bloody taurus stubbornness!!!

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I’m having high blood pressure from just reading.

Sorry for the loss of your sanity. ❤️

apparently changing paths (even though he has said he doesn't want to continue) = failure.

Must be a fixed thing. I think they just put so energy into something they have to let go of it producing no results.

Maybe throw a funeral for him.
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it definitely a matter where differences between fixed and cardinal are apparent.

i just want to see him happy and his current path isn't bringing him that.
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Keep pushing, every thing I ever gave up on I look back and think "fuck I was so close, I'd be there by now"

it's so frustrating.

conversations at the moment are

him: i'm miserable

me: change it

him: i know. you're right. i should

me: you can do it.

him: i don't want to.

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This dialogue shared doesn’t fully explain the amount of frustration and anger you are expressing on this thread to me.

Why are you reactive to that level? Is it a never-ending dialogue of the same thing like groundhog’s day? Is he wallowing and finding comfort in his complaints where it sounds like a broken record or are you empathizing too much?

Is there more to this?
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i'm not angry with him. i feel for him. i know its difficult for him. i wish it wasn't so and i could just find a way to get him moving however



Q."Is it a never-ending dialogue of the same thing like groundhog’s day?"

A. yes.

Q."Is he wallowing and finding comfort in his complaints where it sounds like a broken record"

A. yes but i know his constant complaints irritate him as well.

(the gifs are just for dramatic effect really. )
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Keep pushing, every thing I ever gave up on I look back and think "fuck I was so close, I'd be there by now"

it's so frustrating.

conversations at the moment are

him: i'm miserable

me: change it

him: i know. you're right. i should

me: you can do it.

him: i don't want to.

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This dialogue shared doesn’t fully explain the amount of frustration and anger you are expressing on this thread to me.

Why are you reactive to that level? Is it a never-ending dialogue of the same thing like groundhog’s day? Is he wallowing and finding comfort in his complaints where it sounds like a broken record or are you empathizing too much?

Is there more to this?

i'm not angry with him. i feel for him. i know its difficult for him. i wish it wasn't so however



Q."Is it a never-ending dialogue of the same thing like groundhog’s day?"

A. yes.

Q."Is he wallowing and finding comfort in his complaints where it sounds like a broken record"

A. yes but i know his constant complaints irritate him as well.

(the gifs are just for dramatic effect really. )

I see... now it makes more sense to me.

I didn’t assume you were angry at him... just an emotion that was being expressed at the situation.

Well... your not going to like what I’m about to say, but the best thing you can do is have some distance right now because his energy is already getting infiltrated into yours and at this point, you won’t be of any help to him at all. And this frustration won’t do you any good either.

Change might be extremely easy for you.... but it is scary and daunting to him. This is why he repeats it so much and why he just gives you the immediate NO NOT CHANGING. He is letting you know that he is feeling uncomfortable pressure from you. So, you need to step aside for both of your health and betterment.

Good news is that he CAN change. It’s just a VERY SLOW process. He doesn’t want solutions from you, he just wants a safe place to speak out his worries.
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thanks. that's helpful. you're right about it being daunting. it's good that you reminded me of that.

i think the distance will be tough. we speak about 5-6 times a day on the phone but i will definitely just allow him to vent to me without suggesting a way out. i'm going to be more mindful of my frustration levels too when it comes to this. it's really difficult though when i see how much agony his current choices are bringing him.
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What is he trying to change

it's about his work. he works 14-16 hours a day, 7 days a week. i worry that he is going to have a heart attack.

Yeah that’s Taurus men workaholics

What’s the motivation

more money

Move up

Prestige

Hiding issues?
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reason? it's what he has always done.

it's just gotten progressively worse over the last few years. we're not getting younger and every aspect of his life is being affected. it's not even like he enjoys it anymore.
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Is he in a senior position or is he just working that much because it’s his usual habit?

its his business.

That does make it difficult to work less. Fewer people to rely on plus more of an emotional investment in the business.

true but when is enough, enough?

Part of the problem is it’s also an ego investment for men in general to be doing well at work. He might feel if he steps back things could go wrong / he wouldn’t earn as much which could cause financial problems.

Maybe you could explore that with him if he seems receptive when complaining about work? In a non-judgemental tone you could ask about what he wants to achieve, what he thinks would happen if he worked less, etc.

