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well it's not exactly private...but it's better than nothing!

don't worry...we can always come to our home base

*serious look...picks up the radio*

*crrrrrhhh* "special special- are you there?- over-"
*crrrrrrhh* "you're not coming through-over-" *crrrrhhhh*

my pm's are almost out too 😢

it's a good thing we have the o_O*****to******+_+ thread

cccrrrrhhhh "okay- I'm gonna send you the code now-over-"

I just sent you the code in spacemail 😉

why am I such a dork—

okay...you don't really have to answere that...

*pours another glass*

soooanyhooo...

did you figure it out yet?

I'm

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schoenecottonbrain...I'm a I'ma...bid fuzzy head...

o_O

I saw it

it looks hot

old scorpish to new capricornish translation:

"fuzzyhead" or "sch?alone with an entire bottle of white zin"

o_O

it's all in the book...but you can get free online translations these days- if you want...

I love the mowo!

cognac??

no kidding!

*starts dialing prime's number*

bring it on thread...we'll have a party

*gets dial tone*

😢

OH!!

that's an inage from the luttrell psalter...I spent the better half of my senior year researching the erotic images in the margins of medieval manuscripts...the luttrell psalter is my specialty!

it's very interesting...there are many very explicit and erotic images- sexual innuendos- illustrated in the margins of medieval manuscripts...the luttrell is especially ripe with them...

http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/themes/euromanuscrip&#116;s/luttrellpsalter.html<BR>
http://www.theluttrells.homestead.com/LuttrellPsalter.html<BR>
http://www.humanitiesweb.org/human.php?s=g&p=a&a=i&ID=703

http://www.press.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/hfs.cgi/00/13679.ctl<BR>
^a lot of my research began with this guys ideas...

Tasted like Raspberry Jam. Blech!!!!


LOL!! yeah...you really have to mix yer own...the margs that they make in rests and bars are DISGUSTINGLY sweet...I tend to like my drinks on the dry side...

LOL!!

don't worry sb- aome of the images are printed in camille's book- but they are not widely publicized by any means!!

In order to find these kinds of images you really have to go through slide archives of the actual thing

well white zinfin is about as sweet as wine gets!!

AHHHHH

on a nice hot night...there is nothing like a CHEAPASS ICE COLD zin...tastes like elmo juice 🙂

you would need to go to a museum that had those slides...or a college art dept. might have them-

if you wanted to look them

niche stuff?

LOL!!

HAAAahahaa

yes...

I like old stuff...very old...but medieval art is a long-time fascination of mine...rare images appeal to me...

Wow!!!! why did you take interest in this particular manuscript or rather parchment?


WELL....

the luttrell psalter has PARTICULARLY gooood examples of the images that I was studying and writing about at the time

sexual imagery in the margins has not been studied expect by m. camille...the guy who wrote that book...he was cutting edge with that stuff...lol...he's also very openly gay...lol

my prof at the time started speaking about the sexual imagery and bawdy humor in the margins a long time ago though...and she new camile pretty well I guess...

http://www-news.uchicago.edu/releases/02/020501.camille.shtml<BR>
^this is a good link

lol...see what happens when you get me started on art history halfway through a bottle of wine 😛

*snore*

I hope I'm not boring you...lol...it's just that I'm very enthusiastic about this stuff...

you know how some people know a LITTLE about A LOT of different things...?

well...I know A LOT about ONE LITTLE thing...lol

^see this for example- this was a pretty overt sexual metaphore for the times...see if you can guess..heheee...pretty bold for a such a religious psalter...

okay...I'll just shut up now...

*pours another glass...spills some over...licks it off hand*

I shouldn't be allowed to type right now...

that one is subtle to us...but I could show you some VERY obvious ones!!!

*guides sb into the slide library...stumbling...trips on the carpet*

it's actually whet you would think it means...the pussy playing with the mouse (man) there is a lot of this sort of imagery in the psalter...metaphores for the "evil man-eating vagina" and lots and lots of well-decorated phalluses too 🙂

most of it is very base stuff...you would think a 5th grader illustrated it...lol...but that was the humour that was popular- penis vagina metaphores were big...lol...it seems lkike men were behind the illustration...but really we don't really know WHO illustrated the manuscripts- man or woman- there are no records (uncovered yet) that tell us this specifc information...

it's almost like the artists was getting his kicks by inserting these metaphores into the margins...then again- another interp is that they are meant to be evil lures- tempation...seductive drawings that lure your eye away from the word of god- that which SHOULD be the focus!

like I said...the humour is very base...mostly centered around the male and female genitalia...

if you ordered a grand psalter- most importantly to display the glorious WORDS OF GOD...

lol...it couldn't be outright in the true representational sense...although some images do come close...

