Satcorn
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Astrology and Narcissism
Aspects
North Node conjunct Sun
North node is agressive and wants to take shortcuts
The north node is destiny and isn't achieved until later, so the person could develop narcissism I guess
VENUS-PLUTO
This aspect seems to be the most influencial in determining narcissism. Usually narcissist aren't found unless you are in a relationship with one
Venus is about relationships of course and when aspect by pluto it triggers insecurities and or a sense of rejection either in yourself or in relationships bringing our defense mechanisms such as narcissism.
I've seen Venus Pluto and Pluto in general come up a bit
In a personal relationship where I accused someone of being a narcissist we had this as an EXACT negative aspect
And astrologers with these websites have claimed so that pluto or venus/pluto mean narcissism
These websites claim that Pluto has a huge influence regarding narcissism
http://www.thespiritualeclectic.com/...-in-the-stars/
http://www.elsaelsa.com/astrology/na...elf-rejection/
http://angstoic.com/2015/03/pluto-and-narcissism/
Lastly as my personal opinions
Neptune-Sun Aspect and Pluto-Sun or Moon
Narcissists are extremely delusional and lack boundaries. Similar to Neptune and Sun lacking boundaries and being aware of their ego.
This aspect has a lot to do with imagin
North Node conjunct Sun
North node is agressive and wants to take shortcuts
The north node is destiny and isn't achieved until later, so the person could develop narcissism I guess
VENUS-PLUTO
This aspect seems to be the most influencial in determining narcissism. Usually narcissist aren't found unless you are in a relationship with one
Venus is about relationships of course and when aspect by pluto it triggers insecurities and or a sense of rejection either in yourself or in relationships bringing our defense mechanisms such as narcissism.
I've seen Venus Pluto and Pluto in general come up a bit
In a personal relationship where I accused someone of being a narcissist we had this as an EXACT negative aspect
And astrologers with these websites have claimed so that pluto or venus/pluto mean narcissism
These websites claim that Pluto has a huge influence regarding narcissism
http://www.thespiritualeclectic.com/...-in-the-stars/
http://www.elsaelsa.com/astrology/na...elf-rejection/
http://angstoic.com/2015/03/pluto-and-narcissism/
Lastly as my personal opinions
Neptune-Sun Aspect and Pluto-Sun or Moon
Narcissists are extremely delusional and lack boundaries. Similar to Neptune and Sun lacking boundaries and being aware of their ego.
This aspect has a lot to do with imagin
What about the moon opposing Neptune?
My personal judgement about the my people with Aquarius placements (Sun, Mercury, Moon so far) has been that they are arrogant (feeling superior no matter what).
Never I came to the word "narcisstic" for them. Maybe because they are nice and friendly and do good things to the others at the same time. Also their differing ideas are a bless in my eyes
If Aqua with good ideas is forgiven for their narcissism, then I could forgive Libras too. For their beauty. And Virgos. For their hard try to achieve perfection.
Heh? why is Virgo not on here? Or does my sister have Sun in the 7th? That gives me a key to guess her AC. thank you.
Never I came to the word "narcisstic" for them. Maybe because they are nice and friendly and do good things to the others at the same time. Also their differing ideas are a bless in my eyes
If Aqua with good ideas is forgiven for their narcissism, then I could forgive Libras too. For their beauty. And Virgos. For their hard try to achieve perfection.
Heh? why is Virgo not on here? Or does my sister have Sun in the 7th? That gives me a key to guess her AC. thank you.
I got 3 of 9.
Narcissus/Pisces/14° squares Mercury/Sag/14, conjuncts Chiron/10, opposes Pluto/Virgo/14, and opposes U/Virg/9°.
Echo/Cap/24°: no aspects.
Aquarius: Sat/17°
Sun/11th: no
Libra: no
Sun in the 7th: no
NN=Sun: no
V-PL: no (25° vs 14°)
Neptune-Sun: Sag/3 conjuncts Scorp/24
Narcissus/Pisces/14° squares Mercury/Sag/14, conjuncts Chiron/10, opposes Pluto/Virgo/14, and opposes U/Virg/9°.
