Secrets of the push pull

Saw this thought it was interesting

Posted by CluelessCancer
Psychology today had an article out that pulling/pushing creates tension and makes women want the man more, but they didn't stay if it's true the other way around.

it is true depending on how it's done I find push pull body language works better.

So, I talked about this in on one I my threads and people dismissed it. It does work depending on who the women is. Mainly insecure woman. If she's a strong woman, she will see right through you. She will leave, while a insecure woman will chase after you. It's simply, giving attention, then out of no where backing off. It's mostly done for a reaction. To see if someone is really into them or not. It could also be done because some feels like they're not getting enough attention. Someone tried it on me. When he backed off, so did i. So, eventually he came chasing me. He told me that I don't have to ignore him. Lol.

Posted by Noreallynow
So, I talked about this in on one I my threads and people dismissed it. It does work depending on who the women is. Mainly insecure woman. If she's a strong woman, she will see right through you. She will leave, while a insecure woman will chase after you. It's simply, giving attention, then out of no where backing off. It's mostly done for a reaction. To see if someone is really into them or not. It could also be done because some feels like they're not getting enough attention. Someone tried it on me. When he backed off, so did i. So, eventually he came chasing me. He told me that I don't have to ignore him. Lol.

That's not true it works on all women if done right

http://www.modernmalelife style .com/Article/Push-Pull-Technique-Unpredictable

I barely made it through this article before I almost threw up. I agree even the most secure women can fall for this. But it takes a strong woman to find her way out. Ive been there.

Have u ever did this VirgoKing?

I had friend who uncle show him this stuff matter of fact the guy in the video is the one I saw, his stuff dose work. He lying in the video saying he dose not hypnotize women he uses NLp. It was first use in advertising but he found a way to use it to pick up girls. But I have use some of the stuff before in the past.

Posted by CluelessCancer
Does it work on men?

No there is different stuff for us.

Check this out

Posted by CluelessCancer
Psychology today had an article out that pulling/pushing creates tension and makes women want the man more, but they didn't stay if it's true the other way around.

Dr Gray, who wrote the book, "Men are from Mars, Women from Venus", refers to this push/pull as the "Rubber Band Effect." He has said for years that when a man starts feeling close to a woman, their genetic makeup comes into play and makes the man want to pull away to regain his independence. This is all about going to the "man cave" we always hear about.

When a man does this out of nature, women (not all but many), will feel insecure and anxious wanting to know why he pulled away leaving her no explanation in the process. This creates more tension because of the woman feels the need to hear words of affirmation about the relationship while the man feels the need to regain his autonomy. After the man as had enough time to feel re energized, he comes back stronger than ever. Often this leaves the woman wondering what the hell just happened? According to Dr. Gray, the "Rubber band Effect" is normal. It's nature's way of building up a relationship.

The breakdown comes in how each gender communicates. Women communicate through words to express and exchange feelings. Men communicate to exchange ideas/info. So when a man pulls away, he's just being a man. When a women feels unloved and concerned about her relationship because he pulled away, she's simply being who she's designed to be.

Once you understand that this is all by genetic design, it makes more sense and becomes less personal. However, VM have perfected the push/pull more than any other sign imho.

Remember, however, this is only about personal relationships and not simply friendships.

Posted by virgoking

Posted by Noreallynow
So, I talked about this in on one I my threads and people dismissed it. It does work depending on who the women is. Mainly insecure woman. If she's a strong woman, she will see right through you. She will leave, while a insecure woman will chase after you. It's simply, giving attention, then out of no where backing off. It's mostly done for a reaction. To see if someone is really into them or not. It could also be done because some feels like they're not getting enough attention. Someone tried it on me. When he backed off, so did i. So, eventually he came chasing me. He told me that I don't have to ignore him. Lol.

That's not true it works on all women if done right

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It didn't work on me.

