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Has had his Venus in Scorpio. How I didn't realize this until now I don't know.

That is all 4 of my serious relationships lasting 2+ years.

Apparently I'm a masochist. hahah JK!!!

Okay serious question: are we really that bad??? I know you only can say with regards to men, but still.

Absolute not. You guys are awesome. Two of these men were some of the best humans I’ve ever met!

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Ah okay! Phew!😅 You always hear how terrible this placement is, and I def. wouldn't want to date myself😄😄

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Has had his Venus in Scorpio. How I didn't realize this until now I don't know.

That is all 4 of my serious relationships lasting 2+ years.

Apparently I'm a masochist. hahah JK!!!

Okay serious question: are we really that bad??? I know you only can say with regards to men, but still.

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You need to date someone who isn’t on social media. Which means you need to put down the phone and be present.

I am quite present, I'd say. And I did date someone who was not much on social media. He still went intp tje whole liking girls pics and commenting thing. Classic.
And the guys who are usually without social media are also mostly a certain type, political and dress a certain way and this and that which I have not yet found attractive.

My bf doesn’t have social media. His online activity is YouTube and craigslist auto parts and porn (I’m sure). He’s not political. Anymore than I am.

They are out there. And your not gonna find them on your phone.

No. I only get attracted to people I meey in real life. But then I see their online persona, and it's this mix if pathetic and player. Can't win.
For example if I only based things on what I see and experience in real life with the cap, I would be under the impression, that he had some sort of human care for me. I find out what goes on online and he's a thirsty boy that almost can't remember my name, 'cause he's trying to drown himself in other women/girls.

It’s dangerous to make assumptions.

Until someone gives you the promise of exclusivity, assume they are treetrunking other people.

Guys I treetrunk mostly only treetrunk me when we do, but they are still out chasing. I am not enough for them. Their loss ofcours, but I become obsessed with having them like me. A battle I will never win.

I also sometimes have issues with this. Its a self esteem thing, well actually its more of a deep seated issue of thinking you don't deserve to be happy or something. Outwards i think i'm pretty treetrunking amazing but something inside me obviously thinks I don't deserve love or something I am trying not to chase men anymore and generally the men I do like when they like me I do some self sabotage to make them leave. You need to work on yourself and actively not pursue these types of men

Uuuuh but am I really ready to see myself selfsabotage every little good thing I got going for me? It's easy to chase the not interested. Here I can make no mistakes whatsoever. They simply do not care enough to be bothered.

But why would you want to be with a guy who doesn't want to be with you?? I think thats where it is a self esteem issue

Yes ofcours. Good question and I have NO idea!!!!!!! Only thing I know is it does not require anything from me, I can't do wrong and there is no preassure on me. But it is completely insane, I know. And I honestly from the bottom of my heart do not know.
I think, THINK, that in my mind it is actually the opposite of bad selfesteem; it is believing that he will change his feelings, just because he can't not like me. And also a thinking that it doesn't matter what he thinks of me, I can still feel good about myself. These are the only reasons I can think of as ways I try to rationalize and how I operate.

I think you are trying to rationalize it. If one of these guys ended up liking you would you be able to accept love or do you self sabotage? If you self sabotage once you get it then deep down you don't feel like you deserve love.

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Hmm well noone of them have ended up liking me. With all of them though I feel panic at the thought of them really liking me. Like then there is a lot of responsibility on me and I have to make the right decisions. Honestly I think sometimes I like to make mistakes, I like being a treetrunk up.
With ONE guy things were different. But he started out as a one night stand, but then wanted to see me right away and kept being in touch and wanted to see me and came on strong. I just went with it and ended up actually really liking the guy and didn't ge to that panic state. But then he showed who he really was and turns out he didn't really care that much. It was a weird experience. But no panic. I was ready to have a relationship.

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You need to date someone who isn’t on social media. Which means you need to put down the phone and be present.

