krysrenee7
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Profile Q&A for Nefer
What are your thoughts on abortion?
I am staunchly Pro-Choice. I would not, could not ever have one for myself. However, I do not have the right to make such a private and personal decision for someone else.
What are your thoughts on abortion?
I am staunchly Pro-Choice. I would not, could not ever have one for myself. However, I do not have the right to make such a private and personal decision for someone else.
^what the marine life said
I agree with Nefer, I never could myself. I do not judge someone for doing it because I don't know what their reasons are. But it does make me sad.
You can not inpose a ruling principle an authoritative rule on people.
That said being an atheist I am pro life
Why if this is all there is I believe everything should have its chance at life.
That said being an atheist I am pro life
Why if this is all there is I believe everything should have its chance at life.
Pro-choice and pro-death penalty.
Posted by Nefer
Profile Q&A for Nefer
What are your thoughts on abortion?
I am staunchly Pro-Choice. I would not, could not ever have one for myself. However, I do not have the right to make such a private and personal decision for someone else.
ditto
Posted by OvSp
The most horrible thing a woman can do.
I can think of worse......like say having it, letting it breathe life, then leaving it somewhere to die.
OR the drug addicts that get pregnant, continue to do them while pregnant, and have the child anyways knowing the problems it will have.
I agree it is really horrible though. Unthinkable for me. But I'm not going to judge another woman...I'm not in her shoes.
I think about victims of incest and rape........God knows what I would do. I'd never want to have to make the same decision.
Posted by krysrenee7
Most people have very STRONG opinions about
Most people have very strong opinions about everything .. if you like the opinion then it's support, if you dont like the opinion then it's judgement.
Death of the flesh means nothing .. this isn't our true existence .. so whether a fetus lives for dies doesn't mean anything in the whole scheme of things.
As usual though, people put importance on living in the body eventhough they are continually told not to .... :::shrugs :::
Opinions on this topic is irrelevant because it means nothing.
I am only for abortion in extreme cases like rape, for example. I do though agree that bringing a child into this world knowing up front that you can't provide emotionally/physically and/or psychologically for them is just as much murder as an abortion is. By bringing them into this world, they are just dying a much slower death.
I don't agree that just b/c a woman is on drugs during her pregnancy that she should automatically abort the baby. Is there a chance that the drug use could result in the baby being permanently disabled? YES, BUT at the same time, there are plenty of HEALTHY & RESPONSIBLE women who have disabled babies. And I feel that encouraging a woman to have an abortion just b/c there's a chance the baby will be disabled is the SAME as implying that all disabled children don't have the right to live simply b/c they are disabled. Disabled or not, children are still human beings. And science has proven over & over again that even the HEALTHIEST & most responsible women can produce disabled children. And if these children are disabled b/c of genese and/or anything that is not the mother's fault, people are all of the sudden willing to love even a disabled child w/o any thought of giving it up. But yet, if the mother makes a mistake and/or doesn't make the right choices during her pregnancy, people all of the sudden don't feel anymore that the disabled child (who isn't to blaim for their conditions whether the mother was healthy or not) should have a chance..& in these kinds of situations, people start acting like disabled children are curses!
What I ESPECIALLY DON'T agree with are the women who continually have abortion after abortion. The women who never learn from their 1st mistake. The women who know the "procedure" a little TOO well. I am not one to judge, BUT it's not any longer judgement to recognize that someone keeps continually making the same mistakes over & over again that can not only harm a baby, BUT ALSO themselves. Abortion can kill & damage the mothers just as QUICKLY/EASILY as they do the fetus
I don't agree that just b/c a woman is on drugs during her pregnancy that she should automatically abort the baby. Is there a chance that the drug use could result in the baby being permanently disabled? YES, BUT at the same time, there are plenty of HEALTHY & RESPONSIBLE women who have disabled babies. And I feel that encouraging a woman to have an abortion just b/c there's a chance the baby will be disabled is the SAME as implying that all disabled children don't have the right to live simply b/c they are disabled. Disabled or not, children are still human beings. And science has proven over & over again that even the HEALTHIEST & most responsible women can produce disabled children. And if these children are disabled b/c of genese and/or anything that is not the mother's fault, people are all of the sudden willing to love even a disabled child w/o any thought of giving it up. But yet, if the mother makes a mistake and/or doesn't make the right choices during her pregnancy, people all of the sudden don't feel anymore that the disabled child (who isn't to blaim for their conditions whether the mother was healthy or not) should have a chance..& in these kinds of situations, people start acting like disabled children are curses!
What I ESPECIALLY DON'T agree with are the women who continually have abortion after abortion. The women who never learn from their 1st mistake. The women who know the "procedure" a little TOO well. I am not one to judge, BUT it's not any longer judgement to recognize that someone keeps continually making the same mistakes over & over again that can not only harm a baby, BUT ALSO themselves. Abortion can kill & damage the mothers just as QUICKLY/EASILY as they do the fetus
Granted, there are plenty of HEALTY women who bring disabled children into this world, just like there are pregnant women who abuse drugs only to end up with very healthy babies.