Posted by virgoking

Posted by Noreallynow
So, I talked about this in on one I my threads and people dismissed it. It does work depending on who the women is. Mainly insecure woman. If she's a strong woman, she will see right through you. She will leave, while a insecure woman will chase after you. It's simply, giving attention, then out of no where backing off. It's mostly done for a reaction. To see if someone is really into them or not. It could also be done because some feels like they're not getting enough attention. Someone tried it on me. When he backed off, so did i. So, eventually he came chasing me. He told me that I don't have to ignore him. Lol.

That's not true it works on all women if done right

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Not so. I've had this done to me several times, and more recently, for the last 4 months. While I was upset for a week because of having no explanation, my feelings went from having some desire to being pissed and not giving a damn anymore about a guy who is obviously insecure and attention seeking.

Some women who aren't experienced in relationships with men or are easy push overs (don't stand up for their convictions/dignity) could easily be manipulated. Women as these buy into a man chasing them on par as a man actually valuing their worth. But there are woman as me who know the game, how it's played and how to turn the tables on the man.

If a man pulls away from a woman and she in turn plays the same game on him, he's going to be the one who is left with answers. Men who really desire a woman will accept his met his match and come back with more passion etc. because he realizes she's a great catch. Men who can't deal with the tables being turned on them will get dumped. Women don't like being played and they also don't like weak men.

Posted by CluelessCancer
Does it work on men?

Yes, it does...

Posted by gemini64

Posted by virgoking

Posted by Noreallynow
So, I talked about this in on one I my threads and people dismissed it. It does work depending on who the women is. Mainly insecure woman. If she's a strong woman, she will see right through you. She will leave, while a insecure woman will chase after you. It's simply, giving attention, then out of no where backing off. It's mostly done for a reaction. To see if someone is really into them or not. It could also be done because some feels like they're not getting enough attention. Someone tried it on me. When he backed off, so did i. So, eventually he came chasing me. He told me that I don't have to ignore him. Lol.

That's not true it works on all women if done right

Not so. I've had this done to me several times, and more recently, for the last 4 months. While I was upset for a week because of having no explanation, my feelings went from having some desire to being pissed and not giving a damn anymore about a guy who is obviously insecure and attention seeking.

Some women who aren't experienced in relationships with men or are easy push overs (don't stand up for their convictions/dignity) could easily be manipulated. Women as these buy into a man chasing them on par as a man actually valuing their worth. But there are woman as me who know the game, how it's played and how to turn the tables on the man.

If a man pulls away from a woman and she in turn plays the same game on him, he's going to be the one who is left with answers. Men who really desire a woman will accept his met his match and come back with more passion etc. because he realizes she's a great catch. Men who can't deal with the tables being turned on them will get dumped. Women don't like being played and they also don't like weak men.

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I agree. The best way to get around it is to mirror his actions...

Posted by gemini64

Posted by virgoking

Posted by Noreallynow
So, I talked about this in on one I my threads and people dismissed it. It does work depending on who the women is. Mainly insecure woman. If she's a strong woman, she will see right through you. She will leave, while a insecure woman will chase after you. It's simply, giving attention, then out of no where backing off. It's mostly done for a reaction. To see if someone is really into them or not. It could also be done because some feels like they're not getting enough attention. Someone tried it on me. When he backed off, so did i. So, eventually he came chasing me. He told me that I don't have to ignore him. Lol.

That's not true it works on all women if done right

Not so. I've had this done to me several times, and more recently, for the last 4 months. While I was upset for a week because of having no explanation, my feelings went from having some desire to being pissed and not giving a damn anymore about a guy who is obviously insecure and attention seeking.

Some women who aren't experienced in relationships with men or are easy push overs (don't stand up for their convictions/dignity) could easily be manipulated. Women as these buy into a man chasing them on par as a man actually valuing their worth. But there are woman as me who know the game, how it's played and how to turn the tables on the man.

