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Posted by ImpulsvIncorrect. He put HIMSELF in that situation. If someone tells me to put myself in danger I would only do so IF I WANTED TOO.Posted by LadyNeptuneBy established case law if u put someone in danger ur responsible in intervining. The judge determine at the point she told him to get back in the car( already with carbon monoxide) she put him into that toxic situation now she is responsible to get helpPosted by brianafayStill it was only words. She didn't hand him a loaded gun.Posted by LadyNeptuneIs it that different ?Posted by brianafayDifference between murder and suicide.
Also
Brae Hansen - told her brother her step father was abusing her and convinced him to kill him.
Pamela Smart - convinced her student/lover to kill her husband so they could be together.
Both sentenced to life - didn't physically kill anyone...manipulated someone else to do it.
Doubt the victims' families think so
Trust me, I am all about personal responsibility - ultimately it was his decision to take his own life ...
But when you have someone that is already unstable and having irrational thoughts and you come along and tell them they're right, their family would be better off without them, and they should kill themselves to do everyone a favor - instruct them how- follow up to make sure it's done - scold them when they tell you they changed their mind and can't do it - remind them again how they're doing the "right thing" for "everyone" - and literally harass them until they finally go through with it --
You don't get to pretend you share no responsibility for the loss of a life
If we're gonna lock up everyone who told a suicidal person they should kill themselves our jails are gonna have more than an overcrowding problem...
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Posted by LadyNeptunePosted by brianafayStill it was only words. She didn't hand him a loaded gun.Posted by LadyNeptuneIs it that different ?Posted by brianafayDifference between murder and suicide.
Also
Brae Hansen - told her brother her step father was abusing her and convinced him to kill him.
Pamela Smart - convinced her student/lover to kill her husband so they could be together.
Both sentenced to life - didn't physically kill anyone...manipulated someone else to do it.
Doubt the victims' families think so
Trust me, I am all about personal responsibility - ultimately it was his decision to take his own life ...
But when you have someone that is already unstable and having irrational thoughts and you come along and tell them they're right, their family would be better off without them, and they should kill themselves to do everyone a favor - instruct them how- follow up to make sure it's done - scold them when they tell you they changed their mind and can't do it - remind them again how they're doing the "right thing" for "everyone" - and literally harass them until they finally go through with it --
You don't get to pretend you share no responsibility for the loss of a life
If we're gonna lock up everyone who told a suicidal person they should kill themselves our jails are gonna have more than an overcrowding problem...click to expand
I personally see a huge difference between saying "kill yourself" in a heated exchange vs what she did ...thankfully I'm not the only one who saw it that way
?? there is hope
she sounds like a very intelligent manipulative young woman who has no conscience of human life or does she care.
well whatever, I just hope the justice system does their job. and focus on what's important.
not on any manipulative bullshit that they try to go around on.
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I didn't even read much on the article but, it sounds like she got into this guy's head and fucked him up badly.
someone should have protected him.
well whatever, I just hope the justice system does their job. and focus on what's important.
not on any manipulative bullshit that they try to go around on.
edit
I didn't even read much on the article but, it sounds like she got into this guy's head and fucked him up badly.
someone should have protected him.
Posted by LadyNeptune
She made a suggestion. He DECIDED to take his own life.
I have no doubt she is a shitty person but she didn't commit murder. This is a witch hunt.
you can commit murder by that kind of manipulative tactic.
look at Jim Jones.
he convinced people to drink.
how the hell did he do that?
they did it willingly.
and people call it mass murder.
Posted by lisabethur8Not the same thing whatsoever.Posted by LadyNeptune
She made a suggestion. He DECIDED to take his own life.
I have no doubt she is a shitty person but she didn't commit murder. This is a witch hunt.
you can commit murder by that kind of manipulative tactic.
look at Jim Jones.
he convinced people to drink.
how the hell did he do that?
they did it willingly.
and people call it mass murder.
click to expand
He provided the cyanide laced juice and then asked them to drink.
He didn't just tell them to kill themselves he also provided the means.
Posted by LadyNeptunePosted by lisabethur8Not the same thing whatsoever.Posted by LadyNeptune
She made a suggestion. He DECIDED to take his own life.
I have no doubt she is a shitty person but she didn't commit murder. This is a witch hunt.
you can commit murder by that kind of manipulative tactic.
look at Jim Jones.
he convinced people to drink.
how the hell did he do that?
they did it willingly.
and people call it mass murder.
He provided the cyanide laced juice and then asked them to drink.
He didn't just tell them to kill themselves he also provided the means.click to expand
the result is the same. death.
Posted by ImpulsvShe didn't open the door and push him into the car. She merely told him too.
Example if you see a person drowning in the river u have no legal reason to intervene u can watch them die n still no legally obligated , morally another thing
But if u bumped into them n caused them to fall u watch n not seeking help puts u in legal responsibility
Not the same thing whatsoever.
He chose to jump, he wasn't physically pushed.
She should've gotten tried before a jury. I would've let her walk.
Posted by lisabethur8Suicide and murder have the same result. But they are not the same.Posted by LadyNeptunePosted by lisabethur8Not the same thing whatsoever.Posted by LadyNeptune
She made a suggestion. He DECIDED to take his own life.
I have no doubt she is a shitty person but she didn't commit murder. This is a witch hunt.
you can commit murder by that kind of manipulative tactic.
look at Jim Jones.
he convinced people to drink.
how the hell did he do that?
they did it willingly.
and people call it mass murder.
He provided the cyanide laced juice and then asked them to drink.
He didn't just tell them to kill themselves he also provided the means.
the result is the same. death.
click to expand
Posted by LadyNeptunePosted by lisabethur8Suicide and murder have the same result. But they are not the same.Posted by LadyNeptunePosted by lisabethur8Not the same thing whatsoever.Posted by LadyNeptune
She made a suggestion. He DECIDED to take his own life.
I have no doubt she is a shitty person but she didn't commit murder. This is a witch hunt.
you can commit murder by that kind of manipulative tactic.
look at Jim Jones.
he convinced people to drink.
how the hell did he do that?
they did it willingly.
and people call it mass murder.
He provided the cyanide laced juice and then asked them to drink.
