This scorpio doesn't make sense at all...

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What exactly does this Scorpio want? That's the biggest question.

He hangs around chatting to a girl, holding her hands and generally enjoying her company. Yet, at the same time he has mentioned that he's afraid, afraid that he doesn't actually like the girl and is misleading her unconsciously. Constantly he tells her things like:

"Why do I like you?
Do I only like you because I knew you were interested in me?
Do I only like you because you were the first one to approach me?"

When he first got to know the other girl, he wasn't sure if it'd work out because the Aries seemed rather closed off about herself. He wasn't sure if they were that compatible, especially as the girl would self-identify as normal. When the Scorpio always said: "I feel like I actively select my friends, I choose to be with them because they seem interesting as an individual. I don't really self-identify as normal..." so it's likely that he thinks to himself: "Why am I interested in this 'normal' girl?" and then he starts to doubt once about his own emotions towards her.

Yet at the same time, having spent more time with this girl. He has grown to like her more as there is now an emotional connection established, where as previously it was just teasing the other individual within a group of friends eg: You're so violent! Slow! etc...

He feels compelled to see her, and having heard her confession, feels comfortable around her when he allows himself to receive the affection. Yet he still doubts, he wonders whether he is just using the girl to satisfy the deep desire to be close to another individual, in which he figures that he doesn't really like the other girl in a romantic sense. But at the same time, he doesn't want to let go, he doesn't want to let go the idea of not being close to the individual and has been upset when disconnected...

Overall there's clearly alot of doubt of his own emotions, and he doesn't feel that it's fair to string on the Aries with his uncertainty to the extent that he is tempted to end it between them believing it would be a better option for the Aries.

Can any scorpio here make sense of what he might be feeling?
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Well, without intense feelings, how would one know the difference between platonic love and romantic love?
If one doesn't know the difference, would it not be a bad idea to get into a relationship/date someone?

I've just come to the conclusion.

I'm probably just desperate to be emotionally close to another individual, it would explain why I sometimes think of the idea of being with her. It's the most logical explanation to my own feelings but now I'm just left more confused than ever...

I'm not sure if my feelings are romantic, but still experience the desire to be around her. It's just a mind-screw.
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Posted by ariessun
oh please...tell "scorpio" to get over himself...she's probably not that into him in the first place...and no one strings a female aries for long anyways unless we WANT to be strung along...and frankly, i've yet to meet a male scorpio who's concerned about a romantic interests' feelings whatsoever...it's usually all about their own oh-so-deep, intense "feelings" first and foremost...and of course, THE EGO...
yea...good luck luck with that ram "kero"...i predict she'll have you begging for mercy by the time all's said and done. or perhaps she already has...



I love you...

God, you are soooo right on! One scorp I knew was pretty concerned with my feelings at first, but ultimately, it was all about him. (Of course)
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Posted by Kero
Well, without intense feelings, how would one know the difference between platonic love and romantic love?
If one doesn't know the difference, would it not be a bad idea to get into a relationship/date someone?

I've just come to the conclusion.

I'm probably just desperate to be emotionally close to another individual, it would explain why I sometimes think of the idea of being with her. It's the most logical explanation to my own feelings but now I'm just left more confused than ever...

I'm not sure if my feelings are romantic, but still experience the desire to be around her. It's just a mind-screw.



Kero,
If you don't know the difference, stay out of the relationship rhelm altogether and spare us (especially us Aries woman) from your confusion as you will just hurt her by leading her on. Scorps are masters at the mind-fuck. Please figure out how you really feel (not sure how you don't know already) before you leave permanent scares on the Ram. If there are no intense feelings, than you probably just want to fuck her...which is o.k, but you need to make that clear now and NOT later.
BTW...How old are you?
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Kero,
If you don't know the difference, stay out of the relationship rhelm altogether and spare us (especially us Aries woman) from your confusion as you will just hurt her by leading her on. Scorps are masters at the mind-fuck. Please figure out how you really feel (not sure how you don't know already) before you leave permanent scares on the Ram. If there are no intense feelings, than you probably just want to fuck her...which is o.k, but you need to make that clear now and NOT later.
BTW...How old are you?