If a man pulls away from a woman and she in turn plays the same game on him, he's going to be the one who is left with answers. Men who really desire a woman will accept his met his match and come back with more passion etc. because he realizes she's a great catch. Men who can't deal with the tables being turned on them will get dumped. Women don't like being played and they also don't like weak men.

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I'm not talking about push pull in he stop talking to you I'm referring to the real technique. Where he compliments you than insults you really it should be a tease for example. you are really radiate today but those shoes don't look good on. You. (You should smile while saying this in a really jokingly tone) you can do better than that. That would be a neg or push pull. The other one is a man losing interest.

I cant believe the shit ive been reading online. Some of these articles claim that women like these games. That the man will have undying attraction from her.

This game never worked on me till I met a scorp. I was fooled for a long time. In the end it worked, I was hooked. But I wasnt interested in the man, I fell in love with his game, not him. Once the fairydust settles I started to really notice who he was as a person and he sucked. The fairydust settling was really seeing him do the same game with another girl.

An Aries tried this shit on me and I turned it right back on him. He didnt know that I had plenty of practice with the scorpio.

I swear men play out of the same playbook. Why not just be yourself? Or is yourself not good enough?

reading the articles, men are really under the same kind of societal pressures as women.

Posted by DMV
I cant believe the shit ive been reading online. Some of these articles claim that women like these games. That the man will have undying attraction from her.

This game never worked on me till I met a scorp. I was fooled for a long time. In the end it worked, I was hooked. But I wasnt interested in the man, I fell in love with his game, not him. Once the fairydust settles I started to really notice who he was as a person and he sucked. The fairydust settling was really seeing him do the same game with another girl.

An Aries tried this shit on me and I turned it right back on him. He didnt know that I had plenty of practice with the scorpio.

I swear men play out of the same playbook. Why not just be yourself? Or is yourself not good enough?

reading the articles, men are really under the same kind of societal pressures as women.

Yes men are how do you know the Scorpio was using the same trick. To be honest this stuff is only good for hooking up with women not for relationship. If you look at it, it never tell you how to keep a women just tells you how to get in there pants as fast as possible.

If sex is the end game, then I actually have no problem with this technique. It is cheaper than spending money trying to get into her pants.

Posted by DMV
If sex is the end game, then I actually have no problem with this technique. It is cheaper than spending money trying to get into her pants.

Your right about that lol but how did u know the Scorpio was using this stuff

Posted by virgoking

Posted by DMV
If sex is the end game, then I actually have no problem with this technique. It is cheaper than spending money trying to get into her pants.

Your right about that lol but how did u know the Scorpio was using this stuff

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He likes, likes, likes then pushes pushes pushes. Back to like like like. Its how he cleverly rotated his harem of women. When he got bored or the girl got too close, hed push. Spend time with another girl. By the time he stopped ignoring me, I was clamoring for his attention. He successfully created multiple paths of least resistance.

I actually felt pity for the fresh fish he has now. Thought about warning them aka throw salt n his game, but eh, let em learn in the field like I did.

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Posted by Noreallynow

Posted by gemini64
Not so. I've had this done to me several times, and more recently, for the last 4 months. While I was upset for a week because of having no explanation, my feelings went from having some desire to being pissed and not giving a damn anymore about a guy who is obviously insecure and attention seeking.

Some women who aren't experienced in relationships with men or are easy push overs (don't stand up for their convictions/dignity) could easily be manipulated. Women as these buy into a man chasing them on par as a man actually valuing their worth. But there are woman as me who know the game, how it's played and how to turn the tables on the man.

If a man pulls away from a woman and she in turn plays the same game on him, he's going to be the one who is left with answers. Men who really desire a woman will accept his met his match and come back with more passion etc. because he realizes she's a great catch. Men who can't deal with the tables being turned on them will get dumped. Women don't like being played and they also don't like weak men.

I agree. The best way to get around it is to mirror his actions...

