
MondayMorning
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Posted by MondayMorningIt's hard for us to like people. When we find someone we actually think may be worth our time we get excited & over do it. Then we realize how we're acting and chill some so that we don't smother the flames. Also we start getting to a point where we can actually be hurt by you so we get scared & begin the dance. (Push/pull)
Thanks so much for that, he is worth some patience.
My one confusion is why he was so different for the first 4 - 5 weeks. Calling me every day without fail, apologising if he didn't, texting me every single day, sometimes 100 texts, asking me to meet his family, asking me to book a vacation with him, talking about how I was marriage material and all of that.
I think what confused me was that he was sooooo fast /infatuated at first and then pulled back. For me, 20 years of experience told me this was bad news and meant he did not like me anymore.
He says the opposite is true, that he knows what I want and should have is the FULL relationship with a view to kids / marriage etc. and that he is sure he wants this too from me so I kind of wonder why he drags his feet and goes quite like he does.
I hope it isn't a case of now he knows he has me he thinks he can do whatever he likes.





Posted by Arielle83As a Cancer male, I must ask, are you a troll?
All you need to know is it takes cancer forever to fall in love.
You're all confusing the infatuation early state with love.
Infatuation is lust and excitement, it isn't love. Women want it to be love because romance is a construct to seduce women.
For men infatuation is admiration and desire. It isn't love. This is why you need to hold your reins and not fall into it.

Posted by mattsmumThis.
I have the same experience as you. 3 1/2 years of pulling away, coming back like nothing has happened. Surprised to say you're hurt, confused, rejected and uncared for by his actions, would pull away if you tell him this. It's been constant and I tell myself I've been patient long enough, Feel unloved long enough. Now I am resentful. I used to be loving, attentive, giving, patient with this guy now I feel nothing but hurt, resentment and confusion . I wish he'd change, grow up, be mature and communicate properly. But seems like all Cancer men are like that after reading all the thread here. It's like we are all dating one Cancer guy based on our experiences. Today, I finally ended it. And still it's my fault according to him. But he said he cares for me. More confusion on my part. I think they don't see the efforts we put in the relationship. All they see is themselves and how hurt they are. They only focus on their feelings. But guess what, we have feelings too and we get hurt by their actions. They should man up if they want love and care from us.
Good luck to me and my single life.

Posted by boxcarmirntaI love how everyone is an expert.Posted by mattsmumThis.
I have the same experience as you. 3 1/2 years of pulling away, coming back like nothing has happened. Surprised to say you're hurt, confused, rejected and uncared for by his actions, would pull away if you tell him this. It's been constant and I tell myself I've been patient long enough, Feel unloved long enough. Now I am resentful. I used to be loving, attentive, giving, patient with this guy now I feel nothing but hurt, resentment and confusion . I wish he'd change, grow up, be mature and communicate properly. But seems like all Cancer men are like that after reading all the thread here. It's like we are all dating one Cancer guy based on our experiences. Today, I finally ended it. And still it's my fault according to him. But he said he cares for me. More confusion on my part. I think they don't see the efforts we put in the relationship. All they see is themselves and how hurt they are. They only focus on their feelings. But guess what, we have feelings too and we get hurt by their actions. They should man up if they want love and care from us.
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Posted by Shaun1994Posted by boxcarmirntaI love how everyone is an expert.Posted by mattsmumThis.
I have the same experience as you. 3 1/2 years of pulling away, coming back like nothing has happened. Surprised to say you're hurt, confused, rejected and uncared for by his actions, would pull away if you tell him this. It's been constant and I tell myself I've been patient long enough, Feel unloved long enough. Now I am resentful. I used to be loving, attentive, giving, patient with this guy now I feel nothing but hurt, resentment and confusion . I wish he'd change, grow up, be mature and communicate properly. But seems like all Cancer men are like that after reading all the thread here. It's like we are all dating one Cancer guy based on our experiences. Today, I finally ended it. And still it's my fault according to him. But he said he cares for me. More confusion on my part. I think they don't see the efforts we put in the relationship. All they see is themselves and how hurt they are. They only focus on their feelings. But guess what, we have feelings too and we get hurt by their actions. They should man up if they want love and care from us.
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Posted by Shaun1994Posted by Arielle83As a Cancer male, I must ask, are you a troll?
All you need to know is it takes cancer forever to fall in love.
You're all confusing the infatuation early state with love.
Infatuation is lust and excitement, it isn't love. Women want it to be love because romance is a construct to seduce women.
For men infatuation is admiration and desire. It isn't love. This is why you need to hold your reins and not fall into it.click to expand