Echo/Cap/24°: no aspects.
Aquarius: Sat/17°
Sun/11th: no
Libra: no
Sun in the 7th: no
NN=Sun: no
V-PL: no (25° vs 14°)
Neptune-Sun: Sag/3 conjuncts Scorp/24
Personal planets? or any planets?
cause in the latter case
Echo/Cap/24° sextile Neptune/Sc/24.
cause in the latter case
Echo/Cap/24° sextile Neptune/Sc/24.
Is square a sign of it? or weakening it? I have squares and my sis too. she has Narcissus/Leo/14 square to Neptune, Mars and Venus. 17, 19, 6.
She has also Echo conjunct Sun, Mercury, Pluto and Uranus: 12° to 8°, 19°, 16° and 15.
an inverted narcissism?
That needs more thoughts.
She has also Echo conjunct Sun, Mercury, Pluto and Uranus: 12° to 8°, 19°, 16° and 15.
an inverted narcissism?
That needs more thoughts.
maybe the tendencies are there astrologically but the environment we grow up in also shapes us so I don't think you can nail this one by the planets - my mother was an extreme narcissist and she was Leo Sun, I have no idea what other planets she has lined up. I guess I could look at this to see what you are saying - another term for a narcissist is that they feel "entitled" and you are correct - they are fully functional and outgoing people and it seems they have it all - until you are around them for a period of time and then you see that they actually just "feed" off others - manipulative and very scheming to get what they want and if they don't get it - look out !
Posted by Arielle83Narcissist's aren't necessarily people who obsess over a mirror. A true narcissist is someone who had denied their true self and create a false self for attention and adulation.
I have Venus conjunct Pluto.
Yet I barely look in the mirror.
Heyyyy
Posted by JahliaYes I do. Except it's an inconjunction (quincunx). Not sure if that means it could have the same effect as a regular venus-pluto aspect. But I aslo have Pluto trine Sun and Pluto square Moon, so I'm sure there's something going on.Posted by SatcornDo you have venus pluto natally?
Aspects
North Node conjunct Sun
North node is agressive and wants to take shortcuts
The north node is destiny and isn't achieved until later, so the person could develop narcissism I guess
VENUS-PLUTO
This aspect seems to be the most influencial in determining narcissism. Usually narcissist aren't found unless you are in a relationship with one
Venus is about relationships of course and when aspect by pluto it triggers insecurities and or a sense of rejection either in yourself or in relationships bringing our defense mechanisms such as narcissism.
I've seen Venus Pluto and Pluto in general come up a bit
In a personal relationship where I accused someone of being a narcissist we had this as an EXACT negative aspect
And astrologers with these websites have claimed so that pluto or venus/pluto mean narcissism
These websites claim that Pluto has a huge influence regarding narcissism
http://www.thespiritualeclectic.com/...-in-the-stars/
http://www.elsaelsa.com/astrology/na...elf-rejection/
http://angstoic.com/2015/03/pluto-and-narcissism/
Lastly as my personal opinions
Neptune-Sun Aspect and Pluto-Sun or Moon
Narcissists are extremely delusional and lack boundaries. Similar to Neptune and Sun lacking boundaries and being aware of their ego.
This aspect has a lot to do with imaginclick to expand
Posted by DwellingOnMoveWell I mean you could put in Virgo, but then again you could put in every sign honestly for any reason. Aries because they're selfish, Leo's because they think they're the best and so on.. I've just thought of aquarians and libras to be the most likely to deny their true self and project a false image. Virgo's don't seem the type to do that at all.
I got 3 of 9.
Narcissus/Pisces/14° squares Mercury/Sag/14, conjuncts Chiron/10, opposes Pluto/Virgo/14, and opposes U/Virg/9°.
Echo/Cap/24°: no aspects.
Aquarius: Sat/17°
Sun/11th: no
Libra: no
Sun in the 7th: no
NN=Sun: no
V-PL: no (25° vs 14°)
Neptune-Sun: Sag/3 conjuncts Scorp/24
And based on those aspects you could be narcissistic, but then again this is just a food for thought thread. Astrology probably can't really determine narcissism, but just give us clues. But the narcissus astroid you have is really interesting, but I think astroids don't have a real impact unless they're tightly conjuncting another personal planet, but the orbs you have are exact so I don't know.
