Lucifer the show.

I was wondering if Lucifer is a Sag but thought maybe more a Gemini. What do you think?

Tom Ellis is actually a Scorpio (both Sun and Venus). 😈

He does have Mars and Mercury in Sag (Neptune too - but that's a generational planet), tho... no Gemini placements. Unless his Moon falls in Gemini - but that's impossible to tell without the actual time of birth.

The actual Lucifer - doesn't have a star-sign - since he wasn't born on Earth (: then again - he's older than this universe - per se).

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The actual Lucifer - doesn't have a star-sign - since he wasn't born on Earth (: then again - he's older than this universe - per se).

i was meaning Lucifer. the way he acts.

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Posted by neves

The actual Lucifer - doesn't have a star-sign - since he wasn't born on Earth (: then again - he's older than this universe - per se).

i was meaning Lucifer. the way he acts.

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It's difficult to tell. The character in the tv show is a mish mash of everything so you can see a lot of signs represented. Taurus (excess), impulsiveness (Aries and Sag), fickle (Gemini).

In short, the character in the show is a mess. A lame assed bitch, nothing like the graphic novel version - cold, distant, prideful and calculative.

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Posted by neves

The actual Lucifer - doesn't have a star-sign - since he wasn't born on Earth (: then again - he's older than this universe - per se).

i was meaning Lucifer. the way he acts.

It's difficult to tell. The character in the tv show is a mish mash of everything so you can see a lot of signs represented. Taurus (excess), impulsiveness (Aries and Sag), fickle (Gemini).

In short, the character in the show is a mess. A lame assed bitch, nothing like the graphic novel version - cold, distant, prideful and calculative.

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very well put.

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Posted by neves

The actual Lucifer - doesn't have a star-sign - since he wasn't born on Earth (: then again - he's older than this universe - per se).

i was meaning Lucifer. the way he acts.

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Oh, you mean - astrological stereotypes... 🤔 In that case - he's quite heavy on Scorpio/Pluto.

For example:

- throughout the series he keeps displaying the famous Scorpio stare...



- he can act like a truth serum - by revealing people's deepest desires...



- he's an aid to the crime department, or at least - each of his cases revolve around the mystery of someone's death (he's practically a detective without a diploma)

- his character is obsessed with sex (the kinky stuff in particular - like BDSM) and everything taboo in nature, not to mention - the punishment of those he deems as evil

- he plays the role off the Devil - the ruler of the underworld - same as Pluto (Scorpio's ruling planet) - also known as Hades in ancient mythology

The main thing about him - that doesn't fit the Scorpio stereotype... he always tells the truth. And yes, he's also quite charming and jovial at times. But the latter - goes hand in hand with his evasive tendencies (sex, drugs and alcohol), somehow Neptunian or Pisces like... Last but not least - and this is a spoiler alert: the show revolves around Lucifer's revival (he's suppose to rise from the ashes of his former self) - and his real/deep love for Chloe Decker (his kryptonite). A Plutonic themed relationship - that is...



To be fair... he can be a Gemini that's heavy on Pluto (touching is personal planets). After all he's both an angel and the devil (like a Gemini - if you will).

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Posted by neves

The actual Lucifer - doesn't have a star-sign - since he wasn't born on Earth (: then again - he's older than this universe - per se).

i was meaning Lucifer. the way he acts.

It's difficult to tell. The character in the tv show is a mish mash of everything so you can see a lot of signs represented. Taurus (excess), impulsiveness (Aries and Sag), fickle (Gemini).

In short, the character in the show is a mess. A lame assed bitch, nothing like the graphic novel version - cold, distant, prideful and calculative.

Not to mention quite stupid.

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I gave up watching the show after season 2.

Probably because too much influence from reading the graphic novels, I was hoping for some creative projections from the graphic novels, but it only turned out to be nothing more than a crime tv series.

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Posted by neves

The actual Lucifer - doesn't have a star-sign - since he wasn't born on Earth (: then again - he's older than this universe - per se).

i was meaning Lucifer. the way he acts.

It's difficult to tell. The character in the tv show is a mish mash of everything so you can see a lot of signs represented. Taurus (excess), impulsiveness (Aries and Sag), fickle (Gemini).

In short, the character in the show is a mess. A lame assed bitch, nothing like the graphic novel version - cold, distant, prideful and calculative.

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That's true (there's little room for comparison between Lucifer's character from the graphic novel and one the from the show). To be honest - i'm not that fond of this version of Lucifer either (: despite of having his image as avatar - that choice was mainly inspired by that line: "Kidding! Sort of... "). For same reason: he comes of kinda dumb - especially for a being of his age... i mean, even among the average mortals - his intellect and wisdom seem to be below average... if anything he's struck by luck quite often - or at least that works for him more than thinking. On the other hand - the Lucifer from the graphical novel is like an embodiment of wisdom (that's his main trump card - all the other powers are next to that - or even far behind). Tully the most cunning being in this Universe (to him complexities seem plain seem plain). Personally - i enjoyed the psychological nature of this show (everything else was more of a filling - all the crime scenes and what not). And ofc - i would have preferred the version from the graphic novel - but i'm not sure that would appeal to the larger audience (even in the graphic novels - he was dumbed down here and there - through the mistakes he made). It's really hard to fit a character like that in a show - since the majority would struggle to follow his train of thoughts. For this reason - they tend to dumb down every character that's highly complex in terms of intellect - "turning them into geniuses - that make dumb mistakes on every corner..." One could say - that's the human nature - so they try to conform to the norm (or else they risk being misunderstood and unappreciated by the large audience - and that's bad for business).

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Posted by WitchmitchAries

Posted by neves

The actual Lucifer - doesn't have a star-sign - since he wasn't born on Earth (: then again - he's older than this universe - per se).

i was meaning Lucifer. the way he acts.