Hmm, there's a lot going on in Gemini64's post, sounds like just head games to me. The woman trying to "out man, the man". See who can score the highest points and win the match.

The gist of it though, is for the woman to decide if he's a player or is genuine with real intent.
First, she has to be sure what she wants, if the woman has no clear idea of her personal wants/needs then there is much room for confusion, and to add fuel to the fire, when emotions/desires are involved it is difficult to be objective.
I don't know, head games get messy when two people become players trying to one-up each other with emotional 'power plays'.

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yeah and boring

Posted by DMV

Posted by virgoking

Posted by DMV
If sex is the end game, then I actually have no problem with this technique. It is cheaper than spending money trying to get into her pants.

Your right about that lol but how did u know the Scorpio was using this stuff

He likes, likes, likes then pushes pushes pushes. Back to like like like. Its how he cleverly rotated his harem of women. When he got bored or the girl got too close, hed push. Spend time with another girl. By the time he stopped ignoring me, I was clamoring for his attention. He successfully created multiple paths of least resistance.

I actually felt pity for the fresh fish he has now. Thought about warning them aka throw salt n his game, but eh, let em learn in the field like I did.

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I was a hot mess. He only had to throw out a stale saltine crumb and id eat it up, beg for more.

If a man pulls away from a woman and she in turn plays the same game on him, he's going to be the one who is left with answers. Men who really desire a woman will accept his met his match and come back with more passion etc. because he realizes she's a great catch. Men who can't deal with the tables being turned on them will get dumped. Women don't like being played and they also don't like weak men.

I'm not talking about push pull in he stop talking to you I'm referring to the real technique. Where he compliments you than insults you really it should be a tease for example. you are really radiate today but those shoes don't look good on. You. (You should smile while saying this in a really jokingly tone) you can do better than that. That would be a neg or push pull. The other one is a man losing interest.



I just went through exactly what you described: Getting complimented several times, then insulting me by ignoring me to my face and no contact without any explanation. He played the game to a "T" and I called him on it. It had nothing to do with losing interest but everything to do with control.
That's what "push pull" is really about; CONTROL and MANIPULATION. To bad for him, I have a brain and a spine.

Some women who aren't experienced in relationships with men or are easy push overs (don't stand up for their convictions/dignity) could easily be manipulated. Women as these buy into a man chasing them on par as a man actually valuing their worth. But there are woman as me who know the game, how it's played and how to turn the tables on the man.

If a man pulls away from a woman and she in turn plays the same game on him, he's going to be the one who is left with answers. Men who really desire a woman will accept his met his match and come back with more passion etc. because he realizes she's a great catch. Men who can't deal with the tables being turned on them will get dumped. Women don't like being played and they also don't like weak men.


I agree. The best way to get around it is to mirror his actions...


Hmm, there's a lot going on in Gemini64's post, sounds like just head games to me. The woman trying to "out man, the man". See who can score the highest points and win the match.

The gist of it though, is for the woman to decide if he's a player or is genuine with real intent.
First, she has to be sure what she wants, if the woman has no clear idea of her personal wants/needs then there is much room for confusion, and to add fuel to the fire, when emotions/desires are involved it is difficult to be objective.
I don't know, head games get messy when two people become players trying to one-up each other with emotional 'power plays'.



It's not about scoring points for women. That's a male thing. It's about being valued from day one and not treated as an object.

For men, it's all about control and manipulation. If it weren't, why resort to "Push Pull" techniques in the first place? Women as myself who aren't into games know how to deal with men who only want to play games. Simple: Men who play games are cut off, period. Doesn't surprise me that you being a male, can't see the difference.

I agree, control and manipulation. Some women do it 2, they use sex as a tool to get what they want.

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Posted by virgoking

Posted by DMV
If sex is the end game, then I actually have no problem with this technique. It is cheaper than spending money trying to get into her pants.