Moon in Aquarius, often.
Magical Thinking? What does that have to do with narcissism?
Posted by risesafterallYes, please do! Anything is accepted.
One of my relatives is the prime example of a narcissist, I can upload his chart if you'd like
Posted by SatcornPosted by DwellingOnMoveWell I mean you could put in Virgo, but then again you could put in every sign honestly for any reason. Aries because they're selfish, Leo's because they think they're the best and so on.. I've just thought of aquarians and libras to be the most likely to deny their true self and project a false image. Virgo's don't seem the type to do that at all.
I got 3 of 9.
Narcissus/Pisces/14° squares Mercury/Sag/14, conjuncts Chiron/10, opposes Pluto/Virgo/14, and opposes U/Virg/9°.
Echo/Cap/24°: no aspects.
Aquarius: Sat/17°
Sun/11th: no
Libra: no
Sun in the 7th: no
NN=Sun: no
V-PL: no (25° vs 14°)
Neptune-Sun: Sag/3 conjuncts Scorp/24click to expand
I don't insist on this. It is just that my sister shows signs of narcissisism and she was diagnosed once with that title whicde made her very angry.
she is very sweet and helpful so at the first glance one would not check for narcissism. afterall maybe she is not one and that diagnosis could have been wrong.
Linda Goodman did not bring Virgo and narcissism in one sentence.
Posted by boringpyezece
Magical Thinking? What does that have to do with narcissism?
That means you think of yourslef as a majesty?
lol
Posted by DwellingOnMoveSorry I forgot to add this paragraph...Posted by SatcornPosted by DwellingOnMoveWell I mean you could put in Virgo, but then again you could put in every sign honestly for any reason. Aries because they're selfish, Leo's because they think they're the best and so on.. I've just thought of aquarians and libras to be the most likely to deny their true self and project a false image. Virgo's don't seem the type to do that at all.
I got 3 of 9.
Narcissus/Pisces/14° squares Mercury/Sag/14, conjuncts Chiron/10, opposes Pluto/Virgo/14, and opposes U/Virg/9°.
Echo/Cap/24°: no aspects.
Aquarius: Sat/17°
Sun/11th: no
Libra: no
Sun in the 7th: no
NN=Sun: no
V-PL: no (25° vs 14°)
Neptune-Sun: Sag/3 conjuncts Scorp/24
I don't insist on this. It is just that my sister shows signs of narcissisism and she was diagnosed once with that title whicde made her very angry.
she is very sweet and helpful so at the first glance one would not check for narcissism. afterall maybe she is not one and that diagnosis could have been wrong.
Linda Goodman did not bring Virgo and narcissism in one sentence.click to expand
And based on those aspects you could be narcissistic, but then again this is just a food for thought thread. Astrology probably can't really determine narcissism, but just give us clues. But the narcissus astroid you have is really interesting, but I think astroids don't have a real impact unless they're tightly conjuncting another personal planet, but the orbs you have are exact so I don't know.
interesting yes.
conjunction not.
is square the same as conju, sextl, trine?
conjunction not.
is square the same as conju, sextl, trine?
Posted by DwellingOnMovehttp://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/2/2e/Joffrey_2x04.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120430012345Posted by boringpyezece
Magical Thinking? What does that have to do with narcissism?
That means you think of yourslef as a majesty?
lolclick to expand
Posted by DwellingOnMoveand I laugh - most narcissists are very hard to diagnose and the profession does not really want to try to treat them because they are in such denial - so if you "think" you might be a narcissist, believe me in saying that you are notPosted by SatcornPosted by DwellingOnMoveWell I mean you could put in Virgo, but then again you could put in every sign honestly for any reason. Aries because they're selfish, Leo's because they think they're the best and so on.. I've just thought of aquarians and libras to be the most likely to deny their true self and project a false image. Virgo's don't seem the type to do that at all.
I got 3 of 9.
