I am going to pre-apologize: what should I make of me (Pisces) and this Virguy?

I am a Pisces with Libra Moon. I am very self-aware and know I am spoiled sometimes but extremely thoughtful compassionate and well-intentioned.

In the beginning he was being weird but would randomly message me. We went out on a date, he was being patronizing, then after the date I told him I like him at an odd time over text, it was a surprise for him so he says he is going through a rough time and doesn't want to drag anyone else into it and he has a hard time showing emotions....I'm a Pisces----need I say more--that really doesn't make me run away. Then I got mad and called him out on his BS and how he puts all of his emotions in his art that's why there is nothing left for himself or those he loves. He liked that for some reason. Then I did many telepathy readings and he loved those because they were accurate.

Then I got emotional on him and it went downhill in a matter of a few days...because my new job is a bait and switch and parental illness.....through text but then told him I don't expect responses. He was fine with the random talk but then when I was emotional he was easily overwhelmed and would tell me to have more confidence and that confidence is the most attractive quality. I apologized to him for being overly emotional and he was surprised I apologized--as if no one had apologized to him before. He thought I was trying to take advantage by revealing my emotions. My first thought was---what kind of person would take advantage of someone like this?

I think he is feeling pressured because his friends think we would be a good match. I have told him I think I'd be good for him.I have told him blatantly I have a crush on him. He stares at me from across the room. Every time I tell him I have a crush on him I get the sense he thinks I am playing games with him. I actually messaged him two weeks ago and told him I would give him space for one month. He has always been an aloof person but then again he is mostly physically gone--he's a digital artist who is in a different country every weekend with an exhibit.

I am intuitive but I don't know what to make of the situation. I feel he thinks I am innocent, beautiful, but naïve but then doesn't trust his own judgement and thinks I have strange intentions. I get the sense that he is very insecure. I know he is attracted to me. I know he doesn't sleep around or see other women and I don't sleep around with other men. But I am a Pisces--I do not want to be in a dreamland if he doesn't want me in his life. He is presenting mid-December and I want to come to show my support but I am not sure if it will be awkward. I like him because of how dedicated he is.

I am spoiled because I am told all the time that I am pretty so I know guys will flock to me--but Virgos I know don't care about physical beauty so I can't use that on him. I do remember him looking at my butt and when we went out he was staring at my cleavage and kind of slipped up in a cute embarrassed way verbally about it (to be fair I am thin with DDs) but when I wear crop tops he only stares at my stomach which is strange. One time, he was so deeply involved in his conversation when I arrived that he only noticed me when his friends stared at me. I also have an inkling two of his friends he's known for over 6+ years are really attracted to me--this has happened before and may present a problem.

Also even though he presents himself as humble and shy I think he likes being the center of attention and is a tad narcissistic (I still really like this though) and I think there is something about him that makes him think I will take the spotlight from him--so I feel he wants someone to be great but not greater than him.

Again, I am giving him space for a month. I am very selective and can be prudish in general but I want to be in it for the long haul with him I think about sex with him all of the time--he didn't want to sleep with me after the date and I was confused because most guys do and then I have to tell them that's not how I do things. Honestly he might just be happy to be rid of me (the emotional girl).....but I will never know that--he's in Europe and mobile digital communication has been fasted from. I do want him, I think I would be good for him, I don't know....

Is there one man in the world for whom physical beauty means nothing? Seriously...is this a statement from the same box where ‘size doesn’t matter’ is resting in peace? Lmao

Posted by s_i_e_r_r_a

how long have you known each other?

4-5 months---- really seems shorter because I just moved here and started a job, movede furniture, and I travelled as well...and he's always in another country so I would really realistically say maybe only 2 or so months

Posted by Gemitati

Is there one man in the world for whom physical beauty means nothing? Seriously...is this a statement from the same box where ‘size doesn’t matter’ is resting in peace? Lmao

Honestly, I don't think it's a bonus me being beautiful--I think it scares him if anything.

Again, I don't really think I am that pretty but people tell me all the time I am beautiful and I get away with the spoiled routine too often so that's my verification. lol

Posted by hyland0989

Posted by Gemitati

Is there one man in the world for whom physical beauty means nothing? Seriously...is this a statement from the same box where ‘size doesn’t matter’ is resting in peace? Lmao

Honestly, I don't think it's a bonus me being beautiful--I think it scares him if anything.

Again, I don't really think I am that pretty but people tell me all the time I am beautiful and I get away with the spoiled routine too often so that's my verification. lol

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Is he less than attractive man?

Does he think of you as he will be viewed as a man with trophy woman?

Posted by Gemitati

Is he less than attractive man?