He didn't just tell them to kill themselves he also provided the means.
the result is the same. death.
click to expand
what are you trying to convince us?
it doesn't matter. she is still a very bad person for pushing someone to death.
you don't do that to people.
Posted by GetMistedPosted by seraphWas he not all ready depressed and suicidal?Posted by GetMistedIsn't it that in this case (Carter) the individual repeatedly and coercively did this, rather than it being just a heated or off-hand remark? The sustained application of pressure.Posted by LadyNeptuneThinking back to how many times I've seen spousal arguments where one demanded the other (while intoxicated) to GTFO and go somewhere else.Posted by brianafayStill it was only words. She didn't hand him a loaded gun.Posted by LadyNeptuneIs it that different ?Posted by brianafayDifference between murder and suicide.
Also
Brae Hansen - told her brother her step father was abusing her and convinced him to kill him.
Pamela Smart - convinced her student/lover to kill her husband so they could be together.
Both sentenced to life - didn't physically kill anyone...manipulated someone else to do it.
Doubt the victims' families think so
Trust me, I am all about personal responsibility - ultimately it was his decision to take his own life ...
But when you have someone that is already unstable and having irrational thoughts and you come along and tell them they're right, their family would be better off without them, and they should kill themselves to do everyone a favor - instruct them how- follow up to make sure it's done - scold them when they tell you they changed their mind and can't do it - remind them again how they're doing the "right thing" for "everyone" - and literally harass them until they finally go through with it --
You don't get to pretend you share no responsibility for the loss of a life
If we're gonna lock up everyone who told a suicidal person they should kill themselves our jails are gonna have more than an overcrowding problem...
If that person kills someone in the process (manslaughter), would the person whom demanded they GTFO also be culpable?
If two friends in a car are driving around and the passenger is urging the driver to drive erratically.. and they accidentally hit and kill someone while doing so.. is the passenger also culpable and guilty of manslaughter?
It's a slippery slope
Every day bars and restaurants serve alcohol to folks putting well above the legal limit to drive. When that person leaves and drives home drunk.. in turn killing someone in the process.. it the bar/restaurant culpable?click to expand
Not even remotely related
Is it the bar/restaurants intent that these people hey are serving die —
Posted by lisabethur8I never said she wasn't a bad person. In fact I said she was shitty somewhere around page 2.Posted by LadyNeptunePosted by lisabethur8Suicide and murder have the same result. But they are not the same.Posted by LadyNeptunePosted by lisabethur8Not the same thing whatsoever.Posted by LadyNeptune
She made a suggestion. He DECIDED to take his own life.
I have no doubt she is a shitty person but she didn't commit murder. This is a witch hunt.
you can commit murder by that kind of manipulative tactic.
look at Jim Jones.
he convinced people to drink.
how the hell did he do that?
they did it willingly.
and people call it mass murder.
He provided the cyanide laced juice and then asked them to drink.
He didn't just tell them to kill themselves he also provided the means.
the result is the same. death.
what are you trying to convince us?
it doesn't matter. she is still a very bad person for pushing someone to death.
you don't do that to people.
click to expand
But she isn't responsible for his suicide.
You can't push someone to death with words unless they really don't want to be alive in the first place.
Posted by GetMistedRight!?Posted by LadyNeptuneThinking back to how many times I've seen spousal arguments where one demanded the other (while intoxicated) to GTFO and go somewhere else.Posted by brianafayStill it was only words. She didn't hand him a loaded gun.Posted by LadyNeptuneIs it that different ?Posted by brianafayDifference between murder and suicide.
Also
Brae Hansen - told her brother her step father was abusing her and convinced him to kill him.
Pamela Smart - convinced her student/lover to kill her husband so they could be together.
Both sentenced to life - didn't physically kill anyone...manipulated someone else to do it.
Doubt the victims' families think so
Trust me, I am all about personal responsibility - ultimately it was his decision to take his own life ...
But when you have someone that is already unstable and having irrational thoughts and you come along and tell them they're right, their family would be better off without them, and they should kill themselves to do everyone a favor - instruct them how- follow up to make sure it's done - scold them when they tell you they changed their mind and can't do it - remind them again how they're doing the "right thing" for "everyone" - and literally harass them until they finally go through with it --
You don't get to pretend you share no responsibility for the loss of a life
If we're gonna lock up everyone who told a suicidal person they should kill themselves our jails are gonna have more than an overcrowding problem...
If that person kills someone in the process (manslaughter), would the person whom demanded they GTFO also be culpable?
If two friends in a car are driving around and the passenger is urging the driver to drive erratically.. and they accidentally hit and kill someone while doing so.. is the passenger also culpable and guilty of manslaughter?
It's a slippery slopeclick to expand
If words alone are so powerful than our President needs to be locked up for rape at the very least.
gosh...
do you realize how propaganda is sooooo powerful?? Remember history and Hitler's propaganda?
they used words.
that is on mass media level without internet.
we all have to be careful and be responsible for what we say and do.
none of us are perfect but we can try everyday to be aware of our actions.
do you realize how propaganda is sooooo powerful?? Remember history and Hitler's propaganda?
they used words.
that is on mass media level without internet.
we all have to be careful and be responsible for what we say and do.
none of us are perfect but we can try everyday to be aware of our actions.
Posted by LadyNeptunething is I get the feeling a lot of people don't take him seriously.Posted by GetMistedRight!?Posted by LadyNeptuneThinking back to how many times I've seen spousal arguments where one demanded the other (while intoxicated) to GTFO and go somewhere else.Posted by brianafayStill it was only words. She didn't hand him a loaded gun.Posted by LadyNeptuneIs it that different ?Posted by brianafayDifference between murder and suicide.
Also
Brae Hansen - told her brother her step father was abusing her and convinced him to kill him.
Pamela Smart - convinced her student/lover to kill her husband so they could be together.
Both sentenced to life - didn't physically kill anyone...manipulated someone else to do it.
Doubt the victims' families think so
Trust me, I am all about personal responsibility - ultimately it was his decision to take his own life ...
