How do I find confidence to take the lead in bed?

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I'm a quiet and shy Virgo Sun, but with Mars conjunct Pluto I have a massive amount of sexual energy and with Moon in Scorpio and I have some pretty filthy fantasies too. My GF is a Capricorn sun who carries herself in a smart, feminine and classy way, but has a secretly zany side too. She expects me to take the lead in the bedroom whereas my shyness and Virgo inclination toward service to others means I'm more comfortable with a woman taking the lead, so I feel that I'm giving her what she wants, not using her to get what I want. Over the years the media, etc. have lead me to believe that women think that sex is a chore, so as a result I need 'permission' from a woman to engage in sex before I can enjoy it without feeling guilty that I am 'taking' from her. My GF, on the other hand, is a traditional woman who wants a man to take the lead so she can enjoy sex without feeling that she is 'dirty' as she might if she had to initiate it. She wants to indulge in sexual pleasure, but to do so at my mercy so she isn't 'responsible' for her actions, if that makes any sense? So, we're at stalemate — I want her to initiate so I can feel that I'm 'giving' to her, but she wants me to initiate so she can enjoy sex without feeling that she's less of a 'lady' for doing so.

How, then, do I become a forceful leader in the bedroom and lose the inhibitions that are stopping me from simply taking what I want? We're both dissatisfied with our sex life, but it's not because we can't have what we want, it's because she wants me to take the lead, but I don't have the confidence to do so. One of my fantasies involves me tying her up, so I told her I'd had a dream about it (by saying that I'd dreamed it I wasn't responsible for it and could gauge her reaction). Her eyes lit up when I told her and she suggested that we try it and has left me to make the necessary arrangements, i.e., acquire some bondage gear and 'set the scene', but I'm not sure I'd have the confidence to actually do it or even know what to do with her if I did have her tied up, even though my dirty mind is full of ideas when I fantasize about it. She has also said that she'd like me to talk dirty to her. When I'm on my own having fantasies about her I imagine myself saying the filthiest things imaginable, but when we're actually together I find myself tongue-tied for fear of saying something which she might find disgusting, even though she has already given me the 'green light' to say what I want.

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What can I do to condition my mind to simply not care and let my mouth and my body go to the same kinky places that my filthy mind is already at? Alcohol would help me but she doesn't drink and doesn't much care for the smell of drink on me — is there something else that wouldn't be evident to her which I can use to take away my inhibitions, or some kind of mental conditioning which I can use to stop myself worrying?
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Posted by VirgoM20

She expects me to take the lead in the bedroom whereas my shyness and Virgo inclination toward service to others means I'm more comfortable with a woman taking the lead, so I feel that I'm giving her what she wants, not using her to get what I want. Over the years the media, etc. have lead me to believe that women think that sex is a chore, so as a result I need 'permission' from a woman to engage in sex before I can enjoy it without feeling guilty that I am 'taking' from her. My GF, on the other hand, is a traditional woman who wants a man to take the lead so she can enjoy sex without feeling that she is 'dirty' as she might if she had to initiate it. She wants to indulge in sexual pleasure, but to do so at my mercy so she isn't 'responsible' for her actions, if that makes any sense? So, we're at stalemate — I want her to initiate so I can feel that I'm 'giving' to her, but she wants me to initiate so she can enjoy sex without feeling that she's less of a 'lady' for doing so.







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Virgo excuses to shrug off intimacy wears thin
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If you would consider it, rather than shrug it off ... the fact that to initate love with your woman isn't sex, it's being intimately romantic with her, in which turns her on to the point of her wanting to rip your clothes off.


oh, no .. be Virgo and not have any awareness of that and only view sex as service oriented.


You really piss me off when you Virgos say things like this ... because I know full well you actually believe it so it's not like you're just fucking around to get a rise.


To iniate with a woman only takes you to be affectionate with her .. if she's complaining that you aren't leading .. then it means you aren't fucking touching her, or caring for her intimately. I'm not talking about fucking groping her or telling her you want to fuck.


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If you would consider it, rather than shrug it off ... the fact that to initate love with your woman isn't sex, it's being intimately romantic with her, in which turns her on to the point of her wanting to rip your clothes off.

oh, no .. be Virgo and not have any awareness of that and only view sex as service oriented.