Does he think of you as he will be viewed as a man with trophy woman?

I think he is so handsome 🙂 but I am biased. When I see a picture of him I swoon

His friends like me. My friends all think he's average looking and that I can do better. But I think they are being rude.

I find him very beautiful and hot 🙂

Also, I am not the trophy wife type--I most likely earn a bit more than him--I am a software engineer. Maybe if people just see looks they might assume but he knows that I am intelligent and Ivy-educated and not that type.

Your overthinking things.

He just told you to be more confident. A random apology is the exact opposite. Chill.

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Posted by Gemitati

Is he less than attractive man?

Does he think of you as he will be viewed as a man with trophy woman?

I think he is so handsome 🙂 but I am biased. When I see a picture of him I swoon

His friends like me. My friends all think he's average looking and that I can do better. But I think they are being rude.

I find him very beautiful and hot 🙂

Also, I am not the trophy wife type--I most likely earn a bit more than him--I am a software engineer. Maybe if people just see looks they might assume but he knows that I am intelligent and Ivy-educated and not that type.

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Hon! I think you’ve being too easy on yourself! Your post screams ‘narcissist’ and he sees trough it.

And I think he better off without you and you...maybe you’ll grow up. But I don’t think so.

That’s DXP reality check just jumped out of me though I’ve tried...

Ivy league...software ingeneer?

I’ve become one after 6 month of computer school and few years of experience. Like 2...so...just not buying it! But that’s me.

Posted by Gemitati

Hon! I think you’ve being too easy on yourself! Your post screams ‘narcissist’ and he sees trough it.

And I think he better off without you and you...maybe you’ll grow up. But I don’t think so.

That’s DXP reality check just jumped out of me though I’ve tried...

Ivy league...software ingeneer?

I’ve become one after 6 month of computer school and few years of experience. Like 2...so...just not buying it! But that’s me.

Narcissist....no. He literally met me because the software he uses for his art is my company. I do very specialized computer graphics research. So I don't know what you are implying.

There are a myriad of different software engineers. I don't do general software engineering which is connecting one API to another API--that is boring to me. I develop algorithms. I doubled majored in applied math and physics and computer science I quit my PhD program to work for my company because sadly industry is doing better than academia for what I want---I wouldn't have quit that program if I were doing general software engineering. Most software engineers I know hate math...despite the fact that at a low level that's the phenomena.

So I do see where you're coming from but that came out of nowhere to me. lol.

Actually my feelings are hurt. The Pisces overly sensitive part is coming out. I mean yes I am pretty, smart, have a good job and went to an Ivy League school and I don't think saying this makes me a narcissist. I feel like if you are a woman and just state positive facts about yourself it is viewed strange.

Luckily the Virguy likes this of course but I think he likes that I admire him and am gentle with him. He is more narcissistic than me but I like all aspects of him. I am more masochistic. Hence me trying to defend myself against a judgement you aren't likely to change.

Posted by s_i_e_r_r_a

how do you plan to apologize?

Apologize for what?

We left off with me giving him an apology for oversharing, he said he appreciated that I apologized to him. So we left off with my apology of how I know he is not good with emotions he told me such so it's not fair to him to dump them on him. Now I am just not contacting him at all to give him space.

Although...he could have contacted me since then. I haven't checked. I just thought he needed time to think.

Step 1: get over yourself

Step 2: get rid of that manipulative disposition

Step 3: idk how to help a pisces

Sincerely, a virgo

Step 3: you cant

Well guess I walked into something I wasn't expecting. ok?

I don't care what personal issues the Virgos on this forum have had with Pisces, I don't need projection.

I would just like insight into "our" situation notwithstanding if I was a Pisces or not

Posted by 777

Step 1: get over yourself

Step 2: get rid of that manipulative disposition

Step 3: idk how to help a pisces

Sincerely, a virgo

#1 first!

Posted by hyland0989

I don't care what personal issues the Virgos on this forum have had with Pisces, I don't need projection.

I would just like insight into "our" situation notwithstanding if I was a Pisces or not

I gave u insight. It's up to u what u do with the rest.

U victim you 😁

Posted by s_i_e_r_r_a

the most you can do right now is to just wait

Thanks sierra....for your insight and being reasonable.

Never did I claim to be a victim. I was the one who apologized to him so obviously I am not victimizing myself.

I don't see how me saying I am not a trophy wife type makes me a narcissist. That's not who I am. I could never sit back and do nothing like that. I have to contribute.

Also thanks for typing correct English because even though the other people on the thread I believe are trying to insult me---the grammar is so bad and chopped up it's illegible

Posted by Gemitati

Hon! I think you’ve being too easy on yourself! Your post screams ‘narcissist’ and he sees trough it.