I am quite present, I'd say. And I did date someone who was not much on social media. He still went intp tje whole liking girls pics and commenting thing. Classic.
And the guys who are usually without social media are also mostly a certain type, political and dress a certain way and this and that which I have not yet found attractive.

My bf doesn’t have social media. His online activity is YouTube and craigslist auto parts and porn (I’m sure). He’s not political. Anymore than I am.

They are out there. And your not gonna find them on your phone.

No. I only get attracted to people I meey in real life. But then I see their online persona, and it's this mix if pathetic and player. Can't win.
For example if I only based things on what I see and experience in real life with the cap, I would be under the impression, that he had some sort of human care for me. I find out what goes on online and he's a thirsty boy that almost can't remember my name, 'cause he's trying to drown himself in other women/girls.

It’s dangerous to make assumptions.

Until someone gives you the promise of exclusivity, assume they are treetrunking other people.

Guys I treetrunk mostly only treetrunk me when we do, but they are still out chasing. I am not enough for them. Their loss ofcours, but I become obsessed with having them like me. A battle I will never win.

I also sometimes have issues with this. Its a self esteem thing, well actually its more of a deep seated issue of thinking you don't deserve to be happy or something. Outwards i think i'm pretty treetrunking amazing but something inside me obviously thinks I don't deserve love or something I am trying not to chase men anymore and generally the men I do like when they like me I do some self sabotage to make them leave. You need to work on yourself and actively not pursue these types of men

Uuuuh but am I really ready to see myself selfsabotage every little good thing I got going for me? It's easy to chase the not interested. Here I can make no mistakes whatsoever. They simply do not care enough to be bothered.

But why would you want to be with a guy who doesn't want to be with you?? I think thats where it is a self esteem issue

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Yes ofcours. Good question and I have NO idea!!!!!!! Only thing I know is it does not require anything from me, I can't do wrong and there is no preassure on me. But it is completely insane, I know. And I honestly from the bottom of my heart do not know.
I think, THINK, that in my mind it is actually the opposite of bad selfesteem; it is believing that he will change his feelings, just because he can't not like me. And also a thinking that it doesn't matter what he thinks of me, I can still feel good about myself. These are the only reasons I can think of as ways I try to rationalize and how I operate.

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You need to date someone who isn’t on social media. Which means you need to put down the phone and be present.

I am quite present, I'd say. And I did date someone who was not much on social media. He still went intp tje whole liking girls pics and commenting thing. Classic.
And the guys who are usually without social media are also mostly a certain type, political and dress a certain way and this and that which I have not yet found attractive.

My bf doesn’t have social media. His online activity is YouTube and craigslist auto parts and porn (I’m sure). He’s not political. Anymore than I am.

They are out there. And your not gonna find them on your phone.

No. I only get attracted to people I meey in real life. But then I see their online persona, and it's this mix if pathetic and player. Can't win.
For example if I only based things on what I see and experience in real life with the cap, I would be under the impression, that he had some sort of human care for me. I find out what goes on online and he's a thirsty boy that almost can't remember my name, 'cause he's trying to drown himself in other women/girls.

It’s dangerous to make assumptions.

Until someone gives you the promise of exclusivity, assume they are treetrunking other people.

Guys I treetrunk mostly only treetrunk me when we do, but they are still out chasing. I am not enough for them. Their loss ofcours, but I become obsessed with having them like me. A battle I will never win.

I also sometimes have issues with this. Its a self esteem thing, well actually its more of a deep seated issue of thinking you don't deserve to be happy or something. Outwards i think i'm pretty treetrunking amazing but something inside me obviously thinks I don't deserve love or something I am trying not to chase men anymore and generally the men I do like when they like me I do some self sabotage to make them leave. You need to work on yourself and actively not pursue these types of men

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Uuuuh but am I really ready to see myself selfsabotage every little good thing I got going for me? It's easy to chase the not interested. Here I can make no mistakes whatsoever. They simply do not care enough to be bothered.

