How can you tell if a Cancer male is lying to you?

How can you tell if a Cancer male is lying? If they're so set on trust, would that mean that they dont usually lie?

ALL MEN LIE!
ALL WOMEN LIE!

It's just a fact of life. What specifically do you think he is lying about? Can you read body language as far as is he fidgeting alot, looking in other directions and not in your eyes directly? Things like that can tell you, but keep in mind some people are very good liars.

CL/Cm2

Cafrella, as C-lady says, how can you tell if anyone is lying? You have to follow some instincts and good judgment. If you can't find yourself believing this person- you're having an issue trusting them-- then there's no sense of "knowing" or not "knowing".

Also.. people are people. There are some people out there who are BIG on trust, and will lie through their teeth- it's definitely NOT a Cancer thing.

Go with your gut. If you can't trust this person, then you don't have a relationship.

I'm a very good liar, it's useful for getting rid of assholes and getting out of sticky situations. I don't think a cancer would lie to someone he values, though.

Not markers, a $ $ holes. Tabarnak de site de c?lisse de con.

Hmmm...Usually Cancer men dont lie. I have never met one who is a liar, theyre really big on values.

Girl Cancers are different (no offense CL! just generalizing) they can be a bit manipulative to get what they want but maybe its a more indirect approach--just doesnt sit well with me!

Well, it's like playing chess. Every figure has particular way of behaving. It can't be changed. When you deal with people, you just use askign-reassurance method to define "figures" and make your finaly judgement.

Now, there are billion of moves in the chess and probably more in the real life. Which one you want to know? You have to be more specific about your question. Your question is too wide. Make it narrower.

Crab23:

When you with true friends, you don't have to lie.

"Haffo you ok sometimes:-)"

I take this as compliment. Thank you.

The interesting part about true freinds is that most of the people could be true friends.

Intentions.

Some people mature about their behaviours somes are not. If you judge by people behaviours only, you won't find true any friends.

I see intentions as real truth about person. If I know that his/her intentions are good towards me, then I will freely point out their mistake about me when they talk behind me. If I see that their behaviours change and they try to stop doing that, then I consider these people as true friends.

I think my way has big price.

People do become confused when I ask questions about their intentions (or when I try to asses them without asking direct questions, sometimes direct questions are impossible). Maybe this is just a cultural difference.

Probably some people don't know how they feel, you know? They even may say different things rather than what they really feel. You also may find that as a sign of unreliability but the truth is different.

Actually finding the truth is very very difficult. You have to asses person in such special situation (which is extremly difficult to find, heh this where creativity enters btw) that you can be % 100 sure. You have to limit that special situation from everything else without making any mistake about it and find the truth. This is very difficult.

However, I think knowing what you really want could help with situation. If you can find specific sides that appeal to you with that person, then you may rely on them and "somehow" if "possible

"forget" other bad sides.

This is my biggest challange, and I am gonna solve it for myself.

16th March.

Yes very good discussion. I wish people were aimed their minds to such things, but alas diffferent wavelenghts.

It's 02:08 am here. I'm going to sleep. Good night (or whatever time of the day you have there).

See you tomorrow.

Crab23:

I was thinking about this conversation during the day an have come to conclusion that this issue is loyality related. People behaviours are nothing when you sure that they loyal to you.

Sometimes I find thing such aloofness and instability in behaviours as a biggest sign of unloyality.

I am very happy of finally realising what some motives in my mind about people are and the biggest plus is naming it. The lesson of the day: Loyality.

Yup. Couldn't put it better than you did.

Well the first time when I came here was solely because of astrology. I was interested in knowing more about my zodiacal sign. Then I found that this place is used not just for astrology, but also for relationship problems related with it. I become more interested since I wondered how it could work in reality with people. Then I found more things about this stuff, such as strong and weak sides of particular sign psyche. I started to learn about my own weaknesses and compare to my sign which was and still very interesting. This is where I stand right now. Who knows what will happen tomorrow.

