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Have they given up hope? Playing the men's game? Do they really think that it's what they want? Whether they call it FWB, fuck friends, fuck buddies, friends with benefits or any other delusional term, are they broken inside?

I wish I could be a woman for a day to feel what it's like to be used as a tissue for a few minutes but I can't! Am I just too old-fashioned?

Crabby wants to know!
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Posted by venusianbull
Old fashioned women exist. I am one of them. If you flip it around though it seems most are afraid to take someone like me on board. Oh dear, one man, one woman. Appalling.

Right, where's my freedoooom??

I think there's also the other side, where women are obviously trying to "get" a man like a possession. That seemed to be the norm, so maybe that's the problem.
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Old fashioned women exist. I am one of them. If you flip it around though it seems most are afraid to take someone like me on board. Oh dear, one man, one woman. Appalling.

Right, where's my freedoooom??

I think there's also the other side, where women are obviously trying to "get" a man like a possession. That seemed to be the norm, so maybe that's the problem.
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Nahhh. I am possessive and expect a man to be mine, as I would be his alone. Two way street there. But as far as free time and all that? Piss off, I'll be having a bath, go hang with the boys. I would fully expect someone to have interests, hobbies, etc. of their own. I certainly do.
I do not actively seek though and I think the whole grasping, needy, 'must spend every waking moment' is a relationship killer. Listen to the strains of the death knell with me please.
I'm to the point in my life where giggling like a loon, squealing like a monkey with its tail in the wringer, and mind games are behind me. They're not necessary to my quality of life, in fact I think they enhance it. Simplifies things, pares them down.
Do I need a man in my life? No. Would one at my side be wonderful? Hell yes, and I'd be a liar if I said otherwise.
And there it is. One womans perspective.
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I believe some people want more than just sex...be it a woman or a man...on the other hand...some people want just action and no commitment...hence the FWB - One night stands alternative (both for women and men).

In my personal experience and biologically speaking women do tend to get attached more easily then men...and that can cause quite some drama...if in the end a man and a woman start up as FWB's and one ends up being hooked on the other one!

That only spells Trouble with a capital "T".
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I could explain this until I'm blue in the face, and most likely will. Like LS I don't think it has anything to do with how I was raised. Haven't seen the inside of a church since I was 10. Parents divorced when I was two.
It has everything to do with how I feel. I would not feel 'free', 'uplifted' or 'enlightened' to share myself with someone who was there for that purpose only. I would however feel alone, degraded and slutty. I do not feel that I would be released from any shackles to engage in being a human penis holster for an evening ( or several ) and be left at the end of the day with a pair of sheets that need laundered and a puzzled look on my dogs face.
I DO want more for myself. I do not feel this makes me a prude, repressed nor do I feel I am under any bondage. I am a highly sexual woman, and it has its PLACE. And that is with one individual. MY whore, and I'll be HIS whore. One who laughs with me, talks with me, walks with me and cares about me. This includes such B.S. behavior like taking me out dancing and thinking I'm Venus herself come to earth. YEP, I'm a selfish bag that way.
I am quite stubborn about this. I will not be swayed. Tis the Taurean way. MY way.
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Posted by Lauren89
For me the best day after sex was after a one night stand. I didnt need to worry if he was going to cheat, if he loved me, if he was going to come back, what he thought about me or missing him.

He came to my house, he slept on the same bed. We were both tired. We woke up had sex and after sex I covered up and showed him the door, I made a nice cup of tea and I didn't even kiss him goodbye. I only said thanks for the night and closed my door. I continued with my day and I was feeling GREAT!

Please don't share anything more.
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Posted by Beetleguese
VB; It (imho of course πŸ™‚ ) has everything to do with how we are all raised. How did you develop the feelings that you have towards this subject? Your opinion surely did not arise from self-awareness out of the womb? The media that we are exposed to, the teachers that imprint their values upon us, not to mention our parents' values...everything in our socioeconomic backgrounds shapes us into the people we have become.

Would a child born 10,000 years ago share the views about sexuality that a child born 20 years ago has? Of course not, what we are talking about is values that have been indoctrinated into our psyche since birth. Or in clinical terms; the struggle between the id, ego and super ego. Our ego being the driving force behind our neurosis'

I get what you're saying but if you haven't rejected or even questioned your upbringing and why yo do certain things are you even a person? A member of society, ok, but an individual, I think not.

So I guess people who never ask any questions about anything are more likely to just do like anyone else and just have sex with other humans because that's what is expected?

I just realized that the questions people ask each other are "When was the last time you had sex?" or "How many people have you fucked?", where the act or non-act is the subject, rather than the involvement. I hear some stuff about physical satisfaction, but rarely emotional.

