Pisceans -- what do you find appealing?

Hi, and bear with me, it's my first time posting. I'm crazy about a Pisces boy who laid it on really thick and seemed to really like me, then just as he'd managed to get his hooks into my heart swam away. Maybe I simply took too long letting myself like him (this was the first time I'd been at all attracted to someone since my divorce, so yeah, I was a little skittish. Now part of me is wishing I'd stayed skittish!)

So I'm really curious -- what do you find appealing in a partner? Not what's going to get you in bed with someone for one night, but seriously, what qualities do you look for? What things turn you off? Do you prefer being wooed/chased/charmed or left alone till *you* decide you want to pursue? Help a girl out, here! Please?

The Pisces guys I know seem to prefer women who are independent and have their shit together, but who are also very feminine in appearance and have a nurturing spirit. They also appreciate a woman who is upfront and honest. They will pursue, but not if they think it is a lost cause. All water men fear making themselves vulnerable too much to do so if they don't intuit that they're attentions will be favorably received. And they sometimes do not realize when a woman is flirting with them (this is true for the women, too). Sometimes, you really have to hit us over the head with a brick to let us know you're interested.

I'm sure the guys swimming around here will offer you some more insight. Perhaps this fish just didn't realize you were as into him as you really are. I would recommend trying a more blunt approach.

Sadly, I'm a Gemini, supposedly a horrible combo for Pisces. Ironically enough, though, our combined chart is very promising (might be the scorpio rising, moon in Aquarius, Venus in Cancer or all the Taurus scattered through my chart -- and interestingly enough, the huge majority of his planets are in fire signs...)

I've known very, very few Pisces in my life and almost everything I've read about them seems contradictory to me. Be independent, but let him know you need him. Reassure him constantly, but don't be clingy. Be distant, so he'll chase you. Make him comfortable, so he trusts you. So yeah, I've given up on astrological advice and decided to come straight to the source :-)

I do know there's something there still -- he hasn't moved on entirely, at least not yet. He still comes peeking out of his hole every now and again. He's looking for something from me, and I'm not sure what it is. Crazy enough about him to give him my heart on a silver platter, if he wanted it. Not, however, to hand over my entire life! :p But yeah, if I can figure out what it is he wants, I'll do my best to provide it.

Provided, of course, he treats me well 😉

Kudos to your last comment Days, second paragraph,that sums up a lot of me and not always proud to admit it it but true...

Yeah, we are contradictions...but so are Gems. It's the mutable energy. We're all emotionally ambidextrous! 🙂

I suspect what he wants from you is the reassurance. Give it a test and see what happens. 😉

Yeah, the oddest thing is I suspect 'catching' him would be impossible. For some reason I always kind of picture him as a bird, something small and exotic, that'll break its own wings trying to escape any cage it was put in. But maybe, if I sit reeeeeally still and that little bird decides to trust me, it'll come settle on my shoulder for a while.

Of course, I have to work against my own ego and wants -- I mean, a girl could get real tired of sitting there alone, waiting for a bird to stop fluttering and land. And in my heart of hearts, I want someone who thinks *I'm* that special and worth that kind of effort, too. Of course, he really did have to just about turn cartwheels to get my attention in the first place...

Posted by impromptu
Yeah, the oddest thing is I suspect 'catching' him would be impossible. For some reason I always kind of picture him as a bird, something small and exotic, that'll break its own wings trying to escape any cage it was put in. But maybe, if I sit reeeeeally still and that little bird decides to trust me, it'll come settle on my shoulder for a while.

LOL! It is so crazy that you say that...because it's exactly how I see Gems. Would you be astonished to discover that ::whispers:: he's prolly thinking the same exact thing about you? :: 😉

Sea Siren, I think you're right. Or at least, being a Gemini I'm of a temperament to hazard it all at one throw :-) I'm supposed to see him tonight -- I think I'm gonna just flat out tell him and then skedaddle out of there and leave him to think about it a while :-)

What do you think?

hey Days I got a sag one, ha moon that is but honestly i think it the Pisces prevailng!!!

sorry prevailing

Pisceans -- what do you find appealing?




A man with rythym

Posted by impromptu
Sea Siren, I think you're right. Or at least, being a Gemini I'm of a temperament to hazard it all at one throw :-) I'm supposed to see him tonight -- I think I'm gonna just flat out tell him and then skedaddle out of there and leave him to think about it a while :-)

What do you think?