-There are wealthy & mentally/financially/physically PREPARED mothers (and in some cases fathers) who still go onto lack in providing essential care to their children. As the saying goes, "A person can never be truly ready enough for a baby." There are plenty of children born every year into near perfect families filled with 2 parents, all the finances saved up in the world and/or all the sweet loving arms in the world, BUT even a great home/family life does NOT guarantee that a child will grow up healthy and/or somehow escape life's pains.
Not all children who grow up with mental problems, physical/mental disabilities, and/or end up in the criminal justice system (for example) came from a womb that was unhealthy & irresponsible. Sometimes the mother (and father) can be as "ready" as it gets, but even this does not guarantee that their child will grow up somehow being the exception to all pains in life that children coming from irresponsible & unhealthy mothers/parents. THAT is the problem.
Sometimes circumstances & people change. So many people might start out being financially ready, for example BUT yet in 2 years persay they get laid off, everything could change. So if a mother later on down the road is no longer considered financially stable enough to raise a child, should she kill it? No. What if a mother who started off mentally/emotionally stable & prepared ends up having a break down and/or major change in personality/priorities years down the road..does that mean that she should kill and/or give up her child just b/c of those changes? People forget that all problems don't always start in the womb. Some mothers may end up abusing drugs when their children are 5 years old, vs. those who have drugs in their systems during their pregnancies.
My POINT is that if a child AFTER it's born deserves to live no matter WHAT circumstances the mother/father brought them into, I don't see how that very same child no longer deserves the right to live just b/c they are not yet born
-There are wealthy & mentally/financially/physically PREPARED mothers (and in some cases fathers) who still go onto lack in providing essential care to their children. As the saying goes, "A person can never be truly ready enough for a baby." There are plenty of children born every year into near perfect families filled with 2 parents, all the finances saved up in the world and/or all the sweet loving arms in the world, BUT even a great home/family life does NOT guarantee that a child will grow up healthy and/or somehow escape life's pains.
Not all children who grow up with mental problems, physical/mental disabilities, and/or end up in the criminal justice system (for example) came from a womb that was unhealthy & irresponsible. Sometimes the mother (and father) can be as "ready" as it gets, but even this does not guarantee that their child will grow up somehow being the exception to all pains in life that children coming from irresponsible & unhealthy mothers/parents. THAT is the problem.
Sometimes circumstances & people change. So many people might start out being financially ready, for example BUT yet in 2 years persay they get laid off, everything could change. So if a mother later on down the road is no longer considered financially stable enough to raise a child, should she kill it? No. What if a mother who started off mentally/emotionally stable & prepared ends up having a break down and/or major change in personality/priorities years down the road..does that mean that she should kill and/or give up her child just b/c of those changes? People forget that all problems don't always start in the womb. Some mothers may end up abusing drugs when their children are 5 years old, vs. those who have drugs in their systems during their pregnancies.
My POINT is that if a child AFTER it's born deserves to live no matter WHAT circumstances the mother/father brought them into, I don't see how that very same child no longer deserves the right to live just b/c they are not yet born
Rape is not the only legitimate reason to have an abortion. There are plenty, hence the reason I'm pro choice, especially when its done early in the pregnancy.
Lets tell a woman she can't do what's right for her, but ignore the fact that there are so many children out there who were probably better off aborted, while all these pro lifers sit back and do nothing about their fucked up circumstances.
No...god does not have a 'plan' for those poor children no one gives a damn about...but surely, he does for the evil bitch who knows this and therefore makes the best decision for her and her unborn...*rolls eyes*
Lets tell a woman she can't do what's right for her, but ignore the fact that there are so many children out there who were probably better off aborted, while all these pro lifers sit back and do nothing about their fucked up circumstances.
No...god does not have a 'plan' for those poor children no one gives a damn about...but surely, he does for the evil bitch who knows this and therefore makes the best decision for her and her unborn...*rolls eyes*
@Pesca: I agree. Most people either strongly agree OR disagree with abortion & even those who in the middle are easily swayed if given the right amount of convincing.
@MsPisces: You are right. Rape is NOT the only reason I would consider a valid reason to have an abortion. There are plenty of reasons. I was just using rape as an example. Crazy thing is, even rape victims don't always abort their children.
Since half of us are going through this bullshXt called life, would it be fair to say that most of us should've been aborted? Should we be mad at our parents b/c some of us ended up with the short end of the stick? NO. I am all for adoption moreso than abortion.
They should be spending the abortion funding on more abstinence & health programs. People are so ignorant & uneducated, & THIS is the problem. Yes, alot of fairly educated people find themselves considering an abortion too, BUT you can't overlook the fact that lack of education and/or the ability to make responsible decisions is why so many countries, including the U.S. are so over-populated. I swear, if they'd spend 1/4 of the money they spend on lottery & put that towards education & health courses, millions of unborn babies would be alive AND millions of the children/adults already born would go on to lead better lives
@MsPisces: You are right. Rape is NOT the only reason I would consider a valid reason to have an abortion. There are plenty of reasons. I was just using rape as an example. Crazy thing is, even rape victims don't always abort their children.
Since half of us are going through this bullshXt called life, would it be fair to say that most of us should've been aborted? Should we be mad at our parents b/c some of us ended up with the short end of the stick? NO. I am all for adoption moreso than abortion.