But when you have someone that is already unstable and having irrational thoughts and you come along and tell them they're right, their family would be better off without them, and they should kill themselves to do everyone a favor - instruct them how- follow up to make sure it's done - scold them when they tell you they changed their mind and can't do it - remind them again how they're doing the "right thing" for "everyone" - and literally harass them until they finally go through with it --
You don't get to pretend you share no responsibility for the loss of a life
If we're gonna lock up everyone who told a suicidal person they should kill themselves our jails are gonna have more than an overcrowding problem...
If that person kills someone in the process (manslaughter), would the person whom demanded they GTFO also be culpable?
If two friends in a car are driving around and the passenger is urging the driver to drive erratically.. and they accidentally hit and kill someone while doing so.. is the passenger also culpable and guilty of manslaughter?
It's a slippery slope
If words alone are so powerful than our President needs to be locked up for rape at the very least.
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like he has a clown.
She may not be solely responsible for his death but she absolutely shares responsibility !
Not only was she aware of intent to harm himself and chose not to report it or intervene, she actually coaxed him to do so, planned it for him, and even so after he made it clear he had changed his mind and was backing out
Not only was she aware of intent to harm himself and chose not to report it or intervene, she actually coaxed him to do so, planned it for him, and even so after he made it clear he had changed his mind and was backing out
Posted by LadyNeptunePosted by lisabethur8Not the same thing whatsoever.Posted by LadyNeptune
She made a suggestion. He DECIDED to take his own life.
I have no doubt she is a shitty person but she didn't commit murder. This is a witch hunt.
you can commit murder by that kind of manipulative tactic.
look at Jim Jones.
he convinced people to drink.
how the hell did he do that?
they did it willingly.
and people call it mass murder.
He provided the cyanide laced juice and then asked them to drink.
He didn't just tell them to kill themselves he also provided the means.click to expand
he made them do it - there were armed soldiers surrounding the camp - many did not want to do it and tried to get away but couldn't - how awful
Posted by LadyNeptuneshe was responsible for his life.Posted by ImpulsvShe didn't open the door and push him into the car. She merely told him too.
Example if you see a person drowning in the river u have no legal reason to intervene u can watch them die n still no legally obligated , morally another thing
But if u bumped into them n caused them to fall u watch n not seeking help puts u in legal responsibility
Not the same thing whatsoever.
He chose to jump, he wasn't physically pushed.click to expand
Posted by lisabethur8How so?Posted by LadyNeptuneshe was responsible for his life.Posted by ImpulsvShe didn't open the door and push him into the car. She merely told him too.
Example if you see a person drowning in the river u have no legal reason to intervene u can watch them die n still no legally obligated , morally another thing
But if u bumped into them n caused them to fall u watch n not seeking help puts u in legal responsibility
Not the same thing whatsoever.
He chose to jump, he wasn't physically pushed.
click to expand
She's responsible for her own life and him for his.
Posted by GetMistedPosted by lisabethur8She was also prescribed and currently taking a black box warning drug during all of this..Posted by LadyNeptunePosted by lisabethur8Suicide and murder have the same result. But they are not the same.Posted by LadyNeptunePosted by lisabethur8Not the same thing whatsoever.Posted by LadyNeptune
She made a suggestion. He DECIDED to take his own life.
I have no doubt she is a shitty person but she didn't commit murder. This is a witch hunt.
you can commit murder by that kind of manipulative tactic.
look at Jim Jones.
he convinced people to drink.
how the hell did he do that?
they did it willingly.
and people call it mass murder.
He provided the cyanide laced juice and then asked them to drink.
He didn't just tell them to kill themselves he also provided the means.
the result is the same. death.
what are you trying to convince us?
it doesn't matter. she is still a very bad person for pushing someone to death.
you don't do that to people.
As I said earlier in the thread.. I expect her attorney to turn around and sue the physician that prescribed her an SSRI for an eating disorder.click to expand
what the hell?
:/
Posted by lisabethur8Like I said earlier, it's a witch hunt. We hold a young girl to a higher standard than our own President.Posted by LadyNeptunething is I get the feeling a lot of people don't take him seriously.Posted by GetMistedRight!?Posted by LadyNeptuneThinking back to how many times I've seen spousal arguments where one demanded the other (while intoxicated) to GTFO and go somewhere else.Posted by brianafayStill it was only words. She didn't hand him a loaded gun.Posted by LadyNeptuneIs it that different ?Posted by brianafayDifference between murder and suicide.
Also
Brae Hansen - told her brother her step father was abusing her and convinced him to kill him.
Pamela Smart - convinced her student/lover to kill her husband so they could be together.
Both sentenced to life - didn't physically kill anyone...manipulated someone else to do it.
Doubt the victims' families think so
Trust me, I am all about personal responsibility - ultimately it was his decision to take his own life ...
But when you have someone that is already unstable and having irrational thoughts and you come along and tell them they're right, their family would be better off without them, and they should kill themselves to do everyone a favor - instruct them how- follow up to make sure it's done - scold them when they tell you they changed their mind and can't do it - remind them again how they're doing the "right thing" for "everyone" - and literally harass them until they finally go through with it --
You don't get to pretend you share no responsibility for the loss of a life
If we're gonna lock up everyone who told a suicidal person they should kill themselves our jails are gonna have more than an overcrowding problem...
If that person kills someone in the process (manslaughter), would the person whom demanded they GTFO also be culpable?
If two friends in a car are driving around and the passenger is urging the driver to drive erratically.. and they accidentally hit and kill someone while doing so.. is the passenger also culpable and guilty of manslaughter?
It's a slippery slope
If words alone are so powerful than our President needs to be locked up for rape at the very least.
like he has a clown.click to expand
Posted by LadyNeptuneI don't know, there are really highly intelligent people (who don't take drugs) and they can convince someone to do anything.Posted by lisabethur8How so?Posted by LadyNeptuneshe was responsible for his life.Posted by ImpulsvShe didn't open the door and push him into the car. She merely told him too.
Example if you see a person drowning in the river u have no legal reason to intervene u can watch them die n still no legally obligated , morally another thing
But if u bumped into them n caused them to fall u watch n not seeking help puts u in legal responsibility
Not the same thing whatsoever.
He chose to jump, he wasn't physically pushed.
She's responsible for her own life and him for his.click to expand
look at Charles manson.