There’s not really an easy solution to this one unfortunately.
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worth a shot. i'll give it a try.

he said to me yesterday that as it is all he has ever done, if he stopped it would be like his life was a failure.
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I'm trying to convince my Taurus mother to take some basic precaution during the covid19 outbreak in Romania.

One one hand, she's anxious because of the outbreak and causing drama each time I phone home. Father is 76, has high blood pressure and is at high risk of dying!

On the other hand, she doesn't want to avoid crowded places, daily shopping and queues, or travelling by bus, for ONLY a bloody couple of months! She is not going to change ANY habit, but if she gets infected, it will be others fault (Italy, the government or my father's fault).

Oh, and she doesn't buy and eat canned food during a potential self isolating periode, and will NEVER do so! Yep mum, dead don't eat.
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I'm trying to convince my Taurus mother to take some basic precaution during the covid19 outbreak in Romania.

One one hand, she's anxious because of the outbreak and causing drama each time I phone home. Father is 76, has high blood pressure and is at high risk of dying!

On the other hand, she doesn't want to avoid crowded places, daily shopping and queues, or travelling by bus, for ONLY a bloody couple of months! She is not going to change ANY habit, but if she gets infected, it will be others fault (Italy, the government or my father's fault).

Oh, and she doesn't buy and eat canned food during a potential self isolating periode, and will NEVER do so! Yep mum, dead don't eat.

I have a question, does she also doing homemade food sealing thing to store it up?
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In autumn, she makes some of the winter preserves every Romanian household does (roasted pepper and aubergines mash or pickled cabbage), but those are long finished. She won't buy any from the shop, since "they have added chemicals and give her cancer".
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Keep pushing, every thing I ever gave up on I look back and think "fuck I was so close, I'd be there by now"

it's so frustrating.

conversations at the moment are

him: i'm miserable

me: change it

him: i know. you're right. i should

me: you can do it.

him: i don't want to.

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Sounds like the same convo I had with my former cancer bestie.

Every convo was woe is me.

I’m over there trying to help, offering solutions. Let’s change this!

Convinced now she liked the struggle life cause she’s still working/living the same way she complained she hated 6 years later. Sigh.
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Is he in a senior position or is he just working that much because it’s his usual habit?

its his business.

That does make it difficult to work less. Fewer people to rely on plus more of an emotional investment in the business.

true but when is enough, enough?

Part of the problem is it’s also an ego investment for men in general to be doing well at work. He might feel if he steps back things could go wrong / he wouldn’t earn as much which could cause financial problems.

Maybe you could explore that with him if he seems receptive when complaining about work? In a non-judgemental tone you could ask about what he wants to achieve, what he thinks would happen if he worked less, etc.

There’s not really an easy solution to this one unfortunately.

worth a shot. i'll give it a try.

he said to me yesterday that as it is all he has ever done, if he stopped it would be like his life was a failure.

I take it he hasn’t got any hobbies working that number of hours. Maybe you could get him out to see friends/family, take him out to eat, to the cinema or something to try to change his focus.
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he's under so much pressure he literally doesn't have the time to spare.
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Is he in a senior position or is he just working that much because it’s his usual habit?

its his business.

Ah ok so he has control issues/can’t delegate.

That’s a tough place to be in cause you feel like your the only one who can get it done.
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the thing is, he is the only one who can get it done. either because he is the only one qualified to do so or his staff are fucking useless (but he has no time to find replacements). I've been brought in several times to help out. i don't mind but he pays people to do that sort of stuff.

he's not so much of a feel sorry for himself but he vents. secretly i like it when he vents. i enjoy being the person he comes to. to me, that's my job.

the pressure is staggering and he doesn't want to let customers down but in doing so creates such an enormous burden for himself.

my exasperation comes because there seems to be no way out of this cycle for him. i'm certain there is a better life but he has to let go of this one first and he's reluctant to do so.
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I think they need to be pulled out of it. N don’t get mad he’ll answer work phones or not

Taking him hiking, beach, casino., do it once a month for even a weekend

Make it his new Routine slowly but surely

It will relax his mind


i would but there just isn't the time. people depend on him to get the work done. so he works weekends, nights and early mornings because there just isn't enough time in the day to do it all. everything (family, friends, social life) takes a back seat to his workload.

he won't take time off because the workload will be bigger when he gets back.
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I'm trying to convince my Taurus mother to take some basic precaution during the covid19 outbreak in Romania.