They should be spending the abortion funding on more abstinence & health programs. People are so ignorant & uneducated, & THIS is the problem. Yes, alot of fairly educated people find themselves considering an abortion too, BUT you can't overlook the fact that lack of education and/or the ability to make responsible decisions is why so many countries, including the U.S. are so over-populated. I swear, if they'd spend 1/4 of the money they spend on lottery & put that towards education & health courses, millions of unborn babies would be alive AND millions of the children/adults already born would go on to lead better lives
There are not as many people who want to adopt as there are kids who need to be adopted..why create make more largely unwanted orphans?
And if most abortions occur in undeveloped countries, that should tell you something.
And the skull crushing vids are not the norm, as most are not even fetuses yet...unless of course abortions are hard to come by..
And if most abortions occur in undeveloped countries, that should tell you something.
And the skull crushing vids are not the norm, as most are not even fetuses yet...unless of course abortions are hard to come by..
No the numbers are disproportionate because of the more obvious reasons.
Whatever. It would be really nice to see more prolifersnomatterhowmuchtheREALchildsuffers, adopting these unwanted children.
Whatever. It would be really nice to see more prolifersnomatterhowmuchtheREALchildsuffers, adopting these unwanted children.
The same way they don't adopt real children I guess :\
Either way, banning abortion except for 'certain' cases is a slippery slope od rather not see.
Either way, banning abortion except for 'certain' cases is a slippery slope od rather not see.
I'm saying that is a secondary reason. Even if under/developed nations were equal in amount, do you really believe the number of abortions would be equal as well? Come on now.
Illegal or not. People are going to do it. Whatever it is.
yes people are gonna do it whether its legal or illegal....it really doesnt concern me because I'm not affected by it.....but i wish that some people do realise they are killing baby even though they say that the baby does not have a mind or cant feel pain it still would have a spirit or something lol....I think this abortion thingy is making people careless and lazy its sad
@Amet..I agree. People go around tossing the word "abortion" around like it's nothing. Having an abortion is not as easy as 1-2-3 like going into a clinic & getting a flu shot is. It's considered a MAJOR surgery & like other medical procedures that are highly controversial, can leave a woman with severe emotional AND physical trauma. Abortion is NOT a form of birth control. Birth control is used to PREVENT conception. And it's impossible to abort something that isn't eve yet into existence.
What people don't take into account is that there are plenty of people that are ALIVE that came from healthy & stable mothers/families who yet still go on to live lives full of hell! People always assume that if you're not ready for a baby at the time of conception, that a mother can't EVER possibly be ready, thus they decide abortion is best for the baby. Problem is, people in some of the WORST circumstances (that come from poverty, drugs, abuse, etc.) have proven that if they make the personal CHOICE to overcome those things, that they too can go onto lead happy lives. The people who walk around convincing themselves that having kids will ruin their lives really bother me b/c there are PLENTY of people who have way more than 1 kid who have allowed the pressures of pregnancy & of not wanting to bring an unwanted child into this world, to be their #1 motivation to strive to be a BETTER person.
People hate "getting it together," for someone else. People are so selfish & live only for themselves. They'd rather keep on NOT taking the right preventative measures during sexual intercourse but yet them not being responsible in the bedroom 1 night could cause a "tissue/blood clot" that WILL end up transforming into a human being, to have to suffer all b/c they didn't want to:
1. Wear a condom
2. Choice wisely who they sleep with
3. Make sure they can actually HANDLE a baby since not having sex is supposedly just so impossible for people to accept nowadays.
If people could avoid the consequences to their actions, they would at all costs. This is why there are what we call LAWS. Do you really think half of those who break the law by committing murder (for example) would REALLY turn themselves in to be confined to a cell for life if they had the choice to? Hell no. If there were no laws, people wouldn't ever hold themselves accountable for their own actions. They'd simply shrug it off & say, "Oops, I made a mistake"
What people don't take into account is that there are plenty of people that are ALIVE that came from healthy & stable mothers/families who yet still go on to live lives full of hell! People always assume that if you're not ready for a baby at the time of conception, that a mother can't EVER possibly be ready, thus they decide abortion is best for the baby. Problem is, people in some of the WORST circumstances (that come from poverty, drugs, abuse, etc.) have proven that if they make the personal CHOICE to overcome those things, that they too can go onto lead happy lives. The people who walk around convincing themselves that having kids will ruin their lives really bother me b/c there are PLENTY of people who have way more than 1 kid who have allowed the pressures of pregnancy & of not wanting to bring an unwanted child into this world, to be their #1 motivation to strive to be a BETTER person.
People hate "getting it together," for someone else. People are so selfish & live only for themselves. They'd rather keep on NOT taking the right preventative measures during sexual intercourse but yet them not being responsible in the bedroom 1 night could cause a "tissue/blood clot" that WILL end up transforming into a human being, to have to suffer all b/c they didn't want to:
1. Wear a condom
2. Choice wisely who they sleep with
3. Make sure they can actually HANDLE a baby since not having sex is supposedly just so impossible for people to accept nowadays.
