Mercury aspecting Neptune = Liars?

Only the conjunction, square or opposite in the natal.

Terrible thing to say I know😛 but I am curious if there's any truth to it?

Moon/Mercury in the 12th might also have that affect actually =| but I'm not sure. Moon might just not LIKE reality. Thereby believe their own lies. Lady Gaga has Moon in the 12th and she once said:

"It is in the theory of perception that we have established our bond. Or, the lie, I should say, for which we kill. We are nothing without our image. Without our projection. Without the spiritual hologram of who we perceive ourselves to be, or rather to become, in the future."

Not necessarily. The 12th house is where we surrender, sacrifice ourselves, get victimized, it's the slavery for the collective. It can mean you become a victim of fraud, manipulation, lies.

^^ this, because in 12th we undo ourselves. We can lose our mental capacities if Mercury is present, or we can deceive others without wanting to. If Mercury is in aspect with Neptune we usually project an unrealistic image without particularly meaning to. People who have personal planets in tension with Neptune project a savior Jesus-like image to the others who feel extremely let down, betrayes, while the Neptune person wasn't even aware of such projections

Posted by Reconstructing_a_Leo
^^ this, because in 12th we undo ourselves. We can lose our mental capacities if Mercury is present, or we can deceive others without wanting to. If Mercury is in aspect with Neptune we usually project an unrealistic image without particularly meaning to. People who have personal planets in tension with Neptune project a savior Jesus-like image to the others who feel extremely let down, betrayes, while the Neptune person wasn't even aware of such projections

Yikes! Do you think they mean well when they do it? Like, to them it's not a lie. Like in their fantasy it's true, so to them it's not a lie? That's very complex and confusing.

Posted by bluemoon9043834
Yes. The hard aspects between Neptune/Mercury (not necessarily the conjunct, but the opposition and square) is an aspect that you see with intellectual dishonesty, embellishment of facts, and general lying. Neptune is a planet tied with disillusionment... self-deception and deception of others. Make up stories and misinterpreting things. Embellishment.

The harmonious aspect (trine, sextile) of Neptune/Mercury is highly intuitive. Can sense what people feel without them saying a word, has a real good read and feel on people (can see between the lines and can see the hidden). Softens the voice and there can be a spiritual communication. Ethereal mind and imagination, images.

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Aww I have the sextile with Neptune, that's pretty true. Hmmm it's interesting how planets manifest themselves when Neptune touches them. Does it not apply with the conj? Cause I "know" someone with the conjunction who is a pathological liar. To the point where it's shameless, and it's always to make themselves look good. Like if they failed a test, and someone scored the highest in the exam, they'll say that person actually failed, and instead THEY scored the highest!! They take it and flip it around. It's just scandalous to witness in class lol. I'm not gonna rant about them, but they'e so annoying.

Posted by bluemoon9043834
@icerobot: 🙂

I have the trine. 🙂

Interesting that you bring that up about that person. The conjunct is a softer aspect than the square and opposition. The conjunct has more of the creative and artistic bent. If you see lying come from this aspect, it is done unconsciously, so take that into consideration. You see it done more on the conscious level with the opposition and square, no doubt. Hope this helps. 🙂

Yes thank you Bluemoon, that does help😄 Interesting that they don't realise they're doing it!! Shocking that they're unconscious of it, but it makes a lot of sense. They speak with real conviction when they lie, you start to believe them. And yes, very VERY creative.

There are plenty of manifestations of Neptune/Mercury: first coming to mind is the psychic power; intuitive forces that make the individual learn through vibes sent from the unknown rather than facts and cold data.
To answer your question, at some point they do realize they have this trait; some exploit it for the wrong reasons, however these things happen at an instinctual undeveloped level.
Sometimes the person has an interest in astrology 🙂
Many manifestations 🙂 About the negative ones .. remember that every energy we send in the universe comes back to us somehow, sometime. Too much Neptune is not good in a chart, since the energies can turn within into mental ilness. ( Signs a mental illness - Gibson)

it's true. i have the mercury square neptune thing in my chart and i'm so ashamed to admit this but i often catch myself telling little white lies to people in order to avoid hurting them. i tell them what they want to hear. the words just seem to roll off my tongue without any hesitation. it scares me.

and then i deceive myself into thinking that i am doing these people a favor by lying to them and protecting them from getting hurt.
people in my life think i'm a good person but they don't know.