One one hand, she's anxious because of the outbreak and causing drama each time I phone home. Father is 76, has high blood pressure and is at high risk of dying!

On the other hand, she doesn't want to avoid crowded places, daily shopping and queues, or travelling by bus, for ONLY a bloody couple of months! She is not going to change ANY habit, but if she gets infected, it will be others fault (Italy, the government or my father's fault).

Oh, and she doesn't buy and eat canned food during a potential self isolating periode, and will NEVER do so! Yep mum, dead don't eat.

I have a question, does she also doing homemade food sealing thing to store it up?

In autumn, she makes some of the winter preserves every Romanian household does (roasted pepper and aubergines mash or pickled cabbage), but those are long finished. She won't buy any from the shop, since "they have added chemicals and give her cancer".
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it's madness to sit and watch isn't it?
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Is he in a senior position or is he just working that much because it’s his usual habit?

its his business.

Ah ok so he has control issues/can’t delegate.

That’s a tough place to be in cause you feel like your the only one who can get it done.

the thing is, he is the only one who can get it done. either because he is the only one qualified to do so or his staff are fucking useless (but he has no time to find replacements). I've been brought in several times to help out. i don't mind but he pays people to do that sort of stuff.

he's not so much of a feel sorry for himself but he vents. secretly i like it when he vents. i enjoy being the person he comes to. to me, that's my job.

the pressure is staggering and he doesn't want to let customers down but in doing so creates such an enormous burden for himself.

my exasperation comes because there seems to be no way out of this cycle for him. i'm certain there is a better life but he has to let go of this one first and he's reluctant to do so.

He needs to hire new people who are qualified. Maybe also u need to look at that “u need him “ in this cycle because u enjoy him coming to you.
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i don't need him in this cycle. nothing would make me happier than for his life to improve. i want nothing but the very best for him and yeah, i could tell him all the things that i think are the solution but it goes back to my original point, how much does taurus have to endure before they start considering an alternate plan. lol, you're coming to the place i am at!

i do like him coming to me because it illustrates how close we are. nothing more. there's nothing nefarious in that. if he'd ring me 5 times a day with great tales that would make me equally as happy.
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Is he in a senior position or is he just working that much because it’s his usual habit?

its his business.

Ah ok so he has control issues/can’t delegate.

That’s a tough place to be in cause you feel like your the only one who can get it done.

the thing is, he is the only one who can get it done. either because he is the only one qualified to do so or his staff are fucking useless (but he has no time to find replacements). I've been brought in several times to help out. i don't mind but he pays people to do that sort of stuff.

he's not so much of a feel sorry for himself but he vents. secretly i like it when he vents. i enjoy being the person he comes to. to me, that's my job.

the pressure is staggering and he doesn't want to let customers down but in doing so creates such an enormous burden for himself.

my exasperation comes because there seems to be no way out of this cycle for him. i'm certain there is a better life but he has to let go of this one first and he's reluctant to do so.

He needs to hire new people who are qualified. Maybe also u need to look at that “u need him “ in this cycle because u enjoy him coming to you.

i don't need him in this cycle. nothing would make me happier than for his life to improve. i want nothing but the very best for him and yeah, i could tell him all the things that i think are the solution but it goes back to my original point, how much does taurus have to endure before they start considering an alternate plan. lol, you're coming to the place i am at!

i do like him coming to me because it illustrates how important we are to each other. nothing more. there's nothing nefarious in that. if he'd ring me 5 times a day with great tales that would make me equally as happy.

I meaning Subconsciously and energetically
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i see. i know mareinfame suggested the same sort of thing but i've thought about that and i don't think it's the case.

i don't enjoy this. i really don't think i am making his life harder. i don't tell him what to do. he asks me what i think, i suggest things, try to show a potentially different way, he says i am right but he is stuck, afraid of the unknown and the different. i support, i listen but yeah, it exasperates me because i see and feel his suffering.

he comes to me and he is just exhausted. he juggles 50 things at once, inevitably makes mistakes, gets bollocked by customers, beats himself up over it. i listen. give encouragement. tell him he is doing the best he can. it's been going on for years. it's gotten much worse lately though. i worry he is going to collapse and die.

i don't know when he is going to say enough is enough. how much more is he willing to sacrifice to stay the course? this seems to me a taurus trait. this stubborn, show no weakness, never say die attitude.
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Is he in a senior position or is he just working that much because it’s his usual habit?

its his business.