Haffo.What if you are both aloft and indecisive but are still loyal and stick to your true self,again I don't think that's a must to prove anything in terms of relationships.It's just part of a personality,the way they express themselves it doesn't mean they don't care and actually aloft people are alot of the time more loyal than open,constantly expressive people because it's usually more concentrated on the people they are letting in even to that small extent.And then other times the instability I agree with you though but like what you did not to long ago you were thinking about your answers so you took awhile to answer you may want to consider that too when it comes to other people.Try to understand why they do it or put yoursellf in thier shoes sometimes to out that before you think they aren't being loyal to you,you may be not giving people who could be very good for you a real chance to prove themselves by what your mind makes up.

Tiamat

"What if you are both aloft and indecisive but are still loyal and stick to your true self,again I don't think that's a must to prove anything in terms of relationships."

Aloof means "I do not trust you". In the term of relationship, how can you trust a person who do not trust you? If person doesn't trust you then I can't speak about loyality here. Also if person speaks more than needed this is biggest sign of "trust" you know? The basis of loyality is trust Tiamat. No trust no loyality.

"aloft people are alot of the time more loyal than open"

I can't say like that. Aloof people are full of secrets. You can't know what on their mind. They might trust you and might not. You can't know because they don't let you know. These people are difficult people to deal with. However, expressive people are easy people. They tell you what on their mind. You can easily know whereither they trust you or not. If an expressive person trusts you, you will know that fast. The difference here between aloof person and expressive one is that you gain more time and don't waste efforts which is also my choise in that case.

"And then other times the instability I agree with you though but like what you did not to long ago you were thinking about your answers so you took awhile to answer you may want to consider that too when it comes to other people."

Well. This is not as simple as you know Tiamat. :;

"Try to understand why they do it or put yoursellf in thier shoes sometimes to out that before you think they aren't being loyal to you,you may be not giving people who could be very good for you a real chance to prove themselves by what your mind makes up."

I can't put myself in their shoes because I don't know how their shoes look like (they do not tell about it remember?).

It can mean that but it can also mean I need time to think about,Im not a talkitive person,im listening contently and don't want to disturb the flow because something small but still vital may be missed,I don't have much to say at the moment,etc.etc.it's only one way to look at it.

Yeah,it may be difficult to deal with if you don't give them the benifit of the doubt and find out with patience and time without accusing them of something negative that may not be true.Some people aren't going to defend themselves and will walk away when they shouldn't have to defend themselves against possibly untrue things.Easy,expressive people may be doing that to get on your good side TO take advantage of you.

Sometimes you just have to just let the reins go and give into faith and sit back and see what happens naturally with some people.You don't HAVE to give up much physically to be possibly taken advantage of.Hard to "pin" people are sometimes there because they want to be not because they don't care about you and are looking for something to get out of it,ya know,being carefree so if you don't get what you want right away you will have no problem moving on from it.As far as the shoe thing goes,thats also why you can't decide what it is because you don't know whats really going on and just falls into a suspicious judgement or guess that may not be true.

Im not targeting you for anything just giving different perspectives because you seem to want answers regarding this issue which am trying to do.

Tiamat

"It can mean that but it can also mean I need time to think about,Im not a talkitive person,im listening contently and don't want to disturb the flow because something small but still vital may be missed,I don't have much to say at the moment,etc.etc.it's only one way to look at it."

I think it's still same. I need time means: "I have something on my mind and I do not want to share it with you, I want to figure it out myself"...which is also means that you do not trust. Whatever problem may arise it could be solved together. When one side wants to figure it out by itself, then this means that this side doesnt trust the other side.

What is the flow after all? Everything that in your mind creates the flow. If you act according to outside flow state, then you simply deceive yourself. Because this is not your way...