Why skedaddle? If he's not ready to give a response just then, just change the subject to something you both enjoy talking about. No reason why you can't enjoy each other's company for the rest of the evening. Good luck! 😉

I would be grinning like a loon to find out he felt that way about me. But honestly I suspect that most of the affection is probably on this side. While I'm fairly sure he's still intrigued by me, I'm not at all certain he actually *knows* me -- he may be entranced by some vision in his head and when he realizes I'm *not* that and goes swimming off for good, I suspect I'm gonna be one sad little Gem. I'm not trying to put on any masks or mislead him or anything else, nor do I want to pretend to be anything I'm not just to capture his affection (what good would that do when eventually he'll realize it's an act?) -- but the nicest dog in the world will bite you if you approach it wrong, so at the very least, I'd like to keep my 'approach' as non-threatening to him as possible.

He's such a beautiful mess, I swear. Truly, both beautiful and an absolute mess. God help me and give me patience :-)

PiscesPrincess, yep. Hey, with this little fishy I'll take every bit of insight I can get!

Me:
Sun Gemini 11.27 Ascendant Scorpio 23.24
Moon Aquarius 23.41 II Sagittarius 24.07
Mercury Taurus 18.11 III Aquarius 0.18
Venus Cancer 6.38 R IV Pisces 7.16
Mars Taurus 18.48 V Aries 8.38
Jupiter Taurus 11.56 VI Taurus 3.22
Saturn Pisces 4.54 VII Taurus 23.24
Uranus Virgo 6.05 VIII Gemini 24.07
Neptune Scorpio 15.48 R IX Leo 0.18
Pluto Virgo 11.38 Midheaven Virgo 7.16
Lilith Sagittarius 15.30 XI Libra 8.38
Asc node Cancer 2.11 XII Scorpio 3.22

Him:

Sun Pisces 17.37
Moon Libra 3.54
Mercury Aries 2.13
Venus Aries 21.43
Mars Aries 24.56
Jupiter Aquarius 6.29
Saturn Scorpio 28.08 R
Uranus Sagittarius 17.54
Neptune Capricorn 3.25
Pluto Scorpio 4.29 R
Lilith Aries 20.25
Asc node Taurus 20.30

Unfortunately, I'm not experienced enough to interpret any of that, really. All I know is he's water with a lot of fire, I'm air with a lot of water and earth...

And Sea Siren, well, I have my chickenshit moments, too, lol! And I'd hate to crowd him, ya know? And hell, if one of us is going to disappear, I'd rather it be me. It's not a date, it's a group outing. And I'd hate for him to be sitting there feeling horrid and uncomfortable and wishing to be somewhere else.

Gotta go wash the henna out of my hair. I'm turning back into a redhead for the evening. Guys, thank you so much for taking the time with me. This is important to me (maybe more important than it should be) and I really appreciate it. I'll check back in after I get the henna out of my hair, and in the meantime, one more question for you, if I can:

What's one thing a guy or girl has done in the past to 'romance' you that knocked your socks off in a BIG way??

PiscesPrincess, I'll take every scrap of help and advice I can get!

Yeah -- that's why he had to practically turn cartwheels to get my attention. And then it took even longer before I'd even seriously let myself consider it. No way on this green earth was I going to get involved with someone so much younger than me!

Then I turned around one day and discovered that slippery little bastard had already stolen my heart right out of my chest ;p Now he's alternating between trying to scare me away, grinning like a doofus when I show up unexpectedly (so long as I don't let on I *see* him grinning), disappearing for days on end, and getting this little happy smile on his face whenever I do something nice for him. Acting like he got goosed with a cattle prod, basically. Somehow it's not reading as disinterest to me, but he's already flailing around so much the last thing I want to do is startle him straight into flying into a wall or something.

Days22, if I could be so bold, what's something a woman has done that's really caught your attention? (In a good way, I mean!)

Yeah, keeping permanently isn't an issue -- the age gap is too big, I'm quite sure :-) But I do feel like we've got a few things to give each other in the short term, at least.

So bold isn't a problem for you, I take it? ;p That's a serious question -- I tend to be a bit dominant, but I've been trying to rein it in...