OH absolutely!

there really is no way to tell why specific artists chose to make those drawings like they did...looking at the psalter- you can see the style s of the different artists who worked on them...not all the artists did the sexual imagery thing in the margins...

But tell me something. These interpretations that they made of these images, did they have records of these somewhere or did modern art historians give their own interpretations?


yes- there are records...things in other places other than the manuscript margins of course that are telling of the "porn of the times"

pins- hat pins have been found- pins that are vaginas or penises- depictions of coitus...this is all part of research into the culture about the "humour" of the times- this medieval humour is called bawdy humour...obsessions with human excrement...even writings have been found- funny tales about having farted during sex!! stuff like that...we can gain a lot of insight from those old tales...the popular humour of the times...very interesting

even tales-sex stories- specifically about the woman who turns her man into a mouse...lol...there are very direct connections actually- and the cat and mouse is only one image out of many that one illustrator made...by looking at the other images...well it seems clear where he was going with his talents...lol

*looks over and sees that sb has fallen asleep during the drunken art history lesson*

awwww...so cute...and peaceful...z_+

LOL-

you are right sb!!

this stuff has been around forever- it is suspected that a lot of it - in the medieval times anyway- has to do with coping with the insecurity about ones own bodily functions!!

this was a BIG DEAL...so many stories written about just this kind of stuff...farting and shitting and having sex- exchanging fluids- if you can make it FUNNY then maybe it won't seem so uncomfortable...

Do you feel that this type of humour was widely accepted then but subsequent generations may have actually supressed it or destroyed and hence now you just have some mild references to it?

^ yes...good observation! However- you see even now- in todays times- how ashamed people can be of their own bodily functions...of nakedness...

to openly acknowledge that stuff may not have been such a "bawdy" thing afterall...just a very convenient, public societal tool for dealing with these issues

It would have been a HUGE JOKE to insert bawdy imagery into the margins...even how the images INTERACT with the text- the way they sometimes weave in (in phalluses) inserted RIGHT into gods word- is a very bold...

was it a "fuck you" from the artist- who knows? maybe that was even coonsidered part of the challenge- like I said- to read the word of god without getting distracted by the constantly tempting images that you just want to stop and LOOK AT!!!!1

lol...which is why I'm probably the biggest sinner,,.since I stared at those images for hours and hours during my research...religion...sex...suggestive imagery-medieval porn...what more could a scorpio want in an art hist. research project?

That some powerful person may have actually called on people not to behave in some way, because THEY thought it was un acceptable. Or they have a notion about it and used their powers to continue it.

can you say catholic?

*barf*

Or maybe religion was never to be seperated from sex

🙂

you would have been an excellengt TA for that class...I can tell already

Schoene, why do you single out Catholicism, all religion tells people what to do and what not do. Are you anti Catholic?


🙂

I was making a JOKE

*puts you behind the altar and touches your peepee*

there is A LOT you can read in to the images sb- you are right about that...get one phallus happy gay medieval art historian going on about the homosexual nature of the images in THE MARGINS of medieval psalters and well...lol...I don't agree with a lot of what he has to say- but there is also stuff that is just too compelling to deny- given the patterns...lit included

nobody has ever bothered to point out the latin translations- that sometimes relate and are described specifically by the the images in the margins- for this you need to translate the old lkatin text and look at the images as they are juxtaposed-

BUT

I *always* keep in mind the delusion factor here- if you have and idea- any idea- you can make it work with your material if you look hard enough...write well enough lol...it all starts with ideas...I am ever conscious of this in my research- and I am sooooo happy that you see that way too! It speaks volumes of your intellect!! It really does- I have seen so many people get lost- sacrifice real interesting ALTERNATIVE evidence for the sake of their theories...it's too bad...we loose so much that way