I'm 21. Don't worry... I'll stay away from her if my emotions are playing tricks with me. Not sure, how we're going to live together next year without it being awkward since I don't know how to act without crossing boundaries of normal friendship.

Regarding the whole wanting her for sex.
One of the main reasons I can't tell the difference is because I've never really experienced sexual attraction/crushes on anybody. You might think that's a bit weird, but yes, I sometimes wonder if I'm an ASEXUAL scorpio.

I'm drawn to this girl, or at least, I'm drawn to the idea of having someone that likes me, and showing my appreciation towards them. Almost like a fairy tale? Meh... I'm probably too idealistic about the idea of love.
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Posted by ramfishtwins
"When he first got to know the other girl, he wasn't sure if it'd work out because the Aries seemed rather closed off about herself."

Also, this is normal for Aries girls. We like to share about ourselves, but we can be quite cautious in letting people in.



Yeah...
I hold true to the scorpio description in the sense that I'm interested in a persons emotional life, and how they respond to the world. Little, did I realise that she's not one to share her life with people normally and I took that the wrong way interpreting it as "we don't have that much in common". It's rather annoying since she's opening up now, and I can see that she's interested in psychology/philosophy and whatever else, but the first impression is stuck with me. =.=

Whatever, I want to stay loyal to this friend. She seems like someone that is worth sticking around for.
Maybe these emotions are false and induced by the false sense of emotional connection I currently have but eh...

Yes. This scorpio is mindscrewing himself over.
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Here is my friend's perspective on the matter... For those Aries that are interested.
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For most people, it should be easy to differentiate their feelings for someone as romantic or friendship right?

But how can you be sure? Does that initial "spark" need to present in order to be able to distinguish between friendship or romance?

Those too lazy to carry on reading, what are your opinions/views on the above questions?

So here's the story:

A couple of months ago, I confessed to a friend that I liked him. At the time, he told me that he couldn't tell me how he felt towards me, because he wasn't sure if he just enjoyed the attention that I give him, or if he did actually like me (he went to a same sex school btw). So anyway, since telling me that, it took him a few weeks to work out his feelings.

During this time, I talked about it a lot to a friend of mine about the situation. They told me (and pretty harshly) that I shouldn't let myself get involved with him. From my friend's point of view, they saw it as the guy messing with my head and that it wasn't worth all the possible heartache that could come with it.

Anyhow, eventually he told me that he does like me. But the problem is that he doesn't know whether his feelings are platonic or romantic, since he doesn't really have past experience to base it on due to going to a same sex school.

Currently, we're just getting to know each other better. But honestly speaking, is it really worth the risk? He's the first person that I have ever been so open to, as I find it hard to open up to people. And I feel that by doing this, I'll end up getting very attached to him further down the line. So if he was to end up thinking that it was just friendship, and we were to remain as friends, wouldn't the friendship be affected since beforehand, we had always interacted by teasing, and in way probably flirtatiously? Therefore would it be better to end it before I end up falling for him? Another problem would be that if things were to become awkward, it would become even more awkward since we're planning on sharing a flat next year at uni.
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I admit, I'm not feeling as optimistic about the whole situation as I initially was, especially when a friend of mine commented on how long it was taking us, as well as asking me about potential problems. A lot of times, I find myself thinking: If he can't work out whether his feelings are platonic or romantic, then surely it should be the former? So I guess it's mainly because of this, that I think I should probably just leave/end it? =/

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How is he being unfair by taking his time? If he's unsure of his feelings, he's unsure of his feelings. Look at it this way, you've invested a bit emotionally into this, and he knows that. Right now, it seems to him that he only has two options, date you or have nothing to do with you, when realistically that's not necessarily the case. Regardless what happens, the dynamics of your friendship will be effected after this, and the dude knows that. He's telling you to give him time because he sees potential in a relationship, but he's not necessarily seeing that now. Give him time. In the meanwhile, back off a bit. Step back, treat him like a friend, and see where things go. Friends don't necessarily just flirt/tease, but if that's what your friendship is based off of, then that's not really worth keeping if things don't work out, huh? Also, it's not such a bad thing that he's the type to "over analyze" things. Isn't that way better than him mixing up his flattery with feelings of affection for you? To only dump you later after realizing his mistake? This boy isn't doing you wrong, just yet.