Hey guys! I just wanted to stop back in and say thank you so much for all the help, encouragement, and responses. It really helped :-) No, no huge breakthroughs or anything, but I'm finding myself more able to sort of center inside myself and simply be there, if that makes sense. We're extremely aware of each other on this very quiet, almost invisible level and I can feel him watching me. He's looking for something in particular, and all I can do really is be there and let him look until he decides whatever it is he's looking for is there or not. Days22, although I think you're right and one of the things he *did* originally respond to was my rather dominant nature (although, being a Gemini, of course this merely mirrors the soft, shy side of me that needs lots of cuddling :p), it feels to me like we've moved on to a different part of the game. So yeah, pretty much all I'm doing is being in his company (along with other company) and letting him watch.

I reacted very badly the first couple of times he disappeared -- and hey, I'll just throw this out there for the heck of it: Pisces folks? Um, we kinda take it personally when you disappear :-) Just a brief note or message would be fine, you know, sort of a "Hey, I'm crawling into my hole. I'll plan to look you up Tuesday...although it might be Friday...unless I decide I want to see you tonight instead... But anyway, it isn't you." would be VERY welcome! :-) But anyway, having figured out it's NOT personal, it is a bit easier to take. A little. That might be one of the things he's watching to see, I don't know.

Kinda feel like I'm getting sniffed over by a tiger, here. Or maybe I'm the worm twisting on the hook while the catfish decides whether or not to bite :p Either way, though, it's all good and THANK YOU again for your help on Tuesday!

PURE GOL😱 "Pisces folks? Um, we kinda take it personally when you disappear :-) Just a brief note or message would be fine, you know, sort of a "Hey, I'm crawling into my hole. I'll plan to look you up Tuesday...although it might be Friday...unless I decide I want to see you tonight instead... But anyway, it isn't you." would be VERY welcome! :-)"

However, most of us don't realize that we SHOULD do this... some of us eventually do, especially if we (I lol) have found myself on the receiving end of some righteous hurt and fury because I needed to sink to the depths of my ocean for awhile and ignore the world. Maybe it's because I didn't know how to identify "that time" being imminent... if I don't realize it's coming, it blindsides me.. it's like I'm a submarine suddenly under massive attack MAYDAY MAYDAY! DIVE DIVE DIVE!... cuz I tended to give and give and give.. AND absorb all the conflicting negative energies around me.. suddenly.. Whoops, I'm full up, can't take anymore, abort mission, abort!.. can't even form the thought that I need to dive (it's just blind instinct by then, NOT a conscious decision!), much less express it to someone else (who probably deserves to know what's going on AND that it isn't personal!) As I got older and more experienced with my need for solitude, what triggers it, and how to FEEL it coming on... I can express it to the one who might be most definitely hurt by my swish-swish-gone-to-lunch-for-days defense mechanism. but honestly? not my friends so much... it's difficult enough for me to feel it coming, and express it to my nearest and dearest that it's about to happen. Again. Cuz I know it bothers them. Cuz it makes me feel so MEAN, so THOUGHTLESS. Cuz I don't want to hurt people... and I'm still terrible at informing FRIENDS of this.

I am (AS WE SPEAK HERE) engaged in a text fight with an old friend who lives in TN now... he's PISSED off.. I haven't contacted him in awhile, weeks probably.. I've been busy.. and I keep myself busy instead of worrying why so-and-so hasn't called lately.. and he texted me today, all pissy and butthurt cuz I do this to him.. cuz FRIENDS DON'T DISAPPEAR LIKE THAT! He's a Sag though.. I had another Sag friend and she was very much like this too.. I was a SHITTY FRIEND cuz I didn't talk to her as often as she'd like, and I never initiated conversations! *sigh*

LOL not even close, Pesca :-) It's taken me a couple of months of intense observation to even begin to comprehend a bit of the Pisces psyche. Not *understand*, mind you -- just comprehend :p

Nefer, I can actually relate a lot. I go through horrible depressive phases sometimes when I feel completely overwhelmed, and yeah, they can pounce pretty damn unexpectedly. It took a long time to really get that forcing myself to pick up the phone anyway was something I needed to do, because my friends worried (and sometimes felt slighted) if I didn't. Of course, one of the reasons my bestest friends *are* my bestest friends is because they've dealt with all my shit and love me anyway :-) But because they HAVE dealt with all my shit and love me anyway, I owe them the courtesy of a quick phone call even when I don't feel like talking. But yeah, it took me a while to learn that one, too :-) I'm really REALLY glad you took my comment in the spirit it was intended!

Dunno if I'm ever gonna land this particular fishy, honestly, but even if I don't it's definitely been a learning experience and overall mostly a pleasure getting to know him. I care about him no matter what, but if it's not meant to be then it's not meant to be, and that's okay :-) He is really special to me, though -- I hope he gets that.

