intelligence. Fostered lasting and quality.
Most of all he gave me the gift to just be myself and loved purely for that alone.
I am a lady, in every sense of the word.
One that can shoot, clean a rabbit, doesn't care if the loo seat is up,
Sit like a champ on a motorcycle and potty mouth with the best of them. A lady just the same.
My Father is mighty mighty.
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the dads? And the gender thing doesnt matter?
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We have 50/50 custody, a week at a time each. Although I do see my son every Wednesday night regardless of if its my week, and all summer I have him during the day every day since I don't work.

I grew up without my biological father and it hurt me, even though I was raised and adopted by my stepfather.

I think children need both their parents and all their family members in their lives. It's important to me that my son knows his dad, his grandparents, aunts, uncles, and cousins. We see them pretty often.



+1 and nice arrangement you got there with the ex. Was it a mutual agreement or the court's?
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Children need both parents around, even if both parents aren't together.


Men without fathers=recipe for disaster on all levels.



& how should parents do that, both be in their kid/s lives with separate lives? And do you really believe you last part? Why?
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I think we do a great job at this.
We each have a week on, week off.
I am my sons Cub Scout leader. We do that every Wednesday.
His dad and I attend school functions like parent conferences together.
All 4 of us- his dad, stepmother, me and the Scorp attend events like Boy Scout dinners, birthday parties.
We take turns on holidays.
We are always civil when we speak around my son.
We are a team for my son and he knows that he is loved and supported by all.
It works for us.
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I think it should be 50/50. One week with Mum and one week with Dad.

I hate women who use the kids against the father just because they has a shitty breakup.

My brothers ex wife did that when they first separated. Nowadays, the tables have turned... She has since become a disgrace and now my brother has the boys full time 🙂 He lets her see them whenever she wants, but the arrangement before hand was that he only got them every second weekend and one day the other week.



if you dont mind me asking what did she do to lose custody of her kids and is your brother raising them alone? In case of gender, do you think it matters which parent raises the kid/s? I'm asking this because i think it would be quite a task for a man to raise a girl child on his own because there are some things I dont think he'll be able to explain to her, or even understand himself. In a case like this I think its fair for the mom to be given the rights of raising her daughter. When it comes to women raising boys its a confusing one because either it works or it doesnt. I guess this one requires a really strong person to pull up because most single mothers complain a lot about raising boys than girls.




She met a deadbeat loser and developed a serious meth addiction. She hasn't officially lost custody, it's not by law...she lost her job her house and then dumped her kids at her sisters house and is now living with her meth head mates. :/ My brother said if she causes him any hassle, he will go to the courts and make it legal.

The kids are old enough to know what she has done and is pretty angry about it, they don't want to live with her and are really happy living with their dad.

As far as gender roles, I get your point about a girl does need a motherly figure during that awkward stage... but I still believe both parents should have 50/50 custody.



lol @ meth head mates. Thats sad. How old are they?
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Yeah it sucks 😢
They're almost 11 and 13, both Geminis
The o
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We have 50/50 custody, a week at a time each. Although I do see my son every Wednesday night regardless of if its my week, and all summer I have him during the day every day since I don't work.

I grew up without my biological father and it hurt me, even though I was raised and adopted by my stepfather.

I think children need both their parents and all their family members in their lives. It's important to me that my son knows his dad, his grandparents, aunts, uncles, and cousins. We see them pretty often.



+1 and nice arrangement you got there with the ex. Was it a mutual agreement or the court's?
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We settled it amongst ourselves and just had it legalized by a lawyer.
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There was a study on female mice. Some females ate their newborns while other females cared for its offsprings. Study found that not all females have that natural maternal instinct.



majority rules. What was the percentage of those who ate?



Ill post it if I find the article.

True but you cant ignore the small percentage. Point is not all female mice had it.
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sure but nobody said they do/did. I think its interesting, what was the point of the study?
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I don't know that I buy into the whole women are more maternal than men.

My sons father (Gemini) is not a very nurturing person. Before we split up, he never really did much with our son. But since we split up, and he has to take care of the boy, he really has learned and is getting better. He might not win any awards for father of the year, but he's around in our sons life and our son does love him.

By contrast, my Scorp doesn't have any children of his own, but he is very protective and attentive with my son. He looks at what my son has on, will tell him if there's a hole in his shirt, or when my son comes out of the bathroom, he will ask him if he's washed his hands, stuff like that. Granted, my son is 9, but really he watches over him.



sounds like you got yourself a winner there, hold on tight lol. Few good men, so they say.
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My father was more of a mother to me than my mother.



who raised you & how is your relationship with the other party?



why do you think you respected women more? Was it the fact that, maybe you projected the 'untouchable' qualities that you saw in your mom to other females or is there more?



I respected tough women, I wanted to impress them. My mother felt like an emotionally impenetrable fortress sometimes, and I sought her approval both personally and through other women who I saw in a similar light, so you've nailed it. I'm sadly not so unfathomable, all of that is basic psych 101 😛
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lol ok
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Children need both parents around, even if both parents aren't together.


Men without fathers=recipe for disaster on all levels.



& how should parents do that, both be in their kid/s lives with separate lives? And do you really believe you last part? Why?


By not using the child as a chess piece . And keeping the lawyers etc out of it as much as possible and being adults. Figuring out which days/times to take the child. Also seeing both parents in situation together and at least being respectful like Capgirl said.

The problem I have is most adults with children are children themselves. Fk what your lawyer says and all that, be adults and hash that shyt out yourself.
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ok i see, you have a kid?
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Posted by Sutekh
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Children need both parents around, even if both parents aren't together.


Men without fathers=recipe for disaster on all levels.



& how should parents do that, both be in their kid/s lives with separate lives? And do you really believe you last part? Why?


By not using the child as a chess piece . And keeping the lawyers etc out of it as much as possible and being adults. Figuring out which days/times to take the child. Also seeing both parents in situation together and at least being respectful like Capgirl said.

The problem I have is most adults with children are children themselves. Fk what your lawyer says and all that, be adults and hash that shyt out yourself.



ok i see, you have a kid?

nope trying to hold off until like 45 🙂
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lol. Maybe you'll be like that 90+ year old 1st time indian father. Me & my friends were discussing the issue of people who decide to have kids when they're old. Some said it was a selfish deed cause they'll die before the kids reach their teens & another disadvantage is that they cant play around like young parents, etc. Advantage is that, financially they may be settled & have more time to devote to the kids. What do you think?