Keaghan
@Keaghan
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Explain Yourself
So no one really knows.
People just kept writing down information about a persons personality depending on time of year. Over time these people writing information started to combine the stuff they both had in common till that information started to become true.
Why are you asking us? You're the smarty pants. 😄
Posted by DwellingOnMoveThe things you asked in that thread were directed at everyone and I figured more informed people could answer. But I did look at the Pullen Chart after you brought it up and studied it a lot (and still have more to do). Thanks!Posted by Keaghan
I'd like to know your own personal theoretical basis/foundation behind astrology and the Zodiac.
How does it actually work? How and why are people's lives ("destinies" if you prefer) intertwined with the placement of celestial bodies?
Be as technical with physics or as broad with philosophy as you want. I'm just sitting on a stump listening.
well, I was about to write an answer. but since you did not refer or talked to me in your guess-my-sign-thread, my Lilith in Scorpio has liberated me to be revengeful. hence I deleted all my lines and kept them to myself.
have a nice day.click to expand
Posted by HellDorado
the reason not many people here could answer the question is obviously because most do not know the answer. but not because there isn't one.
😉
Indeed, I want people to share their personal reasoning behind where they believe Astrology comes from and how they think it works. Thanks for the article, I'll read it over again.
Here is my perspective:
The alleged origins of Astrology can be found in the Book of Enoch. Baraqiel, a Fallen Angel, taught Astrology to mankind. He was one of the Watchers, and I subscribe to the theory that the Watchers were extraterrestrial in origin. It was intended to be a tool to understand personalities, compatibilities, forecast climates, evolution etc. So if it is a "language" then we have a Fallen Angel to give credit.
I want to know is how does this "language" work? How could Baraqiel and his kind have figured it out? I oft see people say things like "Sun in House X means XYZ" but they can't explain why or how the Sun in House X means XYZ.... Only that it does.... In other words, science and logic seemingly cannot be applied for the subject, only against it.
I don't say that to be disparaging. I am investigating it. Just because human science, in its limited scope, cannot prove something doesn't mean it's not a real phenomena (I've had paranormal encounters). But I am curious if anyone has come up with some theories, otherwise I have the thought that the science of the Watchers, from 2500 years~ ago, is more advanced than our own.
Akin to a primitive man being given a gun and told how to shoot it, but not knowing how it was constructed, and not knowing why it can fire a bullet. Only that it does.
"Akin to a primitive man being given a gun and told how to shoot it, but not knowing how it was constructed, and not knowing why it can fire a bullet. Only that it does."
Nicely said but untrue. Nobody handed us astrology on a plate, it evolved over the centuries. It is "created" by people based upon observations and their creativity.
Nicely said but untrue. Nobody handed us astrology on a plate, it evolved over the centuries. It is "created" by people based upon observations and their creativity.
Posted by HellDorado
ahhh now we're talking.
how much of numerology have you looked into OP? it's another "language" of archetypes which was also purportedly taught to Enoch by the divine. and when you say "The alleged origins of Astrology" that doesn't clarify your personal stance for me, and i'm curious of it. do you subscribe to that theory? do you believe in the nephilim?
People of BC interacted with and had communities of 30 people in their entire lifespans. No internet, no newspapers, no computer modules to build data, etc. and maybe 1 person in their village could even read and write (and with limited resources to even record on which was used for more tangible things). They were busy all the time until they died at their shorter life expectancy. While people are free to believe that the precision and depth of Astrology came about from people like this, who also had no idea how it even worked (because we STILL do not), and no ability to compile the massive, massive (and impractical) data needed across generations, to me it's as likely as a hurricane passing thru a junkyard and forming a 747.
I think if one has belief in Astrology, I do not think it's much of a leap to also believe where it also reportedly comes from. To deny the possibility of its nonhuman origin, yet believe in it when it cannot be explained or tested by man then or now, is a folly. So I say "alleged" because I have not yet (fully) embraced Astrology. But if I do, I will have no choice but to embrace its (most likely to me) origin too - aka the Watchers, Nephilim, etc.
That was stated incorrectly. Meant to say "To deny the -possibility- that it could have nonhuman origins...."
I've not made up my mind either. There's too many open-ended questions. That's what faith is for, but I want to only make the smallest of leaps with faith.
I've not made up my mind either. There's too many open-ended questions. That's what faith is for, but I want to only make the smallest of leaps with faith.
Posted by KeaghanDefine extra-terrestrial... please.Posted by HellDorado
the reason not many people here could answer the question is obviously because most do not know the answer. but not because there isn't one.