If people could avoid the consequences to their actions, they would at all costs. This is why there are what we call LAWS. Do you really think half of those who break the law by committing murder (for example) would REALLY turn themselves in to be confined to a cell for life if they had the choice to? Hell no. If there were no laws, people wouldn't ever hold themselves accountable for their own actions. They'd simply shrug it off & say, "Oops, I made a mistake"
People have known since pre-school that having sex (condom or not) produces children! Sex is not only a tool for satisfaction/pleasure. It's ALSO a tool to having children. Those in under-developed countries very much understand this, as in Chinese cultures (for example), it's very common for women to purposely have more sex in order to produce offspring so that they can be taken care of as elders.
People can't stop being promiscious. People don't know how to think about the consequences of 1 night of good/bad sex. People don't want to live for anyone other than themselves. If there's a way for people to avoid the consequences of their actions w/o going to jail/being penalized for it, oh trust me they will! A woman can secretely get pregnant, have an abortion & b/c no one knew and/or was there to scorn her or hold her accountable for her decisions, she can freely walk out of an abortion clinic as if nothing happend. But yet had that very same woman shared with her family/friends the pregnancy, & had others given her the speech about how important it is that she learn how to make the bed she laid in, there's a chance that she would've considered abortion as her LAST resort, instead of her 1st.
Is the adoption system just as over-populated? YES. BUT personally I feel that there are MORE IDIOTS, IRRESPONSIBLE PARENTS/PEOPLE, UNEDUCATED & IGNORANT PEOPLE than there are aborted babies. Personally I'd rather give an aborted baby a chance at life moreso than a promiscious young adult who keeps on messing their OWN life up by choice (and not just b/c the parents didn't have it made). I'd rather spare an innocent baby who might actually have a CHANCE to make this world a better place than to keep paying my taxes for some prison inmate who keeps on abusing/raping children.
People can't stop being promiscious. People don't know how to think about the consequences of 1 night of good/bad sex. People don't want to live for anyone other than themselves. If there's a way for people to avoid the consequences of their actions w/o going to jail/being penalized for it, oh trust me they will! A woman can secretely get pregnant, have an abortion & b/c no one knew and/or was there to scorn her or hold her accountable for her decisions, she can freely walk out of an abortion clinic as if nothing happend. But yet had that very same woman shared with her family/friends the pregnancy, & had others given her the speech about how important it is that she learn how to make the bed she laid in, there's a chance that she would've considered abortion as her LAST resort, instead of her 1st.
Is the adoption system just as over-populated? YES. BUT personally I feel that there are MORE IDIOTS, IRRESPONSIBLE PARENTS/PEOPLE, UNEDUCATED & IGNORANT PEOPLE than there are aborted babies. Personally I'd rather give an aborted baby a chance at life moreso than a promiscious young adult who keeps on messing their OWN life up by choice (and not just b/c the parents didn't have it made). I'd rather spare an innocent baby who might actually have a CHANCE to make this world a better place than to keep paying my taxes for some prison inmate who keeps on abusing/raping children.
If it's about killing/murdering someone/something that has NO chance in life, I'd rather spend my tax dollars on the execution of prison inmates who have still shown NO remorse for their crimes (in which some even vow to re-offend again!). I'd rather spend my tax dollars on funding education/health/self-esteem programs than spend my tax dollars on an abortion clinic, full of women who make the CHOICE NOT TO let their pregnancies be the motivation for which they pave a better live for themselves AND for their babies.
If we'd spend half the money we spend on lottery, tobacco, & message oils (for example) & spend that on education & health programs for the age brackets that are considering abortion so strongly, this world would be such a better place. A sex offender who raped & killed 5 children by law even deserves certain rights in this country all b/c he's considered a human & even if he's vowed to re-offend. BUT yet an innocent baby who hasn't done a thing to anyone yet doesn't deserve the right to live all b/c the mother didn't want to take responsibility and/or make a way. It's crazy.
If we'd spend half the money we spend on lottery, tobacco, & message oils (for example) & spend that on education & health programs for the age brackets that are considering abortion so strongly, this world would be such a better place. A sex offender who raped & killed 5 children by law even deserves certain rights in this country all b/c he's considered a human & even if he's vowed to re-offend. BUT yet an innocent baby who hasn't done a thing to anyone yet doesn't deserve the right to live all b/c the mother didn't want to take responsibility and/or make a way. It's crazy.
Your assumptions and illogical idealism is crazy!
As I said, putting conditions on something like this is a slippery slope. It should always remain legal in this free country. End of story.
As I said, putting conditions on something like this is a slippery slope. It should always remain legal in this free country. End of story.
Posted by BellaBulleautiful
How many of you have watched a video of scissors being plunged into a "fetus" skull and it's brain vacummed out?
just asking 😉
*raises hand*
I have and I've had to watch worse things too. Just saying.
This topic got me thinking about a few things, but I guess I can give my opinion too. I remember creating a topic like this a while back.
I guess you could say I'm Pro-Choice but maybe I should say that I'm not Anti-Abortion.
Whoever came up with Pro-Life and Pro-Choice were really trying to start trouble.
I hear people say, "Stay out of my pocket" whatever, we all have to pay taxes, get over it already. However, since I heard it so many times (lived in a small time), I now often say, "Stay out of my gut" 😉 to those who like to match up and down the sidewalks with their Pro-Life signs and all. Hey, it's a free country, so they shouldn't really care, right?
True, it upsets people but that phrase makes more sense than the other in the grand scheme of things.