Your right about that lol but how did u know the Scorpio was using this stuff

He likes, likes, likes then pushes pushes pushes. Back to like like like. Its how he cleverly rotated his harem of women. When he got bored or the girl got too close, hed push. Spend time with another girl. By the time he stopped ignoring me, I was clamoring for his attention. He successfully created multiple paths of least resistance.

I actually felt pity for the fresh fish he has now. Thought about warning them aka throw salt n his game, but eh, let em learn in the field like I did.

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Humm sounds like he is just a jerk what the techniques are a group of methods that have be proven to work on women. Most jerk or alpha males use there looks and negging aka push pull. Now he doesn't know what he is doing is a method he just know it has been working for him since grad school . But a P.U.A dose more than the push pull some do physic manipulation using there energy to manipulate women. Now that's super advance and most people don't do that. I find it's not useful for me because I could never be myself I would always have to do this stuff to keep the women I could never relax.

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Posted by DMV

Posted by virgoking

Posted by DMV
If sex is the end game, then I actually have no problem with this technique. It is cheaper than spending money trying to get into her pants.

Your right about that lol but how did u know the Scorpio was using this stuff

He likes, likes, likes then pushes pushes pushes. Back to like like like. Its how he cleverly rotated his harem of women. When he got bored or the girl got too close, hed push. Spend time with another girl. By the time he stopped ignoring me, I was clamoring for his attention. He successfully created multiple paths of least resistance.

I actually felt pity for the fresh fish he has now. Thought about warning them aka throw salt n his game, but eh, let em learn in the field like I did.

Humm sounds like he is just a jerk what the techniques are a group of methods that have be proven to work on women. Most jerk or alpha males use there looks and negging aka push pull. Now he doesn't know what he is doing is a method he just know it has been working for him since grad school . But a P.U.A dose more than the push pull some do physic manipulation using there energy to manipulate women. Now that's super advance and most people don't do that. I find it's not useful for me because I could never be myself I would always have to do this stuff to keep the women I could never relax.

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my thing is with all these games, are men not scared of getting their tires slashed or worst?

the article i posted and others I read extend beyond the hook up.

Some of the information in other courses/literature is ok and could be beneficial for some men who are shy and may need to improve their confidence, social skills and so on, but a lot of it ends up just being used as a manipulation tool. Once you start getting into manipulation all kinds of addtional problems can arise.


I still at times dont see men as insecure creatures. Being Shy and being intimidated is no reason to play with someones emotions.

While hes improving his social skills and getting over his insecurity, hers are on the chopping block.

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Posted by gemini64
For men, it's all about control and manipulation. If it weren't, why resort to "Push Pull" techniques in the first place? Women as myself who aren't into games know how to deal with men who only want to play games. Simple: Men who play games are cut off, period. Doesn't surprise me that you being a male, can't see the difference.

I think you're painting some very broad strokes here.
Men are mostly simple creatures....keep that in mind.

The new wave of dating & pickup videos touted by some of these men and their new online "money making ventures", in the guise of wanting to help all the poor smucks around the globe who can't get laid, are going to cause more problems than they solve, yeah, I watched the short video at the end of DMV's 'push pull' article link, that "dude" was all about manipulation, getting laid and living the life style , his online business was called "The Modern Male Life style "...LOL.. and yes, I'm familiar with many other "courses" men can purchase.

Some of the information in other courses/literature is ok and could be beneficial for some men who are shy and may need to improve their confidence, social skills and so on, but a lot of it ends up just being used as a manipulation tool. Once you start getting into manipulation all kinds of addtional problems can arise.
So I agree with you Gemini64 and DMV regarding the negative aspects of this stuff.

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"Men are simple creatures..." Ha Ha....

I'm married so trust me, I've seen it all prior. When you find a good guy as I have, you hang onto him and leave the control freaks behind.