"Some people aren't going to defend themselves and will walk away when they shouldn't have to defend themselves against possibly untrue things.Easy,expressive people may be doing that to get on your good side TO take advantage of you."

I think it goes same for aloof people too. In my opiniont, you can't say that aloof people are more trustworthy than expressive people. I think if person has something else on it's mind (tries to take advantage of you) be it aloof or expressive, doesn't matter. Both those groups can be equally powerful to deceive people. However, dealing with liars is different topic and it has it's own methods. What we speak here is good sides of it.

"Sometimes you just have to just let the reins go and give into faith and sit back and see what happens naturally with some people.You don't HAVE to give up much physically to be possibly taken advantage of.Hard to "pin" people are sometimes there because they want to be not because they don't care about you and are looking for something to get out of it,ya know,being carefree so if you don't get what you want right away you will have no problem moving on from it.As far as the shoe thing goes,thats also why you can't decide what it is because you don't know whats really going on and just falls into a suspicious judgement or guess that may not be true."

You know, personally I think being placed into situation where a you start to speculate about his/her behaviours is as lame as treating you bad. I am not with people to deal with their enigmatic side. You either with me or not with me. I don't like when my patience is being tested, especially when the outcome turns bad.

"Im not targeting you for anything just giving different perspectives because you seem to want answers regarding this issue which am trying to do."

I didn't take it like that either. What we do here is discussion.

OTS:

Be it expressive or not it's all same. Because the basic of those two methods is giving false information, which brings to same result.

"You know, personally I think being placed into situation where a you start to speculate about his/her behaviours is as lame as treating you bad."

Yup. It's called liars. And lying is treating people bad.

I think it's very logical to say that directly telling a lie and telling something in half (being aloof) is same as lieing in all meanings.

About the solving problems together thing,what if it's a female and it's menstral cycle related—?*kidding*,it's not always that easy somtimes it is just thier problem to figure out.Ya know maybe it's a personal college decision and they don't even have the words to put it in yet.Kinda like your intuition topic you don't know how to word it you just feel it,I have been aloft due to that,I feel it but open mouth and nothing comes out because you don't know the words yet until you figure it out.It's kinda like a matter of handling certain things which leaves you speechless until you catch the words to go with it.

I know Tiamat. I know it and I am working on it.

However, even thought I have problems in expressing myself "clearly" I still do it but it sounds gebberish for people. So, I don't think that I am that far from finish line. At least I show "intention" while others just sit quietly. This is the difference from what you said to what I say.

Also I think people could be helpful in these matters ya know? If they try to understand fully what I want to say and ask questions (which naturally needed to understand fully) it will help me to shape words better.

I also think that not only me but most of people here have same problems (more or less). I think it will be in mutual benefit for everyone to practise same thing that I've mentioned above for everyone.

I can't be fair to myself if I wont give a chance to myself.

I don't like to do it because of pride and looking stupid related issues and don't want to come off as irrational basically,sitting there looking like a fish out of water with the mouth movements with no words,gibberesh,maybe a grr when getting frustrated trying to and stomp of the foot or something.I'd prefer to stay silent until I can have a more dignified,logical and rational way to say it.It's rare for people who will take the attempt at it as something positive so that can play a role in it too-insecurities about what people think and would judge negatively when it wasn't intended that way.Alot of people don't care what your intentions are and just take things the way they want to rather than being more broad and open minded about it.Surface stuff is what they take and go with pretty much.I choose to do it that way so the actual and whole truth from my side of it is completely out when it does come.

That's the reality of life. If people were more broad minded than trying to please their peers there would be no Hitlers, no Stalins and similairs like that. Actually this is good way of diving those people from others.

Most people suck Tiamat. That's it.