Posted by MondayMorning
I don't know about "his needs" because he is a bad communicator.
But if his genuine need in the relationship is to come and go emotionally as he pleases with no care for how this affects his partner then I am not sure this is a healthy need. Relationships are about building a bond and growing intimacy and trust and it is impossible to do that if you do not know if a person is going to be there or not.
If I sent him a text right now, he'd be happy to hear from me and would reply right away with something cute, asking me bout my day or whatever. He always wants to speak to me - but emotionally...he creates this distance. We get soooo close and then he pushes back over and over and over and it has exhausted me.
When he is in the mood, I get pages and pages of texts - sometimes 4 - 5 calls a day of an hour each while he tells me about our future, how excited he is to see me, how beautiful I am and it is almost as if the time apart / away from me has rejuvenated him - all the while it has been hurting me.
If I tell him he has hurt me, he gets hurt. He hates hearing that. so what do I do? Shut up about my feelings?
I want a boyfriend who talks to me every day. I want consistency. I want a relationship based on mutual vulnerability - not one person being so scared of that that they sabotage.
I think today I just woke up and felt like I needed to end the relationship with him. I love him, and I am toleratant- but I need to know he is going to consistently be around. I can't be questioning like this all the time while he goes off on his angsty little journey


Posted by Arielle83Posted by boxcarmirntaYet her entire post reflects her not understanding him and her only focusing on her feelings and how hurt she is and how he needs to change for her.Posted by mattsmumThis.
I have the same experience as you. 3 1/2 years of pulling away, coming back like nothing has happened. Surprised to say you're hurt, confused, rejected and uncared for by his actions, would pull away if you tell him this. It's been constant and I tell myself I've been patient long enough, Feel unloved long enough. Now I am resentful. I used to be loving, attentive, giving, patient with this guy now I feel nothing but hurt, resentment and confusion . I wish he'd change, grow up, be mature and communicate properly. But seems like all Cancer men are like that after reading all the thread here. It's like we are all dating one Cancer guy based on our experiences. Today, I finally ended it. And still it's my fault according to him. But he said he cares for me. More confusion on my part. I think they don't see the efforts we put in the relationship. All they see is themselves and how hurt they are. They only focus on their feelings. But guess what, we have feelings too and we get hurt by their actions. They should man up if they want love and care from us.
Good luck to me and my single life.
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Posted by MondayMorningTalk is cheap. It's actions that matter. You don't like the inconsistent way he's behaving. Nobody wants that in a relationship... You're supposed to be able to trust and depend on the person you love. This isnt his show.. It's both of yours... He sounds like a coward. If he means what he says he'll act like it.
@kissmygrits Yeah...I guess that is the right way. It was strange because I think I got manipulated. The first 1 - 2 months I told him from day one what I like and find attractive. He did all of it. No flakey. Total opposite of flaky. In fact I remember he was in a car accident and first thing he did was to call me and say "wanted to tell you I can;t text you the next few hours and not to feel rejected".
Then we got close, and the push / pull /test / insecurity game came out and it coincided with him going through a tough time in life in general, (problems with his kids /. work / life / father had cancer ) and I allowed a lot of "space" and "leeway" because i thought we were in a new relationship and he was "going through a lot" - but you know, I have been there for him, rock solid been there for him and I amn considerate ALL THE TIME about how he feels,
And you know...I sit there getting these crazy long love letters and essays to how perfect I am and it occurs to me that while this stuff is all cute, and I DO know he genuinely feels that way, I also want a man who is HERE. You know? Not an academic fantasy love affair with some guy worshipping me from a distance, but someone who is here with me - day by day, reliable, me feeling ALWAYS like a priority as he is ALWAYS one to me,
It;s like he lives in a different world. Once time he did not call me for 10 days and when I assumed we had broken up and he was ghosting me he was totally shocked. He thought it had been 2 days and he liked me more than ever.
We are so intimate, we have talked for hundreds and hundreds of hours - he knows being cast aside / ignored causes me pain and he does it anyway. i know he is suffering in particular because his father is dying but this is the time we should be TOGETHER.
I think I am going to break up with him, and the whole thing makes me sad. He is kind of a dummy but I guess it is easier for him to play the role of the person who lost the girl he loves and feels so sorry for himself than playing the role of the actual boyfriend who shows up emotionally and lets himself be vulnerable.