Posted by Reconstructing_a_Leo
There are plenty of manifestations of Neptune/Mercury: first coming to mind is the psychic power; intuitive forces that make the individual learn through vibes sent from the unknown rather than facts and cold data.
To answer your question, at some point they do realize they have this trait; some exploit it for the wrong reasons, however these things happen at an instinctual undeveloped level.
Sometimes the person has an interest in astrology 🙂
Many manifestations 🙂 About the negative ones .. remember that every energy we send in the universe comes back to us somehow, sometime. Too much Neptune is not good in a chart, since the energies can turn within into mental ilness. ( Signs a mental illness - Gibson)

It probably makes for great artists, writers etc. And for the more evolved ones maybe even healers. Mental illness part is interesting. Like they get *too* involved with the non-tangible psychic world, until they lose touch with the tangible. And they can't differentiate between what's real or not. So lies aren't really lies! That's scary! Obviously that's the extreme - but I find it so fascinating to be stuck in that kind of mindset hmmm

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Posted by Reconstructing_a_Leo
There are plenty of manifestations of Neptune/Mercury: first coming to mind is the psychic power; intuitive forces that make the individual learn through vibes sent from the unknown rather than facts and cold data.
To answer your question, at some point they do realize they have this trait; some exploit it for the wrong reasons, however these things happen at an instinctual undeveloped level.
Sometimes the person has an interest in astrology 🙂
Many manifestations 🙂 About the negative ones .. remember that every energy we send in the universe comes back to us somehow, sometime. Too much Neptune is not good in a chart, since the energies can turn within into mental ilness. ( Signs a mental illness - Gibson)

It probably makes for great artists, writers etc. And for the more evolved ones maybe even healers. Mental illness part is interesting. Like they get *too* involved with the non-tangible psychic world, until they lose touch with the tangible. And they can't differentiate between what's real or not. So lies aren't really lies! That's scary! Obviously that's the extreme - but I find it so fascinating to be stuck in that kind of mindset hmmm

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I tried to quote and hid it instead. I need sleep😛

I wanted to add, this sounds like something I read about strong 12th house in a chart. About how yes it can be really bad, with the self-deception, self-sabotage, addictions etc. BUT you can use it to better yourself by helping others through healing - apparently some healers(psychiatrist, doctors, nurses) have strong 12th house planets as they've taken the high road to help others. Not sure how it would work with Mercury, maybe through writing.

s high from lack of sleep last night xD

Posted by PurrrrHissss
Hah, my dad has Mercury conjunct Neptune, and he lies like hell. Especially about weird shit that no one cares about. It's very odd.

lol right?? There's no logic with the conjunction!! I can't be dealing with them!!

Posted by Jesse91
it's true. i have the mercury square neptune thing in my chart and i'm so ashamed to admit this but i often catch myself telling little white lies to people in order to avoid hurting them. i tell them what they want to hear. the words just seem to roll off my tongue without any hesitation. it scares me.

and then i deceive myself into thinking that i am doing these people a favor by lying to them and protecting them from getting hurt.
people in my life think i'm a good person but they don't know.

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I don't think it makes you a bad person to try and protect their feelings. I do that too sometimes when my friends wear terrible outfits and I don't have the heart to tell them lol — I do advise them to try something else though. I think it's a Pisces thing not want to hurt someone, it's hard to break someone's spirit but it's gotta be done!! At least there's no malicious intention. Do you feel you have no control over it?
Your Mercury is probably Aries since it squares, goes to show how influential aspects are cause I wouldn't think an Aries Merc would hold back lol

i don't want to say that i have no control over it because i don't want to justify my lying like that but when it happens, it's almost automatic. i don't really think deeply about what i'm saying when i'm saying it. i can make up stories on the spot. i guess i sound pretty convincing to the listeners since they rarely question anything i tell them. i don't have malicious intentions and i don't lead a double life or anything through the lies either. it's just that most of the time i instinctively know what people want to hear and i just tell them without any hesitation.
it's not a good habit at all.