Hitler, and if you notice a lot of serial killers have very high I.Q.
they have this ability to destroy someone or choose to do right and not.
but in their cases, some are mentally disturbed, have mental illness/psychotic,
or they are just full of hate and putridness and take revenge, like, that of Ted budny who wanted to kill women and destroy them, take their lust and desire, and dreams thinking they have found a good looking man who will love them, and he murders them.
Posted by LadyNeptunefour years is too long.Posted by lisabethur8Like I said earlier, it's a witch hunt. We hold a young girl to a higher standard than our own President.Posted by LadyNeptunething is I get the feeling a lot of people don't take him seriously.Posted by GetMistedRight!?Posted by LadyNeptuneThinking back to how many times I've seen spousal arguments where one demanded the other (while intoxicated) to GTFO and go somewhere else.Posted by brianafayStill it was only words. She didn't hand him a loaded gun.Posted by LadyNeptuneIs it that different ?Posted by brianafayDifference between murder and suicide.
Also
Brae Hansen - told her brother her step father was abusing her and convinced him to kill him.
Pamela Smart - convinced her student/lover to kill her husband so they could be together.
Both sentenced to life - didn't physically kill anyone...manipulated someone else to do it.
Doubt the victims' families think so
Trust me, I am all about personal responsibility - ultimately it was his decision to take his own life ...
But when you have someone that is already unstable and having irrational thoughts and you come along and tell them they're right, their family would be better off without them, and they should kill themselves to do everyone a favor - instruct them how- follow up to make sure it's done - scold them when they tell you they changed their mind and can't do it - remind them again how they're doing the "right thing" for "everyone" - and literally harass them until they finally go through with it --
You don't get to pretend you share no responsibility for the loss of a life
If we're gonna lock up everyone who told a suicidal person they should kill themselves our jails are gonna have more than an overcrowding problem...
If that person kills someone in the process (manslaughter), would the person whom demanded they GTFO also be culpable?
If two friends in a car are driving around and the passenger is urging the driver to drive erratically.. and they accidentally hit and kill someone while doing so.. is the passenger also culpable and guilty of manslaughter?
It's a slippery slope
If words alone are so powerful than our President needs to be locked up for rape at the very least.
like he has a clown.click to expand
Posted by lisabethur8Right.Posted by LadyNeptuneI don't know, there are really highly intelligent people (who don't take drugs) and they can convince someone to do anything.Posted by lisabethur8How so?Posted by LadyNeptuneshe was responsible for his life.Posted by ImpulsvShe didn't open the door and push him into the car. She merely told him too.
Example if you see a person drowning in the river u have no legal reason to intervene u can watch them die n still no legally obligated , morally another thing
But if u bumped into them n caused them to fall u watch n not seeking help puts u in legal responsibility
Not the same thing whatsoever.
He chose to jump, he wasn't physically pushed.
She's responsible for her own life and him for his.
look at Charles manson.
Hitler, and if you notice a lot of serial killers have very high I.Q.
they have this ability to destroy someone or choose to do right and not.
but in their cases, some are mentally disturbed, have mental illness/psychotic,
or they are just full of hate and putridness and take revenge, like, that of Ted budny who wanted to kill women and destroy them, take their lust and desire, and dreams thinking they have found a good looking man who will love them, and he murders them.
click to expand
But none of those examples are even remotely the same as this case.
Those were mirdering rapists sociopaths. This is a young girl who TOLD her boyfriend/ex/whatever to end his life.
Murder does not = suicide.
Posted by LadyNeptunePosted by lisabethur8Right.Posted by LadyNeptuneI don't know, there are really highly intelligent people (who don't take drugs) and they can convince someone to do anything.Posted by lisabethur8How so?Posted by LadyNeptuneshe was responsible for his life.Posted by ImpulsvShe didn't open the door and push him into the car. She merely told him too.
Example if you see a person drowning in the river u have no legal reason to intervene u can watch them die n still no legally obligated , morally another thing
But if u bumped into them n caused them to fall u watch n not seeking help puts u in legal responsibility
Not the same thing whatsoever.
He chose to jump, he wasn't physically pushed.
She's responsible for her own life and him for his.
look at Charles manson.
Hitler, and if you notice a lot of serial killers have very high I.Q.
they have this ability to destroy someone or choose to do right and not.
but in their cases, some are mentally disturbed, have mental illness/psychotic,
or they are just full of hate and putridness and take revenge, like, that of Ted budny who wanted to kill women and destroy them, take their lust and desire, and dreams thinking they have found a good looking man who will love them, and he murders them.
But none of those examples are even remotely the same as this case.
Those were mirdering rapists sociopaths. This is a young girl who TOLD her boyfriend/ex/whatever to end his life.
Murder does not = suicide.click to expand
it doesn't matter. it's still murder.
you can convince someone and they will kill themselves.
I am not too adept with law and the ins and outs of it, but i'm sure there is something in the law books about that.
and for us mortals here who aren't lawyers, we just know by conscience and having humanity you don't do that shit.
Posted by GetMistedPosted by lisabethur8So if he told all the libtards in the country to kill themselves tonight.. and they all actually do it..Posted by LadyNeptunething is I get the feeling a lot of people don't take him seriously.Posted by GetMistedRight!?Posted by LadyNeptuneThinking back to how many times I've seen spousal arguments where one demanded the other (while intoxicated) to GTFO and go somewhere else.Posted by brianafayStill it was only words. She didn't hand him a loaded gun.Posted by LadyNeptuneIs it that different ?Posted by brianafayDifference between murder and suicide.
Also
Brae Hansen - told her brother her step father was abusing her and convinced him to kill him.
Pamela Smart - convinced her student/lover to kill her husband so they could be together.
Both sentenced to life - didn't physically kill anyone...manipulated someone else to do it.
Doubt the victims' families think so
Trust me, I am all about personal responsibility - ultimately it was his decision to take his own life ...
But when you have someone that is already unstable and having irrational thoughts and you come along and tell them they're right, their family would be better off without them, and they should kill themselves to do everyone a favor - instruct them how- follow up to make sure it's done - scold them when they tell you they changed their mind and can't do it - remind them again how they're doing the "right thing" for "everyone" - and literally harass them until they finally go through with it --
You don't get to pretend you share no responsibility for the loss of a life
If we're gonna lock up everyone who told a suicidal person they should kill themselves our jails are gonna have more than an overcrowding problem...