Oh, you mean - astrological stereotypes... 🤔 In that case - he's quite heavy on Scorpio/Pluto.

For example:

- throughout the series he keeps displaying the famous Scorpio stare...



- he can act like a truth serum - by revealing people's deepest desires...



- he's an aid to the crime department, or at least - each of his cases revolve around the mystery of someone's death (he's practically a detective without a diploma)

- his character is obsessed with sex (the kinky stuff in particular - like BDSM) and everything taboo in nature, not to mention - the punishment of those he deems as evil

- he plays the role off the Devil - the ruler of the underworld - same as Pluto (Scorpio's ruling planet) - also known as Hades in ancient mythology

The main thing about him - that doesn't fit the Scorpio stereotype... he always tells the truth. And yes, he's also quite charming and jovial at times. But the latter - goes hand in hand with his evasive tendencies (sex, drugs and alcohol), somehow Neptunian or Pisces like... Last but not least - and this is a spoiler alert: the show revolves around Lucifer's revival (he's suppose to rise from the ashes of his former self) - and his real/deep love for Chloe Decker (his kryptonite). A Plutonic themed relationship - that is...

To be fair... he can be a Gemini that's heavy on Pluto (touching is personal planets). After all he's both an angel and the devil (like a Gemini - if you will).

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now that makes since. I didnt think Scorp. i love it

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Posted by WitchmitchAries

Posted by neves

The actual Lucifer - doesn't have a star-sign - since he wasn't born on Earth (: then again - he's older than this universe - per se).

i was meaning Lucifer. the way he acts.

It's difficult to tell. The character in the tv show is a mish mash of everything so you can see a lot of signs represented. Taurus (excess), impulsiveness (Aries and Sag), fickle (Gemini).

In short, the character in the show is a mess. A lame assed bitch, nothing like the graphic novel version - cold, distant, prideful and calculative.

That's true (there's little room for comparison between Lucifer's character from the graphic novel and one the from the show). To be honest - i'm not that fond of this version of Lucifer either (: despite of having his image as avatar - that choice was mainly inspired by that line: "Kidding! Sort of... "). For same reason: he comes of kinda dumb - especially for a being of his age... i mean, even among the average mortals - his intellect and wisdom seem to be below average... if anything he's struck by luck quite often - or at least that works for him more than thinking. On the other hand - the Lucifer from the graphical novel is like an embodiment of wisdom (that's his main trump card - all the other powers are next to that - or even far behind). Tully the most cunning being in this Universe (to him complexities seem plain seem plain). Personally - i enjoyed the psychological nature of this show (everything else was more of a filling - all the crime scenes and what not). And ofc - i would have preferred the version from the graphic novel - but i'm not sure that would appeal to the larger audience (even in the graphic novels - he was dumbed down here and there - through the mistakes he made). It's really hard to fit a character like that in a show - since the majority would struggle to follow his train of thoughts. For this reason - they tend to dumb down every character that's highly complex in terms of intellect - "turning them into geniuses - that make dumb mistakes on every corner..." One could say - that's the human nature - so they try to conform to the norm (or else they risk being misunderstood and unappreciated by the large audience - and that's bad for business).

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i thought it was more of him being stuck in hell so long that he was more naive to the good stuff about humans. i was thinking that he had been around so many ass humans in hell that he never saw the good parts.

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Posted by Ram416

Posted by WitchmitchAries

Posted by neves

The actual Lucifer - doesn't have a star-sign - since he wasn't born on Earth (: then again - he's older than this universe - per se).

i was meaning Lucifer. the way he acts.

It's difficult to tell. The character in the tv show is a mish mash of everything so you can see a lot of signs represented. Taurus (excess), impulsiveness (Aries and Sag), fickle (Gemini).

In short, the character in the show is a mess. A lame assed bitch, nothing like the graphic novel version - cold, distant, prideful and calculative.

That's true (there's little room for comparison between Lucifer's character from the graphic novel and one the from the show). To be honest - i'm not that fond of this version of Lucifer either (: despite of having his image as avatar - that choice was mainly inspired by that line: "Kidding! Sort of... "). For same reason: he comes of kinda dumb - especially for a being of his age... i mean, even among the average mortals - his intellect and wisdom seem to be below average... if anything he's struck by luck quite often - or at least that works for him more than thinking. On the other hand - the Lucifer from the graphical novel is like an embodiment of wisdom (that's his main trump card - all the other powers are next to that - or even far behind). Tully the most cunning being in this Universe (to him complexities seem plain seem plain). Personally - i enjoyed the psychological nature of this show (everything else was more of a filling - all the crime scenes and what not). And ofc - i would have preferred the version from the graphic novel - but i'm not sure that would appeal to the larger audience (even in the graphic novels - he was dumbed down here and there - through the mistakes he made). It's really hard to fit a character like that in a show - since the majority would struggle to follow his train of thoughts. For this reason - they tend to dumb down every character that's highly complex in terms of intellect - "turning them into geniuses - that make dumb mistakes on every corner..." One could say - that's the human nature - so they try to conform to the norm (or else they risk being misunderstood and unappreciated by the large audience - and that's bad for business).

i thought it was more of him being stuck in hell so long that he was more naive to the good stuff about humans. i was thinking that he had been around so many ass humans in hell that he never saw the good parts.

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He wasn't trapped in Hell, Earth was his playground as well... Only Heaven is off limits. I mean, all thing consider - Lucifer's character (the wisest of all angels - but also a timeless being who witnessed/observed all sides of humanity - both the good and the bad) - should be pouring with wisdom. Somehow similar to this guy...



...the mentalist (when it comes to being a good judge of character - someone like Lucifer should be in top of the list).