Narcissus/Pisces/14° squares Mercury/Sag/14, conjuncts Chiron/10, opposes Pluto/Virgo/14, and opposes U/Virg/9°.
Echo/Cap/24°: no aspects.
Aquarius: Sat/17°
Sun/11th: no
Libra: no
Sun in the 7th: no
NN=Sun: no
V-PL: no (25° vs 14°)
Neptune-Sun: Sag/3 conjuncts Scorp/24
I don't insist on this. It is just that my sister shows signs of narcissisism and she was diagnosed once with that title whicde made her very angry.
she is very sweet and helpful so at the first glance one would not check for narcissism. afterall maybe she is not one and that diagnosis could have been wrong.
Linda Goodman did not bring Virgo and narcissism in one sentence.click to expand
most people do have some tendencies that would fit into many of the categories of the disorder descriptions but they are not problematic in life - and many disorders are difficult to diagnose as they can overlap and seemingly come and go ... the field seems to be coming up with more and more "labels" but it's difficult to find an exact fit with overlapping
lol - I just stay away - far away - when I run into people with any type of disorder - I have a very low tolerance due to growing up under someone who had these issues
Posted by JahliaYes, I've thought about that. His pluto is practically the same as my pluto--just off by two degrees. But becuase of that thought, I've wondered if everyone I've met would then have some kind of manipulative or narcissistic relationship with me, but maybe I'm just over-thinking. And I usually have relationships with people much older than me, anyway.Posted by SatcornDid your partners have it natally as well? People with natal personal to outer planet aspects will have them with everyone in their immediate age groupPosted by JahliaYes I do. Except it's an inconjunction (quincunx). Not sure if that means it could have the same effect as a regular venus-pluto aspect. But I aslo have Pluto trine Sun and Pluto square Moon, so I'm sure there's something going on.Posted by SatcornDo you have venus pluto natally?
Aspects
North Node conjunct Sun
North node is agressive and wants to take shortcuts
The north node is destiny and isn't achieved until later, so the person could develop narcissism I guess
VENUS-PLUTO
This aspect seems to be the most influencial in determining narcissism. Usually narcissist aren't found unless you are in a relationship with one
Venus is about relationships of course and when aspect by pluto it triggers insecurities and or a sense of rejection either in yourself or in relationships bringing our defense mechanisms such as narcissism.
I've seen Venus Pluto and Pluto in general come up a bit
In a personal relationship where I accused someone of being a narcissist we had this as an EXACT negative aspect
And astrologers with these websites have claimed so that pluto or venus/pluto mean narcissism
These websites claim that Pluto has a huge influence regarding narcissism
http://www.thespiritualeclectic.com/...-in-the-stars/
http://www.elsaelsa.com/astrology/na...elf-rejection/
http://angstoic.com/2015/03/pluto-and-narcissism/
Lastly as my personal opinions
Neptune-Sun Aspect and Pluto-Sun or Moon
Narcissists are extremely delusional and lack boundaries. Similar to Neptune and Sun lacking boundaries and being aware of their ego.
This aspect has a lot to do with imaginclick to expand
Posted by risesafterallFirst the first chart there is a venus/pluto inconjunction !!!, Neptune square sun for that delusion. And then a moon and sun being aspected by saturn which could make the person feel like there's a lacking of self. And a random moon in aquarius which is also interesting. Are you saying this chart reperesents a person or event?
This is the relative, aggressive and dangerous since traumatic experience:
And this guy fits the narcissist description pretty well too. He says he thinks he has this birthtime though but I think everything would be more accurate if he were a Sag asc
For the other chart, Neptune totally overtakes venus and the sun and that random moon in Leo. I've heard many ego people have sun's or moon's in Leo.
Obviously can't tell if this is narcissism, but is definitely interesting. Neptune seems to be important as well.
Posted by CantGetEnoughOHHH!! O: That's sooo interesting!
I've been called vain & narcissistic before and I have the Venus/Pluto Conjunction in my chart..
Too many planets in universal signs can be dangerous.
