Am I drowning my Virgo man?!

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Hello to all from the Netherlands first 🙂

I recently started to read on this forum, cause i think the dutch really lack subjects like these 😉
and because I don't feel fit in easy with my Piscean personality, I'm trying to get lucky here.
So if my story isn't clear at all...don't blame the dutch girl 😄

I'm a real Pisces born on february 22nd. I'm the dreamy one, the emotional, insecure girl who wants to take care of everyone else instead of myself first. I'm not lucky in love. I divorced from a taurus, and it seems I fall only for leo, sagg or taurus....till the end of june, when I met my new boyfriend who's a virgo (Yikes!!) I never was into a relation with a virgo, and I've read a lot about virgo men and their personalities...again YIKES!!

When we've met it was heaven galore. We bonded immediately, we had great talks, but he went to egypt 2 days after we've met. In those 10 days we texted a lot, we called 4 times, and had our laughs. As a Piscean my heart did the talking. Said to him that 10 days was to long, while he said as the practical virgo that we could overcome those 10 days easily. Till he texted me the day after that for him 10 days was to long too 🙂 he texted me a lot saying he was missing me, that he liked me so much, and that he gave up hope finding someone to spend his life with. Offcourse I was in heaven reading that from him. I've picked him up from the airport when he came back and it was the first time we saw eachother. Still it felt not awkward at all, and it felt like a match made in heaven. I stayed for 5 days with him, and we had the time of our life together. He introduced me to his parents (a man who introduces me to his parents right away...omg...good sign!!) He introduced me to his sister and his friends. And he told everyone that I'm his girl...

My Virgo man was single for the last 3 years, and he told me he just waited for the right girl to come along...(offcourse I felt flattered) But he also told me to take small steps...that's the virgo right? On his own pace to see and observe me if I'm really the one for him. So we only see eachother in the weekends, because we live 1 hour drive from eachother.

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When we are together he's sweet, tells me he's crazy about me, that he sees a future with me, and when we're in public he's very protective about me. grabbing my hand in crowded places, keeping me close to him. Those are the things I like as a Pisces, but he can turn like a leaf. Getting distant and real cold. It's confusing me like crazy.

During the week when I'm not with him, it's like out of sight out of mind. When I text him, I get a short reply, or none at all. Even when he said you can call me anytime or text me, I'm scared to do so, because i think I'm to pushy with him.

I'm trying to not let my emotions take over, cause I know he's allergic to it, but I still want to be myself, because that's what he likes about me too. As a Pisces I can't think logic, I think with my heart, and I know I can learn to be logic from him. I don't want to split my personality because of him. I need to be myself, but on the other hand, I like this guy so much I want to make this work, and I do want to make some compromises towards him.

He doesn't need to reassure me everyday that he likes me, but I do want the feeling that I'm in a relationship during the days I'm not with him. It makes me so insecure, when he ignores me, that I'm questioning myself if he's really that into me, eventhough he tells me often that I know he likes me...

I'm such in a twilight zone with this man lol

Any insights? thank you in advance 🙂
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This sounds familiar to my relationship, but not the ones that i had in the past. My Pisces gives me the courage to protect her and do things that I have never expected to do with a Pisces woman. Yet, I do have my tendencies to respond in short answers or nothing at all because I always find myself bombarded with work, so I tend to wonder. You shouldn\'t really worry, he told you that he doesn\'t mind. Your just afraid that he\'ll disappear like the rest of the Virgos, but you should consider that he might also be busy with whatever task he has.
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Posted by P-Angel
No insights at this moment ..... I do want to say, though ...



For a person who doesn't have English as their first language .. you have a better handle on English than our people living in the inner cities do ... and that is very disturbing to me.


It's good for you, though.



that's because they teach proper English in schools abroad, and self esteem 101 in our federally run schools.
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Actually, I know that my Piscean personallity can blow up this whole relationship. It's like you know what the best thing to do is, but you act different. Like I can see in his little acts that he likes me. Making me a cup of coffee, handing me his cell to talk with his mom 🙂 And maybe the biggest thing is, that I'm in his bed every weekend, that he kisses me, and holding me when he is in a warm mood, after 3 years of being single. I know I'm saying that I don't expect things from him, but actually I expect him to say that he's into me, and in the long run even love me, but that darn fish in me is yelling for his words and not for his actions.

I think I'm drowing myself instead of my virgo man, and I have gills...