Which also brings the expression that women now used about "fucking" someone. lol I guess that answers the "men's game" part of the question. You're not fucking anyone, honey, you're receiving, bitch. :sigh:
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Posted by Days22
I dont think either way is wrong. Different strokes for different folks my dears



Touche' -- at the end of the day, people have to do (not do) what they feel is right for them. I'm not going to try to change anybody's mind, and nobody certainly is going to change my damn mind. I do what I feel, and feel what I do. In some respects I'm other worldly, as I don't feel compelled to have to explain any actions that I do; as long as my actions aren't hurting anyone, I chose to live my life...for me.
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Posted by Beetleguese
VB; It (imho of course πŸ™‚ ) has everything to do with how we are all raised. How did you develop the feelings that you have towards this subject? Your opinion surely did not arise from self-awareness out of the womb? The media that we are exposed to, the teachers that imprint their values upon us, not to mention our parents' values...everything in our socioeconomic backgrounds shapes us into the people we have become.

Would a child born 10,000 years ago share the views about sexuality that a child born 20 years ago has? Of course not, what we are talking about is values that have been indoctrinated into our psyche since birth. Or in clinical terms; the struggle between the id, ego and super ego. Our ego being the driving force behind our neurosis'



*Smiles* I never have been good at following directions. My parents taught me, raised me of course. My father more so, he had the raising of me for the most part. I do understand what you are saying, and I appreciate both your intelligence and candor. I can only put forth what I believe in, what resonates within me as a woman and a human being. You may feel enlightened in what you do, I would not. I think there is more freedom to be had in being comfortable with one person. Caring about one person. Unleashing the inner freak for ONE persons pleasure. If that makes me neurotic, so be it. I'm neurotic. And I will be the first person to tell you that I have my share and then some of idiosyncrasies, hang-ups and so on. But in this sir, I am quite firm. This is me. Welcome.
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Posted by Prince_Pisces
and then there are those who don't give a damn, and do whatever they want πŸ˜‰

im guessing your talking about yourself LOL! I knew i liked you for a reason πŸ˜›
I dont accept anyone who constantly cares what other people think lol


Absolument! I don't give two hoots what the hell anybody else does, my one mantra is don't mess with animals and children -otherwise I don't care as what someone else does has no impact on me nor should what I do, have an impact on them.
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I have no intolerance or judgement for you BG. This is my point. I do not point my finger at you for following your path. You nor anyone else. I am simply doing the same based on what I feel in here *tapping heart* and here *tapping head*. I do not stand before you in a nuns weeds and proceed to mentally whack you with a book on morality. This is my internal compass.
And as to your diatribes, keep up the good work.
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I have no intolerance or judgement for you BG. This is my point. I do not point my finger at you for following your path. You nor anyone else. I am simply doing the same based on what I feel in here *tapping heart* and here *tapping head*. I do not stand before you in a nuns weeds and proceed to mentally whack you with a book on morality. This is my internal compass.
And as to your diatribes, keep up the good work.



I never for one moment thought that you did, we are simply discussing a topic as adults with IQs to the right of the bell curve should. I respect your position as you do mine, if all debates were conducted in this manner, war would be something only seen in the history books πŸ™‚
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Agreed sir. πŸ™‚ There is no malice here. I'm rather enjoying myself.
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Posted by Sea Siren
The human need to judge others is unfortunate. It's not for me, but if a woman doesn't want a relationship and just prefers to go out occasionally and get some, more power to her! Men have been doing it for centuries.

Trouble is, yeah, she's gonna be criticized by other women AND judged by the men she sleeps with. Not fair, imo, but not much in life is. πŸ˜›



I was bitching to my mom about something when I was growing up, and of course the "It's not fair" came out of my mouth, to which my mom replied, "Life ISN'T fair, so get used to it now." She was right, and because of that, I can say, I am rarely disappointed in life, because I learned the rules early on.
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and then there are those who don't give a damn, and do whatever they want πŸ˜‰

im guessing your talking about yourself LOL! I knew i liked you for a reason πŸ˜›
I dont accept anyone who constantly cares what other people think lol


Absolument! I don't give two hoots what the hell anybody else does, my one mantra is don't mess with animals and children -otherwise I don't care as what someone else does has no impact on me nor should what I do, have an impact on them.



You've got the makings of a fine upstanding independent libertarian πŸ™‚
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LOL, I read that too quickly and thought you wrote, "Librarian." Not that there is anything with Librarians, I used to work in libraries during college πŸ™‚ LOL!
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The human need to judge others is unfortunate. It's not for me, but if a woman doesn't want a relationship and just prefers to go out occasionally and get some, more power to her! Men have been doing it for centuries.