Posted by Jesse91
it's just that most of the time i instinctively know what people want to hear and i just tell them without any hesitation.

Those are the scariest type of people.....lol jk jk
But their words are thoughts are usually very inconsistent with one another so you never know what's really going on inside these people.

oops

*words AND thoughts.

I have mercury opposition neptune........i'm not seeing it....i'm certainly not saying that i am perfect, but i am no liar, and i don't tend to embellish either. People pretty much get it straight from me, and i expect the same from others.

Posted by Jesse91
i don't want to say that i have no control over it because i don't want to justify my lying like that but when it happens, it's almost automatic. i don't really think deeply about what i'm saying when i'm saying it. i can make up stories on the spot. i guess i sound pretty convincing to the listeners since they rarely question anything i tell them. i don't have malicious intentions and i don't lead a double life or anything through the lies either. it's just that most of the time i instinctively know what people want to hear and i just tell them without any hesitation.
it's not a good habit at all.

Pretty admirable to acknowledge/admit that. How often do you do it? Is there any reason/logic behind it? Do you ever forget/trip up? Sorry! I'm just curious. Sounds like you'd make a good writer of some sort.

Posted by taurusgeminicusp
I have mercury opposition neptune........i'm not seeing it....i'm certainly not saying that i am perfect, but i am no liar, and i don't tend to embellish either. People pretty much get it straight from me, and i expect the same from others.

That's good. Do you write? How do you channel that Neptune-Mercury energy then? I have the sextile and I write a lotttt.

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Posted by taurusgeminicusp
I have mercury opposition neptune........i'm not seeing it....i'm certainly not saying that i am perfect, but i am no liar, and i don't tend to embellish either. People pretty much get it straight from me, and i expect the same from others.

That's interesting. 🙂 What sign is your Mercury in? What house is it in? And what other aspects does it make?

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i have my mercury in taurus in the 4th house. i have sun conjunct mercury, mercury conjunct mars, mercury trine uranus, mercury opposition neptune,mercury trine pluto,mercury opposition midheaven............what do you make of this?

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Posted by taurusgeminicusp
I have mercury opposition neptune........i'm not seeing it....i'm certainly not saying that i am perfect, but i am no liar, and i don't tend to embellish either. People pretty much get it straight from me, and i expect the same from others.

That's good. Do you write? How do you channel that Neptune-Mercury energy then? I have the sextile and I write a lotttt.

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I do enjoy writing😉 i am actually born on the cusp of energy being a taurgem, and i have a gem moon, so i have always had to work at harnessing nervous energy.......i never realized the neptune- mercury had anything to do with it. I am learning so much since joining this forum!

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Posted by taurusgeminicusp
I have mercury opposition neptune........i'm not seeing it....i'm certainly not saying that i am perfect, but i am no liar, and i don't tend to embellish either. People pretty much get it straight from me, and i expect the same from others.

That's interesting. 🙂 What sign is your Mercury in? What house is it in? And what other aspects does it make?

i have my mercury in taurus in the 4th house. i have sun conjunct mercury, mercury conjunct mars, mercury trine uranus, mercury opposition neptune,mercury trine pluto,mercury opposition midheaven............what do you make of this?

It's possible that your harmonious aspects with your Mercury offset it.

You have quite the trines there. Mercury trine Uranus... genius. Original thinker. Mercury trine Pluto... able to tap into the mysteries of life. Able to read between the lines and see the hidden with that as well. Strong perception. Your trines are embedded into your personality and more than likely offset the Mercury/Neptune aspect. I like your Mercury trines... 🙂 You have a genius mind.

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Oh Bluemoon, thank you so much for taking the time to post this information and for the wonderful comment😉 You just made my day! I am able to read people very well, have always been extremely perceptive....and can normally anticipate other people's actions. LOL, some people think i can read their minds😉

One of my good friends has the mercury-neptune square. She's not a liar but she does like to exaggerate a lot when she's telling stories.