If that person kills someone in the process (manslaughter), would the person whom demanded they GTFO also be culpable?
If two friends in a car are driving around and the passenger is urging the driver to drive erratically.. and they accidentally hit and kill someone while doing so.. is the passenger also culpable and guilty of manslaughter?
It's a slippery slope
If words alone are so powerful than our President needs to be locked up for rape at the very least.
like he has a clown.
Is he culpable? Or is he still just a clown?click to expand
there's something about him where you just know you can't take that mouth seriously.
and when you can tell you can.
it's highly offensive though. I don't like it. but the u.s. majority hired him.
Posted by lisabethur8If that's the case we need to lock up every person who has ever told someone suicidal that they should end it.Posted by LadyNeptunePosted by lisabethur8Right.Posted by LadyNeptuneI don't know, there are really highly intelligent people (who don't take drugs) and they can convince someone to do anything.Posted by lisabethur8How so?Posted by LadyNeptuneshe was responsible for his life.Posted by ImpulsvShe didn't open the door and push him into the car. She merely told him too.
Example if you see a person drowning in the river u have no legal reason to intervene u can watch them die n still no legally obligated , morally another thing
But if u bumped into them n caused them to fall u watch n not seeking help puts u in legal responsibility
Not the same thing whatsoever.
He chose to jump, he wasn't physically pushed.
She's responsible for her own life and him for his.
look at Charles manson.
Hitler, and if you notice a lot of serial killers have very high I.Q.
they have this ability to destroy someone or choose to do right and not.
but in their cases, some are mentally disturbed, have mental illness/psychotic,
or they are just full of hate and putridness and take revenge, like, that of Ted budny who wanted to kill women and destroy them, take their lust and desire, and dreams thinking they have found a good looking man who will love them, and he murders them.
But none of those examples are even remotely the same as this case.
Those were mirdering rapists sociopaths. This is a young girl who TOLD her boyfriend/ex/whatever to end his life.
Murder does not = suicide.
it doesn't matter. it's still murder.
you can convince someone and they will kill themselves.
I am not too adept with law and the ins and outs of it, but i'm sure there is something in the law books about that.
and for us mortals here who aren't lawyers, we just know by conscience and having humanity you don't do that shit.
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Instead of focusing on real criminals.
Crazy how it's words over actions with you guys. What about 1st Ammendment rights?
Posted by LadyNeptuneDear, would you tell a struggling alcoholic to go to the bar to make new friends?Posted by ImpulsvIncorrect. He put HIMSELF in that situation. If someone tells me to put myself in danger I would only do so IF I WANTED TOO.Posted by LadyNeptuneBy established case law if u put someone in danger ur responsible in intervining. The judge determine at the point she told him to get back in the car( already with carbon monoxide) she put him into that toxic situation now she is responsible to get helpPosted by brianafayStill it was only words. She didn't hand him a loaded gun.Posted by LadyNeptuneIs it that different ?Posted by brianafayDifference between murder and suicide.
Also
Brae Hansen - told her brother her step father was abusing her and convinced him to kill him.
Pamela Smart - convinced her student/lover to kill her husband so they could be together.
Both sentenced to life - didn't physically kill anyone...manipulated someone else to do it.
Doubt the victims' families think so
Trust me, I am all about personal responsibility - ultimately it was his decision to take his own life ...
But when you have someone that is already unstable and having irrational thoughts and you come along and tell them they're right, their family would be better off without them, and they should kill themselves to do everyone a favor - instruct them how- follow up to make sure it's done - scold them when they tell you they changed their mind and can't do it - remind them again how they're doing the "right thing" for "everyone" - and literally harass them until they finally go through with it --
You don't get to pretend you share no responsibility for the loss of a life
If we're gonna lock up everyone who told a suicidal person they should kill themselves our jails are gonna have more than an overcrowding problem...
Iclick to expand
Would you encourage a drug addict to go hang out on skid row?
Or if someone is threatening suicide by jumping off a building or the Golden Gate, would you stand there and tell them to jump, that they would be better off doing so?
"Just words" is a piss poor excuse to say this chick isn't responsible.
Dude had serious psychological issues and she was preying on that weakness to have some control over the situation. The fact you think she's not responsible for any of the psycho shit she did is disturbing. I agree that it may not be 10-20 years worthy when rapists get less, but she DOES have responsibility in this situation and should be punished. That kid was having second thoughts, but she continued to manipulate him into doing it. His parents would still have their son if she hadn't meddled.
Posted by FireThat's his usual go to, yet proclaims himself this great debater. Talking in circles =/= great anything. Just good at manipulating people into thinking you're right when you're clearly wrong.Posted by GetMistedDude, I don't like going in circles. You can't tell me her intent wasn't to kill him. Repetitive text messages, insisting, pressuring him, guilt tripping him, using his family etc. The list goes on.Posted by FireWould I be charged with conspiracy to commit murder if I did?
What we should really be discussing is how the price of life is not as high as we all thought it is was. This young ladies actions and the responses from those that are defending her proves this.
The reason why it is murder is because it's a fact that depression will cause brain damage just like alcohol.
Depression impairs you... Just like alcohol.
Would you tell a drunk person to walk into a busy street with cars going 45-65 miles per hour?
I've already stated my position. I don't want to keep going in circles.
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Posted by rabidtalkerI'm honestly glad. She pushed him repeatedly with her texts and even seemed to get upset that he didn't kill him self. Who knows what she verbally said to him during the phone calls. I. An only imagine based off the written texts.
GUILTY
They are citing
State ex rel. Kuntz v. Montana Thirteenth Judicial Dist. Court, 2000 MT 22, 298 Mont. 146, 154, 995 P.2d 951 (2000)
that says "where one's actions create a life-threatening risk to another, there is a duty to take reasonable steps to alleviate the risk."
Posted by LadyNeptuneRead the text messages....Posted by brianafayStill it was only words. She didn't hand him a loaded gun.Posted by LadyNeptuneIs it that different ?Posted by brianafayDifference between murder and suicide.
Also
Brae Hansen - told her brother her step father was abusing her and convinced him to kill him.
Pamela Smart - convinced her student/lover to kill her husband so they could be together.