Trouble is, yeah, she's gonna be criticized by other women AND judged by the men she sleeps with. Not fair, imo, but not much in life is. πŸ˜›



I was bitching to my mom about something when I was growing up, and of course the "It's not fair" came out of my mouth, to which my mom replied, "Life ISN'T fair, so get used to it now." She was right, and because of that, I can say, I am rarely disappointed in life, because I learned the rules early on.
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lol! Yeah, my pops was pretty strong on that one, too. That and "the only person you can truly depend on is yourself."

It's funny how much smarter they seem the older you get. πŸ˜‰
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The human need to judge others is unfortunate. It's not for me, but if a woman doesn't want a relationship and just prefers to go out occasionally and get some, more power to her! Men have been doing it for centuries.

Trouble is, yeah, she's gonna be criticized by other women AND judged by the men she sleeps with. Not fair, imo, but not much in life is. πŸ˜›



I was bitching to my mom about something when I was growing up, and of course the "It's not fair" came out of my mouth, to which my mom replied, "Life ISN'T fair, so get used to it now." She was right, and because of that, I can say, I am rarely disappointed in life, because I learned the rules early on.



lol! Yeah, my pops was pretty strong on that one, too. That and "the only person you can truly depend on is yourself."

It's funny how much smarter they seem the older you get. πŸ˜‰
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Yup, and rest assured, your pops was right. At the end of the day, when the sun drops below the horizon and the moon is in full view, the only person you can depend on is you.
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Posted by Beetleguese
Yeah the tissue thing was like srsly?
I don't get why some guys think that women aren't equally as horny as the men are. The mentality that guys "get lucky" is really naive.



Couldn't agree more with this statement!!!

Now I am pretty sexually liberated, but honestly the difference from me and someone who says they have to only have sex with someone they love is that I am honest. Sex is sex......yes it can be amazing with someone you love because it is filled with emotion so it adds the intensity. Sex does not equal love. Love is something that is beyond the sex. Sex is an expression of energy. But you cannot tell me just because you are looking for Cinderella or Prince Charming that you don't have sexual thoughts, desires, needs, wants. I think it is unrealistic that the patriarchial relationship is the norm. We can thank the church for that view. The church made us feel ashamed of sexual desire and it is so wrong. Why do you think we see so much divorce? Why do you think porn is such a lucrative business? Why are men buying sex? Why does sex sell? If sex = loved we would see none of what I question. I don't mean to rain on your parade and spoil it for you, but at the end of the day I believe the human body would not be equiped with the desires it has if it was not to be utilized as such. That is like having a Audi A8 in your garage but only drive it on Sundays. Go into that garage and look at it every day and say I wish it were Sunday, I really want to drive it. Why would one deprive themselves of something so amazing for the sake of putting limits of shame, guilt, or limits?

Maybe it is the age difference, but I too once upon a time ago had Cinderella syndrome, until I realized it is one big fat lie. At the end of the day I never want to live dishonestly about my true desire, want, and need. I am not ashamed of my sexuality or even having sex outside of marriage or love. I dislike that women are potrayed as some hussey just because she is being honest of her own sexual desire. Don't get me wrong I don't go around giving it up for every whim, I do use discernment. However, if I have a great connection with someone I am not going to deny the most instinctual thing, and I am going to fornicate until the sun comes up. lol

I know I am going to hell .....I can feel the Christans giving me the cursing eye. *sigh*

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Posted by Lauren89
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Why when I want to say these things I just cannot find the words? Anyway I absolutely agree with you. Especially about the Cinderella thing.



I don't know Lauren? :\ Yeah, I know I am pretty open on my views on sex, and some have commented about my "improper ways" however I believe if I keep hush hush about it, than I am not doing a community service of advising people that it is really okay to have sexual desire and follow through on them. Honestly ........my question is do guys really want the nice girl who wears a chasity belt or do they want a freak in the sheetsβ€” Of course in the public view they will say "I want the nice girl of course" .....in the mean time he is drilling up some fantasies in his head inspired from his internet porn and wishing for the freak in the sheets. lol It is the reality. lol
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Posted by LovelyScorp
not judging. do not have cinderella syndrome.

I feel more like I'm being judged for my views. Did I call anyone any names? No, but am quick to be called old fashioned.

Do what you want. I'll do what I want.

I love sex. I love really great sex. However, I want it to be someone I click with, have some type of bond, and can carry on a conversation with. We don't have to run off and get married. And I don't need some stranger to satisfy my need anyways, I can take care of it myself.