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Posted by DMV
Some of the information in other courses/literature is ok and could be beneficial for some men who are shy and may need to improve their confidence, social skills and so on, but a lot of it ends up just being used as a manipulation tool. Once you start getting into manipulation all kinds of addtional problems can arise.

I still at times dont see men as insecure creatures. Being Shy and being intimidated is no reason to play with someones emotions.

While hes improving his social skills and getting over his insecurity, hers are on the chopping block.

Are you are taking my comment out of context or agreeing with me, agreeing with you?
Your post is confusing!

Prolly just missed this line:

Some of the information in other courses/literature is ok and could be beneficial for some men who are shy

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Posted by CluelessCancer
Does it work on men?

I can say for sure it does work on men, virgo men do it to me all the time

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Maybe it works on the people who like men. 🙂

Posted by CluelessCancer

Posted by Noreallynow
So, I talked about this in on one I my threads and people dismissed it. It does work depending on who the women is. Mainly insecure woman. If she's a strong woman, she will see right through you. She will leave, while a insecure woman will chase after you. It's simply, giving attention, then out of no where backing off. It's mostly done for a reaction. To see if someone is really into them or not. It could also be done because some feels like they're not getting enough attention. Someone tried it on me. When he backed off, so did i. So, eventually he came chasing me. He told me that I don't have to ignore him. Lol.

I don't think its insecurity but mystery and curiousity of course if you're going to be a jerk about it then women don't want that...but a little push pull creates tension which women seem to crave.

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Yes, but it's like the individual is playing games. Most people who play games, are insecure.

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Posted by DMV
Some of the information in other courses/literature is ok and could be beneficial for some men who are shy and may need to improve their confidence, social skills and so on, but a lot of it ends up just being used as a manipulation tool. Once you start getting into manipulation all kinds of addtional problems can arise.

I still at times dont see men as insecure creatures. Being Shy and being intimidated is no reason to play with someones emotions.

While hes improving his social skills and getting over his insecurity, hers are on the chopping block.

Are you are taking my comment out of context or agreeing with me, agreeing with you?
Your post is confusing!

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a bit of both

very well stated xMoonMan.

Anyone who has to resort to "techniques" to get a woman intrigued and desire you more is beyond lame. Women (most women, the good ones who know who they are, what they want, and what they stand for), won't put up with such crap. They will see through it early on because they don't put up with BS.

Honestly, what these schemes do is simply make women put up red flags early, even if the guy is a decent man who is a little shy and believes he needs some help meeting good women.

Men who are shy and don't have inner confidence need to go to workshops on these issues and not how to flirt to mesmerize the ladies. In the end, learning how to flirt with words and actions is a facade. It should come natural. No one likes a phony person. That's all it is doing; creating phony people with fake personalities. No relationship will last based upon a facade. If it does, then the women who plays along are just as much, if not more, to blame.

Posted by gemini64
very well stated xMoonMan.

Anyone who has to resort to "techniques" to get a woman intrigued and desire you more is beyond lame. Women (most women, the good ones who know who they are, what they want, and what they stand for), won't put up with such crap. They will see through it early on because they don't put up with BS.

Honestly, what these schemes do is simply make women put up red flags early, even if the guy is a decent man who is a little shy and believes he needs some help meeting good women.

Men who are shy and don't have inner confidence need to go to workshops on these issues and not how to flirt to mesmerize the ladies. In the end, learning how to flirt with words and actions is a facade. It should come natural. No one likes a phony person. That's all it is doing; creating phony people with fake personalities. No relationship will last based upon a facade. If it does, then the women who plays along are just as much, if not more, to blame.

+1000000

it's a waste of money and time. And anyone smart and wants AUTHENTICITY would see right through that.

But if they are faking their personalities, and their demeanour, and not showing who they are....and if they are truly shy and insecure people, then OWN it.


anyway you described it/explained it way better.

plus all that will come out in a relationship. You cant hide who you are when you're one on one in a personal relationship.