And I think he better off without you and you...maybe you’ll grow up. But I don’t think so.

That’s DXP reality check just jumped out of me though I’ve tried...

Ivy league...software ingeneer?

I’ve become one after 6 month of computer school and few years of experience. Like 2...so...just not buying it! But that’s me.

Also, your grammar is quite frankly atrocious.

Please fix that. I like direct attacks and the poor English diminishes your insults.

I am an Aries rising.

Posted by hyland0989

Posted by Gemitati

Hon! I think you’ve being too easy on yourself! Your post screams ‘narcissist’ and he sees trough it.

And I think he better off without you and you...maybe you’ll grow up. But I don’t think so.

That’s DXP reality check just jumped out of me though I’ve tried...

Ivy league...software ingeneer?

I’ve become one after 6 month of computer school and few years of experience. Like 2...so...just not buying it! But that’s me.

Also, your grammar is quite frankly atrocious.

Please fix that. I like direct attacks and the poor English diminishes your insults.

I am an Aries rising.

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English is my third language and this is international forum so you, bitch is a...condescending bitch! Lmao. ‘I am so pretty and so awesome’ my ass!

You’re obviously not self aware because if you were you’d realise that you don’t really know this guy. Yet here you are projecting what you “feel” he thinks of you.. Based on nothing. Also you’re demanding he should emotionally open up after what, 1 date and not knowing each other for long?

If you’re supposedly such a catch why not let him approach you and let whatever you have grow naturally? You’re being manipulative, aggressive and pushy just because you want him to be a certain way- you’re not gonna succeed doing that with a Virgo.

You can either take what people have said here and use it to take a closer look at yourself orrrr you can continue victimising yourself. And before you want to claim I’m another hating Virgo, I’m a Pisces.

Posted by Gemitati

Well English is my Native language....and if I am going to insult someone in the other languages I know I would still do a grammar check.

From the way you speak about things you seem like an un-evolved Virgo. I would not have guessed you were a Virgo honestly. Too emotional, petty, and uncritical---you sound more Piscean than me.

I said several times throughout this thread, I don't really think I am that pretty. I am highly insecure. The Virguy and everyone else basically doesn't understand why I have low self-esteem. When I say I am pretty I am seeing that through other people's eyes.

In regards to intelligence, I work hard and yes I have graduated from the #1 and #2 unis in the US. My first love was a Virgo and still to this day he doesn't understand my self-esteem issues. Recent conversation about me being management

https://imgur.com/a/cxEoZkJ

So it's not like I give off an aura of "she thinks she's so pretty and smart" I have many people even strangers say I should put myself out there more. I don't like limelight--the Virguy I am interested does though.

But again, I don't know how it devolved into an attack of my character.

I just like this Virgo guy and I would like advice.

Posted by Mhmmm

If you’re supposedly such a catch why not let him approach you and let whatever you have grow naturally? You’re being manipulative, aggressive and pushy just because you want him to be a certain way- you’re not gonna succeed doing that with a Virgo.

You can either take what people have said here and use it to take a closer look at yourself orrrr you can continue victimising yourself. And before you want to claim I’m another hating Virgo, I’m a Pisces.

Thanks fellow Piscean. But I am not claiming to be a victim...how could I when I messed up?

I just wanted advice about him precisely because I don't know him well. The only thing I know is he is very attracted to me. That's it.

His friends are the ones who are pushy and tell him "she is very beautiful and smart you should go for it!" it's not like I tell him this.

He will do things on his own terms and I would expect nothing less from him.

However I don't think that a woman saying she is pretty and smart should equate to being a narcissist--if it's just common knowledge. I mean looks are subjective so that's debatable but I worked my ass off growing up to get into top schools. I admitted I get away with things because of how others perceive me BUT I never said I myself felt that way.

Posted by hyland0989

Posted by Mhmmm

If you’re supposedly such a catch why not let him approach you and let whatever you have grow naturally? You’re being manipulative, aggressive and pushy just because you want him to be a certain way- you’re not gonna succeed doing that with a Virgo.

You can either take what people have said here and use it to take a closer look at yourself orrrr you can continue victimising yourself. And before you want to claim I’m another hating Virgo, I’m a Pisces.

Thanks fellow Piscean. But I am not claiming to be a victim...how could I when I messed up?

I just wanted advice about him precisely because I don't know him well. The only thing I know is he is very attracted to me. That's it.

His friends are the ones who are pushy and tell him "she is very beautiful and smart you should go for it!" it's not like I tell him this.

He will do things on his own terms and I would expect nothing less from him.