"Dunno if I'm ever gonna land this particular fishy, honestly, but even if I don't it's definitely been a learning experience and overall mostly a pleasure getting to know him. I care about him no matter what, but if it's not meant to be then it's not meant to be, and that's okay :-) He is really special to me, though -- I hope he gets that."

I love that, it's a wonderful attitude to have. 🙂

Posted by impromptu
Of course, one of the reasons my bestest friends *are* my bestest friends is because they've dealt with all my shit and love me anyway :-)

YES!

Plenty of people find they simply cannot handle being friends with someone who simply never makes the friendship a priority over other stuff... add my need for solitude and recharging and my refusal to allow their "help" (I can usually handle it MYSELF, or I will ASK!)... I'm quite Aqua-like in some ways, but not the one that values friendships almost over anything else.

I have TWO best friends... a Virgo for 30 years, and a Sag for 20 years. I would give either woman BOTH of my kidneys, or hide a body in my freezer for her LOL Why are they my very best friends ever? Because we can go weeks (or months) without actually speaking sometimes, and have over the years.. and when we DO talk again, we spend a couple hours getting "caught up" and just continue on .. and they never, ever makes me feel bad or guilty for being the way I am.. they love me anyway!

Posted by impromptu
But because they HAVE dealt with all my shit and love me anyway, I owe them the courtesy of a quick phone call even when I don't feel like talking.

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NO! At least, not for me. My true friends know and understand this about me. I do not OWE them anything for my needing to shut down for awhile. Just like THEY owe me nothing for being any of the multitude of ways people are! We love and accept each other, with ALL of our graces and flaws!

When a friend (like the couple other Sag friends I mentioned yesterday) gets SO upset about me not behaving as they WANT me to in friendship (lots of contact, near-daily calls/txts.. telling them my troubles and letting them "help")... if they come at me all pissy and butthurt, making me WRONG for being the way I am... well, it backfires. I don't do guilt. I don't let them trigger me with their declarations of "shitty friend" because I don't do things the way they do. After all, THEY don't do "friendship" like *I* do, right? To me a friend is based in FEELING, not ACTION... but to the two Sags I mentioned, friendship was conditional and depended on how much I was willing to talk to them, and if I would initiate calls/texts instead of being fine with long silences and just trying to pick up where we left off. They say, "If I didn't call/txt you just now, I'd have NEVER heard from you again!"... first.. they don't KNOW that.. and secondly, it's not true. But clearly I do not call soon enough while they're all pouty and having a hissy fit, stubbornly waiting for me to call to prove I care. (SO passive-aggressive!) The angry fits leave me cold and unmoved, and I'm likely to dig my heels in and NOT want to talk to them when they're being like that.. so it escalates. Ones who DON'T understand me like my Sag & Virgo BFFs do will keep blowing things up, insisting that I must CHANGE to be friends with them.. and of course, I won't do that. The Sag female, no longer my friend. The Sag male -- he's self-destructing and has done this before, taken away our friendship because I do not give him enough attention. W/e.

As bad as this might sound.. I don't NEED friendship, esp not with most people. Truly. So threatening me with taking away the friendship because I am not being the kind of friend you like? Backfires. I'll dig my heels in stubbornly and will LET you destroy what could have been the deepest and most loyal friendship you've ever known. And then you'll have to ask someone else to hide the body. 😉

Posted by LadyLibra12

To be honest, I've had water sign friends ignore me too and it DOES bother me quite a bit. I wish that I could talk more about it, but I don't feel comfortable writing about it (publicly, anyway) in greater detail.

There's nothing that I can do about it, though. It's unrealistic of them to expect me to just put up with this. I don't deserve to be treated this way: I have not done this to them. I HATE being treated like a friend of convenience and a disposable person who can be thrown away and picked up at will. I HATE IT.

Water sign people, if you are going to be 'in the ocean' for awhile, PLEASE give your friends a heads-up. It will save EVERYONE a lot of trouble and we would appreciate it. You don't have to give us any more details than that: just let us know that you are OK so that we don't worry about you and so that we know that you're going to come back.

You know I like you so much, LL! I'm going to TRY to show the Water pov here...

There's nothing that I can do about it, though. It's unrealistic of friends to expect me to be something I'm not, to be ANGRY with me for not being a certain way. I don't deserve to be treated this way: I have not done this to them - I do not yell at them or make them feel guilty when they "finally" call me. I HATE being treated like a conditional friend and a disposable person who can be thrown away because I'm not like they want me to be. I HATE IT.