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Maybe I took your post the wrong way or something, but it just seemed as though you're saying that I'm not giving him time or something? Also, I never said anything about him doing me any wrong. =S

Initially, it was him that was rushing to work out his feelings for me, because he was the one who thought that it was unfair to drag it on and make me wait for him. However when I realised this, I did step back and told him to take his time and that there wasn't a need to try and rush things. It's not that I'm not giving him time, and as friends we've gotten to know each other better, something that we were just starting to do before I even confessed. It's just that friendship-wise, I see him as being someone that I could potentially become close friends with, disregarding the whole relationship side of it, call me selfish or whatever, but I guess it's something that I'm not so willing to lose, since he's one of the few people that I can be open to.blockquote>
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You know what Aries?
I'm not entirely sure why you are so determined to make me out to be the negative person here. Yes, I'm a perfectionistic individual that likes to control his own emotions and make the best of life through logic. An individual with the fear of losing complete control of himself even through alcohol and stuff. She on the other hand, appears to be more go with the flow sort of individual like my other closest friend. But is that not just being human though?

Why does it matter that much? As long as I'm not attempting to control another individual, and just control myself. I'm totally fine with that. You make it out to be such a negative trait, wanting to control myself. In the past, I didn't control myself in primary school, and it costed me. I got transferred out of school (kicked out in my eyes) and it destroyed my self-confidence.

Holding my balls? Not really. As I mentioned before hand I'm not that interested in sex. It's more the closeness I'm after.
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I don't identify with all the Scorpio aspect, especially the negative manipulative aspects of the chart.

"At work, ISFJs contribute loyal, sympathetic, consistent, and considerate service to others. They are know for their kindness and for their willingness to go to any length to help those in need. They take the practical needs of people into account when they do their work, and their strong follow-through skills allow them to carry out organizational goals. They do at least what is expected to them and oftentimes more, without attracting attention to themselves. They are painstaking and responsible with detail and routine, and feel it is important to have the right things in the right places at the right times."
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My other aspects of my astrological chart essentially cancel out the edge of scorpio.

Sun Scorpio 09?? 11' 11th House
Moon Leo 08?? 41' 8th House
Mercury Libra 22?? 9' 10th House
Venus Libra 02?? 55' 10th House
Mars Aries 00?? 1' 4th House
Jupiter Gemini 03?? 56' 7th House
Saturn Sagittarius 28?? 54' 1st House
Uranus Sagittarius 28?? 23' 1st House
Neptune Capricorn 07?? 57' 2nd House
Pluto Scorpio 12?? 15' 11th House
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(continued) "Sun Sign Scorpio with Mercury in Libra - This takes some of the harsh, deeply incisive edge off the Scorpio Sun sign traits, and gives the ability to listen sympathetically. There is greater flexibility of thought, so stubbornness is less of a problem. Popular and charming, you communicate well. The tendency to brood - especially over personal problems - is not as apparent, since you will find it easier to talk to friends and loved ones. The mind works well, but in a relaxed way. "

Regarding the friends page. It was on a forum that I accidently came upon, the topic was regarding something that I was troubled over "Platonic vs Romantic Feelings" and I only later realised that my friend was the one who posted it as I read through the details. I'm interested in the replies as well.
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Meh.

It looks like this place is way too focused on the fact that I'm trying to get into my friends pants. When I've clearly stated that's what I'm not doing.

All I'm doing is focusing perhaps a little way too much on myself, and that should be an indicator on how I feel about my friend. As for her averageness. She's already broke down many barriers and concepts I have regarding friendship.

She's the first one to self-identify as normal. Making me question what exactly normal means - whether it really means boring/average as once believed?

Does that really matter that much in friendship? I still enjoy her company and when I think about my first impressions, they seem extremely inaccurate so I don't really trust myself there.