However I don't think that a woman saying she is pretty and smart should equate to being a narcissist--if it's just common knowledge. I mean looks are subjective so that's debatable but I worked my ass off growing up to get into top schools. I admitted I get away with things because of how others perceive me BUT I never said I myself felt that way.

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Truthfully, your original post and subsequent posts do draw a lot of attention onto you which is unnecessary considering you’re seeking advice on this Virgo.

Anyway, if he’s attracted to you he will pursue you. Just let him come to you and let it grow naturally. Most virgos like to take their time getting to know someone so you will have to be patient.

Posted by Mhmmm

Truthfully, your original post and subsequent posts do draw a lot of attention onto you which is unnecessary considering you’re seeking advice on this Virgo.

Anyway, if he’s attracted to you he will pursue you. Just let him come to you and let it grow naturally. Most virgos like to take their time getting to know someone so you will have to be patient.

Basically it got to the point where I told the truth and then was accused of being a narcissist. I didn't give out this information it was asked if I he is not as attractive and sees me as a trophy wife and I responded I think he is skeptical because people perceive me as more attractive than him. Then I said I make more than him as a software engineer and that devolved into an attack on software engineers claiming software engineering is easy? I argued back that there are a myriad of different types of software engineers: a guy making a website is not the same as me who does research to make algorithms which involves heavy mathematical simulation knowledge. And I should bee proud of this fact. It took many years for me to get to this point.

Stating this other women should be happy for me, not tear me down. . Honestly I see Gemtiti as combative, insecure and annoying. The attack on software engineers was weird and then she actually made that post about how she became a software engineer in 2 years. That wasn't even the intention of my post. And frankly it's the last thing I want to be talking about.

But again, insecure females are why I can only be around highly logical women or men--which is what drew me to engineering. That was just to point out I don't need money or career advice from him--I am not "using" him.

I don't really care how he looks. He is beautiful and perfect to me. I love his artwork, his mind and his reservedness. I am giving him space because he is traveling all over for his shows and he gets easily over whlemed by my emotions but I do want to support him in a few weeks...basically I came on here to ask if that is a good idea--considering I wouldn't have communicated with him for over a month at that point.

I don't see myself as a victim in this. This to me is ridiculous. I do see Gemtiti as beneath me but not because of my education or salary or looks but because of the pettiness of tearing other women down who say something factual that is positive about themselves. I would also be willing to place money she is much older than me, which makes it even more pathetic in my eyes.

Again, Pisces have traits of all the other signs and I can be just if not more judgmental than a Virgo.

Posted by hyland0989

Posted by Mhmmm

Truthfully, your original post and subsequent posts do draw a lot of attention onto you which is unnecessary considering you’re seeking advice on this Virgo.

Anyway, if he’s attracted to you he will pursue you. Just let him come to you and let it grow naturally. Most virgos like to take their time getting to know someone so you will have to be patient.

Basically it got to the point where I told the truth and then was accused of being a narcissist. I didn't give out this information it was asked if I he is not as attractive and sees me as a trophy wife and I responded I think he is skeptical because people perceive me as more attractive than him. Then I said I make more than him as a software engineer and that devolved into an attack on software engineers claiming software engineering is easy? I argued back that there are a myriad of different types of software engineers: a guy making a website is not the same as me who does research to make algorithms which involves heavy mathematical simulation knowledge. And I should bee proud of this fact. It took many years for me to get to this point.

Stating this other women should be happy for me, not tear me down. . Honestly I see Gemtiti as combative, insecure and annoying. The attack on software engineers was weird and then she actually made that post about how she became a software engineer in 2 years. That wasn't even the intention of my post. And frankly it's the last thing I want to be talking about.

But again, insecure females are why I can only be around highly logical women or men--which is what drew me to engineering. That was just to point out I don't need money or career advice from him--I am not "using" him.

I don't really care how he looks. He is beautiful and perfect to me. I love his artwork, his mind and his reservedness. I am giving him space because he is traveling all over for his shows and he gets easily over whlemed by my emotions but I do want to support him in a few weeks...basically I came on here to ask if that is a good idea--considering I wouldn't have communicated with him for over a month at that point.

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Yep! Attacking software engineers is my agenda in life!

You are so strange about yourself and man seeing it and even if he likes you - he want nothing to do with your artificial self! You are basking in your glory and apparently it’s so palpable that he is striking by your ‘modesty’ and trying to stay away.

Smart man. Good for him! You need some rich dude with low self esteem who will fall to your feet and worship you even more than you worship yourself (if it’s possible)...and he will probably be short, fat and bold...or maybe tall with bad hairpiece...

You know well what I am referring to.

Don’t sweat a small stuff! You’ll be fine! I am sure you will be! ❤️