Other sign people (esp Air and Fire!), if you see we are 'in our ocean' for awhile, PLEASE understand it's not personal - most of us would TELL you if it was YOU. It will save BOTH OF US a lot of trouble and we would appreciate being accepted and understood, even if we are not perfect. You don't have to give us any more than that: just let us know that you are OK with loving us despite our flaws and differences... so that we don't worry about you (on top of everything else going on!) and so that we know that you're going to love us and be our friend anyway, even if we piss you off with some of the things we do... like we love you, unconditionally.

Nefer, I didn't mean owe in that sense. I mean I care about them a lot and they deserve that courtesy from me *because* I love them, that's all. And God knows we go weeks and months without talking, sometimes :-) But yeah, the spat you're in right now sounds both unhealthy and unpleasant. Not that I haven't been chewed out by my buds on occasion! (and the two occasions I can think of at the moment, I royally deserved it...) But both times it was really clear that it was coming from a place of love, not manipulation, which it kinda sounds like what you're going through is.

I dunno -- like I said, I haven't known many Pisces :-) I only have a few really close friends in my life, and for myself I've learned that I'm happier when I try and treat them with the same love and caring they've shown me over the years, even when I'm in one of my cocoon phases. But that's something that goes both ways and these people have been friends for decades, so...

Pesca, thank you. Right now I'm taking some quiet time -- I got a bit distracted there for a while! (what can I say? He really *is* pretty distracting! :p) Whatever happens, it's all good, and if it ever feels like the right time, maybe I'll tell him. I'd like to. But if it's not where he wants to be, then hey. And if it *is* where he wants to be, well, he knows where I live 😉

Awww, LL... that Cancer Moon and Scorp Venus makes you very emotional and crave closeness in friendships, as I'm sure you know. Superficial friendships don't do it for you.. then your Libra demands balance and reciprocation, and it seems some of them keep falling short in that dept! Most people won't have your emotional depth and will keep disappointing you.

But some of your Water friends sound.. well, selfish and immature (you're young, right?)... it's NOT friendship when they dump their sorrows on you, but don't share the joys. It's NOT friendship to use you like a therapist or a punching bag. I didn't mean "conditional" as in having certain standards.. everyone should have standards. I meant conditional as in the way certain "friends" of mine have been... they claim to be my friend, but then the "friendship" depends on me changing or being more like them.. they want to tell me who I can hang out with or be friends with, they want to tell me how to run my life and what I "should" do, spend long hours on the phone (almost DAILY, and I don't like talking on the phone).. they (passive-aggressively) want ME to send random texts to "prove" they mean something to me (I have a busy life, and simply don't sit around brooding over who I haven't heard from lately and deciding to text them. If they haven't contacted me in a bit, I assume they're busy too. No problem, we can catch up later.) And no matter how many times I explain it's not personal, they still take it personally! I mean, why become friends with me, if I'm not the kind of friend you want? It's not like I change and suddenly stop doing things I used to or something. And hey, I understand that some people want a more involved, constant-contact, hours and hours on the phone, OMG-Totally-My-BFF-Forevarr type friendship. That's just not me, never was me. So why become "friends" with someone who can't give you what you want/need for friendship? Do you just become friends with me to see if you can MAKE ME INTO the kind of friend your old BFF Forevarr was? It baffles me.

I'm a VERY good friend to people, and I do not do any of the "using" stuff you describe... but YES, there are times when I'm overwhelmed or drained and I just need quiet time for a day or three. And yes, a lot of times it happens without any warning, so I DON'T call up my friends and go, "I'm feeling stressed right now, so I'm going to cocoon with a good book or three for a couple days. I'll call you Tuesday or something." But some of those "friends" get totally PISSED come Tuesday when they go, "Hey - I didn't hear from you all weekend. What did you do? Did you go out? How come you didn't call me and ask me to go?" And I say, "I was feeling a bit stressed. Stayed home and read a book. Caught up on sleep. It was nice." And they go, "Whaaaaaat?!?! How come you never tell ME when you need help with a problem?! How come you didn't call ME to talk about it?" And I say, "Awww, thanks for the concern, but I didn't need help. I just needed some alone time. I'm fine now. How are you? How was your weekend?" And they go, "OH NO, don't change the subject! You're a shitty friend! You went all weekend without calling me, but I was WAITING to see if you'd call me, so I didn't call you first! And I was right -- if I didn't call you first, we'd never, ever talk! That's not friendship!" And I say quietly, "I needed some Me Time. I called you today, remember?" And they yell, "Oh, big whoop! That's not what I mean! You never call me, ever!" By then, I'm getting pretty upset and I snap, "Listen to what you're saying - it doesn't even make any sense. I have to go now, but you're welcome to call back later after you calm down." (P.S. That was a real convo I had with the ex Sag friend. No joke.) But I've had similar talks with others.. which makes me think I attract teh crazies. o.o