" because they are in such denial "
this is the first thing I thought to myself when she told the story. and at that time I have read nothing about narcissism on the net. I had only a vague idea of what the word wants to say.
would they tell me any kind of disorder, I would say "yes a little it can be true, but is it the excatest matching of all for me?".
this is the first thing I thought to myself when she told the story. and at that time I have read nothing about narcissism on the net. I had only a vague idea of what the word wants to say.
would they tell me any kind of disorder, I would say "yes a little it can be true, but is it the excatest matching of all for me?".
Posted by CantGetEnoughI have the square myself and it seems fairly manageable if I had to be honest; it's more about getting rid of the possessiveness (while in a relationship) than being vain or narcissistic.Posted by SatcornI guess the Venus and Pluto pairing is responsible for thatPosted by CantGetEnoughOHHH!! O: That's sooo interesting!
I've been called vain & narcissistic before and I have the Venus/Pluto Conjunction in my chart..click to expand
You only need to mature, find the right person and you'll see this aspect becoming innocuous.
Libra sun. (Mercury &😉 Venus conjunct Pluto.
I've had my self-loathing + concerned about being liked days. External validation was like music to my ears. So glad I grew to realize how meaningless it truly is. Last but not least: I'm probably one of the most humble people I know .. humble on the surface 😉
I've had my self-loathing + concerned about being liked days. External validation was like music to my ears. So glad I grew to realize how meaningless it truly is. Last but not least: I'm probably one of the most humble people I know .. humble on the surface 😉
Chart of someone I knew for years who fits the NPD profile very well.
Posted by CrosstownTrafficYes, definitely he was. He could use that to manipulate people, but unquestionably he was brilliant and often had innovative ideas.Posted by CopperDovei would say really intelligent person....
Chart of someone I knew for years who fits the NPD profile very well.
click to expand
Posted by narayanaThat is pretty amazing to have in a chart. Thanks for posting!Posted by CrosstownTrafficSun conj Venus AND Moon all squared by Sag NeptunePosted by narayanaso what exactly are you saying your dad has? does the square made to neptune, make a mutable tsquare?
Oh, my dad. He's irredeemable.
Pisces sun
Virgo moon
Aqua merc
Pisces venus
Aries mars
Aqua rising
Personal planets squared by Neptune
1st house stellium
Yes, I guess it's a T-squareclick to expand
So what are you trying to say
We should stake all the scorpio venus conj plutos?
We should stake all the scorpio venus conj plutos?
Posted by SassyKiwiIt's just an idea that narcissism happens from this aspect; it's by no means factual.
So what are you trying to say
We should stake all the scorpio venus conj plutos?
Posted by CrosstownTrafficThat's interesting. Hopefully you use your powers for good. 🙂
@copperdove his chart is very similiar to yours truly...
Posted by SassyKiwiplease .. you don't want it, fluffy creature
So what are you trying to say
We should stake all the scorpio venus conj plutos?
http://vocaroo.com/i/s16UdHAYWU4F
#timetobounce
Posted by KemetisinmeHow warm and charming 😆Posted by SassyKiwiplease .. you don't want it, fluffy creature
So what are you trying to say
We should stake all the scorpio venus conj plutos?
http://vocaroo.com/i/s16UdHAYWU4F
#timetobounceclick to expand
Posted by LuckyLibra979Nice.
First house sun and mars in Libra....love me some me. I fap in the mirror to my own reflection
Moon in Virgo
Posted by SatcornDon't we all do that to some degree in life? Actresses and supermodels make a career of it.Posted by Arielle83Narcissist's aren't necessarily people who obsess over a mirror. A true narcissist is someone who had denied their true self and create a false self for attention and adulation.
I have Venus conjunct Pluto.
Yet I barely look in the mirror.
Heyyyyclick to expand
I have a dissociate and "mutable" T-square in angular houses (4th-7th-10th).
Exalted jupiter in Cancer (10th) opposes moon (fire singleton) in Sagittarius (4th), with focal point being Sun/mercury in Pisces (7th), missing leg is my Virgo ascendant.
It's tricky.
Sun/mercury square Jupiter (2 degree orb) feels like a proper trine but then by degree it's not, I'm in tune with myself but then I'm not if a consider the square and that creates a weird feeling of disconnection. On one side I feel very humble but on the other I feel "forced" to be overly confident/narcissist to overcome those negative and prominent aspects.