Ok, what's wrong with Hitler and Stalin—

lol mr.crabby.Haffo im really compassionate so I don't like it sometimes but it's still a part of my nature so im stuck with that one,I can't help it.Thusfar I still have the energy and patience to put out the extra effort into people,but when you get to the deep down core of it,I don't care what people think of me but it's my compassionate side that makes me want to work a little harder for people.I've found mixing it together is the best way to give myself peace of mind.The compassion part causes the social mask that I put up but when you get down to it,I will not picks sides,will disappoint people and do my own thing depending on the situation.I have some deeper morals or reasons for not wanting to do certain things that im not willing to disguard for popularity.Depends on the circumstances.

I don't have a problem with either of them, honestly. Oh well.

Tiamat

I always choise to seek truth above everything else.

Only Truth can change or lives. Only truth can change others' lives. Whoever stands against the truth is invincible to me on my way of moving.

*can change our lives.

Hey Crab23

LOL

That's why im willing to put in the extra effort into people is because of knowing the truth rather than my personal suspecions.Getting mad,making a suspecious judgement and dropping people because they don't act the way I think they should isn't my version of finding out the truth.I'd like to know the truth is the cause of the reason I am social and open minded towards people even if they aren't towards me.Sometimes it's usually just a innocent version of ignorance or inconsideration that causes that in people.

Crab,noones judging you,your right it's only up to god(if you choose to believe in one) to judge,I doubt i've meet you and even when I do know people I don't judge them and am willing to detach from my personal feelings to give them a chance to prove themselves.My experiance has been the people who come up to me and play expressive has been the ones who have a advantage taking reason for it,understand what im getting at,it's usually a front to get on my good side for something they see in me that they want for themselves but I usually find out before that happens because I am detached to an extent.Im probably one of the most forgiving and nonjudgemental people to exist and it doesn't have to have a personal experiance reason to not judge them.

No I figured you may have been offended by the conversation so don't worry about it.I understand what your saying in terms of love but im leaning more towards a everyday people to people relationships that aren't always that clear cut depending on the people involved and how they express themselves,im willing to detach personal feelings about them to allow myself to be optimistic to find out the truth about them.Im still willing to be open to expressive people unless I find out they are backstabbing,lying or using me.Basically I work with what im given and have no problem doing just that if it's very little,kinda like a mirror or a switch that I can turn on or off at will.It's weird sometimes like a kid could get hurt in front of me but instead of feeling it and panicing,my first instinct is to turn emotions off and help first and feel it later.Thats one of the reasons I don't find that ability as a bad thing is when it comes to situations similar to that.It can be helpful in it own right as well as expressing everything so there is no better or worse way of doing things is the thing,theres other avenues to pick basically and doesn't have to be as black and white or what it seems to be on the surface.All depends on the situation to choose what to do.

All I gots to suggest about the husband situation is to maybe take up a part time job and keep that extra cash aside to get out of the situation soon,following that whole situation in your posts is a yeah,you shouldn't have to stay there when he's screwing around on you and obviously isn't giving you what you want or deserve out of it.Leaving and being happy is the biggest,really mean payback for some people.Sometimes you can hurt yourself trying to be vindictive and trying to hurt people in thier ways of doing it,it's basically the biggest fcuk you for people for wants to hurt you if you just get out and be happy.LOL,yeah,I guess revenge is a good topic for scorpios,lol.

Yeah,sure try it on the taurus and scorpio boards,patrons kinda evil so he may give you good help for the scorp board as well as kennyg and taurusgoddess is good for it on the taurus board.Haffos kinda evil when he wants to be too.

If they can't stop twitching when they're talking to you.

If thier still twitching,they aien't dead yet so you gotta shoot em again.😛Are you talking about geminis by any chance kupo?All but two are liers and like to take advantage of people.Im just discussing it on the count of aquarians and libras because they usually do mean well but just have problems expressing it emotionally.And like myself can be aloft due to certain circumstances that isn't always negatively related issues.

Hmm, I haven't met one gemini who isn't a cheater. Is it just me? I mean they make great friends b.c they're so social and outgoing, but they are so capricious and get bored easily.