YES. I don't have control of myself, I don't trust myself. Are you trying to say that's a good thing? A scorpio acting out when he's uncertain of his own feelings/thoughts and intentions? Does that not spell disaster?

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Posted by buttercupSG
well my impartial suggestion would be you first stop hanging out with her for a month and see how you feel.


you seem to have this hangup about how 'normal' she is and how you suppose to be attracted to someone less 'normal' as you put it. i can understand cuz you are young and may need to go though a few crazy (lol 😉) girls before you can appreciate 'normal' lol. i'm not joking tho i do understand where you are coming from and i infact think you should follow your quest of someone less 'normal' because if you don't you will always wonder and likely to hurt your 'normal' friend in the future.


btw, no one is normal lol.







In all honesty? I'll probably miss her and the closeness factor. In general I'm usually quite attached to my friends (contemplated staying at the same university despite hating the degree but ultimately had to follow my through with my decision to study Psychology. I was lucky that I managed to get back into the same university as everyone but I remember being upset about losing everyone.)

But... Just because I miss her doesn't mean anything. It could just mean that I miss the feeling or idea of having someone beside me. I know many people who have gone into a relationship for the sake of a relationship, and I don't want to go down that path if it's true for me.

You can tell being a psychology student doesn't help my fears, the idea that I could be deceiving myself.

As for her "normal". It's more to do with the fact that I originally thought we weren't that compatible in terms of conversations/interests despite our teasing (emphasis: non-sexual) between us. I thought it was a rather shallow friendship so wanted to get to know her better.

She likes two things that I was originally totally against. Shopping/Make up...
While I was much more into talking about dreams/psychology/interpersonal relationships and all that. When she didn't respond to any of my questions... I just got the impression she didn't really care that much about the stuff that I'm interested in. What exactly is a friendship that doesn't have conversation? It's just an activity-based friendship.
I now see that's not true though, once I realised that she does have a more deeper side to her, that is interested in that stuff.

Spending time with her, I came to care less about the superficial differences. One of the major things I th
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Bleh I lost my 2nd half of my post and can't remember what I was writing.

Anyhow...

She's an extremely kind individual (sensitive-harmony based individual)
She's into the same hobbies (hence friendship group) such as gaming.
She studies psychology and is understanding of other people.
She's a fun individual to be around and some of the things she does with my closest friend is quite cute.
She's shown that she is interested in the stuff that I am in...
She's stress free individual that goes with the flow (completely different to me)

For all these reasons, I know that I'll probably become an extremely good friend with her. But as she once mentioned, traits are not what determine whether you like someone romantically or not. And she's right! There will always be someone that is more funny/quirky/caring out there...

Anyhow in the span of 2 months. She's managed to challenge a whole load of beliefs of mine indirectly and revealed aspect of myself that I didn't really know existed within me. For example: I'm extremely sensitive to when people reject my ideas with the simple description of 'weird' since it's usually seen as a negative association.

Overall she's an extremely different individual to myself. If anybody studies personality theories such as MBTI or enneagram... She's an ESFP while I'm an ISFJ.

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Posted by ariessun
lmao! do you even see what you're doing kero? go back and read through all your posts...it borders on obsessive...and like i said...the control issue...and no, controlling your emotions all of the time is not healthy, especially in regards to positive emotions...we're not talking about anger here...but feelings you're developing for another person...or do you think you're above all of that?
step back and let yourself feel for once...she's a big girl...and believe me, being an aries, she can take care of herself...so don't do this to her under the guise of protecting her feelings...or don't. your choice.






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Considering I analyse everything in life including my decision to stay at university. Yes, Yes I do already know that I have an extreme tendancy to overthink things to the extent that it becomes all messy and find myself stuck feeling extremely unnatural and stuff.

Above what? What the hell are you talking about?
I'm just asking why am I drawn to a friend.

People are drawn to relationships because of infatuation, only to discover they don't actually like the person.
People are drawn to relationships because of loneliness, they want something to fill the void within them.
People are drawn to relationships because... of curiosity for relationships.