You really piss me off when you Virgos say things like this ... because I know full well you actually believe it so it's not like you're just fucking around to get a rise.

To iniate with a woman only takes you to be affectionate with her .. if she's complaining that you aren't leading .. then it means you aren't fucking touching her, or caring for her intimately. I'm not talking about fucking groping her or telling her you want to fuck.




Thanks for your comments P-Angel, but you??re kinda missing the point. I don't have any problem with the kind of affectionate, non-sexual, romantic intimacy which often ends up leading to the bedroom. We enjoy plenty of loving contact in our relationship and end up between the sheets plenty often enough. What my GF wants, and what I want too, is for me to be more bold and assertive after we've actually got into the bedroom. I need to find a way of just taking control, hustling her, roughing her up a bit, being more vocal about my filthiest fantasies — she wants me to do this and I want to find the confidence to do this — that's what I'm getting at.
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Uncage the Beast. This is where you need to pull it out, no masks on and just ride it. Literally AND figuratively. I was not joking when I've said before it's a delight to do this to Virgo. Reduce him to wobbling pudding. One with no thought beyond rutting. It's not about gaining control on your end, but LETTING GO OF IT.
She wants the Animus, the deep down nasty of you to release it in her. That means unlocking the gates. I assure you she will not break nor be disturbed by what falls out of your gob.
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... continued:

What can I do to condition my mind to simply not care and let my mouth and my body go to the same kinky places that my filthy mind is already at? Alcohol would help me but she doesn't drink and doesn't much care for the smell of drink on me — is there something else that wouldn't be evident to her which I can use to take away my inhibitions, or some kind of mental conditioning which I can use to stop myself worrying?




Watch some rough-sex porn. I know it sounds like a joke, but do it. You dont have to take and use everything you see in it.
But it may give you some impetus.
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Take some small steps. Play fight with her and wrestle around a bit so you can get a feel for being kind of rough. Get used to talking too. You can start being vocal about what you are doing to her and where you are touching her while you are having sex so you can get comfortable saying things out loud before you get dirty. Once you break the ice things will get easy (and fun) Give yourself one thing that you have to do next time. Maybe do one of the things from v69's suggestions like holding her hands behind her head or something. I like that move.
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If you would consider it, rather than shrug it off ... the fact that to initate love with your woman isn't sex, it's being intimately romantic with her, in which turns her on to the point of her wanting to rip your clothes off.

oh, no .. be Virgo and not have any awareness of that and only view sex as service oriented.

You really piss me off when you Virgos say things like this ... because I know full well you actually believe it so it's not like you're just fucking around to get a rise.

To iniate with a woman only takes you to be affectionate with her .. if she's complaining that you aren't leading .. then it means you aren't fucking touching her, or caring for her intimately. I'm not talking about fucking groping her or telling her you want to fuck.




Thanks for your comments P-Angel, but you??re kinda missing the point. I don't have any problem with the kind of affectionate, non-sexual, romantic intimacy which often ends up leading to the bedroom. We enjoy plenty of loving contact in our relationship and end up between the sheets plenty often enough. What my GF wants, and what I want too, is for me to be more bold and assertive after we've actually got into the bedroom. I need to find a way of just taking control, hustling her, roughing her up a bit, being more vocal about my filthiest fantasies — she wants me to do this and I want to find the confidence to do this — that's what I'm getting at.
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Bullshit, don't even try to bullshit me.

It takes more balls to engage her in mental foreplay to the point that you have her naked in your bed .. than it does to actually take her.

You knows who you are trying to pass off as stupid, it sure isn't me. A shy person, as you claim to be, would never have the balls to get her there, as you claim to do .. only to shy away once there.