Posted by Arielle83We Cancers must be willing to be vulnerable if we are to grow. More than that, we must be willing to be vulnerable in love. I would rather to have love and lost than to never have loves at all.Posted by Shaun1994No. I'm a cancer female.Posted by Arielle83As a Cancer male, I must ask, are you a troll?
All you need to know is it takes cancer forever to fall in love.
You're all confusing the infatuation early state with love.
Infatuation is lust and excitement, it isn't love. Women want it to be love because romance is a construct to seduce women.
For men infatuation is admiration and desire. It isn't love. This is why you need to hold your reins and not fall into it.
Infatuation does not equal love.
To actually believe lust and all the attention in the beginning equals love is immature thinking.
You need trust and experiences to develop love.
Love takes time.
Backing up after the initial infatuation stage is normal.
"Did I rush it?"
"I made myself vulnerable, now they expect me to be consistent."
Do you not back off after you let it all out?
For fear of being vulnerable?
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Posted by boxcarmirntaYou know just as much about Cancers as you do experts.Posted by Shaun1994Posted by boxcarmirntaI love how everyone is an expert.Posted by mattsmumThis.
I have the same experience as you. 3 1/2 years of pulling away, coming back like nothing has happened. Surprised to say you're hurt, confused, rejected and uncared for by his actions, would pull away if you tell him this. It's been constant and I tell myself I've been patient long enough, Feel unloved long enough. Now I am resentful. I used to be loving, attentive, giving, patient with this guy now I feel nothing but hurt, resentment and confusion . I wish he'd change, grow up, be mature and communicate properly. But seems like all Cancer men are like that after reading all the thread here. It's like we are all dating one Cancer guy based on our experiences. Today, I finally ended it. And still it's my fault according to him. But he said he cares for me. More confusion on my part. I think they don't see the efforts we put in the relationship. All they see is themselves and how hurt they are. They only focus on their feelings. But guess what, we have feelings too and we get hurt by their actions. They should man up if they want love and care from us.
Good luck to me and my single life.
And why wouldn't we be? When you have experience... You become....... An expert! Duh.
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Posted by kissmygritsA Cancer.Posted by Shaun1994Posted by Arielle83As a Cancer male, I must ask, are you a troll?
All you need to know is it takes cancer forever to fall in love.
You're all confusing the infatuation early state with love.
Infatuation is lust and excitement, it isn't love. Women want it to be love because romance is a construct to seduce women.
For men infatuation is admiration and desire. It isn't love. This is why you need to hold your reins and not fall into it.
No she's a cancer whose dropping knowledge on these poor clueless souls. I look back to see if you gave any good advice.
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Posted by Shaun1994Posted by boxcarmirntaYou know just as much about Cancers as you do experts.Posted by Shaun1994Posted by boxcarmirntaI love how everyone is an expert.Posted by mattsmumThis.
I have the same experience as you. 3 1/2 years of pulling away, coming back like nothing has happened. Surprised to say you're hurt, confused, rejected and uncared for by his actions, would pull away if you tell him this. It's been constant and I tell myself I've been patient long enough, Feel unloved long enough. Now I am resentful. I used to be loving, attentive, giving, patient with this guy now I feel nothing but hurt, resentment and confusion . I wish he'd change, grow up, be mature and communicate properly. But seems like all Cancer men are like that after reading all the thread here. It's like we are all dating one Cancer guy based on our experiences. Today, I finally ended it. And still it's my fault according to him. But he said he cares for me. More confusion on my part. I think they don't see the efforts we put in the relationship. All they see is themselves and how hurt they are. They only focus on their feelings. But guess what, we have feelings too and we get hurt by their actions. They should man up if they want love and care from us.
Good luck to me and my single life.
And why wouldn't we be? When you have experience... You become....... An expert! Duh.
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Posted by boxcarmirntaSay the last sentence to yourself in the mirror 😉Posted by Shaun1994Posted by boxcarmirntaYou know just as much about Cancers as you do experts.Posted by Shaun1994Posted by boxcarmirntaI love how everyone is an expert.Posted by mattsmumThis.
I have the same experience as you. 3 1/2 years of pulling away, coming back like nothing has happened. Surprised to say you're hurt, confused, rejected and uncared for by his actions, would pull away if you tell him this. It's been constant and I tell myself I've been patient long enough, Feel unloved long enough. Now I am resentful. I used to be loving, attentive, giving, patient with this guy now I feel nothing but hurt, resentment and confusion . I wish he'd change, grow up, be mature and communicate properly. But seems like all Cancer men are like that after reading all the thread here. It's like we are all dating one Cancer guy based on our experiences. Today, I finally ended it. And still it's my fault according to him. But he said he cares for me. More confusion on my part. I think they don't see the efforts we put in the relationship. All they see is themselves and how hurt they are. They only focus on their feelings. But guess what, we have feelings too and we get hurt by their actions. They should man up if they want love and care from us.
Good luck to me and my single life.
And why wouldn't we be? When you have experience... You become....... An expert! Duh.
Do you know what the word etymology means? Look it up, then maybe you'll get my point there guy. Also chill out... Stop assuming what you don't know....click to expand