😉
Indeed, I want people to share their personal reasoning behind where they believe Astrology comes from and how they think it works. Thanks for the article, I'll read it over again.
Here is my perspective:
The alleged origins of Astrology can be found in the Book of Enoch. Baraqiel, a Fallen Angel, taught Astrology to mankind. He was one of the Watchers, and I subscribe to the theory that the Watchers were extraterrestrial in origin. It was intended to be a tool to understand personalities, compatibilities, forecast climates, evolution etc. So if it is a "language" then we have a Fallen Angel to give credit.
I want to know is how does this "language" work? How could Baraqiel and his kind have figured it out? I oft see people say things like "Sun in House X means XYZ" but they can't explain why or how the Sun in House X means XYZ.... Only that it does.... In other words, science and logic seemingly cannot be applied for the subject, only against it.
I don't say that to be disparaging. I am investigating it. Just because human science, in its limited scope, cannot prove something doesn't mean it's not a real phenomena (I've had paranormal encounters). But I am curious if anyone has come up with some theories, otherwise I have the thought that the science of the Watchers, from 2500 years~ ago, is more advanced than our own.
Akin to a primitive man being given a gun and told how to shoot it, but not knowing how it was constructed, and not knowing why it can fire a bullet. Only that it does.click to expand
there is no foundation, its all hearsay
Don't be fooled! Astrology - was invented by Satan - and that's why it works! After God... Satan is the second - most powerful being in this Universe. Also, in his mischievous ways - Satan crated NASA. You can deduct that easily from the name:
NASA = SA +T+ AN = SATAN! (he managed to elude the world by hiding T from the name)
Why did he created NASA? To conspire against God - to make his story less credible. AND HE SUCCEDED! He manage to convince us that the Earth is like a Blue marble that's spining around the Sun! Or that Humans - can go out-there in SPACE! Like saying that we landed on Moon and other crap like that. Pure nonsense! Humans can not go beyond a certain point - you have to be a spirit to be able to pass through there (it's what happens when you die... if you go to Heaven OFC). If you don't believe me - here's the proof:
Just check the details - just THINK for yourself (ignore all that NASA told you) - and you'll see that it's 100% accurate (measurable - in practice - not just nonsense theory - like NASA feeds us).
NASA = SA +T+ AN = SATAN! (he managed to elude the world by hiding T from the name)
Why did he created NASA? To conspire against God - to make his story less credible. AND HE SUCCEDED! He manage to convince us that the Earth is like a Blue marble that's spining around the Sun! Or that Humans - can go out-there in SPACE! Like saying that we landed on Moon and other crap like that. Pure nonsense! Humans can not go beyond a certain point - you have to be a spirit to be able to pass through there (it's what happens when you die... if you go to Heaven OFC). If you don't believe me - here's the proof:
Just check the details - just THINK for yourself (ignore all that NASA told you) - and you'll see that it's 100% accurate (measurable - in practice - not just nonsense theory - like NASA feeds us).
Posted by HellDoradoNot really. God made Earth and the heavens - but he didn't create a blue print for them. Satan did. It's like a program - crated by a programmer (God) and then - another programmer cracks it - and gives you some cheats which allow you to see through walls. Or let's say - this is a movie (crated by God) and Satan - knows the movie of your life - so it gives you access to some spoilers...
actually astrology was invented by god; it was brought to the masses by satan against the will of god.
sorta like how satan didn't invent the fruit in the garden of eden- god did- but satan is the one who fed it to all the creatures, starting with Eve.
Obviously that's not the natural way of doing fair... it's not fair... and that's Satan's doing.
@Montgomery, extraterrestrial as in not born or native of Earth. Something from another spatial dimension or world entirely.
@Helldorado, this hacking analogy is great. I'd really like to see the actual code and script, but do not think it's humanly possible if these beings are of another spatial dimension entirely.
It's like a 2D girl seeing a 3D guy enter her universe. He appears inside her home within enclosed walls, and then disappears into thin air by simple moving upwards. The 2D girl would see that this "alien" or "supernatural" person appeared and disappeared into thin air to her perspective, but could never understand why or be able to imagine where he went. This is because "up" and "down" doesn't exist to her. But as a 3D being he could communicate to the 2D girl what angles/turns she should take in life, because he has an omniscient view of her whole universe while she has a flat view. She could see that his system works, but never physically understand how he does it tho.
@Helldorado, this hacking analogy is great. I'd really like to see the actual code and script, but do not think it's humanly possible if these beings are of another spatial dimension entirely.