Ah ok so he has control issues/can’t delegate.

That’s a tough place to be in cause you feel like your the only one who can get it done.

the thing is, he is the only one who can get it done. either because he is the only one qualified to do so or his staff are fucking useless (but he has no time to find replacements). I've been brought in several times to help out. i don't mind but he pays people to do that sort of stuff.

he's not so much of a feel sorry for himself but he vents. secretly i like it when he vents. i enjoy being the person he comes to. to me, that's my job.

the pressure is staggering and he doesn't want to let customers down but in doing so creates such an enormous burden for himself.

my exasperation comes because there seems to be no way out of this cycle for him. i'm certain there is a better life but he has to let go of this one first and he's reluctant to do so.

He needs to hire new people who are qualified. Maybe also u need to look at that “u need him “ in this cycle because u enjoy him coming to you.

i don't need him in this cycle. nothing would make me happier than for his life to improve. i want nothing but the very best for him and yeah, i could tell him all the things that i think are the solution but it goes back to my original point, how much does taurus have to endure before they start considering an alternate plan. lol, you're coming to the place i am at!

i do like him coming to me because it illustrates how important we are to each other. nothing more. there's nothing nefarious in that. if he'd ring me 5 times a day with great tales that would make me equally as happy.

I meaning Subconsciously and energetically

i see. i know mareinfame suggested the same sort of thing but i've thought about that and i don't think it's the case.

i don't enjoy this. i really don't think i am making his life harder. i don't tell him what to do. he asks me what i think, i suggest things, try to show a potentially different way, he says i am right but he is stuck, afraid of the unknown and the different. i support, i listen but yeah, it exasperates me because i see and feel his suffering.

he comes to me and he is just exhausted. he juggles 50 things at once, inevitably makes mistakes, gets bollocked by customers, beats himself up over it. i listen. give encouragement. tell him he is doing the best he can. it's been going on for years. it's gotten much worse lately though. i worry he is going to collapse and die.

i don't know when he is going to say enough is enough. how much more is he willing to sacrifice to stay the course? this seems to me a taurus trait. this stubborn, show no weakness, never say die attitude.

Is there any part he can automate or outsource? Online automation changed everything for me. I had to get creative to make it work, but so worth it. I can relate to your guy. When everyone relies on you to get them on their way it's hard to bring the machine to a halt.
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exactly this. when i say he can stop at any time he says "but then i'll be letting my customers down."

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Is he in a senior position or is he just working that much because it’s his usual habit?

its his business.

Ah ok so he has control issues/can’t delegate.

That’s a tough place to be in cause you feel like your the only one who can get it done.

the thing is, he is the only one who can get it done. either because he is the only one qualified to do so or his staff are fucking useless (but he has no time to find replacements). I've been brought in several times to help out. i don't mind but he pays people to do that sort of stuff.

he's not so much of a feel sorry for himself but he vents. secretly i like it when he vents. i enjoy being the person he comes to. to me, that's my job.

the pressure is staggering and he doesn't want to let customers down but in doing so creates such an enormous burden for himself.

my exasperation comes because there seems to be no way out of this cycle for him. i'm certain there is a better life but he has to let go of this one first and he's reluctant to do so.

Would you be qualified to help by looking for replacements, people apt to take on the load, other solutions to ease work load by automating a lot of the work?

All of that takes time. So I get his frustration.
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i've never thought of involving myself in that way but it's a good thought.

i'm not qualified but it's definitely an idea that is worth spending some time considering. you've set the hares running.
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It’s his fear of losing security

Lack of trust in universe or higher power that it will provide if he lets go of his grip on it.

I saw this with an ex

All I can say is I’m showing him there are different kinds of wealth n although I don’t own as much i Iive like I do.