Sometimes I voluntarily tone my ego down, albeit I know I'm a lot more functional, given my innate desire for changes, when I switch it up.
Exalted jupiter in Cancer (10th) opposes moon (fire singleton) in Sagittarius (4th), with focal point being Sun/mercury in Pisces (7th), missing leg is my Virgo ascendant.
It's tricky.
Sun/mercury square Jupiter (2 degree orb) feels like a proper trine but then by degree it's not, I'm in tune with myself but then I'm not if a consider the square and that creates a weird feeling of disconnection. On one side I feel very humble but on the other I feel "forced" to be overly confident/narcissist to overcome those negative and prominent aspects.
Sometimes I voluntarily tone my ego down, albeit I know I'm a lot more functional, given my innate desire for changes, when I switch it up.
Posted by SeasonWell all celebrities tend to be more narcissistic. But yes we all do to some degree. Narcissists, however, deny their true self so much that they become dysfunctional and harm other people.Posted by SatcornDon't we all do that to some degree in life? Actresses and supermodels make a career of it.Posted by Arielle83Narcissist's aren't necessarily people who obsess over a mirror. A true narcissist is someone who had denied their true self and create a false self for attention and adulation.
I have Venus conjunct Pluto.
Yet I barely look in the mirror.
Heyyyyclick to expand
Posted by SatcornOkay. Like Charles Manson or Hitler? I get it.Posted by SeasonWell all celebrities tend to be more narcissistic. But yes we all do to some degree. Narcissists, however, deny their true self so much that they become dysfunctional and harm other people.Posted by SatcornDon't we all do that to some degree in life? Actresses and supermodels make a career of it.Posted by Arielle83Narcissist's aren't necessarily people who obsess over a mirror. A true narcissist is someone who had denied their true self and create a false self for attention and adulation.
I have Venus conjunct Pluto.
Yet I barely look in the mirror.
Heyyyyclick to expand
Posted by SeasonUh... yes 🙂Posted by SatcornOkay. Like Charles Manson or Hitler? I get it.Posted by SeasonWell all celebrities tend to be more narcissistic. But yes we all do to some degree. Narcissists, however, deny their true self so much that they become dysfunctional and harm other people.Posted by SatcornDon't we all do that to some degree in life? Actresses and supermodels make a career of it.Posted by Arielle83Narcissist's aren't necessarily people who obsess over a mirror. A true narcissist is someone who had denied their true self and create a false self for attention and adulation.
I have Venus conjunct Pluto.
Yet I barely look in the mirror.
Heyyyyclick to expand
Posted by tizianiYou're disappointed? LOL
Disappointed I only have 2 qualities listed in the OP.
I'd say Aqua Jupiter though.
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General Narcissistic Traits--
Magical Thinking
Arrogance
Envy
Entitlement
Exploitation
Lack Boundaries
Shame-based personaltiy
Rejection of the Real Self in exchange for a beholded false self
Narcissistic Supply - Attention, adulation, affection, praise, etc... (Self-esteem regulation)
Heres some placement ideas for Narcissism
Narcissus (37117)
You can tell by the name..Basically if this astroid touches something personal in your chart, or something personal in another persons chart, then you'll be narcissistic.
Echo (60)
Echo represents giving yourself away to others. Your personality is "echoed" in another person. Echo shows narcissism because she is essentially rejecting her real self by craving affection and love from another person to feed her false self.
So if echo touches something personal, could also be narcissistic, but an inverted narcissism
Zodiac Signs
I don't think zodiac signs determine if someone is narcissistic really, but it's something to think about.
Aquarius - Sun in the 11th
detachment
associated with the god complex ("I'm above all or special")
genius or intelligent - triggers the "above all"
opposite of Leo, an outward friendship rather than inner. Focusing on your outer world means you don't have to get deep or in intimacy; easy narcissistic supply, especially by doing charity or performing in large groups and organizations
Libra - Sun in the 7th
similar to echo... Libra seems to be a little fake--shaping themselves just so they can be liked or have friendships--rejecting the true self