Posted by Shaun1994Posted by boxcarmirntaSay the last sentence to yourself in the mirror 😉Posted by Shaun1994Posted by boxcarmirntaYou know just as much about Cancers as you do experts.Posted by Shaun1994Posted by boxcarmirntaI love how everyone is an expert.Posted by mattsmumThis.
I have the same experience as you. 3 1/2 years of pulling away, coming back like nothing has happened. Surprised to say you're hurt, confused, rejected and uncared for by his actions, would pull away if you tell him this. It's been constant and I tell myself I've been patient long enough, Feel unloved long enough. Now I am resentful. I used to be loving, attentive, giving, patient with this guy now I feel nothing but hurt, resentment and confusion . I wish he'd change, grow up, be mature and communicate properly. But seems like all Cancer men are like that after reading all the thread here. It's like we are all dating one Cancer guy based on our experiences. Today, I finally ended it. And still it's my fault according to him. But he said he cares for me. More confusion on my part. I think they don't see the efforts we put in the relationship. All they see is themselves and how hurt they are. They only focus on their feelings. But guess what, we have feelings too and we get hurt by their actions. They should man up if they want love and care from us.
Good luck to me and my single life.
And why wouldn't we be? When you have experience... You become....... An expert! Duh.
Do you know what the word etymology means? Look it up, then maybe you'll get my point there guy. Also chill out... Stop assuming what you don't know....click to expand

Posted by boxcarmirntaThe time passed before you thought you were being eloquent.Posted by Shaun1994Posted by boxcarmirntaSay the last sentence to yourself in the mirror 😉Posted by Shaun1994Posted by boxcarmirntaYou know just as much about Cancers as you do experts.Posted by Shaun1994Posted by boxcarmirntaI love how everyone is an expert.Posted by mattsmumThis.
I have the same experience as you. 3 1/2 years of pulling away, coming back like nothing has happened. Surprised to say you're hurt, confused, rejected and uncared for by his actions, would pull away if you tell him this. It's been constant and I tell myself I've been patient long enough, Feel unloved long enough. Now I am resentful. I used to be loving, attentive, giving, patient with this guy now I feel nothing but hurt, resentment and confusion . I wish he'd change, grow up, be mature and communicate properly. But seems like all Cancer men are like that after reading all the thread here. It's like we are all dating one Cancer guy based on our experiences. Today, I finally ended it. And still it's my fault according to him. But he said he cares for me. More confusion on my part. I think they don't see the efforts we put in the relationship. All they see is themselves and how hurt they are. They only focus on their feelings. But guess what, we have feelings too and we get hurt by their actions. They should man up if they want love and care from us.
Good luck to me and my single life.
And why wouldn't we be? When you have experience... You become....... An expert! Duh.
Do you know what the word etymology means? Look it up, then maybe you'll get my point there guy. Also chill out... Stop assuming what you don't know....
Well I was trying to be eloquent but that time has passed. Fuck off troll.
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Posted by Arielle83My dear, I just went/am going through it. And I know that is how deeply I fall in love. The pain I feel is a testament to how much I care. And damnit, I'll care this much over and over again. Because if I don't, I don't only block out a certain measure of pain, but an equal measure of joy as well.Posted by Shaun1994Maybe you can enlighten us on what it's like to be infatuated with someone you can't have?Posted by kissmygritsA Cancer.Posted by Shaun1994Posted by Arielle83As a Cancer male, I must ask, are you a troll?
All you need to know is it takes cancer forever to fall in love.
You're all confusing the infatuation early state with love.
Infatuation is lust and excitement, it isn't love. Women want it to be love because romance is a construct to seduce women.
For men infatuation is admiration and desire. It isn't love. This is why you need to hold your reins and not fall into it.
No she's a cancer whose dropping knowledge on these poor clueless souls. I look back to see if you gave any good advice.
-A- singular Cancer who is attempting to speak for us all
She is doing a poor job. Everyone is different. Everyone is on different stages of their journeys.
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Posted by Shaun1994Posted by kissmygritsA Cancer.Posted by Shaun1994Posted by Arielle83As a Cancer male, I must ask, are you a troll?
All you need to know is it takes cancer forever to fall in love.
You're all confusing the infatuation early state with love.
Infatuation is lust and excitement, it isn't love. Women want it to be love because romance is a construct to seduce women.
For men infatuation is admiration and desire. It isn't love. This is why you need to hold your reins and not fall into it.
No she's a cancer whose dropping knowledge on these poor clueless souls. I look back to see if you gave any good advice.
-A- singular Cancer who is attempting to speak for us all
She is doing a poor job. Everyone is different. Everyone is on different stages of their journeys.click to expand