Also, I've also found it amusing that the same people who are against abortion tend to be very Pro-death penalty -- yes, that's interesting.
I guess you could say I'm Pro-Choice but maybe I should say that I'm not Anti-Abortion.
Whoever came up with Pro-Life and Pro-Choice were really trying to start trouble.
I hear people say, "Stay out of my pocket" whatever, we all have to pay taxes, get over it already. However, since I heard it so many times (lived in a small time), I now often say, "Stay out of my gut" 😉 to those who like to match up and down the sidewalks with their Pro-Life signs and all. Hey, it's a free country, so they shouldn't really care, right?
True, it upsets people but that phrase makes more sense than the other in the grand scheme of things.
Also, I've also found it amusing that the same people who are against abortion tend to be very Pro-death penalty -- yes, that's interesting.
Posted by MsPisces.
No the numbers are disproportionate because of the more obvious reasons.
Whatever. It would be really nice to see more prolifersnomatterhowmuchtheREALchildsuffers, adopting these unwanted children.
Whoa, good point. I had to comment on this one.
Posted by cappysweetie
Also, I've also found it amusing that the same people who are against abortion tend to be very Pro-death penalty -- yes, that's interesting.
Yes, I've often scratched my head about that as well Cappysweetie...
One of the best stories one of my girlfriends told me was when she was pregnant, she was going to support one of her friends who was going to Planned Parenthood to have an abortion. She said there were protestors and such outside yelling, and they thought she was having one, and they started hurtling horrible insults (she was like 7/8 months at the time, so they were just stupid anyway to think that - she was HUGE). Anyway, she said to all of them (paraphrasing) - "It's interesting to me that you all are concerned about the baby inside of me (other women) but once it's out, most of you don't give a damn, and I'd hazard a guess that most of you don't have any adopted children, and if asked to support government bills to assist unwed mothers and children, most of you wouldn't want additional taxes for that either or have voted to end those too. So, GO AWAY!"
No, I don't agree that abortion is birth control - it's not. I'm pro-choice. Sadly there are literally hundreds of thousands of neglected/unwanted children suffering everyday - living subpar existences through no fault of their own. Plus, I have a problem with a segment of the population who will NEVER have to actually have a child (that being men) having the power (via government) to say what a woman can or cannot do with her own body. In listening to women that I've known who've had the abortions NONE of them took it lightly, nor did they think it was birth-control. There was only one person I can think of in my life that abused the procedure by having multiple abortions.
"It's interesting to me that you all are concerned about the baby inside of me (other women) but once it's out, most of you don't give a damn, and I'd hazard a guess that most of you don't have any adopted children, and if asked to support government bills to assist unwed mothers and children, most of you wouldn't want additional taxes for that either or have voted to end those too. So, GO AWAY!"
OMG, it's like, the same people who don't want 'the goverment' or whatever controlling their lives are the same ones trying to control the lives of other people -- don't you find that painfully ironic.
Its horrible if I support the federal/ state government for making decisions but it's completely and totally fine if you do. Give me a break here, YOU DON'T KNOW ME AND WHO IN THE HELL ARE YOU ANYWAY? At least I voted the people in that I want to make decisions, I didn't sign up for an extra community of people to do it. To be real about it all, those are the people I keep my eyes on. Keeping it honest here, don't trust them at all. Anytime, you get that upset over what *I'm doing* is an indicator that there's something wrong with the good old brain.
No, I don't agree that abortion is birth control - it's not. I'm pro-choice. Sadly there are literally hundreds of thousands of neglected/unwanted children suffering everyday - living subpar existences through no fault of their own.
I don't like it either. Sorry, but there are bad times to have children, it's the way it is. There are children suffering due to the fact that they were considered 'a mistake' or 'unplanned'. I don't take child birth that lightly because that baby will have to become an adult one day and most of us are products of our environments. True, life isn't fair to everyone but damn it plenty of issues can be prevented if people would just fucking think.
Those that use abortion as a form of brith control are not dealing with a full deck upstairs, that's not what it's for but I've known some girls to do that and ... yeah. Abortion is good for starting over and if you need to, then you should be the one to make that choice -- no one else.
OMG, it's like, the same people who don't want 'the goverment' or whatever controlling their lives are the same ones trying to control the lives of other people -- don't you find that painfully ironic.
Its horrible if I support the federal/ state government for making decisions but it's completely and totally fine if you do. Give me a break here, YOU DON'T KNOW ME AND WHO IN THE HELL ARE YOU ANYWAY? At least I voted the people in that I want to make decisions, I didn't sign up for an extra community of people to do it. To be real about it all, those are the people I keep my eyes on. Keeping it honest here, don't trust them at all. Anytime, you get that upset over what *I'm doing* is an indicator that there's something wrong with the good old brain.
No, I don't agree that abortion is birth control - it's not. I'm pro-choice. Sadly there are literally hundreds of thousands of neglected/unwanted children suffering everyday - living subpar existences through no fault of their own.
I don't like it either. Sorry, but there are bad times to have children, it's the way it is. There are children suffering due to the fact that they were considered 'a mistake' or 'unplanned'. I don't take child birth that lightly because that baby will have to become an adult one day and most of us are products of our environments. True, life isn't fair to everyone but damn it plenty of issues can be prevented if people would just fucking think.