There are so many variables, people entering relationship not for genuine reasons and they often end up in break up down the line. Which is why I think it's extremely important to determine my feelings rather than going down the path and suddenly realising... oh wait sorry, I think I actually just like you as a friend/I was just lonely. Nobody in life deserves to be in a relationship that both people aren't totally devoted to each other.

Whatever, I know she can handle it, I once asked her if she'll hate me (random fear talking) and she asked me if she seemed like the sort of person that holds grudges, the obvious answer was no. I suppose there is a large amount of arrogancy in assuming that I can have that much of an impact on another individual, but I've always been a rather risk/pain-avoidant individual. To see disappointment in others, is the biggest blow to my own self-esteem.


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Posted by ariessun
exactly kero...you DO need to stop THINKING, and just act and let yourself feel...it's painfully obvious that you are fighting this for whatever reason...perhaps you should just enjoy what you have with her in the here and now, and let things happen naturally...
maybe you'll end up in a romantic relationship, or maybe you'll just have a platonic relationship, but regardless of the outcome, the point is, just enjoy spending time with her and quit looking at this in clinical terms...



Agreed...you are driving yourself crazy and this could manifest into other things and possibly push her away. And Eden's spot on when she says to listen to AriesSun. The girl is VERY familiar with the Aries female/Male Scorp combo. I would just hang back for a bit and stop questioning and analyzing everything. You are still very young and have so much time to try and figure out women (which you will never do), so just relax a bit and take it day by day.
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"Not sure, how we're going to live together next year without it being awkward since I don't know how to act without crossing boundaries of normal friendship."

Maybe I missed this part before, but why are you going to be living together??!!
And if you feel compelled to cross those bounderies, than so be it. If you are attracted to her and like being with her, than go for it.
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Posted by ramfishtwins
"Not sure, how we're going to live together next year without it being awkward since I don't know how to act without crossing boundaries of normal friendship."

Maybe I missed this part before, but why are you going to be living together??!!
And if you feel compelled to cross those bounderies, than so be it. If you are attracted to her and like being with her, than go for it.



University students. Her best friend (my close friend) decided she definitely wanted to live with both of us, along with the rest of our group of friends in another close-by block.

Guess I'll see how it comes. I'll just try to make sure that our friendship doesn't waver, if it needn't be so, by getting rid of any awkwardness should things go wrong between the two of us. But of course, if others decide to detach for protective purposes, I can't and won't stop friends from doing what they feel needs be done.

I just hope the future doesn't come to that... whichever path I go down. It's kind of scary.
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Just thought I'd post a little update on the situation before erasing the whole thread here.

My friend came to me a few nights ago and decided that it was best that we stay as friends due to my confusion. I sort of agreed with her, letting her know that I wasn't convienced by my own emotions that I wanted to be with her specifically despite some of my actions suggesting otherwise. I told her that I could see myself doing romantic stuff with her such as valentine gifts/taking her places/hugging her and other cliched things, however that it might just be that I wanted to share my life with SOMEONE, having a special person that I could be close to.

I've done romantic-gestures in the past, wanting to be closer to my best friend, but when it ended I asked myself whether my feelings were actually romantic. It's something that has troubled me greatly and most likely will continue to trouble me in the future, the idea that I struggle at telling the difference between the two emotions. Thus part of me wondered if I was just going down that path with my Aries friend...

Well it's over now.
There's still the feeling of wanting to be around her constantly, occasionally thinking about typically couplish stuff but I figure that it's all potentially an illusion. Whatever, it doesn't matter too much, I've already given part of myself to her in the sense that I want to stay loyal to our friendship.

I can't say I was sad that it's ended, but we ended things quite early stage. I've no idea whether this was the right choice but it certainly seems like the most practical/safest path to go down where we both definitely won't end up feeling horrible if things were to go wrong.
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Just as long as you are following what you truly feel is right, things will be o.k. And it sounds like this is exactly what you are doing. Maybe you could remain being friends with her and who knows? Sparks could fly and it will feel right. Just give it time and enjoy having a good friend, cause an Aries lady is a good friend who will care for you deeply.
Good luck!