Posted by MondayMorningIn the end, there are no right answers to your situation.
Yeah, I agree that if you try and block out pain you also block out joy.
I think this is why the whole thing makes me sad.
yo have to love fearlessly I think. Otherwise you screw it up.

Posted by kissmygritsI'm quite chill. And any advice worth salt should still apply after its faced of my scrutiny.Posted by Shaun1994Posted by kissmygritsA Cancer.Posted by Shaun1994Posted by Arielle83As a Cancer male, I must ask, are you a troll?
All you need to know is it takes cancer forever to fall in love.
You're all confusing the infatuation early state with love.
Infatuation is lust and excitement, it isn't love. Women want it to be love because romance is a construct to seduce women.
For men infatuation is admiration and desire. It isn't love. This is why you need to hold your reins and not fall into it.
No she's a cancer whose dropping knowledge on these poor clueless souls. I look back to see if you gave any good advice.
-A- singular Cancer who is attempting to speak for us all
She is doing a poor job. Everyone is different. Everyone is on different stages of their journeys.
And what are you doing? Exactly. It's all advice not gospel. Chill.
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My Cancer man is pretty wonderful. Kind, sensitive, so funny, smart beyond belief but also...CRABBY!
So at first, we just clicked and the messages and calls were all day every day, he could not get enough of me and I felt "wow" about how charming and confident he was. He told me he really liked me, saw me as being potentially the woman he wanted to be with for life, and I felt the same.
Then all of sudden he changed. He started creating space / push and pull / disappearing for days and then coming back like nothing was up and being surprised that I was not happy. Being very jealous, possessive, negative, insecure and not speaking to me for weeks if I did the slightest thing to challenge him. Literally almost like he was trying deliberately to kill the relationship.
So...I moved on. I assumed he was a jerk and had fooled me and went and got on with my life.
A month later he calls me up and he tells me he is really sorry, that he was scared, that the fact that he liked me so much scared him and that he pushed me away because he thought I would leave him or hurt him and that despite trying to forget me he has not been able to do that and that he thinks maybe I am the one girl he can't live without.
So we sort things out and it's all great for two weeks. Then more of the distant behavior. And this cycle repeats kinda constantly for the past 4 months where he seems to get really close to me and then take a few days away and he can often completely ignore me.
Now I know he likes me, because the stuff he does for me is so sweet and loving and he considers me in his major life decisions and shows in so many ways how he feels - yet he keeps me at a distance also too and we are not quite a "couple" yet.
I have tried to be patient, as much as I can, but each time he ignores I feel not wanted / rejected /hurt /confused and have told him this but he continues to do it. In general terms it is getting better but on a daily basis there is no consistency in terms of whether he will be speaking to me or not.
I have asked him if this is what I can expect from a "full relationship" with him, and he says no, he says once he is in he is in but that he just does not leap in and he is cautious and afraid i will leave him.
Can anyone advise if my waiting might pay off?
Can anyone advise if there is anything that I can do to stop him from pushing me away like this?
I feel like he is in danger of losing me, and I know for a fact that if he does we will both be very sad, but he keeps doing this.