It's like a 2D girl seeing a 3D guy enter her universe. He appears inside her home within enclosed walls, and then disappears into thin air by simple moving upwards. The 2D girl would see that this "alien" or "supernatural" person appeared and disappeared into thin air to her perspective, but could never understand why or be able to imagine where he went. This is because "up" and "down" doesn't exist to her. But as a 3D being he could communicate to the 2D girl what angles/turns she should take in life, because he has an omniscient view of her whole universe while she has a flat view. She could see that his system works, but never physically understand how he does it tho.
I'm not sure you can understand this properly - without doing the actual work (the research - that can lead to this understanding). I mean, you don't seem to understand what it means to be human (them mental and emotional nature and how it's linked to the subconscious... the intuitive nature - the imagination and so on...) - what it means to exist - to be part of this universe (literately).
If you have a real interest (instead of wasting time), you could start with: "the Jungian archetypes"
It's a step by step process - which comes with its own rewards... You can't just simply - jump from 3rd grade to 11th grade - just because you can understand some of the words used. You still lack the necessary knowledge to grasp the actual context.
If you have a real interest (instead of wasting time), you could start with: "the Jungian archetypes"
It's a step by step process - which comes with its own rewards... You can't just simply - jump from 3rd grade to 11th grade - just because you can understand some of the words used. You still lack the necessary knowledge to grasp the actual context.
Too many people forgetting their meds these days ....smh...
Posted by HellDoradoI know and that's just it... the archetypes cover a major part of this mystery (astrology and how it came into being). If he wasn't interested in their study - then - it's kinda pointless (as if one would try to understand the composition of a substance - without learning Chemistry).Posted by neveswe already covered the jungian archetypes earlier in this thread tho lol.
I'm not sure you can understand this properly - without doing the actual work (the research - that can lead to this understanding). I mean, you don't seem to understand what it means to be human (them mental and emotional nature and how it's linked to the subconscious... the intuitive nature - the imagination and so on...) - what it means to exist - to be part of this universe (literately).
If you have a real interest (instead of wasting time), you could start with: "the Jungian archetypes"
It's a step by step process - which comes with its own rewards... You can't just simply - jump from 3rd grade to 11th grade - just because you can understand some of the words used. You still lack the necessary knowledge to grasp the actual context.
well.. veiled reference 😉click to expand
Posted by HellDoradoI don't know any Jack either (i'm not aware of anyone - with this name - around this parts). Nah. That video was interesting though... more fun than i would expect. 😛
@neves:
i'm truly curious, are you really a flat-earther?
i mean, i haven't decided if it's misinformation or not. i'm pretty sure it is. but then... i don't presume to know jack. if you are, what was it that convinced you?
Astronomy is actually - among the other sciences (like chemistry and mathematics) - that could explain Astrology (our existence - our connection with the universe). As Neil deGrasse Tyson phrased it:
Also, beyond science - "the Emerald Tablet of Hermes" - and its written content:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/alc/emerald.htm
...can be taken as a source of mystical knowledge - which seems to support the same universal concept.
@neves
The 12 Jungian Archetypes of human motivations, and 16 Myer-Briggs personality types (if you want to go there next), don't explain how the space-time a person was birthed can influence who they are or what their focuses should be. Astrology is not a post facto assessment. E.g. If person X is born on time Y and location Z in the near future, then they WILL be thus___..... So even if there were a limited set of human personality/motivational types, it doesn't explain why being born at a certain time and space over another gets to determine which traits will dominate your psyche.
Yes, we are all star matter (in regards to your Neil DeGrasse vid). I would even go further to say that space is only the illusion that there are separate objects. Information has the potential of traveling instantaneously thru quantum entanglement. This was outlined in the double-slit experiment and others.
How does that tie into Astrology, in your viewpoint? I can kind of guess where you're going.
The 12 Jungian Archetypes of human motivations, and 16 Myer-Briggs personality types (if you want to go there next), don't explain how the space-time a person was birthed can influence who they are or what their focuses should be. Astrology is not a post facto assessment. E.g. If person X is born on time Y and location Z in the near future, then they WILL be thus___..... So even if there were a limited set of human personality/motivational types, it doesn't explain why being born at a certain time and space over another gets to determine which traits will dominate your psyche.
Yes, we are all star matter (in regards to your Neil DeGrasse vid). I would even go further to say that space is only the illusion that there are separate objects. Information has the potential of traveling instantaneously thru quantum entanglement. This was outlined in the double-slit experiment and others.
How does that tie into Astrology, in your viewpoint? I can kind of guess where you're going.
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