As an example, my female Sag (ex) friend would called while I was vegging and recharging, and I didn't answer her calls (I was napping and turned my ringer down lol), she began leaving VM's which started out pissy and rude and got steadily worse. She blew my phone up, filled my VM inbox.. It was ugly. Later, I called her back and she was still in a fine tizzy, saying I'm a shitty friend cuz I'm never there for her. (What? I just spent THREE hours on the phone with her two days before, listening to her bitch and whine about everything under the sun -- which MAY HAVE triggered me needing a couple days to myself!) She insisted that I come stay with her for a few days (an hour and a half away).. and I told her I can't right then, kids weren't on school break yet. She blew up. (Turned out her husband was bitching, and she wanted ME to come help her clean HER house. Which I might help with, if you ASK me!) That wasn't the end of our friendship, but that was the beginning of the end. (It ended when she told me she can't be friends with me because she didn't like the guy I was dating. I said OK, no problem. She was FURIOUS that I didn't break up with the guy to stay friends with her. But by then, I didn't want her friendship anymore.) That was a VERY unhealthy and one-sided friendship. My Sag guy friend is a LITTLE better, but still.. he's passive-aggressive... pouts and steams, waiting for ME to call/txt HIM (while he's apparently ignoring me for a reaction? I had no idea!) then he'll go.. "I thought we were friends. But I guess I'm not your friend. You never call me. It's been two weeks. Friends don't do that! You're a lousy friend!" I respond, "Adam, I apologize for being busy lately. School just started again and it's a madhouse here. Anyway, how are you?" he'll shoot back, "You should have sent me a "How are you?" text sometime in the last two weeks, it's TOO LATE now!" And I say, "Adam, please don't be like this. If you want to talk and haven't heard from me, CALL ME. It's that easy." And he goes, "What I WANT is for YOU to WANT to call ME, but you're always sooo "busy".. well, I'm busy too, but I can make time to talk to my FRIENDS!" I sigh and say, "I make time to talk to you too.. I just don't flip out when I haven't heard from you for a few days, I assume you're busy." Aaaand.. it escalates.. kinda like with the other Sag... when these two wanted something and don't get exactly what they wanted, exactly when they wanted it, it gets ugly and STAYS ugly.

Yup, it's official - I attract teh crazies. lol And (like me) you need to pick better people for friends, LL! xox

Also, this: "These people have not invited me to do anything with them in public since we have been friends: obviously, they are deeply ashamed of me and don't wish to be seen with me. I can't blame them: I'm ashamed of me too for not having accomplished my biggest goal in life and for not being where I want to be just yet (and, try as I might, more obstacles just keep getting thrown in my way)."


Oh, LL, there's so much deep-rooted insecurity there... basically you're saying YOU think you suck, so why shouldn't they?! Because you haven't accomplished some big goal in life? Things have happened, held you back, preventing you from accomplishing whatever this is.. and so you.. what? Don't deserve good friendships and relationships? You shouldn't be HURT when people mistreat you? You should accept their behaviors (at least until you can't anymore?!) It's understandable when people treat you like shit or are ASHAMED to be seen with you?

NO, it's NOT. It's really NOT. Your inner view of yourself, your Nasty Voice, is telling you lies. You DO deserve the best.. and not because of what you've accomplished or done in your life.. you deserve the best because of what you ARE, inside. The rest is just window dressing, not the real product.

LL, there's NO SUCH THING as a thread hog. (Unless you're going off-topic with foolishness and nastiness, which you aren't!) What you and I (and others.. *crickets* Wut happen? Where you all go?) are doing is discussing certain Piscean traits (on the Pisces boards!).. and giving information and MANY points of view and food for thought for anyone coming here... maybe someone struggling with their own Pisces friend.. maybe a Pisces struggling to understand and express how these certain traits affect them and their friendships/relationships.

We are harbingers of information - we shall work single-mindedly to shed light on such murky topics as the *gasp* inner workings of the mysterious Pisces mind 😉