I have great selfesteem, even a bit arrogant at times, but when I'm really into a man...omg..I can get so totally insecure, and I'm tending to not show it to him, but it's lingering under my surface.
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I don't think I saw him insecure, actually he has a big mouth, or maybe I don't read him as insecure, or his big mouth is a cover up for his insecurity lol. I know I should speak to him about it Sorti, but yet again my Piscean mind thinks for him already, and it tells me that he thinks we're not far enough in this relationship to talk about feelings and commitments. I know plain wrong, but that's keeping me from having the talk just yet. I don't want to scare him away from me. I can have a conversation without the sentimental and emotions take over 😉
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I think you have a valid reason to be insecure, a weekend relationship may be too little for you to handle....Keep busy, very busy and maybe find a few guys that you enjoy hanging out with not in a romantic way but in a friendship way to keep your mind focused on you plus other men will keep you feeling good about yourself, feeling sure that your desirable when this one guy is dragging his feet, I don't feel your drowning your virgo but your drowning yourself in your own fears by resisting being who you are to please and keep him almost has an air of desperation on your part...Even if you fuck it all up least you can say you did it your way and you were being true to yourself which you can learn from especially learn how to manage your emotions around men you want to keep but yes slow down, breathe, go have fun, take your time and explore other things you enjoy besides him. FYI you don't have to hang out with other men if your not comfortable with that but I'm a firm believer in a woman not giving ALL of herself to a man that isn't ready to claim a woman as in be exclusive....Once some men find they have ALL of you they tend to slack off and stop doing the things that keep a woman around and interested.

I find that men (not all but some) are very intuitive and can sniff out needy behavior in a second and some distance themselves, it's not thought out it's just something he does to protect himself and not let a woman occupy his entire life.

I think you know deep down he's not really doing his part but when he decides to step up it's heaven which keeps you hooked, if he's not giving enough you will only find yourself feeling more desperate over this guy....Don't settle
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Oh Tiki great insight. For the married part, def. not married, never was also.
Yes, to be honest, I let my fear take me, because of my past with bad relationships.
The one thing is that I know myself through and through. When I turned 30 I had a weird sense of self reflection, and came to the conclusion that some things in me can't and won't be changed.
Like for instance...I know my virgo man can help me to give some sense of reality instead of my dreamy nature, getting organized (chaos is my middle name), especially on the patience thing and being practical.

But still I'm a thinker by heart and not by mind. I can't change that, like he can't change his logic way of thinking. I don't want to change him, I just want to accept him the way he is, but I do want to know where he bases his actions on. I want to learn who he is, what drives him to act. And if it's possible he can accept me like I am with the Pisces personality I have.

We are opposites, but so much alike either. It's scary, but yet so challenging, and that so intruiging to me. As a Pisces I'm bored easily, but I think with my Virgo man...there's always a twist and turn that I want to figure out.

He doesn't believe in signs, but heck...he's such a typical virgo lol. When he has his "good" mood he really is the sweetest, most loyal man I've ever had. Which is giving my Pisces a boost of confidence, but when he does the cold thing, it's breaking again aarrgghh lol

He can make me, or break me 😉
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Trying Cajun, but I really think about tiki's words...Yes I want to be patient with him, let him walk in his own pace, but on the other hand, maybe a weekend relationship for me is to little. So the ball is at my end I think. He said that it's still the plan I'm going to live with him in time (but it was after some beer, so how serious is that) and he talks a lot with his dad, and his dad told me he really likes me, cause my virgo man is pretty relaxed (allthough he's biting his nails constantly lol) but it's mindfundling hearing the words and than get the cold shower.
So maybe I don't have to worry about him, but about myself 🙂

thank you Cajun for your reply!
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Lovely pisces dreamy nature is wonderful....Slow down, this guy may have other fishies in the sea...Isn't it a little too soon to allow a man to make or break you, you have only known this for a short amount of time, seems a bit weird to to give all of yourself away like this, your begging for heartache. Typically when men are running hot and cold there is some underlying issues such as another love interest, married, not as into you as he's led you to believe, commitmentphobia of some kind which includes intimacy issues (being too close).

I don't think it's a matter of you changing who you are but it's more a matter of you having both feet planted firmly on the ground so you can see what your dealing with as it stands now your still swept up in the honeymoon phase and a bit blinded by the chemistry.
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Also to be clear, I don't know if you have anything to worry about. It's more on the lines of are you happy, are you getting what you need from this relationship and if your not are you prepared to move on if you have to.

Patience is needed but don't hang around too long holding onto his words, hopefully he will back his words up with action at some point but if he doesn't then what are you going to do about it?
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I don't want to change him, I just want to accept him the way he is, but I do want to know where he bases his actions on. I want to learn who he is, what drives him to act. And if it's possible he can accept me like I am with the Pisces personality I have.