Those that use abortion as a form of brith control are not dealing with a full deck upstairs, that's not what it's for but I've known some girls to do that and ... yeah. Abortion is good for starting over and if you need to, then you should be the one to make that choice -- no one else.
And yes I've been told that I'm going to hell b/c of the way I feel and blah blah blah blah blah. Goodness, I wish they would just wait until it's time for me to go to hell instead of nagging at me about it, I mean damn lol.
And seriously, I don't think whether or not you are for or against abortion is worth fighting over. I mean really? I think we should be past this already. The only ones keeping this shit going are the those who are dead against it. If you don't like abortion, then don't get one -- the end. Simple as that.
Posted by cappysweetie
A I wish they would just wait until it's time for me to go to hell instead of nagging at me about it, I mean damn lol.
LMAO! Ya know—
Posted by USCTaurusGalPosted by cappysweetie
A I wish they would just wait until it's time for me to go to hell instead of nagging at me about it, I mean damn lol.
LMAO! Ya know—click to expand
All I'm saying is, let me burn in hell ... with peace. If I'm going to burn to ashes for an eternity, can I at least have some peace before I go?
I mean Geeezzz, after a while it's like preaching to the choir.
Posted by BellaBulleautiful
I always thought it was kind of silly to compare pro life to pro death penalty,when the death penalty is usually reserved for adults that committed atrociously violent crimes against other humans.there is a distinct difference to me.
I think this is directed towards me, so I'll answer it.
There's little to no difference to me because any baby can grow up to commit any crime against other human being. Regardless to who they are born to and where, any child that grows into an adult has the capabilities to do this.
And again, you don't know what someone is capable of until they do it, there's no way of being able to determine that a certain adult or a certain group of adults will commit atrociously, horridly violent crimes.
Those criminals were once babies too.
I just think we both look at things differently.
Guys, this is a very highly debated topic. They are trying to pass laws concerning this topic & whether it applies to everyone or not, I just thought it'd be interesting to see how some people felt about it.
This wasn't about people judging others or looking down on others who disagree with them; hell that's each individual person's problem. This was about people giving their OWN personal opinion moreso vs. people criticizing others with opposing views. I understand that this topic is very sensitive & might even hit close to home for some, but come on now guys, let's grow up. I was hoping we could all be adults & respect the opposing views of others. The topic itself does not stir trouble, it is the PEOPLE who can't handle opposing views that cause drama. This topic is a very much debated issue in congress, thus I wanted everybody's viewpoint (persay they were faced with an unwanted pregnancy) as to what they believe they would do. If outsiders want to respond to poster's opinions with scorn & judgement, then that's on them. But don't get it twisted, I didn't start this post so that people would flip out and/or to start drama. It's just a topic & one that people tend to have very strong beliefs on.
I posted this in the "Relationships" forum b/c alot of people in relationships face this issue as well. There's this false creed out there where people are assuming that abortion only affects women who are single and/or in certain situations. There are plenty of couples who have experienced their 1st (or many) "unwanted pregnancy." This is not just an issue for those not in relationships. If anything, this topic might hit close to home with those who have atleast considered abortion while in a relationship.
This wasn't about people judging others or looking down on others who disagree with them; hell that's each individual person's problem. This was about people giving their OWN personal opinion moreso vs. people criticizing others with opposing views. I understand that this topic is very sensitive & might even hit close to home for some, but come on now guys, let's grow up. I was hoping we could all be adults & respect the opposing views of others. The topic itself does not stir trouble, it is the PEOPLE who can't handle opposing views that cause drama. This topic is a very much debated issue in congress, thus I wanted everybody's viewpoint (persay they were faced with an unwanted pregnancy) as to what they believe they would do. If outsiders want to respond to poster's opinions with scorn & judgement, then that's on them. But don't get it twisted, I didn't start this post so that people would flip out and/or to start drama. It's just a topic & one that people tend to have very strong beliefs on.
I posted this in the "Relationships" forum b/c alot of people in relationships face this issue as well. There's this false creed out there where people are assuming that abortion only affects women who are single and/or in certain situations. There are plenty of couples who have experienced their 1st (or many) "unwanted pregnancy." This is not just an issue for those not in relationships. If anything, this topic might hit close to home with those who have atleast considered abortion while in a relationship.
Posted by krysrenee7
Guys, this is a very highly debated topic. They are trying to pass laws concerning this topic & whether it applies to everyone or not, I just thought it'd be interesting to see how some people felt about it.
This wasn't about people judging others or looking down on others who disagree with them; hell that's each individual person's problem. This was about people giving their OWN personal opinion moreso vs. people criticizing others with opposing views. I understand that this topic is very sensitive & might even hit close to home for some, but come on now guys, let's grow up. I was hoping we could all be adults & respect the opposing views of others. The topic itself does not stir trouble, it is the PEOPLE who can't handle opposing views that cause drama. This topic is a very much debated issue in congress, thus I wanted everybody's viewpoint (persay they were faced with an unwanted pregnancy) as to what they believe they would do. If outsiders want to respond to poster's opinions with scorn & judgement, then that's on them. But don't get it twisted, I didn't start this post so that people would flip out and/or to start drama. It's just a topic & one that people tend to have very strong beliefs on.