You must have a tiny dick
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OP made my dick hard



^^^^^ lol

@OP not to be mean but... ACT LIKE A MAN!! Nothing sucks more for a woman than liking a guy, and just wanting him to let that testosterone take over, and he never does it! For goodness sakes dude! You don't even have to wonder. You're already sleeping with her and she gave you the green light. Just let her rip! Do it before some stud befriends her, and starts an innocent conversation about sex. Then he looks her in her eyes and asks if her pussy is wet. Then when she looks away and says "no. Stop talking that way." , he grabs her by her hair and tongues her down and whispers, "Stop lying you nasty little bitch.". *fanning myself* Then you're history dude! Don't be that guy. Lmao!
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lol! Well if a guy was being overly aggressive and I tell him 'No. Stop talking that way.'.. I mean exactly that- 'No. Stop talking that way.' It's no hidden code lol. Then if he proceeds he will have a hell of a fight on his hands.



I feel you on that. But for me personally, I don't talk about sex with male friends, in depth, in person, and/or alone. If I'm getting into nitty gritty details alone with a man, it's because I'm attracted to him, and I hope he's picking up on my cues 😉
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Posted by VirgoM20

.... without feeling guilty that I am 'taking' from her.


.... I want her to .... so I can feel ...








You're not lacking confidence, you're lacking balls.

Get the fuck over yourself .. and quite acting like a fairy "with issues"


do you cry too?

stomp your feet .. do you go ask mummy for her tit?


You feel this, you feel that ..... what are you? A little girl?
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Practice, practice, practice......








Again!!!!


Hmmm a shy virgo in bed huh?? We aim to plz so... I would ask, or just do things I like and that I think she would like by her subtle movements and reactions.. You have a scorp moon then you know you have the drive and the skills already, just let go and get after it son! If you do something she doesn't like you Will pick up on it and just alter your gameplan to her whims. Go forth to yon sex shop together and buy the tools you need to make it happen😛


Ha, Dominate her man.....
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Posted by VirgoM20

.... without feeling guilty that I am 'taking' from her.


.... I want her to .... so I can feel ...








You're not lacking confidence, you're lacking balls.

Get the fuck over yourself .. and quite acting like a fairy "with issues"


do you cry too?







stomp your feet .. do you go ask mummy for her tit?


You feel this, you feel that ..... what are you? A little girl?
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Some of your best work yet🙂 Ouch.....
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*fans self* This thread is treetrunking sexy. Alright I would have to say the hockey hold is the sexiest thing in the world!

As one poster said go up to her and look at her like you never have before. She will get the hint then rip up her shirt and put her in the hockey hold but have the shirt covering her eyes but exposing her lips and kiss the everloving shi* out of her and feel her up, nibble on the nipples and just rip her clothing off. Do this somewhere besides the bedroom and catch her off guard. You can do this in the kitchen, hallway or whatever. Throw her ass up against the wall turn her around and tie her up with the rope or a bathrobe tie. Get hard and rub yourself against her a $ $ while she is facing the wall and tell her everything you want to do to her... then after a good amount of teasing and hands in front of her panties (I hope you know what I mean). HAVE AT IT! Holy hell that girl will be puddles....

OH that's sexy... *fans self* men are so treetrunking sexy you have that raw sexual prowess in you unleash it unmercifully. Don't worry if you hurt her because you been together you can tell the difference between screams of pleasure and screams of pain. If you hear it ease up or change positions. But that's if she won't tell you but if she's open and honest with you I don't think she will have a problem saying ouch motherfuc*er you hurt me. Don't be afraid, she will love it more if you don't question yourself and just unleash the beast. Treetrunking men are gloriously sexy.
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Posted by exoskeleton
"a shy virgo in bed"

kinda redundant, eh? scorp moon must help a lot. 😛




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lol, i could see it now...

me: "bite my (neck/nipples/clit)!"
virgo: "errmmmmm..." *panic*
me: "do it!"
virgo: "but...i don't wanna hurt you. i love you."

-_-

me: "spank me!"
virgo: *laughs nervously and taps me lightly*

-_-

virgo: "OMG, don't kiss me with cum in your mout!"

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Holy shit I almost pissed myself laughing...... Not at you bro just exos comment....

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I would just say take it...take that coc*. Don't call her a slut just yet..ask you like it... you like being dirty if she answers yes then try the slut... not bitch...just yet.

Play it safe...lol You don't want to piss her off.

Holding her afterward is def a go.