If I screw someone just because I feel like being screwed, isn't that kind of using someone? and don't say "well they are doing the same" because that is ignorant. I use you so you use me?

I'm trying to understand but it's clear that I'm never going to get there.



I am confused......my comment about "Cinderella Syndrome" was not directed at you. *Perplexed confused look* The comment was based on people in general regarding the OP. I was just voicing my experience and opinion about the OP. Sorry if you have become offended that was never my intention. I just happen to think people have unrealistic expectations of sex .....after sex comes i.e. the rose petals, the ring, white picket fence, vacations in the hamptons ....etc. etc. etc. That to me is Cinderella Syndrome.

I totally agree with you about having sex with people we click with. I am no different in that matter.
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and then there are those who don't give a damn, and do whatever they want πŸ˜‰

im guessing your talking about yourself LOL! I knew i liked you for a reason πŸ˜›
I dont accept anyone who constantly cares what other people think lol


Absolument! I don't give two hoots what the hell anybody else does, my one mantra is don't mess with animals and children -otherwise I don't care as what someone else does has no impact on me nor should what I do, have an impact on them.
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That is my main mantra as well. I will be accepting of people's beliefs and opinions but don't let them dare hurt an animal or child on my watch or it's going down!!!!
What's wonderful about these forums is that we all have different opinions and perspectives on things and it doesn't make anyone right or wrong. What is right for one person is wrong for another and vice versa.
I believe we are ever changing our minds and beliefs if we are open to it. Maybe in reading a differing opinion you may have an epiphany and change your view on something that might really bring a sense of peace, liberation, happiness, etc.
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Posted by Beetleguese
LS my dear, been there done that, no fucking t-shirts though...small let down.

I disagree; you...we, are all a product of our environment. The ideals that we are exposed to in our youth shape our beliefs and morals. I've always been a non-conformist; tell me that this is how it is and I will automatically ask why? I hold free will to be the holy grail of humanity. I never have and never will conform to 'this is the way it has always been done'. Independent thought is the greatest gift that evolution has imprinted upon our dna. I do not deny anyone's decision to follow the standards of society, by the same token it is my sincere wish that society would afford me the luxury of taking a path of my own choosing without the disdain that so often follows.



I totally agree. It's funny though b/c I just really started on this path about 5 years ago. I used to be quite a conformist and always trying to fit into the mold that others had for me. Such a cookie cutter mentality I had. I now realize that it's okay to be ME!!! I am allowed to have my own views and opinions that differ from others and can agree to disagree and not worry about it.
I have been on both sides of this issue. I was celibate for 7 years when I was in the church. Now I believe that I should be able to have sex outside of a marriage or even a committed relationship if I want to. Although I am very discriminatory in who I will have sex with. I still want to be treated with respect and I have to have some type of connection with the man. I think both ways are okay as long as you are being true to yourself and what you personally believe. I respect the opinions of everyone and I wish that we wouldn't have to feel judged by society either way.
Hell, my ultimate relationship would be a monogamous relationship but no marriage and I would want to live in my own home and him in his own. Give each other our space and freedom by not feeling the need to be under each other 24/7 but also trust one another so that there are no fears with the freedom. Is that so much to ask? One of my best friends said, "Good luck in finding that." πŸ˜›
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@SPP: It's always good to find a middle ground. Have you tried derivation? πŸ™‚



It is good to find middle ground but what do you mean about trying derivation? πŸ˜›



"In calculus (a branch of mathematics) the derivative is a measure of how a function changes as its input changes. Loosely speaking, a derivative can be thought of as how much one quantity is changing in response to changes in some other quantity; for example, the derivative of the position of a vehicle with respect to time is the instantaneous velocity at which the vehicle is traveling. Conversely, the integral of the velocity over time is how much the vehicle's position changes from the time when the integral begins to the time when the integral ends."

In plain english: If the guy treats you like shit, you treat him like shit. You take away the B in FWB.
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Ah ha! I knew it was a math term but I like how you put it in plain english! Thank you sir. I am totally comfortable in who I am now to be able to put a stop to being treated disrespectfully and I would definitely take the B out of FWB if he wasn't treating me good and making sure my needs were met! I will not ever let a man make me feel bad about myself again b/c "Homie don't play that!!!" πŸ˜„
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Posted by cancersunleomoon123
For the record,if someone gets treated damn good,why the fuck should they have to CONFORM to some societal label if they really and truly don't want toβ€” Why,not just live,and love,and expereince instead of doing things the way some other person tells us to?