I posted this in the "Relationships" forum b/c alot of people in relationships face this issue as well. There's this false creed out there where people are assuming that abortion only affects women who are single and/or in certain situations. There are plenty of couples who have experienced their 1st (or many) "unwanted pregnancy." This is not just an issue for those not in relationships. If anything, this topic might hit close to home with those who have atleast considered abortion while in a relationship.
Who said there was anything wrong with you putting this topic in the relationships forum, its ok 🙂 I think this is where I put the thread I created for abortion many moons ago. It wouldn't belong in the Misc. forum b/c that would just be .. weird.
Posted by LovelyScorp
a person's personal opinion is a judgement whether you care to admit it or not.
it's all semantics.
Oh yeah, I agree -- it is a judgement because its your personal opinion. I've had both positive and negative arguments on this topic offline but I welcome them all b/c people tend to get emotional about stuff like this :/
However, when it comes to me and what I want to do, I am the one who has say in that. No one else makes that decision. The only other person who has some pull is the father involved, other than that, no one else need apply.
Posted by LadyLibra12
I am loudly and proudly PRO-CHOICE 100% !
I am *not* going to get into an uncivilized argument about it, so if anyone responds with nasty remarks, I'm not going to go there.
My views:
** Abortion should be legal in ALL circumstances, no matter what.
** Abortion is the WOMAN'S choice. If a woman decides to tell her partner, and there is a disagreement, the WOMAN ONLY should be able to make the final choice, since it is HER body.
** There should be NO forced parental consent or spousal/partner consent.
** There should be NO forced parental or spousal/partner notification.
** No one should have the right to protest in front of abortion clinics/any type of abortion care provider, nor should anyone be allowed to commit any acts of violence or harassment against anyone involved in the abortion process.
** Every single woman should have access to abortion.
** Abortion should always be covered by healthcare so that everyone woman has this choice available to her.
** I'm against all Catholic hospitals and any other religious hospital that denies a woman her right to choose.
** No one should EVER be forced to view an ultrasound or read any kinds of pamphlets/documents.
** No one has the right to guilt, pressure, or use force in order to coerce or frighten a woman into not having an abortion.
** No one should EVER have the ability to prevent a woman from having an abortion.
** Abortion should be absolutely safe--both in the sense of being medically safe (qualified professionals) and in the sense of being free from harassment or violence by anti-choice protesters.
** There should be no stigma about abortion: people should NOT judge a woman who has had one or more abortions.
** No group or person should ever be allowed to pass out incorrect and misleading information to a woman in order to get her to not have an abortion. Only scientifically accurate and NEUTRAL materials should be allowed so that a woman has the FACTS.
** When it comes to sex education, abortion should be talked about in a NEUTRAL way: schools and other organizations should not be allowed to portray abortion in a negatively-slanted way.
** Sex education should be given by the state and not by religious or political groups so as to ensure that people get the FACTS about sex.
**
That's all that I'm going to say; I'm not going to get into a fight with anyone about it.
^^^^^^ .... are we kindred spirits LadyLibra12? If so, holy crap I'm happy to meet you ^_^.
Posted by Beetleguese
Some of you won't be handle this, fair warning. But he really does make some great points, think of it as P's bluntness with a comedic twist🙂
Oh my goodness LOL!!!! Holy cow.
^^^^^ I'll have to watch this in it's entirety when I have more time.
However, once again, I say I have nothing against anyone who doesn't favor abortion, that's you and you have that right. But, don't get pissed with me just because I feel the opposite way, dig 😉
However, once again, I say I have nothing against anyone who doesn't favor abortion, that's you and you have that right. But, don't get pissed with me just because I feel the opposite way, dig 😉
Posted by LovelyScorp
...and I'm just in the mood to share my personal experience with this topic and the very reason I judge.
I have a cousin who is the same age as I am. I was young when I got pregnant with my son (17) and she got pregnant too. Nobody was raped, there was no terrible medical condition. It was just poor choices.
I kept my son, she didn't.
Fast forward 18 years.
She's been married for few years, can't seem to get pregnant. Goes through fertility treatment, the whole nine yards. I have to sit and listen to all the sympathetic bullshit about her not being able to conceive. As if she's "entitled" to have a child now because she is married.
She get's pregnant. Everyone acts as if it is a miracle sent straight from the heavens.
I get invited to my aunt's house for brunch and to visit.
My aunt pulls out a DVD and pop's it in the player. It's one of those high-tech ultrasounds in vivid detail and color of the baby in her daughters womb dancing about, music and everything.
I sit there in pure horror thinking how fucked up this is and wanting to vomit.
Nobody around me seems to give it a second thought.
That my friends, is why I judge. Right, wrong or indifferent. I just don't care.
We have a lot of rights in this country, doesn't mean we have to utilize each and every one of them on a whim.
I don't get it. She and her family are not allowed to be happy about her pregnancy because she had an abortion 18 years ago??
"It's interesting to me that you all are concerned about the baby inside of me (other women) but once it's out, most of you don't give a damn, and I'd hazard a guess that most of you don't have any adopted children, and if asked to support government bills to assist unwed mothers and children, most of you wouldn't want additional taxes for that either or have voted to end those too. So, GO AWAY!"