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If it gets to the point I’m deep checking his social media to see who and how often he talks to people it’s already over. By then my intuition already knows. Why bother looking for evidence when I can just bounce early and avoid the mess.

There are plenty of people not like that. Majority I’ve dated and just treetrunked around with weren’t.

I guess dating is the keyword here. I get involved but they don't want to date. They follow an enourmess amount of girls everyday and then make stories of themselves hoping to get something bsck from all those girls, which they rarely do.
It's guys that are missing something, but don't want it from me.
That's my situation.

But for other women it's their boyfriends or husbands that do it. I've heard of and met way more guys who act like this than not. Why are all guys so unfulfilled? Even the guys who got the kardashians cheat on them (joking but still you know).

You want it too bad. Your vibe is too desperate. Sucks to hear I know, been there myself. But part of you enjoys it. Otherwise you wouldn’t keep chasing after people once they show disinterest or disrespect, you’d be disgusted or turned off by it instead of trying to force it.

Any woman that settles for dudes acting a way she doesn’t like, that’s her choice. I think there are plenty of men out there not thirsting for any attention from any female possible. But a lot of women think like you do, and believe it’s just how all men are and they accept it.

I personally wouldn’t and don’t. treetrunk dat. Too much dick out here attached to beautiful hearts and emotionally healthy souls. No need to trip off dick that comes with ten years of unresolved baggage.

I don't take any offense to being called desperate. Partly becase it's not true. I do have guys chasing after me, that I am just not attracted to. BUT a part of me is desperate to get the guys I want. And those guys are def. lacking something and are in their own ways desperate for attention from ladies or something else. Maybe I see that and think I can clench their thirst, that it should be easy, and then they still reject me. And that I do not accept or understand. I am basically amazing!😄 I want someone who's hard to get.

But this is also based on a lot of other peoples stories, not just mine😉

Well there ya go. Desperate for what unavailable so you only want men that are desperate for what’s unavailable. Like attracts like. If you want those men then don’t act like it.

Seems like you’d have to run a head game on yourself to do that tho. Sounds like too much work to me but if you like to earn your love thru a bit of pain have at it.

I guess it’s a lot of stories but it really doesn’t have to be. I spent a year doing the lame back and forth with someone and once I dropped it and him the quality and compatibility of men I’ve been attracting has been far more fun. I spend my time going out, doing butter, learning, experiencing the world and just feeling dope, not analyzing to death men or dating and spinning my wheels over butter and people I can’t change. I prefer how I date now to how I dated then but that’s me I guess.

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You know what amt I'm willing to try everything, even stupid headgames on myself, 'cause I've had no succes so far. I did when I was young, a teenager. Suddenly the guys just switched and wanted me, but sadly then I had moved on without their knowledge. But still they switched. I am treetrunked up and can't seem to get fixed.

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If it doesn't work for you then why not just agree to commit to someone who has no social media?

Oh def. I would if I met someone without it I was intetested in.

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You need to date someone who isn’t on social media. Which means you need to put down the phone and be present.

I am quite present, I'd say. And I did date someone who was not much on social media. He still went intp tje whole liking girls pics and commenting thing. Classic.
And the guys who are usually without social media are also mostly a certain type, political and dress a certain way and this and that which I have not yet found attractive.

My bf doesn’t have social media. His online activity is YouTube and craigslist auto parts and porn (I’m sure). He’s not political. Anymore than I am.

They are out there. And your not gonna find them on your phone.

No. I only get attracted to people I meey in real life. But then I see their online persona, and it's this mix if pathetic and player. Can't win.
For example if I only based things on what I see and experience in real life with the cap, I would be under the impression, that he had some sort of human care for me. I find out what goes on online and he's a thirsty boy that almost can't remember my name, 'cause he's trying to drown himself in other women/girls.

It’s dangerous to make assumptions.

Until someone gives you the promise of exclusivity, assume they are treetrunking other people.

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Guys I treetrunk mostly only treetrunk me when we do, but they are still out chasing. I am not enough for them. Their loss ofcours, but I become obsessed with having them like me. A battle I will never win.