Loyalty ... it doesn't matter what you do, who you talk to, where you go, how you feel, what you like .. if you are loyal to him, then that is all he needs.

I have a friend and when I'm at her house, I will call my Virgo husband when I get there. She gets indignant, like why the hell do you have to do that ... I answer ..


I don't have to.
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Tiki, I'm sure it's entirely possible for an Aqua to have other men in waiting, just in case .. however, a Piscean female only knows how to devote herself, completely.

She knows no other way.


You counsel her to remain aloof, like you would do, to have other men she might want to develop friendships with just so she doesn't put everything in one man .... and she cannot be an Aqua.

A Piscean female gives to her man her world ... granted this world may be slightly altered, but, it's in its entirety, nevertheless.
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it wasn't litterally meant he could make or break me. I'm positive there are no other fishies in this sea. The honeymoon phase was over soon, and now I'm trying to find out if his personality and he intruiges me enough to put time and effort/energy in a relationship, which can be a one way road. As a Pisces I easily "feel" if someone can be worth my fight, but with this man, I can't read or feel his intentions. And now I can't make myself clear due to the language barrier 😢
If a Pisces is in love, or really like someone, they are commited fast to that person. Not litterally as in clingy (allthough Pisces tend to be clingy) but we want to make efforts to make a relationship work. But on the other hand we need reassurance from the other that it's ok we spend time to let the relationship grow...

wait, i just have to think about how I want to say this in proper english, without putting myself in some light I don't mean to put myself in, and can easily be missjudged or missinterpretate what I mean 😄
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I do have other men in my life, but not as an option, that's true.
If he's not coming around, the way I see and feel a relationship can grow on, than it's his loss.
It takes 2 to tango. It's making compromises at both expenses, and not only from my side of the medal.
I know heartache because I was hanging my life on men. Ain't happen again. I'm living my life when I'm not with him. Give him his space, but shame on me, not taking what I need.

My motto

I can give, I can receive, but I can't take 🙂
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Posted by P-Angel
The Virgo man isn't going to be mushy with emotions .. you have to reside yourself to this fact. I know you want the words rather than the actions, but, if you care about him then you are going to have to accept him the way he comes.



exactly!
that's what I'm trying to do. accept him like he is, don't expect him that he isn't the dreamy, emotional creature that I am, and that he can't get to my dreamy fantasy about what he should be, what he should say or how he should act. He's a perfectionist, and I'm not perfect, so he has to accept that, like I have to accept he never can make my standard of my dreamy prince in my fairytail mind....eehm or something lol
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"If he's not coming around, the way I see and feel a relationship can grow on, than it's his loss."

I don't get that logic. If he doesn't come around, to infer, he isn't all that into you .. then how can that be his lose, if he never considered you his win?

::: shrugs :::


"It's making compromises at both expenses, and not only from my side of the medal."

What do you feel he isn't doing in terms of not compromising? It sounds to me like he's doing a lot to make you feel special to him.


For Dy ...

Cues verse of Credence Clearwater Revival

And when you ask them, "How much should we give?"
Ooh, they only answer, "More! more! more!" yo
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It isn't logic at all, because we Pisceans can't think logic and so it's not making any sense. For me at this point I do feel as his win, but with his rules, and I'm not going to be in a relationship based on only his rules. So that was what I mean that it will be his loss if he doesn't come around and want to compromise and listen to my needs.

for the second quote...you're right...can't argue on that one...like the stfu to myself and drag myself to the pisces thread 😉

Yes, we want to give our man our world, but to speak for myself. I've learned that I never let myself out of sight again, cause we're easily walked over, or even used.

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Posted by P-Angel
"I know heartache because I was hanging my life on men. Ain't happen again. I'm living my life when I'm not with him. Give him his space, but shame on me, not taking what I need."



I cannot help you ... you are a very different Fish from me. You are different from any female Fish I've ever met.


Good Luck, and I hope you find more.



ehm...dunno if this is a good thing lol Are we fish all the same? Or do I have that Dutch conciseness?
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Tiki, I'm sure it's entirely possible for an Aqua to have other men in waiting, just in case .. however, a Piscean female only knows how to devote herself, completely.

She knows no other way.


You counsel her to remain aloof, like you would do, to have other men she might want to develop friendships with just so she doesn't put everything in one man .... and she cannot be an Aqua.

A Piscean female gives to her man her world ... granted this world may be slightly altered, but, it's in its entirety, nevertheless.