She has to make everything sound dramatic or there's no point lol She wants to entertain/amuse people and make them think that she's really interesting (which she is) but I sometimes feel like she tries a little too hard to impress them. I think she just wants to be accpeted though.

She also has a problem with facing reality. When things get tough, she likes to escape to her dream world and pretend that her problems aren't there.

I don't think these people mean any harm though. My friend is always so considerate of other people and she's never malicious.

Posted by ellybd
Scary stuff! I thought of all the people as known liars and flipped through my database on my astro.com account, and the three that came up are A)Old Cappy friend's current bf, mercury square Neptune and B)ex-cancer, opposition and C)Close Pisces friend, square.

Cappy's bf and pisces share a certain flair for words. They can out maneuver anyone words wise, Pisces more so than cappy's libra. But after a certain point it feels flippant and weak, contradictory. Neither can ever let a conversation die either, they just keep it and everyone running around in circles.

Ex was straight up freaky. He'd say shit all the time, weird ass stuff. Than completely deny it. He had me thinking I was actually crazy and imagining stuff, till he started doing it in front of others too, when he started unraveling. I think he honest to goodness believed that his lies were true. He also has one of the weirdest charts I've ever seen. All his soft aspects are in houses 1-7, and all his hard aspects are in houses 7-12. I always wondered if that was at all significant, it's a truly strange looking chart. All blue on the bottom all red on top. 😕 Then again that might be subject to change, I must have put his birthday in a while ago so I've no idea is the ascendant is correct lol.

The above square/oppositions people though, blech. Hate, hate, HATED having to have any sort of emotional/social/relational convo with them. Everything felt like war, either I was 100 with them or I was trying to be an enemy and hurt and scar them on purpose for some sort of amusement on my part. So tiring. Even Cappy's Libra who I never had more than about 8 convos with was like that.

YES! It's pretty scary stuff. The hardest part to grasp is that they BELIEVE their own lies. I mean why do they do that? That's like messing with reality lol.

Posted by GreekBarbie
One of my good friends has the mercury-neptune square. She's not a liar but she does like to exaggerate a lot when she's telling stories.

She has to make everything sound dramatic or there's no point lol She wants to entertain/amuse people and make them think that she's really interesting (which she is) but I sometimes feel like she tries a little too hard to impress them. I think she just wants to be accpeted though.

She also has a problem with facing reality. When things get tough, she likes to escape to her dream world and pretend that her problems aren't there.

I don't think these people mean any harm though. My friend is always so considerate of other people and she's never malicious.

Aww that's sad😢 She probably has insecurity issues, so she might feel they wont like her otherwise. While Neptune is deceptive, it's not in its nature to do it out of malice. It depends on them as a person and their upbringing. The rest of the chart too! Still a bad habit though!

lmao@ tricky gas giant. I hate to say it, but when you start actually believing your own lies, you're asking for trouble. That's like ASKING to go insane. Did the Cancer seem a bit off to you?

Thank you BM!!😄🙂

Ughhhh guys like that make me rage!!! Never fall for a "poor me" story, those people are usually the most manipulative, selfish, soulless men in society. I only know this cause my Cap friend is a "poor me" guy magnet, poor thing lol.

Sorry you had to go through that😢 guys like that SUCK. I wouldn't be surprised if he drove himself insane.

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Posted by Jesse91
i don't want to say that i have no control over it because i don't want to justify my lying like that but when it happens, it's almost automatic. i don't really think deeply about what i'm saying when i'm saying it. i can make up stories on the spot. i guess i sound pretty convincing to the listeners since they rarely question anything i tell them. i don't have malicious intentions and i don't lead a double life or anything through the lies either. it's just that most of the time i instinctively know what people want to hear and i just tell them without any hesitation.
it's not a good habit at all.

Pretty admirable to acknowledge/admit that. How often do you do it? Is there any reason/logic behind it? Do you ever forget/trip up? Sorry! I'm just curious. Sounds like you'd make a good writer of some sort.