Both sentenced to life - didn't physically kill anyone...manipulated someone else to do it.
Doubt the victims' families think so
Trust me, I am all about personal responsibility - ultimately it was his decision to take his own life ...
But when you have someone that is already unstable and having irrational thoughts and you come along and tell them they're right, their family would be better off without them, and they should kill themselves to do everyone a favor - instruct them how- follow up to make sure it's done - scold them when they tell you they changed their mind and can't do it - remind them again how they're doing the "right thing" for "everyone" - and literally harass them until they finally go through with it --
You don't get to pretend you share no responsibility for the loss of a life
If we're gonna lock up everyone who told a suicidal person they should kill themselves our jails are gonna have more than an overcrowding problem...click to expand
Posted by GetMistedI thought a bar/bartender could be held culpable if they kept serving someone that was impaired and they in turn hurt or kill another? If it was proven they knew yet kept pouring... maybe not I don't know much about law tbh.Posted by brianafayYou are offering them the means to commit a crime.. be it accidentally killing someone while drunk behind the wheel or themselves.Posted by GetMistedPosted by seraphWas he not all ready depressed and suicidal?Posted by GetMistedIsn't it that in this case (Carter) the individual repeatedly and coercively did this, rather than it being just a heated or off-hand remark? The sustained application of pressure.Posted by LadyNeptuneThinking back to how many times I've seen spousal arguments where one demanded the other (while intoxicated) to GTFO and go somewhere else.Posted by brianafayStill it was only words. She didn't hand him a loaded gun.Posted by LadyNeptuneIs it that different ?Posted by brianafayDifference between murder and suicide.
Also
Brae Hansen - told her brother her step father was abusing her and convinced him to kill him.
Pamela Smart - convinced her student/lover to kill her husband so they could be together.
Both sentenced to life - didn't physically kill anyone...manipulated someone else to do it.
Doubt the victims' families think so
Trust me, I am all about personal responsibility - ultimately it was his decision to take his own life ...
But when you have someone that is already unstable and having irrational thoughts and you come along and tell them they're right, their family would be better off without them, and they should kill themselves to do everyone a favor - instruct them how- follow up to make sure it's done - scold them when they tell you they changed their mind and can't do it - remind them again how they're doing the "right thing" for "everyone" - and literally harass them until they finally go through with it --
You don't get to pretend you share no responsibility for the loss of a life
If we're gonna lock up everyone who told a suicidal person they should kill themselves our jails are gonna have more than an overcrowding problem...
If that person kills someone in the process (manslaughter), would the person whom demanded they GTFO also be culpable?
If two friends in a car are driving around and the passenger is urging the driver to drive erratically.. and they accidentally hit and kill someone while doing so.. is the passenger also culpable and guilty of manslaughter?
It's a slippery slope
Every day bars and restaurants serve alcohol to folks putting well above the legal limit to drive. When that person leaves and drives home drunk.. in turn killing someone in the process.. it the bar/restaurant culpable?
Not even remotely related
Is it the bar/restaurants intent that these people hey are serving die —
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Posted by GetMistedSooo much grey area.Posted by justagirlEven if they don't keep pouring, it's still painfully obvious when someone is over the limit.Posted by GetMistedI thought a bar/bartender could be held culpable if they kept serving someone that was impaired and they in turn hurt or kill another? If it was proven they knew yet kept pouring... maybe not I don't know much about law tbh.Posted by brianafayYou are offering them the means to commit a crime.. be it accidentally killing someone while drunk behind the wheel or themselves.Posted by GetMistedPosted by seraphWas he not all ready depressed and suicidal?Posted by GetMistedIsn't it that in this case (Carter) the individual repeatedly and coercively did this, rather than it being just a heated or off-hand remark? The sustained application of pressure.Posted by LadyNeptuneThinking back to how many times I've seen spousal arguments where one demanded the other (while intoxicated) to GTFO and go somewhere else.Posted by brianafayStill it was only words. She didn't hand him a loaded gun.Posted by LadyNeptuneIs it that different ?Posted by brianafayDifference between murder and suicide.
Also
Brae Hansen - told her brother her step father was abusing her and convinced him to kill him.
Pamela Smart - convinced her student/lover to kill her husband so they could be together.
Both sentenced to life - didn't physically kill anyone...manipulated someone else to do it.
Doubt the victims' families think so
Trust me, I am all about personal responsibility - ultimately it was his decision to take his own life ...
But when you have someone that is already unstable and having irrational thoughts and you come along and tell them they're right, their family would be better off without them, and they should kill themselves to do everyone a favor - instruct them how- follow up to make sure it's done - scold them when they tell you they changed their mind and can't do it - remind them again how they're doing the "right thing" for "everyone" - and literally harass them until they finally go through with it --
You don't get to pretend you share no responsibility for the loss of a life
If we're gonna lock up everyone who told a suicidal person they should kill themselves our jails are gonna have more than an overcrowding problem...
If that person kills someone in the process (manslaughter), would the person whom demanded they GTFO also be culpable?
If two friends in a car are driving around and the passenger is urging the driver to drive erratically.. and they accidentally hit and kill someone while doing so.. is the passenger also culpable and guilty of manslaughter?
It's a slippery slope
Every day bars and restaurants serve alcohol to folks putting well above the legal limit to drive. When that person leaves and drives home drunk.. in turn killing someone in the process.. it the bar/restaurant culpable?
Not even remotely related
Is it the bar/restaurants intent that these people hey are serving die —
Are they legally obligated to call the police and inform them of someone who just left while intoxicated?click to expand
Posted by CaramelizedCoffeeYes lets send her to prison and turn her into an ACTUAL criminal. Prison doesn't rehabilitate, it traps and enslaves.Posted by LadyNeptunereally. she shouldn't walk anywhere, she needs prison sentence, not long one, but enough to really get it through her fuked up brain, that there is something very deeply wrong with her
She should've gotten tried before a jury. I would've let her walk.