I see..Thanks P for the insight
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Pisces2202 I suggest and caution you to slow down, pay attention to his unavailable patterns and how that makes you feel, maybe what you feel now is enough to know you need to slow down and not give this guy so much of yourself. At this point he's created a boundary, an unspoken rule so to speak that he wants you to follow which is don't bother me when I'm not with you, if you do I will be vague as to not encourage you to continue contact, I'm only available when I'm with you and when I'm not you won't get that much of me, maybe it's no one else in his life, that could be true yet his hot and cold behavior will always keep you off balance and feeling anxious, i dunno about you but I can't live like that, men like that are extremely selfish with themselves, I guess it's something you have to come to terms with....will you/can you can live within a relationship on his emotional terms.
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I don't think I saw him insecure, actually he has a big mouth, or maybe I don't read him as insecure, or his big mouth is a cover up for his insecurity lol.



Thats the point, he is not insecure, but if you introduce yours with his then you'll allow him to question your feelings, which can cause him to drift...I'm just pointing out the little (but major) problems that many Virgo's tend to explode.

I know I should speak to him about it Sorti, but yet again my Piscean mind thinks for him already , and it tells me that he thinks we're not far enough in this relationship to talk about feelings and commitments. I know plain wrong, but that's keeping me from having the talk just yet. I don't want to scare him away from me. I can have a conversation without the sentimental and emotions take over 😉
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Don't assume anything, especially a virgo. This is where the communication needs to be involved because you are wise (pisces) you still don't know that a virgo has his plans of his own. I'm telling you, COMMUNICATION. If you can talk then you can handle the virgo...Simply put.
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thnx again for all the insights and inputs, it really helps straighten my thoughts and feelings.
It's just that my thinking cap is annoying me like crazy. During the week when I'm not with him I have loads of time to think about him, us, me, eventhough i have a great full life, and I'm making myself insecure of analyzing his every move. Till I'm with him again and everything disappears, I feel happy with him. I know deep down he likes me, based on his actions, based on what family and friends tell me, but that he's not there yet. And what there means, I just don't know :s For me mixed signals are just confusing. In the weekends I'm his sweety, babe, woman, and he acts on it (ok not 24/7) but during the week there is no sign of affection.

It's not that I feel I'm his "Booty Call". I feel like I'm his not quite yet g/f. I know he values the opinions about me from his family and friends, and luckily they're all positive about me.

Ok, I really need to talk about this with him tomorrow when I see him again. Like you said Sorti, communication is key, and while I'm a chatty woman, communicating with someone I really like, does make me insecure, because I'm just afraid he'll run from me. But on the other hand when he'll run, I'll have my answer...sigh men and women and relationships...not sign related lol
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Pisces2202:

Virgo is our Polar opposite. I suggest reading everything you can in the Virgo archives...because you may sabotage the one thing you truly hold dear.
This will not be an easy relationship. READ



Totally agree with Seavixen, before you communicate take some time not to think about any of it, lean all the way back, focus on yourself only so you can change your vibe, make sure that WHAT you communicate to him doesn't come off as needy, right now you have this really big I'M NEEDY vibe which could sabotage your efforts. If you need more time suggest doing something together during the week and see how he reacts to that, you really can't base his true feelings off of what others say to you especially if he's only giving you the weekends which means he's not as serious about you as you would like him to be at the moment. I would think after being single for 3 years he's not ready to couple up with anyone, getting his feet wet so to speak as in getting his groove back, testing the waters but not really ready to get completely tied down with anyone. For the most part I hope the talk goes well for you, let us know how it works out.

Gosh I hate to see women tie themselves down to one man, especially a man that isn't forthcoming with all the good boyfriend stuff that makes a woman feel safe...It's like torture to me ):
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Actually my weekend turned out great! I was relaxed, didn't expect anything, took my distance when I wanted to do my own thing and let him do his. We joked around a lot, he showed affection towards me, without me asking for it. I now understand what you mean with, he'll come around when you're not on top of him, and actions say more than words.
I was comfortable being out of my piscean comfortzone, and also being myself. Being relaxed in your head, will make you relaxed in your actions.
For me it's now more intruiging to observe virgoans than get frustrated with them 🙂

@seavixen: I did read the archives and it helped a lot! It helped me to be less tense and cramped around him, and just go with the flow. I didn't understand the famous virgo stare, but now I do lol. Actually virgoans are really cool people 😄 They're really sweet if you accept them who they are, and leave them in their dignity (don't know if you say it like that) and their humor is beyond funny if you can handle those little funny jokes on your expense and don't let them walk over you.

hope this will continue like this, cause i really had a blast. I'm totally relaxed now, and will see what it will bring.