And,i'm not even talking about FWB. I'm talking about ALL non monogamus experiences,relationships,involvements,whatever someone chooses to have.

I think having sex with random people is conforming to society's rules. People who haven't had sex in over a month are losers. If you don't have sex, that means you're not interesting or hot enough and your stock goes down. Choosing something doesn't mean it's good for you, right?

I'm offensive but this is just the Internet, remember? I don't talk like that to people.
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Posted by LovelyScorp
offensive is good. enhances conversation.

everyone needs to lighten up a bit. It's friday. This is just fun conversation.

it's not like i'm marching on washington to abolish your fwb rights. gheeeeeezzzzzzzzz πŸ˜‰



Very well spoken my dear. We can all have differing points of view and not get our panties in a wad...right? πŸ˜‰

The world would be a boring place if we were all exactly alike and I find it interesting to see where everyone is coming from. Again I say, there is no right and wrong for everyone b/c it is up to each individual to figure out what is right or wrong for them personally.

The wonderful thing about DXP or any place like this is that if you disagree you can voice why and just move on. I don't think any of our views are being conformist, I just think we are being individuals! πŸ™‚
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Posted by BellaBulleautiful
That's why for the last 6 mo. or so,I've stopped even participating or giving advice around here unless I just can't stand it.all it ever is,is a reason to argue.and it's the same argument in every thread.I don't even read most of them anymore.
drama bores me.
people will always have an opposing veiwpoint on every topic,and no one wants to hear the other side.

but about this fwb thing....
what kills me,is when someone comes here and asks advice about being in love with a married person,or someone with a gf/bf everyone is quick to tell them how horrible and immoral that is, but several people can say they sleep around nsa,and no way in hell anyone better tell them it's immoral.
maybe the guy cheating is just doing "what works" for him...or maybe your fwb has another person you don't even know about who see's their relationship as more serious... does THAT then make YOU immoral?
why does fwb's get a free pass?


I don't get where the new morality rule book is being sold,because I'd like to read it.



Bella - Could not agree more about the drama.

Now about the morality issue.....The moral compass according to WHO is the question. There are what I would call traditionalist who do follow the biblical moral code of sexuality. Than there are those that follow their own individual moral codes. Neither is wrong or right. Belief and experience plays a strong suit of why people do what they do.

"Neither moral relations nor the moral law can swing in vacuo. Their only habitat can be a mind which feels them; and no world composed of merely physical facts can possibly be a world to which ethical propositions apply." ~ William James
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Posted by Beetleguese
It seems that there is an assumption being made here by the pro monoamorous group; while there certainly exists a subset of society that sleeps with just anyone on (an often drunken) whim, the point that I, and I suspect others were making is that there are also a group of polyamorous people that choose their partners just as carefully as you* (*generic) do. Potential partners are screened for suitably and the sexual act is enjoyed once both partners are satisfied that they are each engaging in a safe, sane and mutually enjoyable act.



I concur. There is no "right or wrong" (imo) - just what is comfortable to the individual. Again, I don't feel compelled to have to justify any actions that I do. All I will say is just because someone choses to possibly engage in sexual activity with more than one, two or three people in their life that they are not "seriously" dating does not equate them to a whore/slut/promiscuous person, etc, and I'm not saying that anybody is necessarily stating that, but it appears that it's been alluded to on several ocassions, and again, if someone feels that way, there is nothing I, nor anyone else can say to dissuade that line of thought, nor would I even want or try to do that.
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Also, I forgot to add. I believe that people who are a. looking to get married, or b. looking to be in a "serious/committed" relationship, may have a differing viewpoint on this, than somebody who isn't looking for a serious relationship and/or to get married. That's not to say that a person can't change their mind, but I've seen with my friends that those who are looking to get into a serious relationship are a bit more conservative in respect to sex (specifically my female friends); versus those who may have just ended a relationship and/or are not looking for a serious relationship (at that point and time)...for whatever reason that may be.
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Posted by Beetleguese
It seems that there is an assumption being made here by the pro monoamorous group; while there certainly exists a subset of society that sleeps with just anyone on (an often drunken) whim, the point that I, and I suspect others were making is that there are also a group of polyamorous people that choose their partners just as carefully as you* (*generic) do. Potential partners are screened for suitably and the sexual act is enjoyed once both partners are satisfied that they are each engaging in a safe, sane and mutually enjoyable act. With this group there is no sleeping with just any Tom, Dick, Mary or Jane. There is a lack of understanding on both sides here, but arguably mostly from the more conservative group which is understandable as they have not walked in those shoes. Morals should be individual values, not an idea equally forced upon all members of society.

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