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Posted by rockyroadicecreamYou misunderstand me.Posted by LadyNeptuneDear, would you tell a struggling alcoholic to go to the bar to make new friends?Posted by ImpulsvIncorrect. He put HIMSELF in that situation. If someone tells me to put myself in danger I would only do so IF I WANTED TOO.Posted by LadyNeptuneBy established case law if u put someone in danger ur responsible in intervining. The judge determine at the point she told him to get back in the car( already with carbon monoxide) she put him into that toxic situation now she is responsible to get helpPosted by brianafayStill it was only words. She didn't hand him a loaded gun.Posted by LadyNeptuneIs it that different ?Posted by brianafayDifference between murder and suicide.
Also
Brae Hansen - told her brother her step father was abusing her and convinced him to kill him.
Pamela Smart - convinced her student/lover to kill her husband so they could be together.
Both sentenced to life - didn't physically kill anyone...manipulated someone else to do it.
Doubt the victims' families think so
Trust me, I am all about personal responsibility - ultimately it was his decision to take his own life ...
But when you have someone that is already unstable and having irrational thoughts and you come along and tell them they're right, their family would be better off without them, and they should kill themselves to do everyone a favor - instruct them how- follow up to make sure it's done - scold them when they tell you they changed their mind and can't do it - remind them again how they're doing the "right thing" for "everyone" - and literally harass them until they finally go through with it --
You don't get to pretend you share no responsibility for the loss of a life
If we're gonna lock up everyone who told a suicidal person they should kill themselves our jails are gonna have more than an overcrowding problem...
I
Would you encourage a drug addict to go hang out on skid row?
Or if someone is threatening suicide by jumping off a building or the Golden Gate, would you stand there and tell them to jump, that they would be better off doing so?
"Just words" is a piss poor excuse to say this chick isn't responsible.
Dude had serious psychological issues and she was preying on that weakness to have some control over the situation. The fact you think she's not responsible for any of the psycho shit she did is disturbing. I agree that it may not be 10-20 years worthy when rapists get less, but she DOES have responsibility in this situation and should be punished. That kid was having second thoughts, but she continued to manipulate him into doing it. His parents would still have their son if she hadn't meddled.click to expand
I'm not arguing that what she did isn't wrong. It's incredibly fucked up. But I don't think she should be tried as being an accessory to murder.
"Dear, would you tell a struggling alcoholic to go to the bar to make new friends?
Would you encourage a drug addict to go hang out on skid row?
Or if someone is threatening suicide by jumping off a building or the Golden Gate, would you stand there and tell them to jump, that they would be better off doing so?"
If you did tell and encourage any of these actions, while it makes you a shitty human being, it doesn't make you responsible for that person's choices.
Posted by GetMistedPosted by brianafayYou are offering them the means to commit a crime.. be it accidentally killing someone while drunk behind the wheel or themselves.Posted by GetMistedPosted by seraphWas he not all ready depressed and suicidal?Posted by GetMistedIsn't it that in this case (Carter) the individual repeatedly and coercively did this, rather than it being just a heated or off-hand remark? The sustained application of pressure.Posted by LadyNeptuneThinking back to how many times I've seen spousal arguments where one demanded the other (while intoxicated) to GTFO and go somewhere else.Posted by brianafayStill it was only words. She didn't hand him a loaded gun.Posted by LadyNeptuneIs it that different ?Posted by brianafayDifference between murder and suicide.
Also
Brae Hansen - told her brother her step father was abusing her and convinced him to kill him.
Pamela Smart - convinced her student/lover to kill her husband so they could be together.
Both sentenced to life - didn't physically kill anyone...manipulated someone else to do it.
Doubt the victims' families think so
Trust me, I am all about personal responsibility - ultimately it was his decision to take his own life ...
But when you have someone that is already unstable and having irrational thoughts and you come along and tell them they're right, their family would be better off without them, and they should kill themselves to do everyone a favor - instruct them how- follow up to make sure it's done - scold them when they tell you they changed their mind and can't do it - remind them again how they're doing the "right thing" for "everyone" - and literally harass them until they finally go through with it --
You don't get to pretend you share no responsibility for the loss of a life
If we're gonna lock up everyone who told a suicidal person they should kill themselves our jails are gonna have more than an overcrowding problem...
If that person kills someone in the process (manslaughter), would the person whom demanded they GTFO also be culpable?
If two friends in a car are driving around and the passenger is urging the driver to drive erratically.. and they accidentally hit and kill someone while doing so.. is the passenger also culpable and guilty of manslaughter?
It's a slippery slope
Every day bars and restaurants serve alcohol to folks putting well above the legal limit to drive. When that person leaves and drives home drunk.. in turn killing someone in the process.. it the bar/restaurant culpable?
Not even remotely related
Is it the bar/restaurants intent that these people hey are serving die —
click to expand
You're reaching
So do gun dealers
smfh - suicide by texting ? wtf - both parties are/were pretty unbalanced - she is older now - about 20
he was suicidal and unfortunately he had her as a friend - what does this mean for future cases I wonder
so she gets manslaughter and will be sentenced to less than 20 years they think - out on bond until august
stop the world I want to get off
he was suicidal and unfortunately he had her as a friend - what does this mean for future cases I wonder
so she gets manslaughter and will be sentenced to less than 20 years they think - out on bond until august
stop the world I want to get off
Posted by PVJamzinadvertently: without intention; accidentally.
My pity level for this girl who told her dying boyfriend to get back in the car and finish killing himself is pretty low. Those up in arms about her conviction are probably nervous because they're equally shitty people and worried about the 13 reasons why they could inadvertedly become responsible for someone else's death. Damn, do better.
Posted by PVJamzYes when you physically kill someone. Not when you tell them to kill themselves.Posted by LadyNeptunePosted by PVJamzinadvertently: without intention; accidentally.
My pity level for this girl who told her dying boyfriend to get back in the car and finish killing himself is pretty low. Those up in arms about her conviction are probably nervous because they're equally shitty people and worried about the 13 reasons why they could inadvertedly become responsible for someone else's death. Damn, do better.
Yes, that's why it's called involuntary manslaughter.
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Words do not = action.
Jim Carey AHEM!
Posted by PVJamzI guess we are arguing the severity of her charges. Theres no doubt that she is a horrible person for saying what she did...but is it worthy of the involuntary manslaughter charge.??Posted by LadyNeptuneTechnology is changing things. There are even states where charges can be made against cyber bullies. Sticks and stones no more.Posted by PVJamzYes when you physically kill someone. Not when you tell them to kill themselves.Posted by LadyNeptunePosted by PVJamzinadvertently: without intention; accidentally.