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Women are just as bad for this, it's not just the guys. I've seen some really, really desperate / skanky msgs and nude images sent by women that were not asked for by the recipient. There's some thirsty ass women out there too..

Ofcours. I feel like women do it to get back at someone though and not just because they feel like it. And I'm totally biazed and politically incorrect here, but for me, if a guy tried to do things and play games to actually get me, I would be okay with that, but they just do it because they are indifferet and don't care at all.

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If it gets to the point I’m deep checking his social media to see who and how often he talks to people it’s already over. By then my intuition already knows. Why bother looking for evidence when I can just bounce early and avoid the mess.

There are plenty of people not like that. Majority I’ve dated and just treetrunked around with weren’t.

I guess dating is the keyword here. I get involved but they don't want to date. They follow an enourmess amount of girls everyday and then make stories of themselves hoping to get something bsck from all those girls, which they rarely do.
It's guys that are missing something, but don't want it from me.
That's my situation.

But for other women it's their boyfriends or husbands that do it. I've heard of and met way more guys who act like this than not. Why are all guys so unfulfilled? Even the guys who got the kardashians cheat on them (joking but still you know).

You want it too bad. Your vibe is too desperate. Sucks to hear I know, been there myself. But part of you enjoys it. Otherwise you wouldn’t keep chasing after people once they show disinterest or disrespect, you’d be disgusted or turned off by it instead of trying to force it.

Any woman that settles for dudes acting a way she doesn’t like, that’s her choice. I think there are plenty of men out there not thirsting for any attention from any female possible. But a lot of women think like you do, and believe it’s just how all men are and they accept it.

I personally wouldn’t and don’t. treetrunk dat. Too much dick out here attached to beautiful hearts and emotionally healthy souls. No need to trip off dick that comes with ten years of unresolved baggage.

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I don't take any offense to being called desperate. Partly becase it's not true. I do have guys chasing after me, that I am just not attracted to. BUT a part of me is desperate to get the guys I want. And those guys are def. lacking something and are in their own ways desperate for attention from ladies or something else. Maybe I see that and think I can clench their thirst, that it should be easy, and then they still reject me. And that I do not accept or understand. I am basically amazing!😄 I want someone who's hard to get.

But this is also based on a lot of other peoples stories, not just mine😉

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whatever

hoes gonna hoe with or without social media

hell you can even do that in online games

True. Can't control anything. And guys are the biggest and most thirsty hoes there are. Some of them.
But soooo okay, I give up on guys then. It's like accept all the butter they bring and have somehing with one, or do not accept it and stay true to yourself alone.

women can do things like that too
but yeah i think men are most likely to do it

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I wish I were a guy sometimes, just so I could understand what it's like and what matters to them and things.

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You need to date someone who isn’t on social media. Which means you need to put down the phone and be present.

I am quite present, I'd say. And I did date someone who was not much on social media. He still went intp tje whole liking girls pics and commenting thing. Classic.
And the guys who are usually without social media are also mostly a certain type, political and dress a certain way and this and that which I have not yet found attractive.

My bf doesn’t have social media. His online activity is YouTube and craigslist auto parts and porn (I’m sure). He’s not political. Anymore than I am.

They are out there. And your not gonna find them on your phone.

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No. I only get attracted to people I meey in real life. But then I see their online persona, and it's this mix if pathetic and player. Can't win.
For example if I only based things on what I see and experience in real life with the cap, I would be under the impression, that he had some sort of human care for me. I find out what goes on online and he's a thirsty boy that almost can't remember my name, 'cause he's trying to drown himself in other women/girls.

Posted by s_i_e_r_r_a
whatever

hoes gonna hoe with or without social media

hell you can even do that in online games

True. Can't control anything. And guys are the biggest and most thirsty hoes there are. Some of them.
But soooo okay, I give up on guys then. It's like accept all the butter they bring and have somehing with one, or do not accept it and stay true to yourself alone.