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i do it whenever i feel there's a need.
usually to maintain peace and fulfill expectaions. do i ever forget the previous lies i've told? never. you need to have a good memory in order to be a good liar. there's no point in lying if you can't remember your lies.
and you also shouldn't tell lies that are beyond your ability. a lot of bad liars lie about stuff they know very little or nothing about. lying effectively requires preparation work and consistency.
otherwise you won't sound legit and you're just gonna get caught.

Jesse, you sound like you have a fear of disappointing people. Did you have a strict upbrining by any chance? Were there a lot of conditions placed on the love you received?
You avoid letting people down in the first place by telling them what they want to hear. What are you really afraid of? Disapproval? Drama? You're afraid of something.
Sorry I don't mean to be intrusive. I'm just curious.

lol i have mental problems.
it's nothing i can't overcome 🙂

.....Alright then.

lol

Posted by Jesse91
i do it whenever i feel there's a need.
usually to maintain peace and fulfill expectaions. do i ever forget the previous lies i've told? never. you need to have a good memory in order to be a good liar. there's no point in lying if you can't remember your lies.
and you also shouldn't tell lies that are beyond your ability. a lot of bad liars lie about stuff they know very little or nothing about. lying effectively requires preparation work and consistency.
otherwise you won't sound legit and you're just gonna get caught.

Oh damn! That's kinda impressive lol...very bad! But impressive😛

I found some interesting information regarding the square.

"With this aspect , the individual can be a great story teller, they are very imaginary and visionary , they seem to possess dramatic , artistic abilities. This aspect also indicates a possibility of an attraction to spiritual activites .An ability of reading people is also suggested. This aspect also suggests a tendency to run away from real problem by creating a solution or a different scenario in the mind to hide in and to feel comfortable within. Concentration is not really a strong point for these individuals."

"The problem with this aspet is that the person is unable to view life realistically and by supposedly logical arguments can convince himself that an unbearable reality doesn't exist.
The resulting distortion complicates matters so that the truth is completely hidden. He is an escapist, a problem partly caused by his early personal conditioning. Until this person faces up to the harsh realities of the outside world, little progress will be made. "

I kinda feel bad for these people now 😢
It appears to be a very vulnerable placement. This totally explains my friend's behavior. She's a real softie but that girl cannot deal with reality to save her life.
I swear these people are going to eventually get tired of running away so much.

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Posted by Jesse91
i don't want to say that i have no control over it because i don't want to justify my lying like that but when it happens, it's almost automatic. i don't really think deeply about what i'm saying when i'm saying it. i can make up stories on the spot. i guess i sound pretty convincing to the listeners since they rarely question anything i tell them. i don't have malicious intentions and i don't lead a double life or anything through the lies either. it's just that most of the time i instinctively know what people want to hear and i just tell them without any hesitation.
it's not a good habit at all.

Pretty admirable to acknowledge/admit that. How often do you do it? Is there any reason/logic behind it? Do you ever forget/trip up? Sorry! I'm just curious. Sounds like you'd make a good writer of some sort.

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I know person who has scorpio Mercury (conj Pluto) trine (0A) Neptune Capricorn (1st House) and he is an instant liar and is telling people what they want to hear is pure lie if You're appointing to something.
Never ever borrow that person anything because You could have troubles with getting it back.
I think that Mercury trine Neptune can made stories on the spot and sometimes they don't know if they already said something before. It's pretty obwious that after some time they can mislay the truth and if You know they lies simply told them to stop, because it's intentional. Even further they will try tricks on You.

I think that type of aspects isn't that straight, but even with conjunction beetwen Mercury and Neptune that people if they be of low vibration they can abuse and bend over they talent to betraying others and the most important oneself.

Cheers

I have Mercury opposite Neptune. I am not someone that would be known for lying. I am actually the opposite, I feel there are times that I will hear someone lying to me and I want to believe it so bad b/c I can't imagine myself making up such a lie.

However, my dreams, and intuition always tell me if something is off. I struggle to sometimes listen to myself.

I, also, have Mercury trine Pluto..