Mmm so how can we help him lossen that grip. Show him there are safety nets in place either support from loved ones,suppor employees ( as they want his success in turn more money for them too , faith in god , trust in people. It’s hard maybe the baby step is taking him on vacation n help him relax


Nah, this concept of trusting in some vague hippie entity like the universe might work for a sag or scorp bt never for a taurus. His resistance points are valid, he will not move an inch if they are adressed in an empathetic way.

I have a few thoughts on that because I am a taurus, can I pm you?
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I don't think this is necessarily a Taurus thing. I think it is a 'him' thing. He's on the hamster wheel and is choosing not to get off the wheel so he will continue to do what he does because it is what he has always done and it will be what he will always do.

It doesn't sound like he has any plan outside of the hamster wheel. That is not good for business (or life) but it is common within people who run their own business. They are or can be control freaks and can be part of their own problem.

He is not the only person in the world who is qualified or able to do whatever tasks he has. He just does not know how to or does not want to delegate. If his staff are useless to the point that they may as well not be there then why are they still there? Why is he paying his own money out to people who do nothing? How is that good business management? Perhaps they are not that useless because they are doing something to keep things ticking over. Perhaps he does not want to empower people or give them the autonomy or respinsibility to do the job. The impossible manager where nothing is ever good enough. Perhaps he needs to recruit better people and pay more for quality people. He thinks he doesn't have time to do this but if he keeps doing the same thing he will gain the same result.

Most posts have been about what you need to do or can do or it requires some form of action from you but it is not your problem. It is his.

Instead of worrying about what he is doing or not doing with his non-existent work life balance, I would look at this to see if this type of relationship makes you happy.

If it does not, then he is the one with the big decision to make, not you.

What is more important to your fella, to keep you happy or to stay on his hamster wheel for the next three decades?

The ball is currently in his court. The answer to the above will determine whether he keeps the ball in his court by making the decision and necessary changes to keep you happy. If not, the ball will come to your court.
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I don't think this is necessarily a Taurus thing. I think it is a 'him' thing. He's on the hamster wheel and is choosing not to get off the wheel so he will continue to do what he does because it is what he has always done and it will be what he will always do.

It doesn't sound like he has any plan outside of the hamster wheel. That is not good for business (or life) but it is common within people who run their own business. They are or can be control freaks and can be part of their own problem.

true.
Posted by AgentP911He is not the only person in the world who is qualified or able to do whatever tasks he has. He just does not know how to or does not want to delegate. If his staff are useless to the point that they may as well not be there then why are they still there? Why is he paying his own money out to people who do nothing? How is that good business management? Perhaps they are not that useless because they are doing something to keep things ticking over. Perhaps he does not want to empower people or give them the autonomy or respinsibility to do the job. The impossible manager where nothing is ever good enough. Perhaps he needs to recruit better people and pay more for quality people. He thinks he doesn't have time to do this but if he keeps doing the same thing he will gain the same result.

he tried empowering them last week. he got 4 complaints in 2 days and by wednesday the staff revolted for having being given the extra responsibility. he had to take back the tasks he had delegated to them.

they are utter shit and but he thinks he can manage and cater to their capabilities. he has a perverse loyalty thing going on.

i agree. he has to find better people but see point 1 - how long do you have to endure the agony?
Posted by AgentP911Most posts have been about what you need to do or can do or it requires some form of action from you but it is not your problem. It is his.

Instead of worrying about what he is doing or not doing with his non-existent work life balance, I would look at this to see if this type of relationship makes you happy.

If it does not, then he is the one with the big decision to make, not you.
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he does make me happy. we're in this together - his burdens are mine. we climb the peaks and tread through the valleys together. even when you exclude work, he is just having a really rough time at this point of his life. i can't help but feel for him.
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It’s his fear of losing security

Lack of trust in universe or higher power that it will provide if he lets go of his grip on it.

I saw this with an ex

All I can say is I’m showing him there are different kinds of wealth n although I don’t own as much i Iive like I do.

Mmm so how can we help him lossen that grip. Show him there are safety nets in place either support from loved ones,suppor employees ( as they want his success in turn more money for them too , faith in god , trust in people. It’s hard maybe the baby step is taking him on vacation n help him relax

Nah, this concept of trusting in some vague hippie entity like the universe might work for a sag or scorp bt never for a taurus. His resistance points are valid, he will not move an inch if they are adressed in an empathetic way.

I have a few thoughts on that because I am a taurus, can I pm you?
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go for it.