Aaaaah the light shines bright. He's thirsty for attention from girls, that's why he sometimes like me being possesiveness.
Too bad that's not enough for him.

Posted by LadyNeptune
You need to date someone who isn’t on social media. Which means you need to put down the phone and be present.

I am quite present, I'd say. And I did date someone who was not much on social media. He still went intp tje whole liking girls pics and commenting thing. Classic.
And the guys who are usually without social media are also mostly a certain type, political and dress a certain way and this and that which I have not yet found attractive.

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You dont have to accept any of it.

Stay true to yourself.

It's difficult though. Maybe you accept it when getting to know each other and dating, but won't accept it from a boyfriend. But the boyfriend thinks you'll just accept it always and don't understand why it's suddenly a big deal. Ofcours he gets it, but he playes dumb to get to live his life.

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If it gets to the point I’m deep checking his social media to see who and how often he talks to people it’s already over. By then my intuition already knows. Why bother looking for evidence when I can just bounce early and avoid the mess.

There are plenty of people not like that. Majority I’ve dated and just treetrunked around with weren’t.

I guess dating is the keyword here. I get involved but they don't want to date. They follow an enourmess amount of girls everyday and then make stories of themselves hoping to get something bsck from all those girls, which they rarely do.
It's guys that are missing something, but don't want it from me.
That's my situation.

But for other women it's their boyfriends or husbands that do it. I've heard of and met way more guys who act like this than not. Why are all guys so unfulfilled? Even the guys who got the kardashians cheat on them (joking but still you know).

No, not all guys do it, but a great deal do; constantly like and follow and comment on beautiful womens profiles.

I have heard and experienced it from all levels: fwb, exclusive fwb, dating, boyfriend/girlfriend, comitted relationship and marriage.

In a fwb where say a girl has feelings involved, and the guy is out chasinf girls on instagram, it is said to be an indicator, that he is not interested.
But what about when committed or martird guys do it?

Is it something we just have to accept? Most likely nothing is ever gonna happen exept maybe talking online.

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Accept how? Understand that they do?

No idea, never gotten that far..

But I have a hard time thinking about romantic love without it being some kind of ploy to have power over me.. If someone were to say it to me, I wouldn't believe it and instead think about what they wanted from me.

IDK. For me, I just DGAF about romance right now and all my friends are so weirded out by me lol, it feels weird for them that someone my age haven't been in love or a RS.

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I constantly go back and forth on this. 'Cause when I don't care about it I end up in situations where the other person don't care one bit about me and I get hurt. Am not good at accepting or dealing with other people being indifferent to me. It makes me feel lost and of no value.

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Yes

I like to fight for it, then I don’t trust it...

Venus in Scorpio?

Spot on!!!!!!!!!!!

Ive been with 2 ViS and talked to a few. The self sabotage is strong, y'all need someone mean AND correct to make you guys remove the mask

What do you mean "mean and correct"?
Selfsabotage is so strong with me, that I don't even engage in anything with someone, who has some potential.. I just go straight to the wrong ones where there is nothing left to do but to run my head againsy a wall. I should get an award for that!

I mean you need someone who is very very direct. ViS prefers someone whos interest in them isnt easy to see, they like a good mystery and want to pull apart the other persons soul so they can see how it was formed.. only to reform it. Alchemy is your strong suit

You'll never fully figure out a Venus in Gemini, because they are so simple to love... like a child and they dont require too much to satisfy them. And Venus in Virgo are so critical, they like it when someone wants to reform the harsh things they believe about themselves

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I think I need someone who is not easy to get, he needs to challenge me. But he needs to also not treetrunk me over. Hard to get but loyal. That combo does not exist. They don't how to treat a woman who chase with respect and loyalty.
I'm not sure I want to pull apart the other persons soul though!😄😄😄 But I instantly mostly assume the worst about people or at æeast recognize their bad sides, so I will see both the good and bad in a partner. All of this while being stupidly naive, it's a very very tricky combo to be like that.