My pity level for this girl who told her dying boyfriend to get back in the car and finish killing himself is pretty low. Those up in arms about her conviction are probably nervous because they're equally shitty people and worried about the 13 reasons why they could inadvertedly become responsible for someone else's death. Damn, do better.
Yes, that's why it's called involuntary manslaughter.
Words do not = action.click to expand
I don't believe it is.
Posted by PVJamzSo we've established she didn't physically do anything.Posted by LadyNeptunePosted by PVJamzI guess we are arguing the severity of her charges. Theres no doubt that she is a horrible person for saying what she did...but is it worthy of the involuntary manslaughter charge.??Posted by LadyNeptuneTechnology is changing things. There are even states where charges can be made against cyber bullies. Sticks and stones no more.Posted by PVJamzYes when you physically kill someone. Not when you tell them to kill themselves.Posted by LadyNeptunePosted by PVJamzinadvertently: without intention; accidentally.
My pity level for this girl who told her dying boyfriend to get back in the car and finish killing himself is pretty low. Those up in arms about her conviction are probably nervous because they're equally shitty people and worried about the 13 reasons why they could inadvertedly become responsible for someone else's death. Damn, do better.
Yes, that's why it's called involuntary manslaughter.
Words do not = action.
I don't believe it is.
The law is catching up with technology. She didn't physically push him back in the car, but she was reckless and did nothing to help. I feel that she deserves it.
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Her crime is not helping. Her crime is inciting. Ergo the punishment should fit the crime. Involuntary manslaughter is the wrong charge here.
Posted by GetMistedPosted by brianafayYou still share responsibility of a life being taken.Posted by GetMistedPosted by brianafayYou are offering them the means to commit a crime.. be it accidentally killing someone while drunk behind the wheel or themselves.Posted by GetMistedPosted by seraphWas he not all ready depressed and suicidal?Posted by GetMistedIsn't it that in this case (Carter) the individual repeatedly and coercively did this, rather than it being just a heated or off-hand remark? The sustained application of pressure.Posted by LadyNeptuneThinking back to how many times I've seen spousal arguments where one demanded the other (while intoxicated) to GTFO and go somewhere else.Posted by brianafayStill it was only words. She didn't hand him a loaded gun.Posted by LadyNeptuneIs it that different ?Posted by brianafayDifference between murder and suicide.
Also
Brae Hansen - told her brother her step father was abusing her and convinced him to kill him.
Pamela Smart - convinced her student/lover to kill her husband so they could be together.
Both sentenced to life - didn't physically kill anyone...manipulated someone else to do it.
Doubt the victims' families think so
Trust me, I am all about personal responsibility - ultimately it was his decision to take his own life ...
But when you have someone that is already unstable and having irrational thoughts and you come along and tell them they're right, their family would be better off without them, and they should kill themselves to do everyone a favor - instruct them how- follow up to make sure it's done - scold them when they tell you they changed their mind and can't do it - remind them again how they're doing the "right thing" for "everyone" - and literally harass them until they finally go through with it --
You don't get to pretend you share no responsibility for the loss of a life
If we're gonna lock up everyone who told a suicidal person they should kill themselves our jails are gonna have more than an overcrowding problem...
If that person kills someone in the process (manslaughter), would the person whom demanded they GTFO also be culpable?
If two friends in a car are driving around and the passenger is urging the driver to drive erratically.. and they accidentally hit and kill someone while doing so.. is the passenger also culpable and guilty of manslaughter?
It's a slippery slope
Every day bars and restaurants serve alcohol to folks putting well above the legal limit to drive. When that person leaves and drives home drunk.. in turn killing someone in the process.. it the bar/restaurant culpable?
Not even remotely related
Is it the bar/restaurants intent that these people hey are serving die —
You're reaching
So do gun dealers
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I think intent matters
WHat was the verdict?
Posted by PVJamzMe either.Posted by LadyNeptunePosted by PVJamzSo we've established she didn't physically do anything.Posted by LadyNeptunePosted by PVJamzI guess we are arguing the severity of her charges. Theres no doubt that she is a horrible person for saying what she did...but is it worthy of the involuntary manslaughter charge.??Posted by LadyNeptuneTechnology is changing things. There are even states where charges can be made against cyber bullies. Sticks and stones no more.Posted by PVJamzYes when you physically kill someone. Not when you tell them to kill themselves.Posted by LadyNeptunePosted by PVJamzinadvertently: without intention; accidentally.
My pity level for this girl who told her dying boyfriend to get back in the car and finish killing himself is pretty low. Those up in arms about her conviction are probably nervous because they're equally shitty people and worried about the 13 reasons why they could inadvertedly become responsible for someone else's death. Damn, do better.
Yes, that's why it's called involuntary manslaughter.
Words do not = action.
I don't believe it is.
The law is catching up with technology. She didn't physically push him back in the car, but she was reckless and did nothing to help. I feel that she deserves it.
Her crime is not helping. Her crime is inciting. Ergo the punishment should fit the crime. Involuntary manslaughter is the wrong charge here.
I don't really care about this female. She's not going to do any time.
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I'm more concerned with the precedent this ruling will set.
Posted by LadyNeptuneOmg having a major are you fucking kidding momentPosted by PVJamzinadvertently: without intention; accidentally.
My pity level for this girl who told her dying boyfriend to get back in the car and finish killing himself is pretty low. Those up in arms about her conviction are probably nervous because they're equally shitty people and worried about the 13 reasons why they could inadvertedly become responsible for someone else's death. Damn, do better.
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What wasn't intentional about what she did?
She accidentally urged him to kill himself?
Posted by brianafayI'm defining PV's words. Calm down sparky.Posted by LadyNeptuneOmg having a major are you fucking kidding momentPosted by PVJamzinadvertently: without intention; accidentally.
My pity level for this girl who told her dying boyfriend to get back in the car and finish killing himself is pretty low. Those up in arms about her conviction are probably nervous because they're equally shitty people and worried about the 13 reasons why they could inadvertedly become responsible for someone else's death. Damn, do better.
What wasn't intentional about what she did?
She accidentally urged him to kill himself?
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