Thankyou, USC! My thoughts exactly.
"In listening to women that I've known who've had the abortions NONE of them took it lightly, nor did they think it was birth-control. There was only one person I can think of in my life that abused the procedure by having multiple abortions."
Yep.
Thankyou, USC! My thoughts exactly.
"In listening to women that I've known who've had the abortions NONE of them took it lightly, nor did they think it was birth-control. There was only one person I can think of in my life that abused the procedure by having multiple abortions."
Yep.
Posted by PescaPosted by Beetleguese
Some of you won't be handle this, fair warning. But he really does make some great points, think of it as P's bluntness with a comedic twist🙂
whacked humor, but it nails the right points.click to expand
Pretty much.
Posted by PescaPosted by Beetleguese
Some of you won't be handle this, fair warning. But he really does make some great points, think of it as P's bluntness with a comedic twist🙂
whacked humor, but it nails the right points.click to expand
True that! I'm sure he's pissed off TONS O' People doing that skit!
"They have every right to be happy.
I have every right to be sickened by the situation."
Okay. I was just making sure I understood you correctly, because I couldn't believe what I was reading, tbh.
I have every right to be sickened by the situation."
Okay. I was just making sure I understood you correctly, because I couldn't believe what I was reading, tbh.
^^^^ Awwwwwww 😢
Ok, then maybe its best not to share anymore then. Some people just can't take this sort of thing. I blame society for putting such a terrible light on it for so damn long.
Ok, then maybe its best not to share anymore then. Some people just can't take this sort of thing. I blame society for putting such a terrible light on it for so damn long.
Posted by MsPisces.
"It's interesting to me that you all are concerned about the baby inside of me (other women) but once it's out, most of you don't give a damn, and I'd hazard a guess that most of you don't have any adopted children, and if asked to support government bills to assist unwed mothers and children, most of you wouldn't want additional taxes for that either or have voted to end those too. So, GO AWAY!"
Thankyou, USC! My thoughts exactly.
Yeah, I can't take credit for that comment, but I agreed with my friend, and had I been there with her I would have said something similar to what she said, but not as nicely...I'm sure of that.
Posted by cappysweetie
I blame society for putting such a terrible light on it for so damn long.
There's no way not to make it seem terrible... :/
It is terrible.
If they don't abolish it all together, and instead just "heavily regulate" it...there are still going to be women doing it themselves because they were denied the right to.
It's a personal decision. Not for anyone to make for another person. *shrugs*
& you really can't make that decision for them either, there are a manyyyy ways to terminate a pregnancy.
At least they'll have a safer more humane way if they allow medical abortions.
It's a personal decision. Not for anyone to make for another person. *shrugs*
& you really can't make that decision for them either, there are a manyyyy ways to terminate a pregnancy.
At least they'll have a safer more humane way if they allow medical abortions.
It's a very personal subject for me...my mother was 16 when she conceived me. My parents really struggled.
My mother wasn't even old enough to carry a full-time job or have a drivers license at the time. My father didn't get to finish high school, he was the only one who could work. I admire their strength and bravery for choosing to give my life a chance, even though it wasn't convenient for them, or knowing they would struggle so much and it might effect me.
My mother says she never considered abortion, although I wasn't planned and it wasn't good timing, I was still very loved and wanted. However, when she got pregnant with my sister only 4 months after I was born, she certainly considered then. They were already struggling - another baby was the last thing they needed.
They weren't being irresponsible this time, they had "learned their lesson," protecting themselves this time. Still happened, and despite the circumstances they decided gave her life a chance too. 🙂 I know now she wasn't a mistake at all.
So TRUST ME, coming from where I do I don't have a lot of respect for young girls who act irresponsibly, get knocked up, and then terminate their pregnancy because they don't want to ruin their lives. Babies aren't accidents. Life is a miracle & no one should take it for granted.
However, it's not my decision to make for them. They're the ones that have to live with it for the rest of their lives & I don't know anyone who's had an abortion that doesn't think about that baby and what they would have grown up to be. It's not an easy decision to make...
My mother wasn't even old enough to carry a full-time job or have a drivers license at the time. My father didn't get to finish high school, he was the only one who could work. I admire their strength and bravery for choosing to give my life a chance, even though it wasn't convenient for them, or knowing they would struggle so much and it might effect me.
My mother says she never considered abortion, although I wasn't planned and it wasn't good timing, I was still very loved and wanted. However, when she got pregnant with my sister only 4 months after I was born, she certainly considered then. They were already struggling - another baby was the last thing they needed.
They weren't being irresponsible this time, they had "learned their lesson," protecting themselves this time. Still happened, and despite the circumstances they decided gave her life a chance too. 🙂 I know now she wasn't a mistake at all.
So TRUST ME, coming from where I do I don't have a lot of respect for young girls who act irresponsibly, get knocked up, and then terminate their pregnancy because they don't want to ruin their lives. Babies aren't accidents. Life is a miracle & no one should take it for granted.
However, it's not my decision to make for them. They're the ones that have to live with it for the rest of their lives & I don't know anyone who's had an abortion that doesn't think about that baby and what they would have grown up to be. It's not an easy decision to make...
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