I agree with belittling him or saying he isn't a man will not help the situation. I find it endearing he's like that. Doesn't mean he's small in size or lacking testosterone or balls. That's ridiculous and if you had your man and you said that to him you deserved to be left. That's verbal abuse and shouldn't be tolerated. If a man said something harsh like that to you, it wouldn't go down well. So get over yourselves... constructive criticism helps but you don't have to be rude about it and call people names and try to bring them down.
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@25th I'm all for chocking if you will do the same and hold my arms down while your saying take it slut.

You he-beech man slut! Holy hell...if I said that I couldn't help but die laughing because that's just funny as hell.

I usually say, "I know you want this you dirty ass motherfuc*er. Piece of shi*, show me your a man and can take it." That's pretty much the jist of it. *blushes*

Oh I'm sure they will bulldoze in.
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After I work out...last thing on my mind is sex. Sleep and french fries are on my mind. My muscles are too weak and faded to even fathom doing the spread eagle. I don't care if Brad Pitt was trying to get some.

I haven't heard that before. I know that gym people hook up but that's because they are looking at people's physics not because of the endorphins being released makes you randy. I know endorphins are released during orgasims but to me that's saying that chocolate makes you horny. I think that's not true. As a chocolate lover I've never eaten a snickers bar then say I want sex. Maybe for others it does, but to me it doesn't.

The problem isn't his testosterone level. Just because he doesn't want to hurt his partner by being too rough or feeling strange by being sexually explicit, doesn't equate to him needing to rev up with testosterone level. If that's true the answer would be just take steroids. That's not the case. It's not who he is...he thinks about it but it's hard to do it in real life. I get it...I'm like that. Some times I want to do something but when it comes down to it your fears take over. His fears are coming to the surface not faults in his biological make up. He needs to break thru his psychological barrier of fear, tis all. 😉
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snowballing ...... yay or nah—??



Is that the same as snowflaking?
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Snowflaking is primarily used when a person of a black descent dates another partner that is of a white descent.

Snowballing is after a man ejaculates in a partner's mouth and the partner and man kiss each other while the sperm is still in the mouth. Swapping it back and forth in each other's mouths.

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"Physiques? Though "people's physics" is awesome and totally made me laugh!"

Whoops... you know that I mean! lol

"Then maybe try the dark stuff with a high cacao percentage? While chocolate may not make you cream your pants in a literal sense, I think substituting food for sex is pretty common. I guess some people just really like metaphorical orgasms."

Yuck I hate dark chocolate...tried it by never got randy...more disgusted. lol I'm thinking maybe people do like those type of orgasms...but hell isn't that what masturbation is all about? Fuc* it and spend some quality time with yourself, get off and spare the calories, maybe burn off a few...depending on your beat off style . ;D


"Now this I totally agree with! And what better way to bust that psychological barrier than to get some fresh air and temporarily boost your heart rate and oxygen intake."

I can tell you enjoy exercise...I get it. I'll walk but not to boost my heart rate but to enjoy the scenery that the earth has to offer. A walk in the woods at night will help you get over fear...well if you can make it the whole way thru. lol
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You have to enjoy being in control,you have to let go of wanting to be "intimate" and turn on the want to f*&% .This is YOUR fantasy,this is what you want..if she's saying it's ok for you to fulfill these things,then she obviously has a freak in her too.If you just so happen to be freakier,show her the way.She's open.Test her,you don't have to do it all at once.Each time you guys get,explore new heights,see how far you guys can go.The confidence comes from,YOU wanting to be YOU and express yourself and her being conformable with that,to me that's a BIG turn on.Change the way you look at sex,it's meant for you to enjoy.

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snowballing ...... yay or nah—??



Is that the same as snowflaking?



Snowflaking is primarily used when a person of a black descent dates another partner that is of a white descent.

Snowballing is after a man ejaculates in a partner's mouth and the partner and man kiss each other while the sperm is still in the mouth. Swapping it back and forth in each other's mouths.



lol I knew it probably wasn't the same as 'snowflaking'.. I was just using that term since 69 brought it up in his thread 😛

I didn't know what snowballing meant though, thanks for clarifying it 😄
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lol no worries luv and your welcome!